Hi John and Allen, Is there a possibility that this is the St Dogwells Pembrokeshire which I believe is near Sealeyham House(where the dogs of that name were bred) There is a small church there and I am unsure if it is still in use. Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "allen williams" <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> To: "john tyner" <johntyner2001@yahoo.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] register of Pembrokeshire Births > Hi John > > Is this her in the 1871 census? > > Name: Jane Jones > Age: 7 > Estimated birth year: abt 1864 > Relation: Daughter > Mother's Name: Elizabeth > Gender: Female > Where born: St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire, Wales > Civil parish: St Dogwells > Town: Bridgend > County/Island: Cardiganshire > > (St Dogwells ought of course to be St Dogmells - good old Ancestry) > > If so, the birth should indeed be registered in Cardigan, and there is no > such birth on freeBMD. Given the proximity to Cardigan, I can't see the > birth being registered anywhere else if the birthplace is correct. You may > need to seek the help of the Registrar where the registers are kept now. > From the GENUKI information, this could be Cardigan or Haverfordwest, > depending on whether the place of birth was in St Dogmaels Municipal, or > Rural division. > > Before jumping to the conclusion that the birth was unregistered, to > verify the place of birth I would try to find her after the 1871 census, > which is the problem you first mentioned - having had a quick look on > Ancestry, this is not an easy one to crack. She could even, as you > suggest, have died before April 1881. > > I can't find mam Elizabeth in 1881 either, suggesting she may have died. > If you get any candidates for her in 1881, she should be easy to identify > because she is deaf. > > Did Elizabeth have a sister Jane? If so, there is a Jane Jones of the > right age in Swansea in 1881, born in Pembrokeshire (correct) but it does > not say where in the county, unfortunately. She is a servant in her > uncle-by-marriage's house (he's the Parish Clerk of Swansea, no less). His > wife is Jane Jones and it is she I believe who is the blood auntie, > because she is born Pembrokeshire too (the husband is born Glamorgan). > > This is a tough one. Good luck. > > Allen Williams > Sale Cheshire > > > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:54:18 -0000, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> hi list, >> i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 >> pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i >> should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza >> Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no luxck >> and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the >> 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the >> 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 >> in Cardigan District. >> i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old >> jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. >> any help appreciated. >> john >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Yvonne The 1871 census is definitely a mis-transcribed "St Dogmells"; The residential location is Bridgend (the bit of St Dogmaels nearest the bridge to Cardigan) and there are large numbers of residents also described as being born in St Dogmells. There is of course the possibility that these individuals really should have been recorded as being native of St Dogwells, and in this instance Ancestry have, by mistake, named the right place of birth in their transcription, but I rather doubt it; it is rather a long shot. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:05:16 -0000, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: > Hi John and Allen, > Is there a possibility that this is the St Dogwells Pembrokeshire which > I believe is near Sealeyham House(where the dogs of that name were bred) > There is a small church there and I am unsure if it is still in use. > Yvonne Evans > ----- Original Message ----- From: "allen williams" > <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> > To: "john tyner" <johntyner2001@yahoo.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] register of Pembrokeshire Births > > >> Hi John >> >> Is this her in the 1871 census? >> >> Name: Jane Jones >> Age: 7 >> Estimated birth year: abt 1864 >> Relation: Daughter >> Mother's Name: Elizabeth >> Gender: Female >> Where born: St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire, Wales >> Civil parish: St Dogwells >> Town: Bridgend >> County/Island: Cardiganshire >> >> (St Dogwells ought of course to be St Dogmells - good old Ancestry) >> >> If so, the birth should indeed be registered in Cardigan, and there is >> no >> such birth on freeBMD. Given the proximity to Cardigan, I can't see the >> birth being registered anywhere else if the birthplace is correct. You >> may >> need to seek the help of the Registrar where the registers are kept now. >> From the GENUKI information, this could be Cardigan or Haverfordwest, >> depending on whether the place of birth was in St Dogmaels Municipal, or >> Rural division. >> >> Before jumping to the conclusion that the birth was unregistered, to >> verify the place of birth I would try to find her after the 1871 census, >> which is the problem you first mentioned - having had a quick look on >> Ancestry, this is not an easy one to crack. She could even, as you >> suggest, have died before April 1881. >> >> I can't find mam Elizabeth in 1881 either, suggesting she may have died. >> If you get any candidates for her in 1881, she should be easy to >> identify >> because she is deaf. >> >> Did Elizabeth have a sister Jane? If so, there is a Jane Jones of the >> right age in Swansea in 1881, born in Pembrokeshire (correct) but it >> does >> not say where in the county, unfortunately. She is a servant in her >> uncle-by-marriage's house (he's the Parish Clerk of Swansea, no less). >> His >> wife is Jane Jones and it is she I believe who is the blood auntie, >> because she is born Pembrokeshire too (the husband is born Glamorgan). >> >> This is a tough one. Good luck. >> >> Allen Williams >> Sale Cheshire >> >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:54:18 -0000, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >>> hi list, >>> i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 >>> pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i >>> should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza >>> Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no >>> luxck >>> and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the >>> 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the >>> 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 >>> in Cardigan District. >>> i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old >>> jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. >>> any help appreciated. >>> john >>> >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/