Dear David, The spellings OBREY and OBRAY could well be variants of the same name, and Lynne Ingalls's off-list response to me (copied below) seems to reinforce the possibility of a link, not only between Ty Obrey and Pembrokeshire but also between Ty Obrey and an Obray family. Admittedly, I did not have this information when I made my original suggestion. I based my suggestion solely on the similarity in pronunciation of the words 'Obrey' and 'Awbrey'. I am copying our correspondence to the Dyfed List, so that others have an opportunity to chip in with their own ideas. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey John - Thank you for your response. I have not yet looked at any of the books you listed. I shall try to find the Rowlands surname book. I have their first two books. I wonder if the house, "Ty Obrey/Obry" was named for a family or for its location beneath the mountains? I will further research and see if I can find mention of it anywhere besides a geology text. My Obray family is giving me fits trying to find their ancestors. They seem to have dropped from space into Pembrokeshire in the late 1700's. If I could tie them to the Aubrey family, my life would be simpler, but they just seem to resist the tie. I obviously need to be there in Wales looking for records(and not in the middle of the desert in the summertime). Regards, Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rowlands" <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> To: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey John That's fine for OBRAY but what about OBREY? and, moreover, Gareth's suggestion that it might mean OBRY (beneath yn Gymraeg)? That sounds very plausible. And, without location data (well, none that I have seen so far!) how can we validly infer a connection to a family? David