Dear Annie   Agree with you about the way non-approved voters were treated by the landed dictators and their boot lickers.  The same happened in my neighbourhood where there is a memorial stone in the church to the memory of one of the members of the Derry Ormond family.,..   "This church was entirely rebuilt to his memory by his two sons  ......  and the stone for building the same was hauled by his tenants from the quarry in Llanddewi Brefi as a mark of love and respect for their kind friend and landlord."   People that feel they have to put something along these lines up on the church walls should probably be regarded with deep suspicion.   [Incidentally the dates of this stone fit with the Swagman...there's a coincidence!]   Best wishes   Jen       --- On Mon, 26/10/09, cardi2@aol.com <cardi2@aol.com> wrote: From: cardi2@aol.com <cardi2@aol.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Re the swagman To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:27 AM Dear Anne: No, I am not related to Joseph Jenkins thru his sister who married the Lloyd.  I'm related thru his mother and her line. You can talk about all the circumstances surrounding Joseph's need for money, etc. for his reason for selling out the other farmers. The fact is, he sold them out.   But that does not help the fact that my great grandfather had a good farm in Tregaron.  Because he voted the way he felt, he was evicted from his land.  He and his wife and children had to leave the area where they were from and move 50 miles away, where family still lives to this day.  I'm also wondering why Joseph Jenkins had so many children?  If he didn't love his wife - well, you know, it takes two to tango.  He's as responsible as she was.  The problem is she wanted him to stay home and help with the farm and he didn't want to do that.  It's as simple as that. Annie     Attached Message                         From:             Anne Thomas <gwyn@morcoms.co.uk>                             To:             Dyfed DYFED <Dyfed@rootsweb.com>                             Subject:             [Dyfed]  Ceredigion: Joseph Jenkins, Blaenplwyf Ystrad,1847 rat catcher                             Date:             Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:20:08 +0000             Did you notice that there was a visitor, Evan JONES, at Blaenplwyf on Census 1851 and he was a ratcatcher!    There must have been a serious outbreak. Annie, was your connection through Joseph's sister Jane who married Daniel LLOYD of Pant Farm, Garth & Ystrad?   I assume they married in Q4 1847 Lampeter. Your explanation of why Joseph left for Australia seems to fit as the author said that "they could only surmise that the marriage was not a happy one", so the family hadn't mentioned it.  Farmers were not doing well around that time and he may have given in under pressure from the landowners in order to save his own family and farm.  He was an intelligent man who had strong views about Aborigine rights etc, and he would have been very ashamed of his actions. Anne On 24/10/2009, at 3:38, Jennifer Cairns wrote: > Thank you for the rat catching episode...   fascinating...  how  > horrible !     Attached Message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com