Hello John, I hope the List Administrator and Listers will forgive me but, for the " Off Topic " query but, can I ask, are you the same John BALL that I was in frequent email contact with a few years ago RE: my IOM ( Manx ) research for KNEALE/CORRIN etc ? My name is Carol LLOYD, hope I am not wrong? If you are, I hope all is well with you? Your posting today made for vey interesting reading btw, thanks for sharing it with us :0) Regards, Carol _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/