Hi John Is this her in the 1871 census? Name: Jane Jones Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: St Dogwells Town: Bridgend County/Island: Cardiganshire (St Dogwells ought of course to be St Dogmells - good old Ancestry) If so, the birth should indeed be registered in Cardigan, and there is no such birth on freeBMD. Given the proximity to Cardigan, I can't see the birth being registered anywhere else if the birthplace is correct. You may need to seek the help of the Registrar where the registers are kept now. From the GENUKI information, this could be Cardigan or Haverfordwest, depending on whether the place of birth was in St Dogmaels Municipal, or Rural division. Before jumping to the conclusion that the birth was unregistered, to verify the place of birth I would try to find her after the 1871 census, which is the problem you first mentioned - having had a quick look on Ancestry, this is not an easy one to crack. She could even, as you suggest, have died before April 1881. I can't find mam Elizabeth in 1881 either, suggesting she may have died. If you get any candidates for her in 1881, she should be easy to identify because she is deaf. Did Elizabeth have a sister Jane? If so, there is a Jane Jones of the right age in Swansea in 1881, born in Pembrokeshire (correct) but it does not say where in the county, unfortunately. She is a servant in her uncle-by-marriage's house (he's the Parish Clerk of Swansea, no less). His wife is Jane Jones and it is she I believe who is the blood auntie, because she is born Pembrokeshire too (the husband is born Glamorgan). This is a tough one. Good luck. Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:54:18 -0000, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi list, > i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 > pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i > should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza > Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no luxck > and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the > 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the > 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 > in Cardigan District. > i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old > jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. > any help appreciated. > john > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

thanx Allen, that is Jane in 1881 with my 2nd grt grandparents! John Jones parish Clerk of Swanse, died in 1903, Jane is indeed Niece of his Wife jane(nee lewis) elizabeth is in 1881 listed as Eliza Jones with her brother james Lewis. that is jane in 1871 as shown below. so jane Jones snr and Elizabeth Jones are sisters who both married Jones's but not 2 brothers john ________________________________ From: allen williams <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> To: john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com>; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 26 November, 2009 17:03:17 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] register of Pembrokeshire Births Hi John Is this her in the 1871 census? Name:    Jane Jones Age:    7 Estimated birth year:    abt 1864 Relation:    Daughter Mother's Name:    Elizabeth Gender:    Female Where born:    St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish:    St Dogwells Town:    Bridgend County/Island:    Cardiganshire (St Dogwells ought of course to be St Dogmells - good old Ancestry) If so, the birth should indeed be registered in Cardigan, and there is no such birth on freeBMD. Given the proximity to Cardigan, I can't see the birth being registered anywhere else if the birthplace is correct. You may need to seek the help of the Registrar where the registers are kept now. From the GENUKI information, this could be Cardigan or Haverfordwest, depending on whether the place of birth was in St Dogmaels Municipal, or Rural division. Before jumping to the conclusion that the birth was unregistered, to verify the place of birth I would try to find her after the 1871 census, which is the problem you first mentioned - having had a quick look on Ancestry, this is not an easy one to crack. She could even, as you suggest, have died before April 1881. I can't find mam Elizabeth in 1881 either, suggesting she may have died. If you get any candidates for her in 1881, she should be easy to identify because she is deaf. Did Elizabeth have a sister Jane? If so, there is a Jane Jones of the right age in Swansea in 1881, born in Pembrokeshire (correct) but it does not say where in the county, unfortunately. She is a servant in her uncle-by-marriage's house (he's the Parish Clerk of Swansea, no less). His wife is Jane Jones and it is she I believe who is the blood auntie, because she is born Pembrokeshire too (the husband is born Glamorgan). This is a tough one. Good luck. Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:54:18 -0000, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi list, > i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no luxck and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 in Cardigan District. > i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. > any help appreciated. > john > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/