Dear Yvonne, Further to my previousmessage: James James Carpenter of "Hillum", Castlebythe left a Will. The St. David's Probate reference number is SD1836/47 and a copy of the abstract can be obtained for a small fee if you contact Pembrokeshire Records Office at Haverfordwest. You can order Will films from the Mormon Family History Centres, or a full copy of the Will can be obtained, using this reference number, from The National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth. If his wife was still alive when he died or at least at the time he made his Will, you should be able to obtain her first name ......and gain confirmation of other family information. Re details for the two James James marriages I sent previously.....I found that a James James of Fishguard left a Grant (ref. SD1810/47) so this would possibly refer to the James James who married Elinor Griffith at Fishguard. I am rather fascinated by the Oliver James 1730 Dinas marriage to Catherine David. His children, in a Welsh village community, would be known by their first name, followed by "ap Oliver", and there are no earlier Oliver family members in the records...but not an uncommon occurrence if they came from elsewhere. What I find so interesting is that Henry Oliver, of Dinas, in 1761 married Margaret Llewellin. I found a reference to his name on a Dinas Land Tax record for 1823 at Clinderwen, Dinas...and I found a record of his burial at Dinas on 26th. Sept. 1834 aged 90, which would give him an c. 1734 birth year. The only other Oliver in the burial records from 1813-37 is Esther Oliver of Dinas who was buried 15th. March, 1819 aged 84, i.e. born c. 1735. I am wondering if she was perhaps a sister to Henry, or a second wife to Henry.....but with birth dates in the 1730's they would both fit nicely into being children of Oliver James. As I said before...probably just coincidental as there is a Will reference for an earlier Oliver James of Llanychllwydog, Husbandman, reference SD1689/150., Henry Oliver left a Will, proved in 1825, but I don't have the reference number as Oliver is not a name I have researched, but the year would be enough information for Pemb. RO to provide an abstract. As well as the information I have given, a David Oliver married Mary James at Dinas in 1776. The Pemb. RO could also provide copies of any parish register marriages I've mentioned, and from these you can obtain witness names. You may of course not have your g.g.g.grandfather's marriage information, but you may already know further ancestry for them back in time. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood To: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Dear Yvonne, Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas and John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Henry oliver's birth yr should b estimated at 1744 not 1734. Since he died age 90 in 1834. If he was born in 1734 then he would b 100. John in ireland LC & BJ Kirkwood wrote: > Dear Yvonne, > Further to my previousmessage: > James James Carpenter of "Hillum", Castlebythe left a Will. The St. David's Probate reference number is SD1836/47 and a copy of the abstract can be obtained for a small fee if you contact Pembrokeshire Records Office at Haverfordwest. You can order Will films from the Mormon Family History Centres, or a full copy of the Will can be obtained, using this reference number, from The National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth. > If his wife was still alive when he died or at least at the time he made his Will, you should be able to obtain her first name ......and gain confirmation of other family information. > Re details for the two James James marriages I sent previously.....I found that a James James of Fishguard left a Grant (ref. SD1810/47) so this would possibly refer to the James James who married Elinor Griffith at Fishguard. > I am rather fascinated by the Oliver James 1730 Dinas marriage to Catherine David. His children, in a Welsh village community, would be known by their first name, followed by "ap Oliver", and there are no earlier Oliver family members in the records...but not an uncommon occurrence if they came from elsewhere. > What I find so interesting is that Henry Oliver, of Dinas, in 1761 married Margaret Llewellin. I found a reference to his name on a Dinas Land Tax record for 1823 at Clinderwen, Dinas...and I found a record of his burial at Dinas on 26th. Sept. 1834 aged 90, which would give him an c. 1734 birth year. The only other Oliver in the burial records from 1813-37 is Esther Oliver of Dinas who was buried 15th. March, 1819 aged 84, i.e. born c. 1735. > I am wondering if she was perhaps a sister to Henry, or a second wife to Henry.....but with birth dates in the 1730's they would both fit nicely into being children of Oliver James. As I said before...probably just coincidental as there is a Will reference for an earlier Oliver James of Llanychllwydog, Husbandman, reference SD1689/150., > Henry Oliver left a Will, proved in 1825, but I don't have the reference number as Oliver is not a name I have researched, but the year would be enough information for Pemb. RO to provide an abstract. As well as the information I have given, a David Oliver married Mary James at Dinas in 1776. The Pemb. RO could also provide copies of any parish register marriages I've mentioned, and from these you can obtain witness names. > You may of course not have your g.g.g.grandfather's marriage information, but you may already know further ancestry for them back in time. > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LC & BJ Kirkwood > To: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk > Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:11 AM > Subject: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James > Dear Yvonne, > Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. > There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. > James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan > James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, > John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas > and > John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. > Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. > Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message