Hello List, You may like to know that the book "The Parish Churches and Nonconformist Chapels of Wales: Their Records and Where to Find Them" by Bert J Rawlins (Volume one covering the three counties of Dyfed) is now available from Dyfed Family History Society. It can purchased through the Dyfed FHS website. Glyn

This book is now available through the Dyfed Family History Society website. Glyn

Hello List, Can somebody find a marriage between Thomas David Hughes b 1874, son of Thomas Hughes to Elisabeth Jones b 1879. Must be between 1900-1905, as their first child was born in 1905. Thanks for helping me out with marriage of Lewis Lewis to Mary Lloyd. Elwyn- netherlands.

Do you perhaps mean Thomas DAVIES Hughes? Name: HUGHES, Thomas Davies Registration district: Newcastle in Emlyn County: Cardiganshire Year of registration: 1903 Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Volume no: 11B Page no: 47 Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody find a marriage between Thomas David Hughes b 1874, son of Thomas Hughes to Elisabeth Jones b 1879. Must be between 1900-1905, as their first child was born in 1905.

Dear Listers, Some of you will be familiar with the Old-Maps website [www.old-maps.co.uk] which offers images of large-scale Ordnance Survey maps of the UK dating back to the mid to late 19th century. I've used this website for many years, and a few days ago I noticed that an extremely useful feature, removed from the site several years ago, has been resurrected: namely, the ability to expand the image of your chosen map to full-screen size, and to zoom into the image to examine details more closely. This facility used to be available without charge, but in its latest form it is available only to registered users, on payment of a £9.99 monthly subscription. I'm pleased that the zoomable full-screen image is back, but disappointed that a considerable payment is demanded for the privilege. If you use the Old-Maps website frequently, you may feel the charge is justified in order to obtain full-screen images of these wonderful old maps. But if you only use the site occasionally, the charge is difficult to justify. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi Sarah Thanks for posting this to the list. I wish everyone would post the outcome of their queries, it makes the list messages so much more interesting and informative. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRIS REAY Sent: 02 October 2013 17:44 To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regiment soldier? Hello Everyone, Finally - I have ordered the death certificate for David Morgan! Those wonderful ladies at Haverfordwest RO found a newspaper article that referred to him as being at a hospital in Brighton when he died in 1918. The GRO reference for his death is in the April / June Qtr which I found misleading at first, but I have come to the conclusion now that they must have just been late in registering his death which occured in the middle of March. So, it's ordered and the mystery I hope has now been resolved. Thank you all for your ideas on how to solve my problem. As ever, this is a wonderful list! Great ideas that just make you think a little 'out of the box' sometimes. Thank you to all of you who responded either on or off list! Much appreciated. Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah in rather wet Northumberland. On 29 September 2013 18:43, Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> wrote: > Good Evening List, > > > > I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a > death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment > (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He > was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought > home to the UK. So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been > brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in > England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? > > > > He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. > I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his > death certificate? > > > > I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales > War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan > in the March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious > here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct > direction, that would be much appreciated! > > > > Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their > injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as > 'civilian deaths'?? > > > > David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > Thank you for any help! > > > > Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone, Finally - I have ordered the death certificate for David Morgan! Those wonderful ladies at Haverfordwest RO found a newspaper article that referred to him as being at a hospital in Brighton when he died in 1918. The GRO reference for his death is in the April / June Qtr which I found misleading at first, but I have come to the conclusion now that they must have just been late in registering his death which occured in the middle of March. So, it's ordered and the mystery I hope has now been resolved. Thank you all for your ideas on how to solve my problem. As ever, this is a wonderful list! Great ideas that just make you think a little 'out of the box' sometimes. Thank you to all of you who responded either on or off list! Much appreciated. Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah in rather wet Northumberland. On 29 September 2013 18:43, Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> wrote: > Good Evening List, > > > > I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a > death > certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details > on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He was in France or > Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK. So, I > believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire > or > he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I > cannot find a death certificate? > > > > He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. I > have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death > certificate? > > > > I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War > Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the > March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if > anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be > much appreciated! > > > > Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their > injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as > 'civilian deaths'?? > > > > David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > Thank you for any help! > > > > Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

-----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RHODRI DAFIS Sent: 30 September 2013 21:49 To: Lynne Ingalls; Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Curates <<I had interpreted it as or at least assumed that Curates had been ordained in Holy Orders, and were simply awaiting for the chance through patronage to be promoted to a Parish of their own ... It is probably that those in Perpetual Curacies were ordained priests, as the incumbent would to all intents and purposes be the equivalent of a Vicar or Rector. There however numerous references in Deeds and Wills, and many Wills of Individuals styled as Clerks in the 16 and 17 hundreds who do not appear in the Diocesan Records. I may be wrong, but believe on my interpretation of the evidence I have found, that the Incumbents employed individuals to act as their assistants, and paid them out of their own Stipend. This appears to have been a private arrangement, as their names do not appear in Diocesan Records, or as having attended University, which seems to have automatically qualified them for priesthood.>> So are we talking about curates, or are we talking about "clerks"? In the older sense a curate was a clergyman who had charge of a parish (having "cure of souls"). He could be a rector, a vicar or a "perpetual curate". This is also the sense in which the word is generally used in the Book of Common Prayer. In more modern usage, the word came to be understood as implying an "assistant curate" within a parish, although it could also be used for any unbeneficed clergyman. Assistant curates were ordained clergy who might be nominated either by the incumbent of a parish or by the bishop. They were however still licensed by the bishop, who could also revoke their license. They did not always need to be graduates - in the last analysis this was up to the discretion of the ordaining bishop. Efforts were certainly made to work towards an all-graduate clergy (notably by Archbishop Sancroft in 1685). But in reality this was an impractical objective, especially in rural areas. The number of non-graduate clergy (sometimes called 'literates'), varied from diocese to diocese, but it was particularly high within Welsh dioceses such as St David's. From the 18th century many Welsh curates were products of local grammar schools, such as Carmarthen, Brecon or Ystrad Meurig, which offered a limited theological training. The first actual theological college catering for such clergy to become firmly established was at St Bees, Cumberland, in 1816. St Bees produced a significant number of Welsh clergy in the 19th century. Non-resident incumbents, who employed a curate or assistant curate to carry out their actual parish duties, were relatively common in former times. I don't know what the original references are which lie behind this query. But doubtless some curates would have moved from other dioceses, or sometimes there will be gaps within the surviving diocesan records. AJ

Lynne, What you say, was my understanding of what a curate was. I had interpreted it as or at least assumed that Curates had been ordained in Holy Orders, and were simply awaiting for the chance through patronage to be promoted to a Parish of their own. It is probably that those in Perpetual Curacies were ordained priests, as the incumbent would to all intents and purposes be the equivalent of a Vicar or Rector. There however numerous references in Deeds and Wills, and many Wills of Individuals styled as Clerks in the 16 and 17 hundreds who do not appear in the Diocesan Records. I may be wrong, but believe on my interpretation of the evidence I have found, that the Incumbents employed individuals to act as their assistants, and paid them out of their own Stipend. This appears to have been a private arrangement, as their names do not appear in Diocesan Records, or as having attended University, which seems to have automatically qualified them for priesthood. What functions they could or could not perform on behalf of the incumbent, is another question. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 30 2013, 08:32 PM From: "Lynne Ingalls" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, "Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List]" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Curates Rhodri - The Dictionary of Genealogy (which everyone should have) says, "until the seventeenth century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent,' but latterly it has applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The dictionary then says, "see Church of England hierarchy," which isn't in the dictionary. Maybe you could Google it. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:37 AM To: Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List] Subject: [Dyfed] Curates List, This may sound a stupid question, but I am confused by who was termed a Curate, and how the definition changed between say 1700 and the present day. I was under the impression that a Curate was always a Clerk in Holy Orders, ordained by the Bishop, but I appear to be mistaken. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

List, This may sound a stupid question, but I am confused by who was termed a Curate, and how the definition changed between say 1700 and the present day. I was under the impression that a Curate was always a Clerk in Holy Orders, ordained by the Bishop, but I appear to be mistaken. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Rhodri

Hello Helen. I can see no baptism for a Richard Einon Jones around 1884 on either FindMyPast or www.familysearch.org. The Dyfed list, which covers Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire and Carmarthenshire, is probably not the best place to ask this question. You may be more successful if you try the same message on the Montgomeryshire and/or Powys Lists where the readers are more likely to have local material. See http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/WLS/WLS-MONTGOMERYSHIRE.html and http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/WLS/POWYS.html Dai Bevan On 30/09/2013 12:55, Helen Bickerton wrote: > my grandfather > > Richard Einion Jones Rev > > Birth1884 Llanfair Caereinion, Montgomeryshire, Wales > Death9 December 1947inChester, England > > marriage > > Name: > Richard E Jones > > Spouse Surname: > Williams > > Date of Registration: > Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 > > Registration District: > Llanrwst > > Inferred County: > Denbighshire > > Volume Number: > 11b > > Page Number: > 481 > > > > > Name: > Esther L Williams > > Spouse Surname: > Jones > > Date of Registration: > Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 > > Registration District: > Llanrwst > > Inferred County: > Denbighshire > > Volume Number: > 11b > > Page Number: > 481 > > > ive found the church he was a minister but not the birth im a novice to all this i want to find the birth im on ancestory but cant get on the welsh library site any info would be good thanks helen > > > > Name: > Richard E Jones > > Spouse Surname: > Williams > > Date of Registration: > Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 > > Registration District: > Llanrwst > > Inferred County: > Denbighshire > > Volume Number: > 11b > > Page Number: > 481 > > > > > Name: > Esther L Williams > > Spouse Surname: > Jones > > Date of Registration: > Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 > > Registration District: > Llanrwst > > Inferred County: > Denbighshire > > Volume Number: > 11b > > Page Number: > 481 > > > ive found the church he was a minister but not the birth im a novice to all this i want to find the birth im on ancestory but cant get on the welsh library site any info would be good thanks helen > > Helen Bickerton > helenbickerton1@aol.com > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rhodri - Back to the Dictionary to look up Clerks: Clerk - 1) A man or boy who had been ceremonially tonsured by the bishop, whether he subsequently took hold orders or not. 2) A clergyman, in which case the term is an abbreviation for ‘clerk of the holy orders’. 3) A man skilled in writing work; but a clerk in the modern sense of one engaged in office work was called a Writer. 4) The Clerk of the Peace was the principal legal officer of the Quarter Sessions. He was a trained attorney who guided the court proceedings and superintended all county business in the intervals between sessions. 5) The Parish Clerk was often responsible for entering up the registers of baptisms, marriages, and burials, and might keep a draft register from which the official register book was posted up at intervals. Today, if a clergyman is asked to make a search in his parish register for genealogical purposed, he is liable to pass the job on to his parish clerk, a fact worth bearing in mind. I had a 4th g. grandmother whose brother was a parish clerk. He was a wounded mariner living on a pension in the village of Rosemarket (in the late 1700’s – to mid 1800’s), and he could read and write. I believe that was his only qualification. He farmed otherwise. There is a diagram of the church organizational structure below the definition. I could try to copy it and send it to you if this makes no sense. 1st there is the Archbishop of Canterbury Below him is the Archbishop of York Then come the Diocesan Bishops (2) of the Provinces of Canterbury and York Below those two is Suffragan Bishops (doesn’t indicate how many) Then there are the Dioceses with Archdeacons and The Chapter (Dean of the Cathedral). Below the Archdeacons are Rural Deans Then come the Parishes with Rectors and Vicars and Perpetual Curates. The Rectors and Vicars have Curates listed below them in the hierarchy. Lynne in Tucson From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 1:49 PM To: Lynne Ingalls ; Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List] Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Curates Lynne, What you say, was my understanding of what a curate was. I had interpreted it as or at least assumed that Curates had been ordained in Holy Orders, and were simply awaiting for the chance through patronage to be promoted to a Parish of their own. It is probably that those in Perpetual Curacies were ordained priests, as the incumbent would to all intents and purposes be the equivalent of a Vicar or Rector. There however numerous references in Deeds and Wills, and many Wills of Individuals styled as Clerks in the 16 and 17 hundreds who do not appear in the Diocesan Records. I may be wrong, but believe on my interpretation of the evidence I have found, that the Incumbents employed individuals to act as their assistants, and paid them out of their own Stipend. This appears to have been a private arrangement, as their names do not appear in Diocesan Records, or as having attended University, which seems to have automatically qualified them for priesthood. What functions they could or could not perform on behalf of the incumbent, is another question. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Sep 30 2013, 08:32 PM From: "Lynne Ingalls" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, "Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List]" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Curates Rhodri - The Dictionary of Genealogy (which everyone should have) says, "until the seventeenth century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent,' but latterly it has applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The dictionary then says, "see Church of England hierarchy," which isn't in the dictionary. Maybe you could Google it. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:37 AM To: Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List] Subject: [Dyfed] Curates List, This may sound a stupid question, but I am confused by who was termed a Curate, and how the definition changed between say 1700 and the present day. I was under the impression that a Curate was always a Clerk in Holy Orders, ordained by the Bishop, but I appear to be mistaken. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Sarah Have you looked to see if there is an obituary in the local paper? This might tell you where he died. I have found a lot of information about my grandfather during WW1. Every time he came home on leave it was mentioned in the paper.I also found hospitals where he was treated from the newspaper. Yvonne On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Elizabeth Wilson < rhosgoch32@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > I think the Military records are lost. > > How about - Free BMD - David Morgan age 34 Brighton Jun 1918 - Brighton > 2b 271. > > There was a large military hospital there throughout the war years. > > Regards, > > Elizabeth > > ps David doesn't seem to be mentioned in the Carmarthen Pals book. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> > To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 18:43 > Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regiment > soldier? > > > Good Evening List, > > > > I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a > death > certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details > on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918. He was in France or > Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK. So, I > believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire > or > he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I > cannot find a death certificate? > > > > He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire. I > have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death > certificate? > > > > I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War > Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the > March Qtr of 1918? Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if > anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be > much appreciated! > > > > Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their > injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as > 'civilian deaths'?? > > > > David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. > > > > Thank you for any help! > > > > Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sarah, I think the Military records are lost. How about - Free BMD - David Morgan  age 34  Brighton Jun 1918  - Brighton 2b 271. There was a large military hospital there throughout the war years. Regards, Elizabeth ps David doesn't seem to be mentioned in the Carmarthen Pals book. ________________________________ From: Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 18:43 Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regiment soldier? Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918.  He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK.  So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire.  I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated!  Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'??  David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin.  Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rhodri - The Dictionary of Genealogy (which everyone should have) says, "until the seventeenth century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent,' but latterly it has applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The dictionary then says, "see Church of England hierarchy," which isn't in the dictionary. Maybe you could Google it. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 11:37 AM To: Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List] Subject: [Dyfed] Curates List, This may sound a stupid question, but I am confused by who was termed a Curate, and how the definition changed between say 1700 and the present day. I was under the impression that a Curate was always a Clerk in Holy Orders, ordained by the Bishop, but I appear to be mistaken. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks, Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sarah, Forgot to say - 1918 death in church register, Robeston Wathen, March 21st 1918 of David Morgan. Which is a year later... (via findmypast) Jen ________________________________ From: Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> To: "DYFED-L@rootsweb.com" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 30 September 2013, 9:15 Subject: [Dyfed] Fw: Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Dear Sarah from freebmd:- March Quarter, 1917 Morgan David aged 32, District: Pembroke, Volume 11a, Page 1612 nb Robeston was in the Narberth district at this time, but perhaps he died in a hospital unit. Hope this helps. Jen ________________________________ From: Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> To: 'Lynne Ingalls' <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net>; DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 20:33 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, and lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, Pembrokeshire. Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? Sarah. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls [mailto:lynne.ingalls@comcast.net] Sent: 29 September 2013 19:56 To: Sarah Reay Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Sarah -  Is this of any help?  It might lead you to his record. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:43 AM To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918.  He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK.  So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire.  I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated! Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'?? David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sarah from freebmd:- March Quarter, 1917 Morgan David aged 32, District: Pembroke, Volume 11a, Page 1612 nb Robeston was in the Narberth district at this time, but perhaps he died in a hospital unit. Hope this helps. Jen ________________________________ From: Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> To: 'Lynne Ingalls' <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net>; DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 20:33 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, and lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, Pembrokeshire. Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? Sarah. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls [mailto:lynne.ingalls@comcast.net] Sent: 29 September 2013 19:56 To: Sarah Reay Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Sarah -  Is this of any help?  It might lead you to his record. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:43 AM To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918.  He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK.  So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire.  I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated! Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'?? David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sarah from freebmd:- March Quarter, 1917 Morgan David aged 32, District: Pembroke, Volume 11a, Page 1612 nb Robeston was in the Narberth district at this time, but perhaps he died in a hospital unit. Hope this helps. Jen ________________________________ From: Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> To: 'Lynne Ingalls' <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net>; DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 29 September 2013, 20:33 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Apologies list - further detail on David Morgan! David Morgan, Private, 54295, Welsh Regiment. David was born at Robeston Wathen, the Son of John and Ann Morgan. He had married prior to the war, and lived with his wife Rachel at Robeston. David enlisted into the Welsh Regiment, and was posted to the 15th Battalion, the Carmarthen Pals, attached to 114 Brigade, 38th (Welsh) Division. It is not known when he moved to France, but he was probably one of a batch of reinforcements sent to the Battalion after fighting at Mametz Wood, where they lost many men. David then saw service with the Battalion while they were at Ypres in 1917, and probably fought at the Pilckem Ridge and Langemarck, before taking ill and being sent back to Britain for treatment. He died aged 35, on 17 March 1917, and was buried at Robeston Wathen Churchyard. His widow Rachel remarried, and became Rachel Williams, of the Police Station, Goodwick, Pembrokeshire. Lynne, you see there doesn't seem to be a 54295 there at all? Sarah. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls [mailto:lynne.ingalls@comcast.net] Sent: 29 September 2013 19:56 To: Sarah Reay Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Sarah -  Is this of any help?  It might lead you to his record. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Reay Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2013 10:43 AM To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for death certificate of a WW1 Welsh Regimentsoldier? Good Evening List, I just wondered if anyone could help me in terms of trying to locate a death certificate for my DAVID MORGAN who was in the Welsh Regiment (full details on CWGC website) who died on the 17th March 1918.  He was in France or Belgium when he became ill and he was then brought home to the UK.  So, I believe he died in the UK (he may have been brought back to Pembrokeshire or he may have been in a hospital in England or other part of Wales) but I cannot find a death certificate? He was buried in his home village of Robeston Wathem in Pembrokeshire.  I have the burial record, but I was hoping to obtain a copy of his death certificate? I have looked up all the usual resources, Free BMD, FMP, West Wales War Memorial Project, etc. and I can find no death for a David Morgan in the March Qtr of 1918?  Maybe I'm missing something very obvious here, but if anyone can help to simply steer me in the correct direction, that would be much appreciated! Are there separate death records for WW1 soldiers who died from their injuries or illness when they returned home or were they treated as 'civilian deaths'?? David Morgan was my grandfather's cousin. Thank you for any help! Kindest regards, Sarah in Northumberland. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

my grandfather Richard Einion Jones Rev Birth1884 Llanfair Caereinion, Montgomeryshire, Wales Death9 December 1947inChester, England marriage Name: Richard E Jones Spouse Surname: Williams Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 Registration District: Llanrwst Inferred County: Denbighshire Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 481 Name: Esther L Williams Spouse Surname: Jones Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 Registration District: Llanrwst Inferred County: Denbighshire Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 481 ive found the church he was a minister but not the birth im a novice to all this i want to find the birth im on ancestory but cant get on the welsh library site any info would be good thanks helen Name: Richard E Jones Spouse Surname: Williams Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 Registration District: Llanrwst Inferred County: Denbighshire Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 481 Name: Esther L Williams Spouse Surname: Jones Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916 Registration District: Llanrwst Inferred County: Denbighshire Volume Number: 11b Page Number: 481 ive found the church he was a minister but not the birth im a novice to all this i want to find the birth im on ancestory but cant get on the welsh library site any info would be good thanks helen Helen Bickerton helenbickerton1@aol.com

Chris, Are you aware that a book has been published on the Carmarthen Pals? I saw it advertised on the West Wales War Memorials site: http://www.wwwmp.co.uk/ Dai On 29/09/2013 22:35, CHRIS REAY wrote: > Hi Lynne, > > Yes, I'm pretty sure it's 17 March 1918! The parish burial records detail > 1918 so does the CWGC. I have come across 1917 but I think (!) this date > is incorrect. However, as I seem to be stuck, I'm trying to keep slightly > open minded?!?! > > Although he was buried at Robeston Watham, he may or could have died at any > hospital / home anywhere!?!? ... and then his body brought back home to his > family for his burial? > > I do not have access to Ancestry, so if anyone finds anything on this > website that would help me find the death certificate, that would > wonderful!!! > > Thank you! Sorry for the slight misunderstanding on the year. > > Kind regards and very best wishes, Sarah. > > > On 29 September 2013 22:00, Lynne Ingalls <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> wrote: > >