Hi all I am looking at Thomas Rede who married both Elen ferch Gruffydd ap Nicolas and Margred ferch Gruffydd Dwnn. I have the placename of KIDCOCK listed against him, but I can't find out where this might be. Does anyone know? I have done some web searches but, unfortunately, the sites coming up have nothing whatsoever to do with genealogy!!!! Cheers Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia

Dear Lynne, I think you might be looking for Kidwelly...because there were connections there. Bartrum pedigree chart "Read 2" shows Thomas ap William Read of Roche (Carms. 5) (l. 1449-52) His first wife is shown as Elen d. Gr. (of the line of) Ein. ap Ll. (7) so Bartrum does not appear to think she comes from Gruffudd ap Nicholas of Dynefor's line. (I have lots on him as he seems to be in my own ancestral line several times over), but being away from home for so long, remembering where I have filed everything is the problem). His second wife is Margred f. Gr. Dwnn (Llw. ap G. 2(A). The chart I have shows Margred, Lewis, Gruffudd, and two no-name daughters, then Morgan as coming from the first marriage. Alswn and Jane are shown from the second. I guess, however, it is Catrin who married Thomas ap Philip Bateman with whom you have an interest. Nothing further is shown for this couple....and it would seem that Bartrum did not know which of the two mothers she came from...if indeed she came from either of them. Lewis Read and his wife Annes f. Philip ....descended from Cadifor Fawr..(......Phillips of Cil Sant and Picton Castle lines) are the parents of Alswn who married one of my early James Devonalds There may be more on Bartrum sheet "Read 2A .......I don't have that one......nor do I have " Ein ap Ll. 7".....my pedigree charts came from The National Library several years ago...perhaps it is now on-line, or another Lister may have copies of Bartrum's pedigrees. I do have some Dwnn charts....Margaret is not on the ones I have found, but I'll look further. Regards Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Simpson" <lsimpson@netspeed.com.au> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Thomas Rede, Kidcock, Wales > Hi all > > I am looking at Thomas Rede who married both Elen ferch Gruffydd ap > Nicolas > and Margred ferch Gruffydd Dwnn. I have the placename of KIDCOCK listed > against him, but I can't find out where this might be. Does anyone know? > > I have done some web searches but, unfortunately, the sites coming up have > nothing whatsoever to do with genealogy!!!! > > Cheers > > Lynne Simpson > Canberra Australia > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Lynne, Separately I am sending you a copy of Trwmsaran from the Carmarthen Families section of West Wales Historical Records....... the pertinent points being: Holl. fychan m. Jane d. to Thos. Read of Carmarthen, her mo. was Margaret d. to Gr. ab Medd ab Henry Doone (i.e. Dwnn) . Bettye Kirkwood. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Simpson" <lsimpson@netspeed.com.au> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Thomas Rede, Kidcock, Wales > Hi all > > I am looking at Thomas Rede who married both Elen ferch Gruffydd ap > Nicolas > and Margred ferch Gruffydd Dwnn. I have the placename of KIDCOCK listed > against him, but I can't find out where this might be. Does anyone know? > > I have done some web searches but, unfortunately, the sites coming up have > nothing whatsoever to do with genealogy!!!! > > Cheers > > Lynne Simpson > Canberra Australia > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >