Hi Di, Thank you for the reply. I am confused, census records are government owned records and they are released. So what is the problem with registry office marriage records. Sometime ago I asked the Clifton Bristol and Islington London Registry office, if they would do a search for me with regard to my G/Grandmother's marriage between 1870-1874. Mary Anne Charles was born in Clifton but lived in Islington at the time of marriage to a Herman Nullmeyer. On both accounts they told me that they do not have any records over 100 years old, and they could not tell me were these record were kept either. Regards Lynne Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:08:46 +0000 From: daibevan@clara.co.uk To: lynnecharles7@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths It's a matter of ownership, Lynne. Church registers are deposited with the archives office when they are full, as many old ones have been lost because they got damp, were stolen, the church caught fire etc. The Register Office is a government building, and nothing to do with the church. They keep their own registers securely, for ever. Ancestry has scanned registers from the London Metropolitan archive - so they do not have those registers that are kept at Guildhall or Westminster archives either (mostly Westminster and City of London registers). Dai Lynne Charles wrote: Hi Di, Sorry I meant to say LONDON scand. I can not see the point of doing half a job can you. If Ancestry are going to scan marriage certificates anywhere in the country, they should all not just church weddings, but all that took place in the area or county. Rg Lynne Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:31:33 +0000 From: daibevan@clara.co.uk To: lynnecharles7@hotmail.com CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths Lynne, The GRO indexes are just that - indexes, and cover all marriages. There are no images of certificates. As far as I can see, the only images of parish registers on Ancestry are for London (Surrey and Middlesex). These are for churches only. I doubt if Register Office Marriages will ever be on line unless there is a change of heart in government. Dai Lynne Charles wrote: Hi all, I have been told that the scand marriages on ancestry are only church weddings, when are the registry office marriages going to be treated in the same way. Rg Lynne > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:28:45 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: DYFED@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths > > Those with access to ancestry may not have noticed that GRO deaths are > now searchable from 1916 to 1005, in the same way that births and > marriages are. The link still says '1984 to 2005', but actually searches > from 1916. > > Dai > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within Hotmail Find out how. Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. Find out how. _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

If a register office has registers in its charge, they are legally obliged to issue an applicant with a certificate corresponding to an entry on those registers. They are not obliged to allow anybody to scan those registers, and, in fact, will not do so. Members of the public have, on payment of a general search charge, the right to inspect the index to the registers, but no member of the public has a right to inspect the registers themselves. Church registers are kept by the church, and they usually regularly send a copy of the entries in their marriage registers to the local register office. On completion of each register, it is sent to the relevant archive, and which archive this is depends on the denomination and the geographical location of the church. In the case of Anglican churches in Manchester, for example, it is the Manchester Central Library, and you can review registers there. In North Yorkshire, the register office does not get a report of marriages from churches until the register is full, although this is unusual - there, you can only get a certificate from the GRO or the church itself until the register is complete. Register Office marriages are kept by the Register Office, and they don't deposit them anywhere else, they just send returns to the GRO. Consequently these marriages will not be released to any organization for scanning or publication, and unless there is a complete change of policy, I do not see this ever happening. Archives holding church marriage details are in a completely different situation, and are constrained only by the agreement they have with the church concerned about publication of the details. As to your problem with the two register offices you mention, there (as I say) is no reason why they should not produce certificates in their charge. If they say they do not have records over 100 years old, this may be because of reasons such as flood, fire, enemy action, etc., meaning they have been destroyed, but it is far more likely they are prevaricating, especially if they cannot direct you to a register office which does have the necessary registers. Personally, I would press them for a reason they cannot supply certificates over 100 years old and take it from there. I hope this helps with the confusion. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 18:34:19 -0000, Lynne Charles <lynnecharles7@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Di, Thank you for the reply. > I am confused, census records are government owned records and they are > released. So what is the problem with registry office marriage records. > > > Sometime ago I asked the Clifton Bristol and Islington London Registry > office, if they would do a search for me with regard to my > G/Grandmother's marriage between 1870-1874. Mary Anne Charles was born > in Clifton but lived in Islington at the time of marriage to a Herman > Nullmeyer. > On both accounts they told me that they do not have any records over 100 > years old, and they could not tell me were these record were kept either. > Regards Lynne > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:08:46 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: lynnecharles7@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths > > It's a matter of ownership, Lynne. Church registers are deposited with > the archives office when they are full, as many old ones have been lost > because they got damp, were stolen, the church caught fire etc. The > Register Office is a government building, and nothing to do with the > church. They keep their own registers securely, for ever. Ancestry > has scanned registers from the London Metropolitan archive - so they do > not have those registers that are kept at Guildhall or Westminster > archives either (mostly Westminster and City of London registers). > > Dai > > Lynne Charles wrote: > > > > Hi Di, > Sorry I meant to say LONDON scand. > I can not see the point of doing half a job can you. If Ancestry are > going to scan marriage certificates anywhere in the country, they should > all not just church weddings, but all that took place in the area or > county. > Rg Lynne > > > > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:31:33 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: lynnecharles7@hotmail.com > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths > > Lynne, > The GRO indexes are just that - indexes, and cover all marriages. There > are no images of certificates. As far as I can see, the only images of > parish registers on Ancestry are for London (Surrey and Middlesex). > These are for churches only. I doubt if Register Office Marriages will > ever be on line unless there is a change of heart in government. > > Dai > > Lynne Charles wrote: > > > Hi all, > I have been told that the scand marriages on ancestry are only church > weddings, when are the registry office marriages going to be treated in > the same way. > Rg Lynne > > >> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 06:28:45 +0000 >> From: daibevan@clara.co.uk >> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths >> >> Those with access to ancestry may not have noticed that GRO deaths are >> now searchable from 1916 to 1005, in the same way that births and >> marriages are. 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Hi Lynne The question of where marriage records are currently kept can be confused - and all I'm doing here is pointing you at data which may clarify things. Genuki has pages which attempt to summarise the historic movements of places within and between RDs ; Clifton, Glos appears on this page below and seems to involve Clifton RD, Barton Regis RD and North Bristol RD at various times - with the registers landing up in Bristol RO. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/gls.htm Likewise Islington, see this page below; it moved between Middlesex and London districts, and then Greater London, but the registers still seem to be in Islington RD. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/islington.html The data includes the dates that places were in which RD. Good luck Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Charles" <lynnecharles7@hotmail.com> To: "Pembroke FHS" <daibevan@clara.co.uk>; "Dyfed Rootsweb" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry indexed deaths > > Sometime ago I asked the Clifton Bristol and Islington London Registry > office, if they would do a search for me with regard to my G/Grandmother's > marriage between 1870-1874. Mary Anne Charles was born in Clifton but > lived in Islington at the time of marriage to a Herman Nullmeyer. > > On both accounts they told me that they do not have any records over 100 > years old, and they could not tell me were these record were kept either. > > Regards Lynne