Hi: Have you applied for a birth certificate on Thomas Evans in Llandyfriog, CGN? Also, what religion was the family? If they were Church of England, they might be in the parish register for that parish. If someone could look that up for you (I can't), he might be listed. When Civil Registration went into effect (July 1, 1837), many of the Churches of England continue recording the baptisms and burials of their members. It's worth a gamble to look for that. IF he was a nonconformist, then just try for the birth certificate. Do you have ancestery.com? If not, is there a library nearby that does. I would check for Thoams Evans in that area for 1851 and 1861. He's probably working as a servant, shepherd, etc. for somebody else. He's probably in the same parish, so you need to look for him. children in those days weren't children. They were old before their time. For the 1841 census, he may not have been born until that year. The entry in Monmouthshire - where does it say the chldren were born? If it says Llandyfriog, its a possibility but if it only says Cardiganshire, I would run the other way. Evans is just too common of a name in Wales. I would continue looking around Llandyfriog parish and the surrounding areas for him. Don't give up. Annie Los Angeles - Attached Message From: Howard <howardevans@bresnan.net> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Thomas Evans c1838 Llandyfriog, Cardiganshire Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:35:56 -0700 Hi Folks, I need help with the subject birth record. I know for certain that his father was Benjamin, laborer (Thomas' Marriage Certificate), that he was born in Llandyfriog, and the year is fairly close based on several census records. My quandary is this: I cannot place him in a family in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, he married in 1870 and is positively documented after that. In 1861 I believe I have him together with Benjamin and two siblings (Benjamin and Rachel) in Monmouth sire, all listed as lodgers. The siblings are indicated to be those of Benjamin, Thomas is not. Pauline Jones has helped me locate a marriage between Benjamin and Rebeccah Jones in 1829 which is suspiciously accurate (Thomas named a daughter Rebecca), but I don't feel comfortable accepting this until I can place Thomas in that family. I found record of a Bidding Letter at NLW requesting wedding gifts in the 1830 collection and learned of a new custom. Should this marriage prove out, is there a way to get a copy of the letter? Any help or suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Howard Evans Billings, MT USA