Dear Achwr, This just gets better and better!! Thank you for all your shared knowledge on the chapel locations. Sadly, I feel a little frustrated because I would love to purchase the MIs, but I do not have a fiche reader! I am a member of the Dyfed FHS but oh how I wish the society would put more on disk! Or, even download!? We live in the 'sticks' of Northumberland and there are no fiche readers around here - nearest place would be Newcastle. So, I guess I will have to wait until I next go home! Thank you very much for the location information. I realise the OS references are on Genuki, but since taking my Geography O'level many years ago, I seem to be a bit rusty on my map reading! I sound a little hopeless but I am always very determined when it comes to family history research! Thank you once again for your very helpful e-mail. Kind regards and best wishes, Sarah. On 5 November 2013 02:36, yr achwr <achwr@fsmail.net> wrote: > Chris, > > MI's for Blaeconnin, Gelly, Trefangor and Ffynnon Baptist Burial Grounds > are all available from DYFEDFHS. > > There are also MI's for St David's Church, Llanddewi Velfrey. > > Total cost £6.00 for the all. > > A lot cheaper than a trip, and at least you will know, whether there is > anything to see. > > Blaenconnin is north of Penblewin Roundabout on the Narberth to Cardigan > Road, and directly opposite the Nantyffin Motel. > > Gelly you know. > > Trefangor is on the right hand side? of the road betweem Llanddewi Velfrey > and Penblewin Roundabout, and approx. a mile or out. > > Ffynnon is further back towards Llanddewi Velfrey from memory, but up a > side road. > > I may be wrong, but do not think there is a burial ground at Bethel, which > is again from memory close to the centre of Llanddewi Velfrey. > > Check Genuki, as this give the map references. > > Yvonne will correct me, if I am wrong. > > All these Baptist Chapels sprung from Rhydwillym, and it might be worth > you looking there as well. > > Best wishes, > > Achwr > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Nov 04 2013, 11:43 PM > From: "CHRIS REAY" <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> > To: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>, DYFED-L@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Trefangor Cemetry Llanddewi Velfrey Pembrokeshire > > Hello Yvonne, > > Thank you for this fascinating little story that you sent to the list > earlier in the week. I was very interested to learn about Trefangor as > Llanddewi Velfrey is on my wish list of cemeteries to visit on one of my > next trips back home to Pembrokeshire. I have a feeling that I may have a > couple of missing ancestors there? > > However, I have three 'knowledge' requests (to save me time when I get > there!) - could you tell me (or anyone else on the list?), if you know, > exactly where it is located in Llanddewi Velfrey? With limited time, when > I was last home I wasted a lot of time searching for chapels in villages, > but simply not being able to find them as I wasn't familiar with their > exact locations. > > Also, another chapel, is detailed on Genuki as being: 'Ffynnon , in > Ffynnon > [Baptists, 1720]. Records ; a petition by 90 members of this chapel to > incorporate Blaenconyn Baptist Chapel, 1846, at NLW Ms 12041C > SN13651690 Built 1720, modified, altered or rebuilt 1787, 1831-2 and > 1850. Still open 1998' - Does anyone know if this is the one connected to > Gelli Baptist Chapel next to Llawhaden and Bletherston? I thought I had > found Blaenconyn / Blaenconnin (?) near Llandisillo on a recent visit, but > as I found no family members, I had wondered if I was at the right place. > So, a little confusion has now set in!?!? > > Lastly, the third and final church / chapel detailed on Genuki is: ' > Bethel > [Independents, 1824]. Records ; See Henllan Chapel'. Again, can anyone > help me with the exact location of this chapel please? > > I hope nobody minds me asking these questions, but as the list is very > quiet at present, I thought I would see if anyone had any further local > knowledge on this area of Pembrokeshire? > > Thank you. > > Kind regards and best wishes to all on the list. > > Sarah in Northumberland. > > > On 3 November 2013 17:58, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > Hello List, > > I promised to let you know about the bitter quarrel regarding a burial > > at Trefangor Llanddewi Velfrey. In fact the incident took place in > 1861. > > The squire of Henllan Llanddewi Velfrey(one of the Lewis Family) > refused a > > Baptist to be buried there. He was under the mistaken view that he owned > > the plot and was not prepared to allow the burial This caused outrage > in > > the community. The person to be buried was the Rev > > David Griffiths Accrington, a native of Bletherston Pembrokeshire.. It > was > > his wish to be buried at Trefangor. Because of the refusal of Lewis of > > Henllan he was buried instead at Bethesda baptist chapel Narberth. > However > > many of his friends decided to remove his body from there and buried it > at > > Trefangor without permission. They broke down the cemetry gate. Lewis of > > Henllan took them to Court at Haverfordwest. The friends of the > deceased > > could not prove the plot belonged to the Baptists from the time of > Griffith > > Howell (one of the 1st Baptist ministers of Rhydwilym in the 17th > > century) They had to pay £500 court costs. However Lewis Henllan > found > > out by accident 5 years later that Trefangor actually did belong to the > > baptists. The squire was very repentant and repaired and extended > > Trefangor cemetry at his own cost. > > I am presuming that between the time of Griffith Howell and 1861, the > > baptists were burying at Ffynnon chapel Llanddewi Velfrey. There is > quite a > > large graveyard there, and I know of graves dating back to 1818. > > > > Yvonne Evans > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ACHWR >

Huw George (huwmg@yahoo.com) is a contact I have for the chapel and cemetery and they are still very active. My Morgan and Beynon families are buried there I think. Jason Beynon is buried at Trevangor. While tromping around the cemetery, if you find any monuments for either family, please let me know. Ffynnon Chapel is shown on a side road west of of L-V which angles off to the north a slight bit and then dead-ends at the chapel. The side road is less than a half mile (0.49) or 782.2 meters from the intersection for Llanddewi Velfrey. Overhead view is available on Google Earth at Llanddewi-Velfrey, Wales, UK. Peggy Foight On Tue, 05 Nov 2013 03:36:06 +0100 yr achwr <achwr@fsmail.net> writes: > Chris, > > MI's for Blaeconnin, Gelly, Trefangor and Ffynnon Baptist Burial > Grounds are all available from DYFEDFHS. > > There are also MI's for St David's Church, Llanddewi Velfrey. > > Total cost �6.00 for the all. > > A lot cheaper than a trip, and at least you will know, whether there > is anything to see. > > Blaenconnin is north of Penblewin Roundabout on the Narberth to > Cardigan Road, and directly opposite the Nantyffin Motel. > > Gelly you know. > > Trefangor is on the right hand side? of the road betweem Llanddewi > Velfrey and Penblewin Roundabout, and approx. a mile or out. > > Ffynnon is further back towards Llanddewi Velfrey from memory, but > up a side road. > > I may be wrong, but do not think there is a burial ground at Bethel, > which is again from memory close to the centre of Llanddewi Velfrey. > ____________________________________________________________ How to Sleep Like a Rock Obey this one natural trick to fall asleep and stay asleep all night. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/527a8494d5d504942fdbst03vuc

I was reading an article in Potter's Electric News dated 22 Feb 1865, when I noticed the following article, which I thought might interest listers for a number of reasons such as there may be those who recognise the names and it is provides an interesting snapshot of the times: The snow storms in Pembrokeshire – providential escape. During the last few days the snow in northern parts of Pembrokeshire has drifted to a considerable depth. In some places many poor farmers have been very great losers through its influence. In the neighbourhood of Maenclochog, Newport and Little Newcastle, several sheep and pigs, and not a few donkeys, have fallen victims to the storm. On Wednesday last J. Griffths, Esq., of Penrallt, was on his way over the mountain to Little Newcastle, he observed something in the distance resembling a hedgehog. Approaching the object, he discovered it to be the body of a little boy, about seven years old. The poor little fellow was, with the exception of his head literally covered with snow. Mr Griffiths immediately dismounted from his pony and conveyed the child to the house of Mr Meyler, formerly of Wolfsdale. He was nearly exhausted , and at one time faint hopes were entertained of his ever being restored to animation. Here, through the kindness and attention of these gentlemen, the little fellow began to recover, and soon was able to tell his kind preservers that he was the son Henry Philllips, a labouring man, of Llanychaer, who had sent him in a message, but the snow had so drifted that he had lost his way. We are happy to say that, although the little fellow had to endure much excessive pain through cold from about eight in the morning until about five in the evening, he is now safely returned to his disconsolate parents, who had almost despaired of ever seeing him alive. Regards Megan Roberts

I would like to contact Bill Griffith Jones, who may still subscribe to this list.   hwyl   Reg Davies  http://www.welshmariners.co.uk/   ________________________________

The Genuki entries have the OS grid references for these 3 chapels Gareth Hicks On 4 Nov 2013, at 23:41, CHRIS REAY <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> wrote: Hello Yvonne, Thank you for this fascinating little story that you sent to the list earlier in the week. I was very interested to learn about Trefangor as Llanddewi Velfrey is on my wish list of cemeteries to visit on one of my next trips back home to Pembrokeshire. I have a feeling that I may have a couple of missing ancestors there? However, I have three 'knowledge' requests (to save me time when I get there!) - could you tell me (or anyone else on the list?), if you know, exactly where it is located in Llanddewi Velfrey? With limited time, when I was last home I wasted a lot of time searching for chapels in villages, but simply not being able to find them as I wasn't familiar with their exact locations. Also, another chapel, is detailed on Genuki as being: 'Ffynnon , in Ffynnon [Baptists, 1720]. Records ; a petition by 90 members of this chapel to incorporate Blaenconyn Baptist Chapel, 1846, at NLW Ms 12041C SN13651690 Built 1720, modified, altered or rebuilt 1787, 1831-2 and 1850. Still open 1998' - Does anyone know if this is the one connected to Gelli Baptist Chapel next to Llawhaden and Bletherston? I thought I had found Blaenconyn / Blaenconnin (?) near Llandisillo on a recent visit, but as I found no family members, I had wondered if I was at the right place. So, a little confusion has now set in!?!? Lastly, the third and final church / chapel detailed on Genuki is: ' Bethel [Independents, 1824]. Records ; See Henllan Chapel'. Again, can anyone help me with the exact location of this chapel please? I hope nobody minds me asking these questions, but as the list is very quiet at present, I thought I would see if anyone had any further local knowledge on this area of Pembrokeshire? Thank you. Kind regards and best wishes to all on the list. Sarah in Northumberland. On 3 November 2013 17:58, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hello List, > I promised to let you know about the bitter quarrel regarding a burial > at Trefangor Llanddewi Velfrey. In fact the incident took place in 1861. > The squire of Henllan Llanddewi Velfrey(one of the Lewis Family) refused a > Baptist to be buried there. He was under the mistaken view that he owned > the plot and was not prepared to allow the burial This caused outrage in > the community. The person to be buried was the Rev > David Griffiths Accrington, a native of Bletherston Pembrokeshire.. It was > his wish to be buried at Trefangor. Because of the refusal of Lewis of > Henllan he was buried instead at Bethesda baptist chapel Narberth. However > many of his friends decided to remove his body from there and buried it at > Trefangor without permission. They broke down the cemetry gate. Lewis of > Henllan took them to Court at Haverfordwest. The friends of the deceased > could not prove the plot belonged to the Baptists from the time of Griffith > Howell (one of the 1st Baptist ministers of Rhydwilym in the 17th > century) They had to pay £500 court costs. However Lewis Henllan found > out by accident 5 years later that Trefangor actually did belong to the > baptists. The squire was very repentant and repaired and extended > Trefangor cemetry at his own cost. > I am presuming that between the time of Griffith Howell and 1861, the > baptists were burying at Ffynnon chapel Llanddewi Velfrey. There is quite a > large graveyard there, and I know of graves dating back to 1818. > > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, MI's for Blaeconnin, Gelly, Trefangor and Ffynnon Baptist Burial Grounds are all available from DYFEDFHS. There are also MI's for St David's Church, Llanddewi Velfrey. Total cost £6.00 for the all. A lot cheaper than a trip, and at least you will know, whether there is anything to see. Blaenconnin is north of Penblewin Roundabout on the Narberth to Cardigan Road, and directly opposite the Nantyffin Motel. Gelly you know. Trefangor is on the right hand side? of the road betweem Llanddewi Velfrey and Penblewin Roundabout, and approx. a mile or out. Ffynnon is further back towards Llanddewi Velfrey from memory, but up a side road. I may be wrong, but do not think there is a burial ground at Bethel, which is again from memory close to the centre of Llanddewi Velfrey. Check Genuki, as this give the map references. Yvonne will correct me, if I am wrong. All these Baptist Chapels sprung from Rhydwillym, and it might be worth you looking there as well. Best wishes, Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Nov 04 2013, 11:43 PM From: "CHRIS REAY" <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> To: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>, DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Trefangor Cemetry Llanddewi Velfrey Pembrokeshire Hello Yvonne, Thank you for this fascinating little story that you sent to the list earlier in the week. I was very interested to learn about Trefangor as Llanddewi Velfrey is on my wish list of cemeteries to visit on one of my next trips back home to Pembrokeshire. I have a feeling that I may have a couple of missing ancestors there? However, I have three 'knowledge' requests (to save me time when I get there!) - could you tell me (or anyone else on the list?), if you know, exactly where it is located in Llanddewi Velfrey? With limited time, when I was last home I wasted a lot of time searching for chapels in villages, but simply not being able to find them as I wasn't familiar with their exact locations. Also, another chapel, is detailed on Genuki as being: 'Ffynnon , in Ffynnon [Baptists, 1720]. Records ; a petition by 90 members of this chapel to incorporate Blaenconyn Baptist Chapel, 1846, at NLW Ms 12041C SN13651690 Built 1720, modified, altered or rebuilt 1787, 1831-2 and 1850. Still open 1998' - Does anyone know if this is the one connected to Gelli Baptist Chapel next to Llawhaden and Bletherston? I thought I had found Blaenconyn / Blaenconnin (?) near Llandisillo on a recent visit, but as I found no family members, I had wondered if I was at the right place. So, a little confusion has now set in!?!? Lastly, the third and final church / chapel detailed on Genuki is: ' Bethel [Independents, 1824]. Records ; See Henllan Chapel'. Again, can anyone help me with the exact location of this chapel please? I hope nobody minds me asking these questions, but as the list is very quiet at present, I thought I would see if anyone had any further local knowledge on this area of Pembrokeshire? Thank you. Kind regards and best wishes to all on the list. Sarah in Northumberland. On 3 November 2013 17:58, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hello List, > I promised to let you know about the bitter quarrel regarding a burial > at Trefangor Llanddewi Velfrey. In fact the incident took place in 1861. > The squire of Henllan Llanddewi Velfrey(one of the Lewis Family) refused a > Baptist to be buried there. He was under the mistaken view that he owned > the plot and was not prepared to allow the burial This caused outrage in > the community. The person to be buried was the Rev > David Griffiths Accrington, a native of Bletherston Pembrokeshire.. It was > his wish to be buried at Trefangor. Because of the refusal of Lewis of > Henllan he was buried instead at Bethesda baptist chapel Narberth. However > many of his friends decided to remove his body from there and buried it at > Trefangor without permission. They broke down the cemetry gate. Lewis of > Henllan took them to Court at Haverfordwest. The friends of the deceased > could not prove the plot belonged to the Baptists from the time of Griffith > Howell (one of the 1st Baptist ministers of Rhydwilym in the 17th > century) They had to pay £500 court costs. However Lewis Henllan found > out by accident 5 years later that Trefangor actually did belong to the > baptists. The squire was very repentant and repaired and extended > Trefangor cemetry at his own cost. > I am presuming that between the time of Griffith Howell and 1861, the > baptists were burying at Ffynnon chapel Llanddewi Velfrey. There is quite a > large graveyard there, and I know of graves dating back to 1818. > > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Hello Yvonne, Thank you for this fascinating little story that you sent to the list earlier in the week. I was very interested to learn about Trefangor as Llanddewi Velfrey is on my wish list of cemeteries to visit on one of my next trips back home to Pembrokeshire. I have a feeling that I may have a couple of missing ancestors there? However, I have three 'knowledge' requests (to save me time when I get there!) - could you tell me (or anyone else on the list?), if you know, exactly where it is located in Llanddewi Velfrey? With limited time, when I was last home I wasted a lot of time searching for chapels in villages, but simply not being able to find them as I wasn't familiar with their exact locations. Also, another chapel, is detailed on Genuki as being: 'Ffynnon , in Ffynnon [Baptists, 1720]. Records ; a petition by 90 members of this chapel to incorporate Blaenconyn Baptist Chapel, 1846, at NLW Ms 12041C SN13651690 Built 1720, modified, altered or rebuilt 1787, 1831-2 and 1850. Still open 1998' - Does anyone know if this is the one connected to Gelli Baptist Chapel next to Llawhaden and Bletherston? I thought I had found Blaenconyn / Blaenconnin (?) near Llandisillo on a recent visit, but as I found no family members, I had wondered if I was at the right place. So, a little confusion has now set in!?!? Lastly, the third and final church / chapel detailed on Genuki is: ' Bethel [Independents, 1824]. Records ; See Henllan Chapel'. Again, can anyone help me with the exact location of this chapel please? I hope nobody minds me asking these questions, but as the list is very quiet at present, I thought I would see if anyone had any further local knowledge on this area of Pembrokeshire? Thank you. Kind regards and best wishes to all on the list. Sarah in Northumberland. On 3 November 2013 17:58, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>wrote: > Hello List, > I promised to let you know about the bitter quarrel regarding a burial > at Trefangor Llanddewi Velfrey. In fact the incident took place in 1861. > The squire of Henllan Llanddewi Velfrey(one of the Lewis Family) refused a > Baptist to be buried there. He was under the mistaken view that he owned > the plot and was not prepared to allow the burial This caused outrage in > the community. The person to be buried was the Rev > David Griffiths Accrington, a native of Bletherston Pembrokeshire.. It was > his wish to be buried at Trefangor. Because of the refusal of Lewis of > Henllan he was buried instead at Bethesda baptist chapel Narberth. However > many of his friends decided to remove his body from there and buried it at > Trefangor without permission. They broke down the cemetry gate. Lewis of > Henllan took them to Court at Haverfordwest. The friends of the deceased > could not prove the plot belonged to the Baptists from the time of Griffith > Howell (one of the 1st Baptist ministers of Rhydwilym in the 17th > century) They had to pay £500 court costs. However Lewis Henllan found > out by accident 5 years later that Trefangor actually did belong to the > baptists. The squire was very repentant and repaired and extended > Trefangor cemetry at his own cost. > I am presuming that between the time of Griffith Howell and 1861, the > baptists were burying at Ffynnon chapel Llanddewi Velfrey. There is quite a > large graveyard there, and I know of graves dating back to 1818. > > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, I promised  to let you know about the bitter quarrel regarding  a burial at Trefangor Llanddewi Velfrey.   In fact the incident took place in 1861. The squire of Henllan Llanddewi Velfrey(one of the Lewis Family) refused a Baptist to be buried there. He was under the mistaken view that he owned the plot and was not prepared to allow the burial   This caused outrage in the community.  The person to be buried was   the Rev David Griffiths Accrington, a native of Bletherston Pembrokeshire.. It was his wish to be buried at Trefangor. Because of the refusal of Lewis of Henllan he was buried instead at Bethesda baptist chapel Narberth. However many of his friends decided to remove his body from there and buried it at Trefangor without permission. They broke down the cemetry gate. Lewis of Henllan took them to Court at Haverfordwest.  The friends of the deceased could not prove the plot belonged to the Baptists from the time of Griffith Howell (one of the 1st Baptist  ministers of Rhydwilym in the 17th century)   They had to pay £500 court costs.   However  Lewis Henllan found out by accident  5 years later that Trefangor actually did belong to the baptists.  The squire was very repentant and  repaired and extended Trefangor cemetry at his own cost. I am presuming that between the time of Griffith Howell and 1861, the baptists were burying at Ffynnon chapel Llanddewi Velfrey. There is quite a large graveyard there, and I know of graves dating back to 1818.   Yvonne Evans

Hi Mary Her address in 2004 was mliebson@aol.com Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Green Hello list members - does anyone know whether Marion Liebson is still a member? I googled a farm name and up came a message from Marion - from 1998! - and a reply from Julie Preston, from the Dyfed archives. It seems that Marion and I share the same great-grandparents. I emailed Marion, but my message bounced back. 15 years is a long time, but if she is still out there I would love to correspond.

Hello list members - does anyone know whether Marion Liebson is still a member? I googled a farm name and up came a message from Marion - from 1998! - and a reply from Julie Preston, from the Dyfed archives. It seems that Marion and I share the same great-grandparents. I emailed Marion, but my message bounced back. 15 years is a long time, but if she is still out there I would love to correspond. Mary Green

Many thanks to those who replied to my post re Trefangor. (Tregaron was my mistake!). Sheila

Thanks for pointing out the absence of a mention of this burial ground on Genuki Rhodri, and for providing some data which I've now used to create an entry for the place. My usual sources don't have it either but since there was no chapel there I guess it is understandable that there's no mention in Bert Rawlins's book. Less so that coflein don't have a mention, at least under any words I've tried a search on. Took me a while to work out which cemetery was which on the map in Llanddewi Velfrey but I think the grid references I have for all 3 places are correct. And that's not meant to be a challenge :-) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/LlandewiVelfrey/index.html#Cemeteries Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: RHODRI DAFIS Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 8:00 PM To: Terence Padden ; DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Trevangor, PEM Sheila, I would have suggested you consulted GENUKI, but on checking cannot find a mention.

Trefangor is an early Baptist cemetry at Llanddewi Velfrey Pembrokeshire.  Nearby is Ffynnon Baptist Chapel which is very early and built around early 1700's.   There was a bitter quarrel between squire of Henllan mansion(now demolished) Llanddewi Velfrey and the Baptists regarding an early burial at Trefangor. The squire was one of the Lewises of Henllan Mmansion Llanddewi. The person to be buried was I believe related to Griffith Howell  minister of Rhydwilym but I will be able to find out next week. The burial did actually take place. Yvonne Evans ________________________________ From: Terence Padden <terence857@btinternet.com> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 16:56 Subject: [Dyfed] Trevangor, PEM Hello. I'm the Resource Manager for the Dyfed Family History Society database ( http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/index.php). I'm trying to fill some gaps and wonder if any one can locate ( map reference would be great) the Trevangor Chapel or Cemetery in the Llanddewi Velfrey (PEM) area. I believe it is close to the A40. MAny thanks, Sheila. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheila, As a postscript to my previous message. The following information is taken from "The Landsker Borderlands- Its History & Landscape" published 1992 - by Dyfed Archaeological Trust. Rhydwilym and the Baptists. "The establishment of the 'cause' is attributed to William Jones who was dismissed as the vicar of Cilmaenllywd in 1660, became a Baptist and began a new ministry in the region, performing some 30 adult baptisms in 1667. Early meetings may have been held at Rushacre, near Narberth, the seat of Griffith Howells,one of the first local converts from the Independants. The first chapel at Rhydwilym was built in 1701: in the same year that some members emigrated to found Baptist Churches in America. ........... Rhydwilym chapel did not have an attached burial ground. In 1667 before the chapel was built, Griffith Howells donated land at Trefangor, Llanddewi Velfrey, and this became the principal resting place for many of the Baptists in the region. Memorials to Howells, his son John, and several early Rhydwilym ministers may still be seen in this cemetary. Sunken tanks (baptisteries) for total immersion of adults are to be found in several of the Baptist chapel graveyards in the region (eg. Blaenconyn, Llandissilio) At some other chapels - Rhydwilym, and Gelly, Llawhaden, baptisms still take place in the nearby river." I know there two booklets published about one in Welsh and the other in English, on the history of the cemetery, as I have seen both. The English copy is as far as I can remember more or less a translation of the original Welsh Booklet. Here are the NLW Catalogue Enties. Trefangor : Price, Henry, of Rhydwilym, 1815-1892. Year: 1869 Subject: Cemeteries, Baptists, Wales, Trefangor, Trefangor (Wales), History Found: Trefangor (3) Book2. Trefangor : Roberts, R. C., Pembroke Dock. Year: 1904 Subject: Cemeteries, Baptists, Wales, Trefangor, Trefangor (Wales), Pembrokeshire (Wales), History Found: Trefangor (3) Rhodri

Sheila, I would have suggested you consulted GENUKI, but on checking cannot find a mention. Trefangor deserves more than a Map Reference. Trefangor as it is normally spelt is still in use, and is probably one of the oldest non-conformist burial in Wales if not the UK. The early Pembrokeshire Baptists met at Rushacre in the Narberth Area, prior to Rhydwilym Chapel being founded in 1701 following the Act of Tolerance in 1689. Rhydwilym is the oldest Baptist Chapel in the World. One of the two first joint ministers was Gruffydd Howel, who probably lived at Trefangor, as he donated the land for the Cemetery. The first burial was apparently his son John Gruffydd Howel, and Gruffydd Howel was buried there in 1705. It probably therefore I believe predates the Burial Ground at Rhydwilym, and had established in the late 1600's. Off Topic slightly, but what many current researchers do not realise, is that the Early Nonconformists - Baptists, Independents or Quakers, all came from the higher echelons of the local Society. They were educated, and were not simply of independent mind, but had the financial wherewithal to be independent, and follow their conscience. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Oct 27 2013, 04:56 PM From: "Terence Padden" To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Trevangor, PEM Hello. I'm the Resource Manager for the Dyfed Family History Society database ( http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/index.php). I'm trying to fill some gaps and wonder if any one can locate ( map reference would be great) the Trevangor Chapel or Cemetery in the Llanddewi Velfrey (PEM) area. I believe it is close to the A40. MAny thanks, Sheila. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodr

I knew if I posted a request I'd find it! SN680 595. Sheila

Hello. I'm the Resource Manager for the Dyfed Family History Society database ( http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/index.php). I'm trying to fill some gaps and wonder if any one can locate ( map reference would be great) the Trevangor Chapel or Cemetery in the Llanddewi Velfrey (PEM) area. I believe it is close to the A40. MAny thanks, Sheila.

In the DNA world it is called citizen science and crowdsourcing funding. We have done both in ISOGG. 23andMe do it all the time in relation to human disease. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Sent: 25 October 2013 20:27 To: Dyfed; Gareth Hicks Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Place name project A further thought. I think we can assume that the partners supporting this project are completely aware of every book ever published about place names in every corner of Wales. And they have gone ahead anyway. This is the internet era, the most useful databases will be those that are accessible on the net and are searchable. I rather like the way the internet can pull together volunteers in significant numbers to accomplish tasks which are otherwise beyond an individual's capacity to bring about, or too costly if human input has to be paid for. Reminds me of Genuki projects in days gone by ! I hadn't heard of this project until today myself but have no great difficulty in seeing that it has merit. Gareth Hicks On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:17, "Gareth Hicks" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: My impression is that the end result of the completed project will be a single (somewhat large) database of every name/word on the 1900 map of Wales. This would include a grid reference presumably, and any additional information added by contributors from their own knowledge/experience. Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swann Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:29 PM To: 'Gareth Hicks' ; 'Dyfed' Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Place name project I would have thought that the huge 2 Volume work of B. G. Charles would have captured much of this sort of information for Pembrokeshire. ----------------- snip Brian ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree Gareth, the internet has a huge potential for good. My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Sent: 25 October 2013 20:27 To: Dyfed; Gareth Hicks Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Place name project A further thought. I think we can assume that the partners supporting this project are completely aware of every book ever published about place names in every corner of Wales. And they have gone ahead anyway. This is the internet era, the most useful databases will be those that are accessible on the net and are searchable. I rather like the way the internet can pull together volunteers in significant numbers to accomplish tasks which are otherwise beyond an individual's capacity to bring about, or too costly if human input has to be paid for. Reminds me of Genuki projects in days gone by ! I hadn't heard of this project until today myself but have no great difficulty in seeing that it has merit. Gareth Hicks On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:17, "Gareth Hicks" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: My impression is that the end result of the completed project will be a single (somewhat large) database of every name/word on the 1900 map of Wales. This would include a grid reference presumably, and any additional information added by contributors from their own knowledge/experience. Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swann Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:29 PM To: 'Gareth Hicks' ; 'Dyfed' Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Place name project I would have thought that the huge 2 Volume work of B. G. Charles would have captured much of this sort of information for Pembrokeshire.

A further thought. I think we can assume that the partners supporting this project are completely aware of every book ever published about place names in every corner of Wales. And they have gone ahead anyway. This is the internet era, the most useful databases will be those that are accessible on the net and are searchable. I rather like the way the internet can pull together volunteers in significant numbers to accomplish tasks which are otherwise beyond an individual's capacity to bring about, or too costly if human input has to be paid for. Reminds me of Genuki projects in days gone by ! I hadn't heard of this project until today myself but have no great difficulty in seeing that it has merit. Gareth Hicks On 25 Oct 2013, at 19:17, "Gareth Hicks" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: My impression is that the end result of the completed project will be a single (somewhat large) database of every name/word on the 1900 map of Wales. This would include a grid reference presumably, and any additional information added by contributors from their own knowledge/experience. Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swann Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 6:29 PM To: 'Gareth Hicks' ; 'Dyfed' Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Place name project I would have thought that the huge 2 Volume work of B. G. Charles would have captured much of this sort of information for Pembrokeshire. ----------------- snip Brian ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message