Hello Yvonne and Bettye, I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL has a connection to my family. I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have it in front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, MARGARET HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first names look familiar? Sally > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:21:33 +0100 > From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Irish marriages > To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <68DD666E87C14D11BFA47556B5E2C95E@YvonnePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello, > I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for two different > marriages for g.g.g. grandfathers in Pembrokeshire approx dates 1790's. I > am unable to trace them after considserable searching in usual channels > namely Parish Records and I.G.I. They were James James Castlebythe and > John Oliver Dinas. Their respective children were christened in Little > Newcastle and Dinas. As there are family stories that we have an Irish > connection (Irish Pirates actually!) I wonder if one or two of these > marriages could have occurred in Ireland. Was it usual for Pembrokeshsire > men to marry Irish women and return with them to Pembs? I would have > thought that their different religions would be a hindrance especially in > Southern Ireland. I happen to know there was constant trading between > Pembrokeshire and Ireland at this time > Yvonne Evans > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:11:27 +1000 > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [Dyfed] Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & > James > To: <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9976A3870A174895827EE5A77DCA71F2@p4desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Yvonne, > > Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there > was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred > years earlier than the 1790's. > > There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais > records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may > be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. > > James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan > James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, > > John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas > and > John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. > > Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in > 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using > patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used > Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably > just a coincidence. > > Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Dear Sally, I presume that your g.g.g.grandparents were John Howel who married Martha James at Fishguard in 1786...just to confuse matters a John Howel married a Martha James in 1784 at Newport...recorded in the same Cemais index. Mary Howel in 1783 at Llanllawer married JOHN Harry. Margaret Howell who married John Oliver in 1790 certainly fits into the timeframe....and the surname spelling variations may just be the result of a scribal error. I noticed in the records that an Anne Howell in 1808 at Llanllawer married John LLEWHELYN and in the same year and place William Llewhelyn married Rachael Jones...(I'd say the same vicar wrote the records), then I checked for Wills: David Llewhellin, Llanllawer 1805 Elizabeth Llewellyn, Llanllawer 1842 Evan Llewellin, Llanllawer 1821. As you can see, not one of them has the same spelling as John and William...but surely Llanllawer wasn't big enough to accommodate four Llewellyn families of differing origins, was it? Bettye Kirwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:01 PM Subject: [Dyfed] PEM - OLIVER & HOWELL marriage 1790 > Hello Yvonne and Bettye, > > I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL > has > a connection to my family. > > I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have it > in > front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL > (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, > MARGARET > HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to > [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, > DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. > > Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first names > look familiar? > > Sally > > > > >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:21:33 +0100 >> From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> >> Subject: [Dyfed] Irish marriages >> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <68DD666E87C14D11BFA47556B5E2C95E@YvonnePC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hello, >> I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for two different >> marriages for g.g.g. grandfathers in Pembrokeshire approx dates 1790's. I >> am unable to trace them after considserable searching in usual channels >> namely Parish Records and I.G.I. They were James James Castlebythe and >> John Oliver Dinas. Their respective children were christened in Little >> Newcastle and Dinas. As there are family stories that we have an Irish >> connection (Irish Pirates actually!) I wonder if one or two of these >> marriages could have occurred in Ireland. Was it usual for Pembrokeshsire >> men to marry Irish women and return with them to Pembs? I would have >> thought that their different religions would be a hindrance especially >> in >> Southern Ireland. I happen to know there was constant trading between >> Pembrokeshire and Ireland at this time >> Yvonne Evans >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:11:27 +1000 >> From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> >> Subject: [Dyfed] Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & >> James >> To: <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> >> Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <9976A3870A174895827EE5A77DCA71F2@p4desktop> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Dear Yvonne, >> >> Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there >> was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred >> years earlier than the 1790's. >> >> There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais >> records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may >> be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. >> >> James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan >> James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, >> >> John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas >> and >> John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. >> >> Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in >> 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using >> patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used >> Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably >> just a coincidence. >> >> Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message