Dear Bettye, What a lot of info you have sent me, and very interesting too:0) I will read and digest what you have written and hopefully make some further connections. Re: The Baten/Batin/Battin/Batine middle name of John Baten James LLOYD, I have wondered before where such a name came from and you have given me some great information with possible leads to discover more. Thank you so much for your time and effort, it is very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Carol > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:55:00 +1000 > > Dear Carol, > > Glen has referred to the possible marriage in the IGI of John Thomas to > Sarah Summers recorded at Haverfordwest in 1860. > The census info. indicates that she was born c. 1840 and, of course, her > parents may have married after the cut-off point of 1837 for the Pemb. > marriage index and before 1840.. After 1837, of course, certificates are > available, so it may be possible to obtain Sarah's birth certificate. > > On 23/09/1834 a John Summers married Sarah Jenkins at St. Mary's > Haverfordwest........and your Sarah perhaps could be named after Sarah > Jenkins. It should be possible to trace Sarah Summers in the 1841 census as > a baby and the 1851 for more family information. > > There are several rather important Summers males in Pembrokeshire at this > time....some associated with Thornton House, Steynton, and it is recorded in > the Historic Pembrokeshire Homes & Their Families book compiled from the > work of the late Welsh Herald, Major Francis Jones, that a David BATEN > Yeoman lived at Thornton House in 1623. However, closer in time a Thomas > Batin, Labourer, married Mary Evan at St. Nicholas > 12/04/1819...there are also several other spellings such as Batine through > the years, which may relate to a different family. > > After David BATEN, the Andrew family lived at Thornton House, followed by > the Crymes...Mary BATIN married William Andrew in 1762 .and in 1832 Louisa > Crymes married James Summers, Solicitor and County Treasurer. A John > Summers 05/01/1830 Gent. of St. Thomas Haverfordwest married Harriet > Elizabeth Howell at Prendergast and on 02/04/1835 a William Summers of St. > Thomas married Elizabeth Pernell at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. > > A John BATTIN married Grace Jenkins at Steynton in 1694/95...the different > surname spellings may depend on the scribe of the times........but if you > care to follow it, you may find the connection and reason for the Batin name > is through Sarah Jenkins. There are a couple of Pembrokeshire Wills for > Batin/e in various spellings, and about a dozen for the Summers name, but > hopefully the census entries will put you on the right path. > Perhaps Glen or Sylvia might oblige. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > > > Hello Carol > > Here are the John family in 1881 Census > Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire > RG11/5415/66/7 > > Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner > Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales > Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant > William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter > Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant > Family is also posted on IGI. > Marriage Dec 1860 > John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > > Glen Jenkins > Swansea > Wales > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/