Hi Lynne, Yes, I'm pretty sure it's 17 March 1918! The parish burial records detail 1918 so does the CWGC. I have come across 1917 but I think (!) this date is incorrect. However, as I seem to be stuck, I'm trying to keep slightly open minded?!?! Although he was buried at Robeston Watham, he may or could have died at any hospital / home anywhere!?!? ... and then his body brought back home to his family for his burial? I do not have access to Ancestry, so if anyone finds anything on this website that would help me find the death certificate, that would wonderful!!! Thank you! Sorry for the slight misunderstanding on the year. Kind regards and very best wishes, Sarah. On 29 September 2013 22:00, Lynne Ingalls <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> wrote: > Sarah - > > In your first query, you said David Morgan died 17 March 1918. Now you > have listed 17 Mar 1917. Probably just a typing error, but it would help > those of us trying to help you if we knew the correct year. There are a > number of David Morgan's listed on Ancestry.com. If he was buried at > Robeston Watham Churchyard, wouldn't the county Record Office be able to > locate the death certificate for you? Have you tried e-mailing them? They > were very helpful to me when I made inquiries about where to find my 3rd > g.grandfather's death record - they sent me to the Superintendent > Registrar's Office and, Voila, they had it! > > Another way I found a death record/certificate was to visit the mortuary > that took care of the body before it was buried. A lady from Scotland who > moved to New Zealand was looking for her mother's grave. Her mother had > given her up at birth, so she knew little about her. As it turned out, she > found her mother had died in Tucson. So, I was able to narrow down the > mortuaries, and found the one who had taken care of her mother's remains. > They had records back for over a century and were able to provide the > information the lady from New Zealand needed. > > Lynne > > > -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay > Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:33 PM > To: 'Lynne Ingalls' ; DYFED-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh > Regimentsoldier? > > > Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! > > David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston > Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, > and > lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh > Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, > attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he > moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent > to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. > David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, > and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill > and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March > 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel > remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, > Pembrokeshire. > > > Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? > > Sarah. > > > > > >

Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, and lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, Pembrokeshire. Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? Sarah. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls [mailto:lynne.ingalls@comcast.net] Sent: 29 September 2013 19:56 To: Sarah Reay Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Sarah - Is this of any help? It might lead you to his record. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:43 AM To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK. So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated! Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'?? David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarah The short answer is "yes". You will need to look at the military deaths - try Ancestry or Findmypast. I can not recall which! Adrian On 29/09/2013 18:43, Sarah Reay wrote: > Good Evening List, > > > > I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death > certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details > on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He was in France or > Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK. So, I > believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or > he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I > cannot find a death certificate? > > > > He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. I > have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death > certificate? > > > > I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War > Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the > March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if > anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be > much appreciated! > > > > Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their > injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as > 'civilian deaths'?? > > > > David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > Thank you for any help! > > > > Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. >

Hello list, Wonder if somebody can find a marriage between Lewis Lewis and my Mary Lloyd near 1859-1869. Family was at Bettws Evan and Llandyfriog, but member of Gllynarthen Chapel. First child was born in 1867, called Griffith Lewis. Elwyn - netherlands.

Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK. So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated! Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'?? David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland.

Registration district: Newcastle Emlyn County: Cardiganshire Year of registration: 1866 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Volume no: 11B Page no: 42 Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Wonder if somebody can find a marriage between Lewis Lewis and my Mary Lloyd near 1859-1869. Family was at Bettws Evan and Llandyfriog, but member of Gllynarthen Chapel. First child was born in 1867, called Griffith Lewis.

To List Sorry I replied direct by mistake - so here is a copy for the list Pat -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Dyfed] BENJAMIN & ANN THOMAS OF PRENDERGAST Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:43:00 +0100 From: Pat Powell <Pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: Adrian <adrianp7@talktalk.net> Hello Adrian Having looked at the 1841 census where Benjamin and Ann are shown in the next household to the Deveraux I took a guess that the marriage of benjamin Thomas to Ann Deveraux in 1840 might be the one. I have found the entry in the parush register and will get back to you offlist Cheers pat On 29/09/2013 09:23, Adrian wrote: > Benjamin THOMAS married Ann (?) sometime before the birth of their son > William in Prendergast in about c 1843/44. According to the 1851 censu, > Benjamin, a bootmaker, was born in Prendergast c 1815/16 whilst Ann was > born in St Martins about the same time. > > As yet, I have been unable to locate the details of their baptisms or > their marriage. > > Can anyone help me, please? > > Adrian > Yorkshire > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sarah - Whether he died at Robeston Watham or elsewhere at a hospital, his body would have had to be prepared for burial. You could first start at the cemetery and ask them which mortuary handled the body. If his body was shipped from a hospital or from home, there is a record somewhere. The Scottish lady who died here in Tucson was on vacation when she died. I was able to find out from the mortuary that she’d had a heart attack at a local resort and died at St. Mary’s hospital. The mortuary had contacted her brother who was living in the U.S. for what to do with her body and effects. Since then, another mortuary bought out the first, but they still had the old records. I will continue looking on Ancestry and FindMyPast, but I think your best bet is to track backwards from the burial to the mortuary. Lynne From: CHRIS REAY Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 2:35 PM To: Lynne Ingalls Cc: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Hi Lynne, Yes, I'm pretty sure it's 17 March 1918! The parish burial records detail 1918 so does the CWGC. I have come across 1917 but I think (!) this date is incorrect. However, as I seem to be stuck, I'm trying to keep slightly open minded?!?! Although he was buried at Robeston Watham, he may or could have died at any hospital / home anywhere!?!? ... and then his body brought back home to his family for his burial? I do not have access to Ancestry, so if anyone finds anything on this website that would help me find the death certificate, that would wonderful!!! Thank you! Sorry for the slight misunderstanding on the year. Kind regards and very best wishes, Sarah.

Adrian Order the following birth certificates. Try the first listed first. It might give you the Ann's maiden name. Births Jun 1859 (>99%) THOMAS Charles Haverfordwest 11a778 THOMAS Charles Edward Haverfordwest 11a762 ======================================== Message Received: Sep 29 2013, 09:24 AM From: "Adrian" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] BENJAMIN & ANN THOMAS OF PRENDERGAST Benjamin THOMAS married Ann (?) sometime before the birth of their son William in Prendergast in about c 1843/44. According to the 1851 censu, Benjamin, a bootmaker, was born in Prendergast c 1815/16 whilst Ann was born in St Martins about the same time. As yet, I have been unable to locate the details of their baptisms or their marriage. Can anyone help me, please? Adrian Yorkshire ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR t

Sarah - In your first query, you said David Morgan died 17 March 1918. Now you have listed 17 Mar 1917. Probably just a typing error, but it would help those of us trying to help you if we knew the correct year. There are a number of David Morgan's listed on Ancestry.com. If he was buried at Robeston Watham Churchyard, wouldn't the county Record Office be able to locate the death certificate for you? Have you tried e-mailing them? They were very helpful to me when I made inquiries about where to find my 3rd g.grandfather's death record - they sent me to the Superintendent Registrar's Office and, Voila, they had it! Another way I found a death record/certificate was to visit the mortuary that took care of the body before it was buried. A lady from Scotland who moved to New Zealand was looking for her mother's grave. Her mother had given her up at birth, so she knew little about her. As it turned out, she found her mother had died in Tucson. So, I was able to narrow down the mortuaries, and found the one who had taken care of her mother's remains. They had records back for over a century and were able to provide the information the lady from New Zealand needed. Lynne -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 12:33 PM To: 'Lynne Ingalls' ; DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, and lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, Pembrokeshire. Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? Sarah.

Hi Adrian I can't see how you can locate their marriage or expect anyone else to if you don't know Ann (?)'s surname - it be just guessing? You need to get the birth certificate of their son William or one of their other children (perhaps pick one with a less common first name if possible) and then search for a possible marriage. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: 29 September 2013 09:23 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] BENJAMIN & ANN THOMAS OF PRENDERGAST Benjamin THOMAS married Ann (?) sometime before the birth of their son William in Prendergast in about c 1843/44. According to the 1851 censu, Benjamin, a bootmaker, was born in Prendergast c 1815/16 whilst Ann was born in St Martins about the same time. As yet, I have been unable to locate the details of their baptisms or their marriage. Can anyone help me, please? Adrian Yorkshire ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Benjamin THOMAS married Ann (?) sometime before the birth of their son William in Prendergast in about c 1843/44. According to the 1851 censu, Benjamin, a bootmaker, was born in Prendergast c 1815/16 whilst Ann was born in St Martins about the same time. As yet, I have been unable to locate the details of their baptisms or their marriage. Can anyone help me, please? Adrian Yorkshire

The death duty registers themselves are in the National Archives at Kew: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=C9364 Some of them are available online, but the one you're interested in might be just too late... Helen Wright www.colevalleygirl.co.uk www.genquiry.com Moderator, www.genealogy.stackexchange.com >List members - I recently subscribed to FindMyPast, and I found they have death duty registers. I found listed on the 1810 Canterbury Prerogative Court register, a mariner listed: #215 - Obery otherwise Obrey, John, seaman, H.M. Ship Pandour. His will is listed at TNA with the same name, John O’bery also Obrey, dated 1806. He was then on HM Sloop S/L Epervier. The will was proved in 1810, and a sailmaster on the ship Epervier was named Executor of the will.

Lynne, I would guess that he was on L'epervier when he wrote the will, but was on the Pandour when he died. The will you can get from TNA, I'm noy sure about the details of the death duty. Dai On 28/09/2013 02:17, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > List members - > > I recently subscribed to FindMyPast, and I found they have death duty registers. I found listed on the 1810 Canterbury Prerogative Court register, a mariner listed: #215 - Obery otherwise Obrey, John, seaman, H.M. Ship Pandour. > > His will is listed at TNA with the same name, John O’bery also Obrey, dated 1806. He was then on HM Sloop S/L Epervier. The will was proved in 1810, and a sailmaster on the ship Epervier was named Executor of the will. > > I would like to find more information about the death duty that was owed, the inventory of his estate, and any relatives that might have been listed. Does anyone know where I would find this information? I had assumed he died while aboard the Epervier, but may have been wrong. I did a little reading about H.M. Ship Pandour, and I cannot figure out if the ship was at sea in 1810. Would he have been owed some money while serving aboard the Pandour, and that is why the ship is listed on the death duty register? > > Any mariners out there who understand how this worked and where I’d find the paperwork? > > Many thanks for any information, > Lynne in Tucson > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List members - I recently subscribed to FindMyPast, and I found they have death duty registers. I found listed on the 1810 Canterbury Prerogative Court register, a mariner listed: #215 - Obery otherwise Obrey, John, seaman, H.M. Ship Pandour. His will is listed at TNA with the same name, John O’bery also Obrey, dated 1806. He was then on HM Sloop S/L Epervier. The will was proved in 1810, and a sailmaster on the ship Epervier was named Executor of the will. I would like to find more information about the death duty that was owed, the inventory of his estate, and any relatives that might have been listed. Does anyone know where I would find this information? I had assumed he died while aboard the Epervier, but may have been wrong. I did a little reading about H.M. Ship Pandour, and I cannot figure out if the ship was at sea in 1810. Would he have been owed some money while serving aboard the Pandour, and that is why the ship is listed on the death duty register? Any mariners out there who understand how this worked and where I’d find the paperwork? Many thanks for any information, Lynne in Tucson

Hi Reg, How about a possibility of Chapel Siloam Docks, Cardiff Nr the Coal Exchange, Mount Stuart Square. It was known as Siloam Docks. Regards Jane ( W.Auss) Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:01:54 +0100 (BST) From: REGINALD DAVIES <regandpaddy@btinternet.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Whereabouts of Siloamdocks? To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1380045714.9886.YahooMailNeo@web87805.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am trying to trace David James, a mariner, who was baptised at Bethlehem Baptist chapel, Newport, PEM?on 28 Feb 1866. So born roughly around 1851. The baptism register,?kept in Welsh, records that he?later was 'Gollyngwyd 29 Awst 1900 Siloamdocks'. This means that he was released to join another chapel but where was Siloamdocks?which may have been?Siloam Docks? hwyl Reg Davies

Hi Reg Could it have been this one at Verwick? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Verwick/#ChurchHistory - scroll down a bit for the bit about Siloam Baptist Chapel. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of REGINALD DAVIES Sent: 24 September 2013 19:02 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Whereabouts of Siloamdocks? I am trying to trace David James, a mariner, who was baptised at Bethlehem Baptist chapel, Newport, PEM on 28 Feb 1866. So born roughly around 1851. The baptism register, kept in Welsh, records that he later was 'Gollyngwyd 29 Awst 1900 Siloamdocks'. This means that he was released to join another chapel but where was Siloamdocks which may have been Siloam Docks? hwyl Reg Davies ________________________________ From: "dyfed-request@rootsweb.com" <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 8:00 Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 199 ----- Forwarded Message ----- Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics:   1. London Branch of the Welsh Family History Societies (Anna Brueton) To all listers within reach of London The next meeting of the Branch will be on 28th September 2013 at 2pm, at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel when Conway Davies, lecturer at Trinity St David, will be speaking on the topic of "The Old Poor Law in Wales". The meetings are open to anyone with an interest in Welsh history or family history. .Venue & Transport details For details and a map please see: <http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281>http://welshchapel.com/#/find-u s/4533250281 To check whether Transport for London (tfl) has planned works on the 28 September  - see <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx>ht tp://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx for more details. Our final meeting of 2013 will take place on 9th November 2013 in the schoolroom at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel at 2pm when branch member Pam Buttrey will speak in the topic of "Booze, Bankruptcy, Bastards and a Baker - researching an 18th century gentry family in North Wales". We hope to see some of you at our meetings Anna   To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to trace David James, a mariner, who was baptised at Bethlehem Baptist chapel, Newport, PEM on 28 Feb 1866. So born roughly around 1851. The baptism register, kept in Welsh, records that he later was 'Gollyngwyd 29 Awst 1900 Siloamdocks'. This means that he was released to join another chapel but where was Siloamdocks which may have been Siloam Docks? hwyl Reg Davies ________________________________ From: "dyfed-request@rootsweb.com" <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 24 September 2013, 8:00 Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 199 ----- Forwarded Message ----- Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics:   1. London Branch of the Welsh Family History Societies (Anna Brueton) To all listers within reach of London The next meeting of the Branch will be on 28th September 2013 at 2pm, at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel when Conway Davies, lecturer at Trinity St David, will be speaking on the topic of "The Old Poor Law in Wales". The meetings are open to anyone with an interest in Welsh history or family history. .Venue & Transport details For details and a map please see: <http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281>http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281 To check whether Transport for London (tfl) has planned works on the 28 September  - see <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx>http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx for more details. Our final meeting of 2013 will take place on 9th November 2013 in the schoolroom at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel at 2pm when branch member Pam Buttrey will speak in the topic of "Booze, Bankruptcy, Bastards and a Baker - researching an 18th century gentry family in North Wales". We hope to see some of you at our meetings Anna   To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

To all listers within reach of London The next meeting of the Branch will be on 28th September 2013 at 2pm, at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel when Conway Davies, lecturer at Trinity St David, will be speaking on the topic of "The Old Poor Law in Wales". The meetings are open to anyone with an interest in Welsh history or family history. .Venue & Transport details For details and a map please see: <http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281>http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281 To check whether Transport for London (tfl) has planned works on the 28 September - see <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx>http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx for more details. Our final meeting of 2013 will take place on 9th November 2013 in the schoolroom at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel at 2pm when branch member Pam Buttrey will speak in the topic of "Booze, Bankruptcy, Bastards and a Baker - researching an 18th century gentry family in North Wales". We hope to see some of you at our meetings Anna

Venita, As you say, there are "myths" and "legends" about Floods or areas now under the sea, in many Cultures. Research has shown that most have an element of Truth. In Wales there is the "Myth" of Cantre'r Gwaelod (The Lowland Hundred) which disappeared under what is now Cardigan Bay. There was certainly Dry Land in Cardigan Bay at one time, as extreme low tides uncover Try Stumps and Neolithic Tools, Burnt Stones and other indications that Humans once roamed the area. Folk Memory carried down from Generation to Generation (In the same way that "stories" are carried down in families.) generally have an element of truth, that may have come down thousands of years. I may be wrong, but logic I would suggest that during the Ice Age, the extra weight caused by sheet ice, would have made the tectonic plates sink or tilt, depending on where the greatest weight was located, and also create movement in the plates. Think of the world as a cushion, if you press down in one place it rises in another. The suggestion is, that the melting of the Northern Europe Glaciers and Sea Ice, will cause a rise in Sea-Level. Personally I suspect, that as the Ice Melts and weight pressing down on Northern Europe and Northern Asia decreases, the area will rise, with a compensating fall in Southern Europe, and Southern Asia. The stuff from which future flood "myths" will be made of. Purely my theories, and nothing else. Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 16 2013, 05:55 PM From: "Venita" <venitar@mac.com> To: "Dale Davies" <dale_j@brisvegas.org> Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com, "'Robert Williams'" <robert.williams292@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. Along with creation stories, all cultures have flood stories to tell, and all of them very similar to what is recorded in the Bible. I find it very interesting that wherever scientists go, from the lowest elevation to the highest, they find evidence that that part of the world was once under water. Just saying… Venita On Sep 15, 2013, at 5:33 AM, Dale Davies <dale_j@brisvegas.org> wrote: > Oddly enough, that program was available here thanks to the wonders of the > internet. Robinson was referring to a reconstructed scenario of a very large > tsunami triggered by a large undersea landslide on the edge of the > continental shelf off Norway, some large-distance in time BC. They worked > "Doggerland" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland ) and so on into it as > well. A more modest effort only a few years ago off the northern coast of > New Guinea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Papua_New_Guinea_tsunami ) > demonstrated that you don't need a Tohoku-scale earthquake > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_T%C5%8Dhoku_earthquake_and_tsunami ) to > get a devastating tsunami. > > Beyond the other end of Europe in Mesopotamia it would be unlikely to have > excited anyone. Cameron (as in find-the-Titanic) et al have tried to float > (ahem, sorry) the idea that the final in-filling of the Black Sea - about > half as far back in time and a great deal closer to Babylon - inspired the > legend. Still another and far more boring idea has been that the > Tigris/Euphrates valleys, rather flat and close together around the middle > and bottom of Mesopotamia, had a meteorologically ordinary but epic, large > and devastating flood, that happened to occur during a period when people > were inclined to write about it. > > Yet to surface in this context - but it will, it will - is the post-glacial > flooding of most of the upper Persian Gulf. Although slow, such a process > would have been noticeable on the scale of a human lifetime; northern > Australia etc ("Sahul") must have gone under at a rate in the order of a > kilometre a year. That's noticeable. Anyway, the Gulf is an area some > evolutionary anthropologists suspect out-loud may have been a human refuge, > during glacial conditions, from the hyper-arid conditions that overtook > Arabia. This is part of an "out-of-Africa by an earlier southern route" > hypothesis. "Eden" has been placed by some in the southern parts of > Mesopotamia: adjacent to the hypothesised flooded refuge. > > Then there're the flooded "city" remains off Mumbai. > > Personally, I'm with the cloudburst theory. Or the mushrooms. Ockham's > razor. > > cheers > Dale > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf >> Of Robert Williams >> Sent: Sunday, 15 September 2013 8:06 PM >> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Dyfed] Biblical matters. >> >> Mention of "The Great Flood"had me thinking of the Programme that was on > the >> Telly a while ago. >> I don't know what this programme was called,but it was introduced by Tony >> ROBINSON, The Ex-Baldrick Wallah,mate of Rowan ATKINSON. >> >> Anyway,I only caught the last few seconds of this programme,and he > mentioned a >> similar "Great Flood"of 14,500 years ago. >> >> Did anyone see it? >> >> It mentioned that a vast area of Canada had a sudden global warming job, > which >> melted a vast area of ice. >> >> This Ice was of the Fresh Water Variety, >> >> And with this melting,a Tsunami happened which caused all this water to > rush >> across the Atlantic and swept across Europe, seperating The United Kingdom >> from the land mass of France,Thereby causing the Water between Dover and >> Calais. >> >> This same Tsunami carried on further inland and finally ended up to form a >> freshwater lake in the Caspian sea, or some other Freshwater Lake over > there? >> >> [My Geography is sadly lacking since leaving School over 50 years ago!] >> >> The bottom line to all of this being, >> >> Was THIS the Great Flood of Biblical times perhaps? >> >> Comments? >> >> Cheers Graham. >> >> Graham Williams, >> Glam;FHS# 551. >> of Canton,Cardiff. >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri