Dear David, I don't think you could have picked a harder surname that Davies. O.K. You think John and Jane Davies, with a son David born c. 1822 might be the possible parents. At which property were they living in 1841 census? Let's look at "Dole Llanarth" , Clydey......Land tax sheets say a Mrs. DAVIES (something illegible after her name ....could be "and others") is living there in 1831......In 1820 (I don't have the in-between sheets) a William DAVIES is the tenant there. There is no sign of William Davies being buried in the churchyard between 1820 and 1831 .....he may be farming elsewhere and may have left his wife, or mother, in charge of this property...or what I take as Mrs. might be Mr. The owners of Dolau Llannerch are shown in the Pemb. Historic Houses book, but no names for any tenants. The burial index 1813-37...printed sheet (obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office) 1832 Thomas the infant son of John and Jane DAVID, Dole, buried 7th. April aged 3. 1832 William the infant son of William and Sarah DAVID, Dole, buried aged 9 weeks 1836 John DAVIES died Dole Llannerch buried 8th. Apl. aged 1. There were other David Davies from Clydey: A DAVID DAVIES of Cwmcncira buried 20th. Sept. 1817 aged 21 A DAVID DAVIES (?) Labourer buried 1828 aged 30. I could not find a marriage for John and Jane Davies or John and Jane David at Clydey ..(looked from 1813 to about 1824). There are many other David and Davies names in the records. Bettye Kirkwood.....from sunny Sydney. Today 25 deg.C. by the sea, 35 deg.C. in the western suburbs. ----- Original Message ----- a From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > Hello Bettye, James and the DYFED list from David Gilroy in St.Albans , > Herts. > > First what a marvellous list this is and thanks for showing an interest in > my DAVIES and LEWIS families of Clydey and Penrydd respectively . > > Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the Land > Tax records - how do you do it ? > > You have brought good news ! > > Definitely , Rachel LEWIS at Ddolpwll in 1837 is mine .In the 1841 Census > Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS are there with my Phoebe LEWIS and her daughter > (By David Davies )Charlote DAVIES age 2 yrs . > My theory so far is that Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS died there certainly by > 1851. > My David Davies probably moved in with Phoebe Lewis at Ddolpwll ,because > there is a birth registration I have for a Rachel DAVIES there 6 February > 1845.There may also be another child Esther later . > > However by 1849 this lot had left Ddolpwll and Hannah DAVIES birth > registration of David and Phoebe appears at Penratt Doleu ,Clydey . > > By 1851 ,they had moved to Merthyr Tydfil - David Davies had turned from > farmer to coal miner ! > > Opinion please ,folks .The only David Davies ,born about 1822 in Clydey > who was the right age , right area ,right time appears to be in the 1841 > Census with parents John DAVIES and Jane -farmer . > > Could the "earlier" David Davies tenant in 1814 be a relative maybe father > or brother of John Davies? > > My Phoebe Lewis was born in St.Clears in about 1816 and there is an igi > entry there -parents Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS so that stacks up ! > > I really appreciate the information some of it a bit too early at the > moment .At the risk of outstaying the excellent welcome I have had ,if > anyone can consolidate any of this with church register information - I > will be very grateful . > > I am currently joining the Dyfed FHS and am planning a visit to NLOW next > summer with field visits to you know where! > > Who knows what we will find in the new online Wills at NLOW ? > > I have been in family history for 26 years and belong to six FHS's already > .This list is excellent - you and Rootsweb can be very proud of it .I take > my scrum cap off to you all ! > > Look forward to more discussion. > > Best wishes , > > David Gilroy in a cold miserable St.Albans . > > 20 October 2009. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > To: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > > >> Dear James and David, >> >> Don't know if it will help, but I have had a look at the random Clydey >> Land Tax sheets I have. >> >> From 1786 (when they started) Hendrewilym is mainly tenanted by Samuel >> Hughes and presumably his son John Hughes >> from 1796. A little later a couple of others join John Hughes as >> tenants. >> From c. 1814 David Davies..(he could be there earlier as I have 1801, >> then 1814) was the tenant at the next door property Star right up to >> about 1820 when he was one of the additional tenants at Hendrewilym, >> though still working away at Star. >> >> The 1831 Land Tax is most difficult to read...(my copy, anyway).and for >> Hendrewilym there are a couple of names, but none look, to me, like >> Davies, neither is he next door at Star........it is then tenanted by >> David James but right next door to David James the farm is being worked >> by a Wm. Lewis. There is a David Davies c. fifteen entries away tenanting >> a place I can't read....appears to begin with a D...it may be Dycoed as >> the last few letters appear to be awr ( for fawr?) whilst the next listed >> property is Dycoed Issa. >> >> Phoebe Lewis of Penrith may have been visiting her farming father or >> brother or another relative at Clydey..they are adjoining areas. In the >> Historic Pemb. Houses book Dolpwll Penrith was said to be, in 1837 owned >> by Thomas Brightwell Esq. with Rachel Lewis as tenant. >> >> Of course, there could be father and son David Davies....or from a couple >> of families at Clydey. >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >> >> >>> David, I was interested to read about a David DAVIES from Clydey, >>> thinking >>> maybe there's a link with my ancestor David Davies of Manordeifi who was >>> married to the sister of Thomas Lewis of Llwyngravis, Cards. Lewis >>> bought >>> Clynfyw there in 1753 from Owen Davies, grandson of David Llewelyn of >>> Pennalty Cych, Clydey. My David's father was John David Llewelin who >>> died >>> in Manordeifi in 1724. I believe he was related to David Llewelyn of >>> Penallt Cych. Perhaps your David is descended from this David Llewelyn. >>> >>> My line had a Philip Davies who died in 1851 in Carmarthen and who had a >>> son >>> named Thomas Zephaniah Davies (1818-1896). If you run across them or a >>> Zephaniah Davies, we might be researching the same family. If so, I'd >>> very >>> much like to compare notes. >>> >>> James Lloyd >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:51 +0100 >>> From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >>> Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in Clydey >>> . >>> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <47B7CDC7F76F4EC58F20CDC5AFD30016@oemcomputer> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of >>> this Dyfed List . >>> >>> Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next >>> door parish of Clydey . >>> >>> I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS >>> and >>> DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's >>> >>> In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? >>> Clydey with his family . >>> >>> By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at >>> Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). >>> >>> What is the distance between these two places ? >>> >>> What detailed map would anyone recommend ? >>> >>> I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help >>> with >>> CMB of these two places from >>> >>> say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . >>> >>> Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of >>> Merthyr >>> TYdfil in 1861 ! >>> >>> David Gilroy . >>> >>> 15 October 2009. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > >

Hello Bettye , Thanks for taking up the challenge . In the 1841 Census ,John and Jane DAVIES were at Hendrewylym,Clydey with a brood of kids In the 1851 Census ,they were at Penfoider , Clydey . In the 1861 Census they were at Clfynnordoy?,Clydey. I may be lucky in the 1841 Census .There is hopefully a daughter Esther age one year -so could be registered under civil reg . It could give Jane's surname . All the church info greatly appreciated - I will get my hands on some indexes soon . I am now enrolled as Dyfed FHS member No 4698. Cheers - hope you turn up more. Best wishes, David Gilroy . 21 October 2009. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com>; "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > Dear David, > > I don't think you could have picked a harder surname that Davies. > > O.K. You think John and Jane Davies, with a son David born c. 1822 > might be the possible parents. > At which property were they living in 1841 census? > > Let's look at "Dole Llanarth" , Clydey......Land tax sheets say a > Mrs. DAVIES (something illegible after her name ....could be "and > others") > is living there in 1831......In 1820 (I don't have the in-between > sheets) a William DAVIES is the tenant there. > > There is no sign of William Davies being buried in the churchyard > between 1820 and 1831 .....he may be farming elsewhere and may have > left his wife, or mother, in charge of this property...or what I > take as Mrs. might be Mr. > The owners of Dolau Llannerch are shown in the Pemb. Historic Houses > book, but no names for any tenants. > > The burial index 1813-37...printed sheet (obtained from > Haverfordwest Records Office) > 1832 Thomas the infant son of John and Jane DAVID, Dole, buried > 7th. April aged 3. > 1832 William the infant son of William and Sarah DAVID, Dole, buried > aged 9 weeks > 1836 John DAVIES died Dole Llannerch buried 8th. Apl. aged 1. > > There were other David Davies from Clydey: > A DAVID DAVIES of Cwmcncira buried 20th. Sept. 1817 aged 21 > A DAVID DAVIES (?) Labourer buried 1828 aged 30. > > I could not find a marriage for John and Jane Davies or John and > Jane David at Clydey ..(looked from 1813 to about 1824). > There are many other David and Davies names in the records. > > Bettye Kirkwood.....from sunny Sydney. Today 25 deg.C. by the sea, > 35 deg.C. in the western suburbs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > a > From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "James Lloyd" > <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > > >> Hello Bettye, James and the DYFED list from David Gilroy in >> St.Albans , Herts. >> >> First what a marvellous list this is and thanks for showing an >> interest in my DAVIES and LEWIS families of Clydey and Penrydd >> respectively . >> >> Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the >> Land Tax records - how do you do it ? >> >> You have brought good news ! >> >> Definitely , Rachel LEWIS at Ddolpwll in 1837 is mine .In the 1841 >> Census Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS are there with my Phoebe LEWIS and >> her daughter (By David Davies )Charlote DAVIES age 2 yrs . >> My theory so far is that Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS died there >> certainly by 1851. >> My David Davies probably moved in with Phoebe Lewis at Ddolpwll >> ,because there is a birth registration I have for a Rachel DAVIES >> there 6 February 1845.There may also be another child Esther later >> . >> >> However by 1849 this lot had left Ddolpwll and Hannah DAVIES birth >> registration of David and Phoebe appears at Penratt Doleu ,Clydey . >> >> By 1851 ,they had moved to Merthyr Tydfil - David Davies had turned >> from farmer to coal miner ! >> >> Opinion please ,folks .The only David Davies ,born about 1822 in >> Clydey who was the right age , right area ,right time appears to be >> in the 1841 Census with parents John DAVIES and Jane -farmer . >> >> Could the "earlier" David Davies tenant in 1814 be a relative maybe >> father or brother of John Davies? >> >> My Phoebe Lewis was born in St.Clears in about 1816 and there is an >> igi entry there -parents Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS so that stacks >> up ! >> >> I really appreciate the information some of it a bit too early at >> the moment .At the risk of outstaying the excellent welcome I have >> had ,if anyone can consolidate any of this with church register >> information - I will be very grateful . >> >> I am currently joining the Dyfed FHS and am planning a visit to >> NLOW next summer with field visits to you know where! >> >> Who knows what we will find in the new online Wills at NLOW ? >> >> I have been in family history for 26 years and belong to six FHS's >> already .This list is excellent - you and Rootsweb can be very >> proud of it .I take my scrum cap off to you all ! >> >> Look forward to more discussion. >> >> Best wishes , >> >> David Gilroy in a cold miserable St.Albans . >> >> 20 October 2009. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> >> To: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >> >> >>> Dear James and David, >>> >>> Don't know if it will help, but I have had a look at the random >>> Clydey Land Tax sheets I have. >>> >>> From 1786 (when they started) Hendrewilym is mainly tenanted by >>> Samuel Hughes and presumably his son John Hughes >>> from 1796. A little later a couple of others join John Hughes as >>> tenants. >>> From c. 1814 David Davies..(he could be there earlier as I have >>> 1801, then 1814) was the tenant at the next door property Star >>> right up to about 1820 when he was one of the additional tenants >>> at Hendrewilym, though still working away at Star. >>> >>> The 1831 Land Tax is most difficult to read...(my copy, >>> anyway).and for Hendrewilym there are a couple of names, but none >>> look, to me, like Davies, neither is he next door at >>> Star........it is then tenanted by David James but right next door >>> to David James the farm is being worked by a Wm. Lewis. There is a >>> David Davies c. fifteen entries away tenanting a place I can't >>> read....appears to begin with a D...it may be Dycoed as the last >>> few letters appear to be awr ( for fawr?) whilst the next listed >>> property is Dycoed Issa. >>> >>> Phoebe Lewis of Penrith may have been visiting her farming father >>> or brother or another relative at Clydey..they are adjoining >>> areas. In the Historic Pemb. Houses book Dolpwll Penrith was said >>> to be, in 1837 owned by Thomas Brightwell Esq. with Rachel Lewis >>> as tenant. >>> >>> Of course, there could be father and son David Davies....or from a >>> couple of families at Clydey. >>> >>> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com> >>> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >>> >>> >>>> David, I was interested to read about a David DAVIES from Clydey, >>>> thinking >>>> maybe there's a link with my ancestor David Davies of Manordeifi >>>> who was >>>> married to the sister of Thomas Lewis of Llwyngravis, Cards. >>>> Lewis bought >>>> Clynfyw there in 1753 from Owen Davies, grandson of David >>>> Llewelyn of >>>> Pennalty Cych, Clydey. My David's father was John David Llewelin >>>> who died >>>> in Manordeifi in 1724. I believe he was related to David >>>> Llewelyn of >>>> Penallt Cych. Perhaps your David is descended from this David >>>> Llewelyn. >>>> >>>> My line had a Philip Davies who died in 1851 in Carmarthen and >>>> who had a son >>>> named Thomas Zephaniah Davies (1818-1896). If you run across >>>> them or a >>>> Zephaniah Davies, we might be researching the same family. If >>>> so, I'd very >>>> much like to compare notes. >>>> >>>> James Lloyd >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:51 +0100 >>>> From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >>>> Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in >>>> Clydey >>>> . >>>> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <47B7CDC7F76F4EC58F20CDC5AFD30016@oemcomputer> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>>> >>>> Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new >>>> member of >>>> this Dyfed List . >>>> >>>> Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd >>>> and next >>>> door parish of Clydey . >>>> >>>> I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my >>>> LEWIS and >>>> DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's >>>> >>>> In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at >>>> Hendrewylyn ? >>>> Clydey with his family . >>>> >>>> By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS >>>> living at >>>> Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). >>>> >>>> What is the distance between these two places ? >>>> >>>> What detailed map would anyone recommend ? >>>> >>>> I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - >>>> any help with >>>> CMB of these two places from >>>> >>>> say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . >>>> >>>> Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out >>>> of Merthyr >>>> TYdfil in 1861 ! >>>> >>>> David Gilroy . >>>> >>>> 15 October 2009. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ================================ >>>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >> >> >