Dear Yvonne, Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas and John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Helo Beettye, I was so glad to see your reply. However unfortunately the marriages you informed me of (James and Oliver) do not appear to be the ones I am looking for. In Dinas Parish Records I have found christening of Mary Oliver 1795(my g.g. grandmother) whose parents in register were John and Mary Oliver. Regarding James, the wife of James James was a Jane There is a slight possibility she was Cardiganshire and I am pursuing this.i.e. Brongwyn Parish. For your info the Oliver surname has been in Dinas since 1660, but the surname disappears by approx 1830. The reason being the descendants were mostly daughters. I have written down the wills of both Vincent Oliver and Henry Oliver of Dinas. Vincent's Will was in 1780's and could be the father of Henry. but this is only slight possibility as he had two daughters, and no sign of a son.Henry was my g.g.g. grandfather. There was a younger Henry Oliver born approx 1800 and married Dinas 1828 but he disappears from the scene! He could have been brother to my g.g. grandmother. I am so grateful for your help Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood To: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 1:11 AM Subject: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Dear Yvonne, Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas and John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.