Hi Yvonne, I'm afraid I don't know anything more at all about MARGARET HOWELL. Penymynydd Farm is on the hill just above Dinas so would have been fairly close for Margaret to have met John Oliver but if the original register gives mother 'Mary' Margaret doesn't seem likely does she? On the other hand I wonder how many John Olivers there were living in that area at that time. Perhaps the vicar had a 'senior moment'! Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Cc: <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: Oliver and James marriages > Hi Sally, > The frustrating part about this is that I have seen the Dinas Parish > Records > for the birth of g.g. grandmother Mary Oliver in 1794 and the parents are > down as John and Mary Oliver. I wish it was Margaret! However I shall have > to go back into the Dinas records to check once again. Did John Oliver and > Margaret ever live at Dinas to your knowledge? > Thanks very much, > Yvonne >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:01:39 +0100 >> From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> >> Subject: [Dyfed] PEM - OLIVER & HOWELL marriage 1790 >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <A68EF86487E34B6CA7EE22477F30BF65@Littlemamgu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hello Yvonne and Bettye, >> >> I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL >> has >> a connection to my family. >> >> I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have it >> in >> front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL >> (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, >> MARGARET >> HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to >> [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, >> DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. >> >> Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first >> names >> look familiar? >> >> Sally