Could this be your Mary? Name: Mary Evans Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanelly Town: Llanelly County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Registration District: Llanelly Sub-registration District: Llanelly ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household Schedule Number: 143 Piece: 5467 Folio: 79 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Mary Evans 40 Francis Edwards 17 Name: Francis Edwards Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish: Llanelly Town: Llanelly County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Registration District: Llanelly Sub-registration District: Llanelly ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Household Schedule Number: 143 Piece: 5467 Folio: 79 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Mary Evans 40 Francis Edwards 17 Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5467; Folio: 79; Page: 27; GSU roll: 850840. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:16 PM, E.Schreuder <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> wrote: > Hello list, > > > > Wonder if somebody can find my Mary Evans (nee Samuel) in one of the above > censusrecords. > > In 1861 she was at Parkstreet, Llanelly. Age 30. Formerly house servant. > > Her husband had already died in 1857, only 22. > > I know of a daugther Elisabeth and son James born in 1856 and 1857. > > James was baptise at St Elli's Dec 21st 1857. > > > > Elwyn - netherlands. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Joy, It certainly does....helpful. I usually just Google. Thanks. Bettye K. -----Original Message----- From: Joy Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:14 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire Dear Bettye I can get straight on to the NLW Wills search page using the following URL http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en It looks very strange but it works! Kind regards Joy ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Bettye I can get straight on to the NLW Wills search page using the following URL http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en It looks very strange but it works! Kind regards Joy

I've been to the Trevangor cemetary and found some of my Morgans there, and a few Morgans that at the time I didn't know were my Morgans. Many of the stones were quite difficult to read. I'm so afraid that some of these cemetaries will be rearranged at best or the stones totally removed. I wish there were some online places that those of us with "relations" there could send in small donations towards upkeep and preservation. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Trefangor Cemetry Llanddewi Velfrey Pembrokeshire > (Dai & Angela Bevan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 06:53:36 +0000 > From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Trefangor Cemetry Llanddewi Velfrey Pembrokeshire > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <528C5C70.2030505@clara.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Chris, > Even if you had a fiche reader, you might still be frustrated. I > ordered some fiche 18 months ago and am still waiting for one fiche from > a set of four. It seems there are now so few fiche orders that it is > not worth ordering more. (And I haven't been offered any alternative for > the missing fiche.) > > Dai > > On 06/11/2013 23:10, CHRIS REAY wrote: > > Sadly, I feel a little frustrated because I would love to purchase the > MIs, > > but I do not have a fiche reader! I am a member of the Dyfed FHS but oh > > how I wish the society would put more on disk! Or, even download!? We > > live in the 'sticks' of Northumberland and there are no fiche readers > > around here - nearest place would be Newcastle. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 8, Issue 240 > ************************************* >

Hi Gerry If you are in UK outside Wales you may be able to watch online by changing your location on iPlayer - just tell it you're in Cardiff! Liz On 24/11/2013 17:39, Gerry Lewis wrote: Unfortunately neither this series, nor any of the previous are available to watch on iPlayer. What a swizz - why do I pay my TV licence Fee? There is so little worth watching - and the stuff I'd like to watch is not available. Gerry Lewis (not in Wales) On 24/11/2013 12:37, "Derek Savage" [1]<dereksavage@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi all A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on BBC1 Wales. The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, Shakin' Stevens and John Humphrys. For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on satellite. There is more information here: [2]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 Regards Derek ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [3]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:dereksavage@btinternet.com 2. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 3. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 4. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com

At 12:37 24/11/2013, you wrote: >Hi all > >A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm >on BBC1 Wales. > >Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson Her grandfather, Alex Grey, was my father's friend and was witness at my parents' marriage

Hi Derek, What a great fun looking series ahead! However, I was saddened to see that I've obviously missed the first seven / eight series that go back to 2007! Do you or does anyone else know how one can see some of those past episodes? I've looked on your link as well as e-bay to see if there was a DVD, but there does not appear to be anything. Anyway, if anyone has any ideas / knowledge for those of us far away from home (WALES!), it would be lovely to see some of the past series? Well, thanks Derek for bringing this to our attention and now with modern technology I shall look forward to seeing the first program of this series, this coming week either on the link you have given us or through iplayer. THANK YOU!!! Kind regards, Sarah in Northumberland. -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Savage Sent: 24 November 2013 12:37 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] [DYFED] Coming Home, BBC1 Wales Hi all   A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on BBC1 Wales.   The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson,  Shakin' Stevens and John Humphrys.   For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on satellite. There is more information here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4   Regards   Derek ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gerry Usually programmes, even repeats, become available on I Player an hour or so after after being shewn. Try checking availability then. My recorders are too full of excellent BBC and other programmes because we can’t seem to find enough time to catch up. John. Herts. ( Now far too old to pay for a TV licence!! ) From: Gerry Lewis Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:39 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] [DYFED] Coming Home, BBC1 Wales Unfortunately neither this series, nor any of the previous are available to watch on iPlayer. What a swizz - why do I pay my TV licence Fee? There is so little worth watching - and the stuff I'd like to watch is not available. Gerry Lewis (not in Wales) On 24/11/2013 12:37, "Derek Savage" <dereksavage@btinternet.com> wrote: >Hi all > >A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on >BBC1 Wales. > >The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John >Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, Shakin' Stevens and John >Humphrys. > >For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on >satellite. >There is more information here: >http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 > >Regards > >Derek > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >[Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6859 - Release Date: 11/22/13 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6859 - Release Date: 11/22/13

Unfortunately neither this series, nor any of the previous are available to watch on iPlayer. What a swizz - why do I pay my TV licence Fee? There is so little worth watching - and the stuff I'd like to watch is not available. Gerry Lewis (not in Wales) On 24/11/2013 12:37, "Derek Savage" <dereksavage@btinternet.com> wrote: >Hi all > >A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on >BBC1 Wales. > >The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John >Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, Shakin' Stevens and John >Humphrys. > >For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on >satellite. >There is more information here: >http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 > >Regards > >Derek > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >[Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

It is worth trying YouTube, that is how I am keeping up some of my favorites like Time Team. Eliz Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Sarah Reay <reay.nunhill@virgin.net> wrote: > Hi Derek, > > What a great fun looking series ahead! > > However, I was saddened to see that I've obviously missed the first seven / > eight series that go back to 2007! > > Do you or does anyone else know how one can see some of those past > episodes? > > I've looked on your link as well as e-bay to see if there was a DVD, but > there does not appear to be anything. > > Anyway, if anyone has any ideas / knowledge for those of us far away from > home (WALES!), it would be lovely to see some of the past series? > > Well, thanks Derek for bringing this to our attention and now with modern > technology I shall look forward to seeing the first program of this series, > this coming week either on the link you have given us or through iplayer. > > THANK YOU!!! > > Kind regards, Sarah in Northumberland. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Derek Savage > Sent: 24 November 2013 12:37 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] [DYFED] Coming Home, BBC1 Wales > > Hi all > > A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on BBC1 > Wales. > > The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John > Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson, Shakin' Stevens and John > Humphrys. > > For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on > satellite. > There is more information here: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4 > > Regards > > Derek > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for posting this. I had always wondered about John Humphries Welsh roots. Now we will find out. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Savage Sent: 24 November 2013 12:37 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] [DYFED] Coming Home, BBC1 Wales Hi all   A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on BBC1 Wales.   The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson,  Shakin' Stevens and John Humphrys.   For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on satellite. There is more information here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4   Regards   Derek

Hi all   A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on BBC1 Wales.   The celebrities investigating their family history this time are John Rhys-Davies, Baroness Tanni Grey-Thompson,  Shakin' Stevens and John Humphrys.   For those outside Wales, BBC1 Wales is available throughout the UK on satellite. There is more information here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0071nf4   Regards   Derek

Gerry - Sometimes, after a full season, you can get the series from your local library. I was able to watch three seasons of "Luther" by getting the series from my public library. So much better than our silly programs. Lynne in Tucson (also not in Wales) -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Lewis Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 10:39 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] [DYFED] Coming Home, BBC1 Wales Unfortunately neither this series, nor any of the previous are available to watch on iPlayer. What a swizz - why do I pay my TV licence Fee? There is so little worth watching - and the stuff I'd like to watch is not available. Gerry Lewis (not in Wales) On 24/11/2013 12:37, "Derek Savage" <dereksavage@btinternet.com> wrote: >Hi all > >A new series of Coming Home begins on Friday 29 November at 7.30pm on >BBC1 Wales. > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lynne, You are entirely correct. The whole Baptist Theology, is based on the Baptism of Believers. There was no set age, but the candidate for Baptism had to convince the local Minister, that they wanted to be Baptised from their own free will, and understood the tenets of the Baptist faith. I have seen the children of prominent Baptists, christened in the Parish Church even in the early 1800's. I believe this was simply an "insurance policy" as the "poor laws" etc., required proof of birth or residence in a particular parish. Most of those baptised in the 17th century were adult converts. As an aside, Baptism meant complete immersion, and at least according to the interpretation at Blaenwaun Chapel, Pembrokeshire meant that the person being baptised was completely submerged. My Uncle was baptised about 1930. Dressed in a white gown (my uncle), the minister standing up to his waist in the baptism pool, flipped him over, but his feet came up out of the water. Not a proper baptism, it had to be repeated. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Nov 21 2013, 11:57 PM From: "Lynne Ingalls" <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>, "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>, "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. >From my personal experience with the Baptists, they baptize when a child is old enough to make a personal choice. In my case, it was the age of ten. There were no other churches in the town, so my sister and I were baptized when we asked to be. The pastor told my parents we were a little young, but he felt we were sincere in our request. Adults were being baptized at the same time we were. Either they had belonged to another denomination that didn't "dunk" and had to be re-baptized, or they had never been baptized in the first place. When we moved to a town that had a Mormon Church, the whole family had to be baptized again because the LDS Church didn't think the Baptist minister had the authority from God to baptize. I abstained that time. One dunking was enough for me. So, I can imagine a person could be christened in the Church of England or a Catholic church in the 17th century, then re-baptized (dunked) at a later age. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:21 PM To: Lance Kirkwood ; ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. Thanks Bettye. I appreciate your time and kind response. That's good stuff that I didn't know! Some questions within your message- Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > Dear Hal, > > My understanding is even the Baptists usually married in the recognised > established church to make everything legal.......and they sometimes moved > out of their own neighbourhood to do so.....others will correct me if I am > wrong. > 15 seems to be the earliest age for Baptist baptisms, or as an Adult...but > whether that was the practice at this particular time I don't know. [I > reached a concensus of a min age of 13-15 as maturity/understanding and > thereby est a bd of my gf Wm GEORGE as bef 1696] > > The marriage records show that a Thomas George married Margaret Hugh at > Llandissilio in 1772 but this information came from the Bishop's > Transcripts > so probably nothing else was shown on the register. > > A Thomas George also married Matilda David at Llandewy Velfrey in 1685 > ...also from the BT's. > > The earliest William George shown on the Pre 1813 Marriages for Narberth > Hundred [I presume that Narberth is a larger civil district which includes > several parish?] which covers all these areas, was in 1722 at Carew when > he married > Catherine Leach [I don't have a hint as to the name of my gf William's > wife, but the dates fit in perfectly! He is known to be in Pensylvania, > USA in the late1720s] >and a John George married Sarah Beynon in 1727 at the same > place...they may have been brothers. [We could sure use some wills!!] > > I suggest you now have a few surnames which you can look up in The > National > Library of Wales pre 1858 Wills site [I don't readily find their site, > anyone have a URL?] on line in a suitable time frame...I > haven't looked myself...but it is worth a try. You might get some > understanding of the family.....I recently have seen a few Wills which > mentioned children who had gone to America..... to receive a bequest only > if > they returned home! > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hal McCawley > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:08 PM > To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > Thanks for responding. I just learned that Rhydwilym Chapel has record of > bapt for- > 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for > a > William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] > > 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for > a > Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish.Narberth Parish. [ibid] > > What would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt > in > that era? > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 > Researching GEORGE in Pembrokeshire, Wales > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANNE EVANS > To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Hello Hal and List, > If you contact the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth they hold a copy > of the Rhydwilym chapel Registers dating back to approx 1670's. However I > have studied these myself and was unable to find anyone with surname > George > as early as the dates you are looking for i.e. 1720's approx. I may of > course have missed them. I do not think that this register is complete. > The email addresss you need is:- > enquiry@llgc.org.uk > Yvonne Evans > > > From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013, 22:45 > Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Greetings from America. > I am researching for my grandfather William GEORGE reportedly b > 1690-1710 in Pembrokeshire and perhaps bapt at Rhydwilym Chapel. He > reportedly migrated to America in 1720s. I know nothing of his spouse, > parents or siblings. > Could you tell me if these church records are still extant and how I > might view them? In parish records, Books, Internet.. > Also, what would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have > been bapt in that era? > I appreciate your assistance. > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 USA > Researching GEORGE in Wales and Pennsylvania, USA > > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Say Lynne, you're my kind of gal! Guess the sun hasn't got to you yet, and you're OK with my using age 13/14 combined with "or before", just in case he had a white beard. You're a good bunch. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>; "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > >From my personal experience with the Baptists, they baptize when a child > >is > old enough to make a personal choice. In my case, it was the age of ten. > There were no other churches in the town, so my sister and I were baptized > when we asked to be. The pastor told my parents we were a little young, > but > he felt we were sincere in our request. Adults were being baptized at the > same time we were. Either they had belonged to another denomination that > didn't "dunk" and had to be re-baptized, or they had never been baptized > in > the first place. When we moved to a town that had a Mormon Church, the > whole family had to be baptized again because the LDS Church didn't think > the Baptist minister had the authority from God to baptize. I abstained > that time. One dunking was enough for me. > > So, I can imagine a person could be christened in the Church of England or > a > Catholic church in the 17th century, then re-baptized (dunked) at a later > age. > > Lynne in Tucson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hal McCawley > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:21 PM > To: Lance Kirkwood ; ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > Thanks Bettye. I appreciate your time and kind response. That's good stuff > that I didn't know! > Some questions within your message- > Best, > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA > 760-941-4716 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>; "ANNE EVANS" > <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > >> Dear Hal, >> >> My understanding is even the Baptists usually married in the recognised >> established church to make everything legal.......and they sometimes >> moved >> out of their own neighbourhood to do so.....others will correct me if I >> am >> wrong. >> 15 seems to be the earliest age for Baptist baptisms, or as an >> Adult...but >> whether that was the practice at this particular time I don't know. [I >> reached a concensus of a min age of 13-15 as maturity/understanding and >> thereby est a bd of my gf Wm GEORGE as bef 1696] >> >> The marriage records show that a Thomas George married Margaret Hugh at >> Llandissilio in 1772 but this information came from the Bishop's >> Transcripts >> so probably nothing else was shown on the register. >> >> A Thomas George also married Matilda David at Llandewy Velfrey in 1685 >> ...also from the BT's. >> >> The earliest William George shown on the Pre 1813 Marriages for Narberth >> Hundred [I presume that Narberth is a larger civil district which >> includes >> several parish?] which covers all these areas, was in 1722 at Carew when >> he married >> Catherine Leach [I don't have a hint as to the name of my gf William's >> wife, but the dates fit in perfectly! He is known to be in Pensylvania, >> USA in the late1720s] >>and a John George married Sarah Beynon in 1727 at the same >> place...they may have been brothers. [We could sure use some wills!!] >> >> I suggest you now have a few surnames which you can look up in The >> National >> Library of Wales pre 1858 Wills site [I don't readily find their site, >> anyone have a URL?] on line in a suitable time frame...I >> haven't looked myself...but it is worth a try. You might get some >> understanding of the family.....I recently have seen a few Wills which >> mentioned children who had gone to America..... to receive a bequest only >> if >> they returned home! >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hal McCawley >> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:08 PM >> To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. >> >> Thanks for responding. I just learned that Rhydwilym Chapel has record of >> bapt for- >> 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt >> for >> a >> William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] >> >> 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt >> for >> a >> Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish.Narberth Parish. [ibid] >> >> What would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt >> in >> that era? >> >> Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 >> 760-941-4716 >> Researching GEORGE in Pembrokeshire, Wales >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: ANNE EVANS >> To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:51 AM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. >> >> >> Hello Hal and List, >> If you contact the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth they hold a >> copy >> of the Rhydwilym chapel Registers dating back to approx 1670's. However I >> have studied these myself and was unable to find anyone with surname >> George >> as early as the dates you are looking for i.e. 1720's approx. I may of >> course have missed them. I do not think that this register is complete. >> The email addresss you need is:- >> enquiry@llgc.org.uk >> Yvonne Evans >> >> >> From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> >> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013, 22:45 >> Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. >> >> >> Greetings from America. >> I am researching for my grandfather William GEORGE reportedly b >> 1690-1710 in Pembrokeshire and perhaps bapt at Rhydwilym Chapel. He >> reportedly migrated to America in 1720s. I know nothing of his spouse, >> parents or siblings. >> Could you tell me if these church records are still extant and how I >> might view them? In parish records, Books, Internet.. >> Also, what would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have >> been bapt in that era? >> I appreciate your assistance. >> Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 >> 760-941-4716 USA >> Researching GEORGE in Wales and Pennsylvania, USA >> >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

>From my personal experience with the Baptists, they baptize when a child is old enough to make a personal choice. In my case, it was the age of ten. There were no other churches in the town, so my sister and I were baptized when we asked to be. The pastor told my parents we were a little young, but he felt we were sincere in our request. Adults were being baptized at the same time we were. Either they had belonged to another denomination that didn't "dunk" and had to be re-baptized, or they had never been baptized in the first place. When we moved to a town that had a Mormon Church, the whole family had to be baptized again because the LDS Church didn't think the Baptist minister had the authority from God to baptize. I abstained that time. One dunking was enough for me. So, I can imagine a person could be christened in the Church of England or a Catholic church in the 17th century, then re-baptized (dunked) at a later age. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:21 PM To: Lance Kirkwood ; ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. Thanks Bettye. I appreciate your time and kind response. That's good stuff that I didn't know! Some questions within your message- Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > Dear Hal, > > My understanding is even the Baptists usually married in the recognised > established church to make everything legal.......and they sometimes moved > out of their own neighbourhood to do so.....others will correct me if I am > wrong. > 15 seems to be the earliest age for Baptist baptisms, or as an Adult...but > whether that was the practice at this particular time I don't know. [I > reached a concensus of a min age of 13-15 as maturity/understanding and > thereby est a bd of my gf Wm GEORGE as bef 1696] > > The marriage records show that a Thomas George married Margaret Hugh at > Llandissilio in 1772 but this information came from the Bishop's > Transcripts > so probably nothing else was shown on the register. > > A Thomas George also married Matilda David at Llandewy Velfrey in 1685 > ...also from the BT's. > > The earliest William George shown on the Pre 1813 Marriages for Narberth > Hundred [I presume that Narberth is a larger civil district which includes > several parish?] which covers all these areas, was in 1722 at Carew when > he married > Catherine Leach [I don't have a hint as to the name of my gf William's > wife, but the dates fit in perfectly! He is known to be in Pensylvania, > USA in the late1720s] >and a John George married Sarah Beynon in 1727 at the same > place...they may have been brothers. [We could sure use some wills!!] > > I suggest you now have a few surnames which you can look up in The > National > Library of Wales pre 1858 Wills site [I don't readily find their site, > anyone have a URL?] on line in a suitable time frame...I > haven't looked myself...but it is worth a try. You might get some > understanding of the family.....I recently have seen a few Wills which > mentioned children who had gone to America..... to receive a bequest only > if > they returned home! > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hal McCawley > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:08 PM > To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > Thanks for responding. I just learned that Rhydwilym Chapel has record of > bapt for- > 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for > a > William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] > > 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for > a > Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish.Narberth Parish. [ibid] > > What would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt > in > that era? > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 > Researching GEORGE in Pembrokeshire, Wales > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANNE EVANS > To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Hello Hal and List, > If you contact the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth they hold a copy > of the Rhydwilym chapel Registers dating back to approx 1670's. However I > have studied these myself and was unable to find anyone with surname > George > as early as the dates you are looking for i.e. 1720's approx. I may of > course have missed them. I do not think that this register is complete. > The email addresss you need is:- > enquiry@llgc.org.uk > Yvonne Evans > > > From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013, 22:45 > Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Greetings from America. > I am researching for my grandfather William GEORGE reportedly b > 1690-1710 in Pembrokeshire and perhaps bapt at Rhydwilym Chapel. He > reportedly migrated to America in 1720s. I know nothing of his spouse, > parents or siblings. > Could you tell me if these church records are still extant and how I > might view them? In parish records, Books, Internet.. > Also, what would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have > been bapt in that era? > I appreciate your assistance. > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 USA > Researching GEORGE in Wales and Pennsylvania, USA > > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bettye. I appreciate your time and kind response. That's good stuff that I didn't know! Some questions within your message- Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lance Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac@cox.net>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > Dear Hal, > > My understanding is even the Baptists usually married in the recognised > established church to make everything legal.......and they sometimes moved > out of their own neighbourhood to do so.....others will correct me if I am > wrong. > 15 seems to be the earliest age for Baptist baptisms, or as an Adult...but > whether that was the practice at this particular time I don't know. [I reached a concensus of a min age of 13-15 as maturity/understanding and thereby est a bd of my gf Wm GEORGE as bef 1696] > > The marriage records show that a Thomas George married Margaret Hugh at > Llandissilio in 1772 but this information came from the Bishop's Transcripts > so probably nothing else was shown on the register. > > A Thomas George also married Matilda David at Llandewy Velfrey in 1685 > ...also from the BT's. > > The earliest William George shown on the Pre 1813 Marriages for Narberth > Hundred [I presume that Narberth is a larger civil district which includes several parish?] which covers all these areas, was in 1722 at Carew when he married > Catherine Leach [I don't have a hint as to the name of my gf William's wife, but the dates fit in perfectly! He is known to be in Pensylvania, USA in the late1720s] >and a John George married Sarah Beynon in 1727 at the same > place...they may have been brothers. [We could sure use some wills!!] > > I suggest you now have a few surnames which you can look up in The National > Library of Wales pre 1858 Wills site [I don't readily find their site, anyone have a URL?] on line in a suitable time frame...I > haven't looked myself...but it is worth a try. You might get some > understanding of the family.....I recently have seen a few Wills which > mentioned children who had gone to America..... to receive a bequest only if > they returned home! > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hal McCawley > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:08 PM > To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > Thanks for responding. I just learned that Rhydwilym Chapel has record of > bapt for- > 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a > William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] > > 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a > Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish.Narberth Parish. [ibid] > > What would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt in > that era? > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 > Researching GEORGE in Pembrokeshire, Wales > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ANNE EVANS > To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Hello Hal and List, > If you contact the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth they hold a copy > of the Rhydwilym chapel Registers dating back to approx 1670's. However I > have studied these myself and was unable to find anyone with surname George > as early as the dates you are looking for i.e. 1720's approx. I may of > course have missed them. I do not think that this register is complete. > The email addresss you need is:- > enquiry@llgc.org.uk > Yvonne Evans > > > From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013, 22:45 > Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. > > > Greetings from America. > I am researching for my grandfather William GEORGE reportedly b > 1690-1710 in Pembrokeshire and perhaps bapt at Rhydwilym Chapel. He > reportedly migrated to America in 1720s. I know nothing of his spouse, > parents or siblings. > Could you tell me if these church records are still extant and how I > might view them? In parish records, Books, Internet.. > Also, what would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have > been bapt in that era? > I appreciate your assistance. > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 USA > Researching GEORGE in Wales and Pennsylvania, USA > >

Dear Hal, My understanding is even the Baptists usually married in the recognised established church to make everything legal.......and they sometimes moved out of their own neighbourhood to do so.....others will correct me if I am wrong. 15 seems to be the earliest age for Baptist baptisms, or as an Adult...but whether that was the practice at this particular time I don't know. The marriage records show that a Thomas George married Margaret Hugh at Llandissilio in 1772 but this information came from the Bishop's Transcripts so probably nothing else was shown on the register. A Thomas George also married Matilda David at Llandewy Velfrey in 1685 ...also from the BT's. The earliest William George shown on the Pre 1813 Marriages for Narberth Hundred which covers all these areas, was in 1722 at Carew when he married Catherine Leach and a John George married Sarah Beynon in 1727 at the same place...they may have been brothers. I suggest you now have a few surnames which you can look up in The National Library of Wales pre 1858 Wills site on line in a suitable time frame...I haven't looked myself...but it is worth a try. You might get some understanding of the family.....I recently have seen a few Wills which mentioned children who had gone to America..... to receive a bequest only if they returned home! Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 12:08 PM To: ANNE EVANS ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. Thanks for responding. I just learned that Rhydwilym Chapel has record of bapt for- 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish.Narberth Parish. [ibid] What would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt in that era? Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 Researching GEORGE in Pembrokeshire, Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: ANNE EVANS To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. Hello Hal and List, If you contact the National Library of Wales Aberystwyth they hold a copy of the Rhydwilym chapel Registers dating back to approx 1670's. However I have studied these myself and was unable to find anyone with surname George as early as the dates you are looking for i.e. 1720's approx. I may of course have missed them. I do not think that this register is complete. The email addresss you need is:- enquiry@llgc.org.uk Yvonne Evans From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 18 November 2013, 22:45 Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Pembrokeshire.. Greetings from America. I am researching for my grandfather William GEORGE reportedly b 1690-1710 in Pembrokeshire and perhaps bapt at Rhydwilym Chapel. He reportedly migrated to America in 1720s. I know nothing of his spouse, parents or siblings. Could you tell me if these church records are still extant and how I might view them? In parish records, Books, Internet.. Also, what would have been the minimum age for a Baptist boy to have been bapt in that era? I appreciate your assistance. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 USA Researching GEORGE in Wales and Pennsylvania, USA ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do the records give names of parents?  I would have thought that chapel records would do so. Rachel Boyd CT,USA ________________________________ From: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: george@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGEs of Early 1700s Landissillip Parish, Pembrokeshire, Wales Need help to ID my gf William GEORGE and an unidentified Thomas GEORGE bapt 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish b bef 1696. and, bapt 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. Guidance appreciated. Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Need help to ID my gf William GEORGE and an unidentified Thomas GEORGE bapt 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish b bef 1696. and, bapt 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. Guidance appreciated. Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716