Hello Carol Here are the John family in 1881 Census Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire RG11/5415/66/7 Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant Family is also posted on IGI. Marriage Dec 1860 John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales --- On Sun, 12/7/09, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > From: Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 12 July, 2009, 10:20 AM > > Hello List, > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's > family in Pembrokeshire. > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant > information to this list, but felt it was important to this > families travels etc. > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James > LLOYD 1871 - 1960 Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura > Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, > Wales. > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, > Pembroke, Wales in 1903. > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, > Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife > Laura died at Coombes, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire in > 1941. > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura > Eleanor LLOYD nee JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my > in-laws photo's and personal papers: > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > Laura > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children > born to Mr > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected > families > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In > Charge of the > old Blackberry Ferry ". > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but > lived at > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of > Pembroke. > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be > grateful for > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me > re: above names. > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and > lived in Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link > that I am researching now. > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting > with his parents: > > Parents: > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty > Officer RN/Mechanical Engineer > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > He married  Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in > Torpoint, Cornwall  ) Occ: Wages Clerk, HMS > Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 > months earlier in 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. > They had lived in Farnborough, Hants for years. > > Grandparent's: > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, > Pembrokeshire, and Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, > Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship > Builders, Pembroke Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was > apprenticed for 5 years and qualified as a Shipwright in > 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", Coombs, > Milford Haven. > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married > Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 . > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 > in Porchester. > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD > b. 1867 Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > GGrandparent's: > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: > Butter Merchant, Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 > Census. > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than > husband? > > 1881 British Census      > > Household: > > Name              > Relation   Marital Status  >    Gender     Age  >    Birthplace  >    Occupation  >    Disability > Mary A. LLOYD    Head    >    W            >       Female    >    46     Westerham, > Kent, England       No > Occupation        > William A. LLOYD   Son      >                 >         Male        > 13       Holloway    >    Scholar        > James LLOYD       Son  >                 >           >    Male        10  >      London Finsbury Park, London, > Middlesex, England    >    Scholar        > > Source Information: >       Dwelling    >    21 Albion Place >       Census Place  >    Ramsgate, Kent, England >       Family History Library Film  >      1341234 >       Public Records Office Reference  >      RG11 >       Piece / Folio    >    0987 / 113 >       Page Number    >    8 > > Thankyou in advance, > Regards, > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Dear Carol, Glen has referred to the possible marriage in the IGI of John Thomas to Sarah Summers recorded at Haverfordwest in 1860. The census info. indicates that she was born c. 1840 and, of course, her parents may have married after the cut-off point of 1837 for the Pemb. marriage index and before 1840.. After 1837, of course, certificates are available, so it may be possible to obtain Sarah's birth certificate. On 23/09/1834 a John Summers married Sarah Jenkins at St. Mary's Haverfordwest........and your Sarah perhaps could be named after Sarah Jenkins. It should be possible to trace Sarah Summers in the 1841 census as a baby and the 1851 for more family information. There are several rather important Summers males in Pembrokeshire at this time....some associated with Thornton House, Steynton, and it is recorded in the Historic Pembrokeshire Homes & Their Families book compiled from the work of the late Welsh Herald, Major Francis Jones, that a David BATEN Yeoman lived at Thornton House in 1623. However, closer in time a Thomas Batin, Labourer, married Mary Evan at St. Nicholas 12/04/1819...there are also several other spellings such as Batine through the years, which may relate to a different family. After David BATEN, the Andrew family lived at Thornton House, followed by the Crymes...Mary BATIN married William Andrew in 1762 .and in 1832 Louisa Crymes married James Summers, Solicitor and County Treasurer. A John Summers 05/01/1830 Gent. of St. Thomas Haverfordwest married Harriet Elizabeth Howell at Prendergast and on 02/04/1835 a William Summers of St. Thomas married Elizabeth Pernell at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. A John BATTIN married Grace Jenkins at Steynton in 1694/95...the different surname spellings may depend on the scribe of the times........but if you care to follow it, you may find the connection and reason for the Batin name is through Sarah Jenkins. There are a couple of Pembrokeshire Wills for Batin/e in various spellings, and about a dozen for the Summers name, but hopefully the census entries will put you on the right path. Perhaps Glen or Sylvia might oblige. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. Hello Carol Here are the John family in 1881 Census Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire RG11/5415/66/7 Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant Family is also posted on IGI. Marriage Dec 1860 John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales