Thanks Bettye and Jennifer Bettye I was looking at the Advenae of Pembroke last week and found this (if I am reading it correctly) Rowland Mortimer of Coedmor Ralfe Mortimer (Lord Wigmore) = Gwladys d/o Llw ap Iewerth (Prince of North Wales) Roger Mortimer = Mawd d/o scloieir to Wm de Bruse Rees = Cath f: Jenkin Wm = Gwennll f: Wm Vach Rees = ? Phe = ? Howell = Alson f: Tho Read Cath = Tho Batman Can you shed any light on this? Cheers Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dyfed-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 12 October 2009 6:01 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 323 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Marriage licences and bonds (Roy Davies) 2. Re: Marriage licences and bonds (Rina Callingham) 3. Re: Marriage licences and bonds (Sylvia Birch) 4. Re: Marriage licences and bonds (Sylvia Birch) 5. Ancestry's reliable transcriptions (allen williams) 6. Marriage licences and bonds (Joy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:36:18 +0100 From: Roy Davies <roydavies@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds To: Katherine Hocking <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <af8a42eb0910110736t651b4633qe1c7034ef2b19c82@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Katherine, Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest http://www.parishchest.com/ Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. Regards, Roy On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have > seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is under > age and exactly who gave their consent. > The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting > married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and the > names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the marriage > didn't take place. > On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews > and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. They > can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and > continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance than > anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in > order. > Katherine > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:50:05 +0100 From: "Rina Callingham" <emma.callingham@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <701CA5A06182489DA1A74BDB64AC345E@callinghamspc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Roy, At least one of the volumes of these records is available to read online at: http://www.archive.org/details/westwaleshistori09hist Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:09:37 +0100 From: "Sylvia Birch" <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds To: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com>, "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <008d01ca4a84$d9c18f80$0200a8c0@homepc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Roy I have the volumes and the Marriage Bonds and Fiats only go up to 1800. I did look when your message came through initially but as you needed 1821, I couldn't help. There are four Furlongs mentioned though in Pembrokeshire in the 1700's would you like the information on them? Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < > km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have >> seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is >> under >> age and exactly who gave their consent. >> The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting >> married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and >> the >> names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the >> marriage >> didn't take place. >> On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews >> and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. >> They >> can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and >> continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance >> than >> anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in >> order. >> Katherine >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:25:42 +0100 From: "Sylvia Birch" <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds To: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <009a01ca4a87$18f5c200$0200a8c0@homepc> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Dear Roy They may be useful for you sometime so here they are. October 8th 1745 Walter Duggan, gent, and Catherine FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of St Michael, Pembroke. At St Michael, Pembroke. B. by said Walter Duggan and Thomas Furlong of the parish of St Michael, Pembroke. F. issued by Da. Havard. October 11th 1755 David Lewis, gent and Elizabeth FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of Llandewy Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said David Lewis; witness: N.Morgan, N.P. F.issued by Tho.Eynon, Sur. June 22nd 1771 William FURLONG of the parish of Carey, Pembs (Carew?) gent., and Elisabeth Lewis of the parish of Mydrim, Carms., spinster. F. issued by John Rogers, Sur. September 15th 1784 John FURLONG, gent and Margaret Thomas, spinster, both of the parish of Lampeter Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said John Furlong and Thomas Philipps of the parish of Llanginning, Carms, gent; witness: Dan Williams. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < > km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have >> seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is >> under >> age and exactly who gave their consent. >> The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting >> married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and >> the >> names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the >> marriage >> didn't take place. >> On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews >> and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. >> They >> can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and >> continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance >> than >> anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in >> order. >> Katherine >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:26:00 +0100 From: "allen williams" <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Ancestry's reliable transcriptions To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <op.u1m89mfyo2u7rf@one> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=utf-8 How do, all I have been looking for an antecedant of mine called Abraham (sometimes Abram) Thomas (born 1847) in the 1871 census as this was the one year I could not find and it was bugging me. Nothing remotely possible in the Ancestry search results, and having checked on Find My Past that he is actually there, I returned to Ancestry to find out why. They have misread Abram Thomas age 24 as Abina Moreen age 36. Ye gods and little fishes! Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:37:19 +0100 From: Joy <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4AD2965F.6030406@btinternet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Roy I was very interested in your mention of the marriage of Bridget James to George Furlong at Llawhaden as George was the brother of Charlotte Furlong, my 4 x gt grandmother. I have a large amount of information on the Furlong family back to John Furlong who died in 1754. I only know that Bridget's parents were Thomas James and Frances (possibly Gibby) but I have not made a study of that family. Are you descended from the Furlong or James line? I wonder if you have any information that we could share? The question of marriage bonds was posed on a mailing list and the response was as follows: One of the greatest obsessions of the medieval church was to prevent marriages between people who were too closely related, or under age, or already married. One way that the church devised to regulate weddings was to force the couple to have a public announcement made of their intention to marry, on three sucessive Sundays, in both their home parish churches. It was hoped that this calling of banns, as it was known, would result in anyone who knew that the weddding should not happen would come forward and say so. This wasn't to everone's taste; the well-off did not like having to announce their plans to the hoi-polloi, and, in any case, some couples might not want to wait three weeks before tying the knot. So, from the Middle Ages onwards an alternataive system arose - seeking a licence from an ecclesiastical authority. To do so, the groom would make an allegation that there would be a marriage bond, whereby, instead of public scrutiny, the groom and a bondsman (who would often be a relative of the bride or groom) would simply give their word that all was above board. They would agree to pay a substantial fine, which they could ill afford, if they wre found to be lying The marriage bond was dated 17 Feb 1821, the marriage took place on 20 Feb 1821 and their first child, Thomas James Furlong, was baptised on 20 March 1821 ( the father's name being incorrectly given as John). This child was buried at Llawhaden on 13 June 1821 aged just three months. It would seem that speed was the necessity for the bond. Shotgun wedding as perhaps her family did not want her to bear another of his illegitimate children - he had already had an illegitimate daughter, Sarah, by Sarah Hitchings who was baptised at Narberth Parish Church on 6 April 1819. Kind regards Joy ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 323 *************************************