Rhodri's comment about DNA gives me a chance to say something. I will be at the Glamorgan Family History Show being held at the Sports Centre, Merthyr Tydfil, on 11th October. I will be speaking on Wales, DNA and Surnames. Likewise a week later, around the 18th October, there is a meeting of which a sub-section is called GGI - Genetic Genealogy Ireland. This is the second year it will run. So I will be catching the ferry from either Pembroke Dock or Fishguard to Rosslare and going to that at Dublin. My colleague Maurice Gleeson is organising that. There are appreciable overlaps between West Wales and Ireland back through history. For both Events we will be swabbing folk this year, and in some selected surnames maybe for free. I am in the middle of trying to negotiate a small discount for folk who turn up on the day at Merthyr and get the free surname tests organised, but I will already guarantee Phillips and its variations. I am not against doing something similar locally down in Pembrokeshire / Carmarthenshire, between the 11th and 17th October, but it will have to be a weekday evening and someone will have to sort a local venue. This will take some of the hassle out of doing the paperwork. If anyone wants to help take that on, please contact me off-list. This year at WDYTYA 2014 we got through 460 DNA Kits over three days. We actually ran out of DNA Kits by 3.30 pm on the last day, Saturday. If you work through what that all means in terms of conversations with folk about what they want to achieve, as always talking about their particular family history stories, etc., etc. this is a huge, huge amount of work and very significantly supported by 10 Americans who now fly regularly at their own expense to make this happen. Can you ever imagine this happening in reverse? Us flying to America at our own expense to help supporting DNA testing in America. Many of the DNA presentations (but not all) were recorded this year, including mine, and can be watched on YouTube at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7HQSiSkiy7ujlkgQER1FYw The Wales, DNA and Surnames presentation was interrupted towards the end by loud announcements over the public address system at Olympia about closing the Show. Next year, I want my time slot rearranged by Maurice! This will become an essential, integral part of family history, slowly but surely. Partial DNA sequencing of the Y-chromosome has now arrived and that will slowly change everything again, as the real experts reckon you will see a single base change on your Y-DNA about every 2-3 generations. So you really will be able to link up male lines unambiguously before the parish registers begin. It is amazing in the past few years how many experienced family historians have begun to say that they wished they had listened more attentively in the earlier days of DNA. I know I will be winning if John and Sheila Rowlands commit, as there is not one mention of DNA in their new Surnames of Wales book. However I know they are closet DNA folk really, as they study the surname Canton in Pembrokeshire by combining DNA and documentation. This surname probably comes from de Cantington, and like Picton one of those Anglo-Norman interloping surnames. So make a date and I hope to see a few of you. Please come and make yourselves known. I hope to have a couple of folk to help me this year. You will manage one-stop shopping DNA testing and avoid any hassle. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RHODRI DAFIS Sent: 07 April 2014 14:03 To: ANNE EVANS; DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Glynhir Mansion Llandybie Yvonne I doubt personally whether the surname Peregrine, has any connection to the Walloons and Hugenots, who fled to England in the late 1600's. Peregrine as a Christian Name was in use in the UK from at least 1600, and my belief is that it most likely became a surname due to Patronymics. I suspect that it was you that posted the following on http://www.eglwyswrwheritage.org.uk/ I believe that I am related to the Peregrines of Meline and Eglwyswrw, Pembrokeshire. However this cannot entirely be proven as my Peregrine branch were living in Llanycefn and Llandysilio Pembs from about 1780's. In 1839 at Narberth Registry office, Mary Peregrine of Llanycefn married Daniel Peregrine of Eglwyswrw. My g.g.grandmother Lettice Peregrine was Mary's sister. I have heard Pergrines came to Eglwyswrw and other areas of Pembrokeshire around 1600 and that they were from the Netherlands, they came to escape religious persecution either from the French King or the Spanish who had conquered the Netherlands. They were either French Huguenots or Belgian Walloons. Both of these groups were Protestants. Devonalds and the Marsdens of Eglwyswrw were also from France/Belgium and arrived in this country around 1600. It is believed these continental people came to Eglwyswrw through the port of Cardigan, and that they were mainly weavers. The Devonalds can be traced back in Pembrokeshire to around 1400. The Marsdens first appear in the mid 1750's with William Marsden the Captain of the Lead Mine at Llanfyrnach. A Group of Derbyshire Miners took a lease on the Mines, but as he had married locally. He staid on. His origins undoubtedly is in Derbyshire, as his children had names that regularly appear in the Derbyshire Marsdens Family. Robert and Gordon for example. Having disposed of Devonald and Marsden, we all left with Peregrine. The first instance I am aware of in Dyfed, is Peregrine Musgrave the son of Ernastus Musgrave of Llanina, who arrived in Wales during the Civil War. The Son Peregrine Musgrave was a prominent Quaker, and became a Mercer in Haverfordwest. His name appears as a Creditor in North Pembrokeshire Wills from Parishes around Eglwyswrw. A daughter I believe married Evan Bowen of Haverfordwest, who originated from Glanduad, Meline the next Parish to Eglwyswrw. He was also a Quaker and a Mercer. One of his sons was Peregrine Bowen a Tobacconist in Bristol. Having established that Peregrine as a Christian name would have been known in the Eglwyswrw area before 1700, and may well out of respect or family connections, have given to a male child, Patronymics would soon make it a surname. There is simple way of confirming the origin of the Peregrines in your family. A DNA Test. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Apr 07 2014, 10:34 AM From: "ANNE EVANS" To: "DYFED@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Glynhir Mansion Llandybie Hello List Has anyone any info on Glynhir Llandybie history? I have read on internet that it was bought by a Peter Du Boisson a Hugenot refugee in approx 1685. Also he commenced a knife works nearby and French immigrants came there to work. This also would be approx 1685 - 1700. Being that I am still mystified by one branch of my tree's origins I have commenced to research rather wide ranging historical facts. The tree is "Peregrine" surname and I have found that many lived in Llandybie area. I found Peregrines in the censuses for that area. This is a far shot but I am wondering if these Peregrines came over because of Peter du Boisson at Glynhir. My Peregrines were in Pembrokeshire(Eglwyswrw Llanycefn Llandissilio) They were in these places around 1780's. I am wondering if these people came west from Llandybie to find other work. I just cannot account for this surname in isolated rural areas. The family story is that they came from the continent. many thanks Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message