Yes, good point (and I have such an example in one of my local researches - a severely battered wife (husband sentenced to one year imprisonment) who had then lost a son and son-in-law in the Senghenydd 1914 disaster - then (also in 1914) died horribly from drinking carbolic acid.  There was a compassionate verdict - accidental death, coroner stated she had clearly confused the carbolic acid bottle for her cough mixture - so she lies with her son in Penyrheol graveyard.)   For those too young to know, in those days poison bottles were heavily ribbed (and coloured usually blue), so in day time or in the dark you knew what you had taken hold of was likely to be poisonous. But in this present case, suicide is not one of the options, although I did consider this point as well. Many thanks as well for the  other information. Jen ________________________________ From: Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014, 21:48 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Possibly Dodgy Death Registration Also, suicide was a criminal offence until 1961.  Obviously, you could only prosecute where there was a failed suicide attempt but they stigma was there - it was seen as self-murder.  The deceased was denied a Christian burial.  Also, families of those who commited a suicide act could be potentially be prosecuted and the belongings stripped for the Crown. Alison On 22 March 2014 21:31, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > My evil mind says suicide due to great pain, which everyone went along > with to spare the family anymore pain. That sort of polite fiction was > very common back in the less official day. > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. >    (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Dear List > > > > Date of the following incident was 1927 - Cardiganshire > > > > > > Can anyone direct me to a reliable source for medical/forensic history? >  Have recently have been led to a death where the family story is that > ggrandfather was shot by drunken shooting guest of the local mansion and > died a week later. > > > > > > However, death certificate gives the cause of death as kidney stones and > renal colic, but curiously also states "no post-mortem". The deceased was > aged 42, and it wasn't a doctor from the local town who certified the > death, but another from a town a few more miles further away. > > > > > > Newspaper reports say the man (gamekeeper) died a painful death. > > > > > > Unless very unlucky most people have two working kidneys, and it is most > unusual for death to be from kidney stones (and yes I am also aware that > this condition is one of the most painful things to have to endure) - also > the man was reasonably young. So lack of pm seems odd. > > > > > > Could the powerful people in the mansion cover up such an event. The > family also tell me that the mansion owners were very very generous to them > after the death. > > > > > > The other possibility (and have a case of this in my family) the family > invented a tall story to cover the unpleasant physical details of this > death.  In my family I was told my grandfather died in a mining accident - > but the death cert states he died of throat cancer. > > > > > > Any ideas, or any names of any useful reference books would be > appreciated. > > > > Jen > > > > > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message