Hal, Where does your information come from? Baptists were Nonconformists and on principle did not frequent their local Parish Church. They believed in adult Baptism when the individual Baptised was old enough to decide for himself whether he subscribed to the beliefs of the Baptist Church. Rhydwilym and Rushacre before it in the 1600's was the mother Chapel of most Baptist Chapels in West Wales, and in its early days drew members from Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire. Some of the members came from 40 or more miles away. Don't assume that because the surname is the same, that they are related. I suggest you start by learning about the Baptist faith, and Rydwilym in particular. There is plenty of information On-line. Just Google. God helps those who help themselves! Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Dec 03 2013, 07:59 PM From: "Hal McCawley" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGE of early 1700s Pembrokeshire Hi Y'all, I need some local education. I have my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish bapt 22 Aug 1709, AND, Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish bapt 17 Aug 1712, both bapt @Rhydwilym Chapel, Pembrokeshire. All appear to be of the Baptist religion? Questions: 1) Why were they not bapt in their local Parish?? 2) Were these Parish adjoining, close..? Map available? 3) Where/how are these Parish records available? Thanks for your assistance. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Thanks Rhodri for your prompt and succinct response. Just what I needed. I greatly appreciate your taking the time to inform me. Will respond within- Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: RHODRI DAFIS To: Hal McCawley ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 2:31 PM Subject: RE: [Dyfed] GEORGE of early 1700s Pembrokeshire Hal, Where does your information come from? The belief that my GEORGE were Baptist comes from tracing my gf William GEORGE through 4 states in USA of Baptist membership. One of these churches was founded by the Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel where my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish was bapt 22 Aug 1709 and Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish bapt 17 Aug 1712 . I believe I understand what you are saying. Can I now assume that that my GEORGEs were residents of Landissillip & Narberth Parish that had no Baptist churches in the 1709-12 era and they attended Rydwilym Chapel as their only church?? Are the records of Rydwilym available? Where/how? Baptists were Nonconformists and on principle did not frequent their local Parish Church. They believed in adult Baptism when the individual Baptised was old enough to decide for himself whether he subscribed to the beliefs of the Baptist Church. Rhydwilym and Rushacre before it in the 1600's was the mother Chapel of most Baptist Chapels in West Wales, and in its early days drew members from Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire. Some of the members came from 40 or more miles away. If there were Baptist Chapels in West Wales in the 1709-12 era? If so, then I must ask why my guys were not bapt there instead of Rhydwilym? Don't assume that because the surname is the same, that they are related. I suggest you start by learning about the Baptist faith, and Rydwilym in particular. There is plenty of information On-line. Just Google. Thanks for reminding me. I often overlook them! God helps those who help themselves! Amen! Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Dec 03 2013, 07:59 PM From: "Hal McCawley" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] GEORGE of early 1700s Pembrokeshire Hi Y'all, I need some local education. I have my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish bapt 22 Aug 1709, AND, Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish bapt 17 Aug 1712, both bapt @Rhydwilym Chapel, Pembrokeshire. All appear to be of the Baptist religion? Questions: 1) Why were they not bapt in their local Parish?? 2) Were these Parish adjoining, close..? Map available? 3) Where/how are these Parish records available? Thanks for your assistance. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Hi Y'all, I need some local education. I have my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish bapt 22 Aug 1709, AND, Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish bapt 17 Aug 1712, both bapt @Rhydwilym Chapel, Pembrokeshire. All appear to be of the Baptist religion? Questions: 1) Why were they not bapt in their local Parish?? 2) Were these Parish adjoining, close..? Map available? 3) Where/how are these Parish records available? Thanks for your assistance. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716

Jennifer, Many families particularly strict nonconformists had skeletons in their cupboards. I have not seen an entry cut or crossed out, but have seen an entry added as a child, when she was a Grandchild. Eldest daughter had an illegitimate son in the late 1830's. He was entered in the bible as a child of his grandmother. The Birth Certificate named his father, but the family would not accept the evidence. It was only when I found his paternal grandfathers will, that named him, his mother and his address, as the illegitimate son of his deceased son, that they accepted the evidence. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Dec 02 2013, 11:25 AM From: "Jennifer Cairns" <jennifercairns@yahoo.com> To: "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: *** SPAM *** [Dyfed] Family Disgrace... On Saturday I was chatting with an acquaintance, who said she had a ancestral relation (from the Lampeter area - don't want to name the exact village!) who had had her name physically cut out of the family bible. Was this a common or "not unheard of" occurrence? Jen ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Hi Yvonne The father was Rev. Daniel Evans, who served as Curate of Cilyaemllwyd, and lived at Blaenafon. His 5th son, Rev. Daniel Griffith Evans followed his father into the church but subsequently diverted into teaching. In 1891 he was described as a Classical and Mathematical Tutor in a school. He died at Yalding, Kent in 1900. I do not know where Daniel Evans, the father, came from. The 1841 census suggests he was not born in Carmarthenshire. I know a lot more about his wife and descendants. Cicely Griffith was one of 5 daughters of Maurice Griffith of Llangolman, whose family were significant landowners in the Llangolman area from the the 17th century. All 5 daughters married and took the Griffith name into their own offspring. Cicely was the most dedicated at preserving her family name, giving the middle name of Griffith to all 7 of her sons. Of the sons, 3 became doctors, 1 a mariner, 1 an engineer, 1 a clergyman, and the other appears to have followed no occupation. I will include below the obituary of the eldest son, Dr Maurice Griffith Evans, which appeared in the British Medical Journal of 1 Apr 1905. Jonathan Pike The death took place on Thursday, March 16th, at the Mount, Caerphilly, of Dr Maurice Griffith Evans, J.P., in his 74th year. He had been suffering from paralysis for some months. Dr Evans was the son of Rev. Daniel Evans, Vicar of Llangolman, and commenced a medical career as an apprentice to his uncle, the late Dr Philips of Newcastle Emlyn. He afterwards proceeded to Guy's Hospital, and became M.R.C.S., L.M., and L.S.A. in 1853. Six years later he graduated M.D. at King's College, Aberdeen. Before settling in practice he served as Resident Surgeon and Apothecary at the Western General Dispensary and in a corresponding position at the Marylebone Infirmary. On the termination of this preliminary work he established himself at Narberth, whence some years later, he moved to Cardiff. In the latter town he practised for some seventeen years with very marked professional and financial success. At the time of his retirement from ordinary work, some twelve years ago, he had attained the position of Consulting Physician to the Brecon County and Borough Infirmary, in the affairs of which he exhibited a marked interest throughout the remainder of his life. He always took a considerable part in public affairs, and he will long be remembered at Caerphilly as a strong magistrate, who took special interest in the protection of animals from unfair usage. He was President of the Cardiff Medical Society in 1881 and 1882, and as long as he was able to get about was a constant attendant at meetings of the British Medical Association, and even attended the gathering at Montreal in 1897. He was an excellent conversationalist, and always ready to assist in every deserving cause, and a very loyal friend, and hence will be much missed by many both in and out of the profession, in spite of the comparative retirement in which he had latterly lived. He was twice married, and is survived by his second wife. He never had any children of his own, but played the part of father to his younger brothers, who were deprived of their natural guardians while still very young. The funeral took place at Caerphilly in the presence of private friends and representatives of local bodies. -----Original Message----- From: ANNE EVANS Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:02 PM To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms Hi List, I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 census was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father or his degrees etc. Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have therefore Daniel's place of birth.. >From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in >1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There is >a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more than once but have failed to find his birth. He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other vicar! best wishes Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul and Yvonne, Blaenavon is the name of his residence in Llandysilio, Carmarthenshire. See: Admin Bond. 'SD1845-57' and Will 'SD1851-297' for his wife Ciceley Evans.who died on 5th May 1851. She may appear in the 1851 Census, as off hand I cannot remember the Census Date. Of possible interest to Yvonne, but lost on you Paul I am afraid is the following Will of Daniel Evans, Coedmawr, Llanddewibrefi. 'SD1831-128' Best wishes, Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Dec 02 2013, 01:28 PM From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> To: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com>, "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>, "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms Sorry I should have said that the Index Entry for Daniel Griffith EVANS was in the March Quarter of 1839. The March Quarter of 1830 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> To: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > Hi again Yvonne! > > Following my ascertaining that there are no ordination papers in the NLW > for > Daniel Evans, I'm copying this to the list in case anyone else can help. I > have checked Alumni Oxoniensis and found the following entry: > > Daniel Griffith EVANS > 5th son of Daniel of Blaenavon, Carmarthenshire. > Jesus College. > Matriculated 17 June 1859 > Age 20 > BA 1862 > MA 1865 > > Now, since he was the 5th son of Daniel Evans and, as none of the > ecclesiastical records show the second forename, Griffith, I wonder > whether > it's possible that you have confused father and son. Assuming Daniel > Griffith was born in or about 1839 and, as he was the 5th son, it seems > highly probable that it is his father whom we have researched up until > now. > In other words, you would be able to obtain the birth certificate for > Daniel > Griffith EVANS since this is likely to be just after the introduction of > registration. > > Since the registration district for Blaenavon was Abergavenny, my guess is > that the entry you want for Daniel is Abergavenny 26/20 though the index > does not give his second forename, Griffith but then neither do any of the > other entries for Daniel EVANS. > > > Best wishes > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> > To: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > > >> Hi Yvonne! >> >> As you may recall I extracted details from the episcopal records in >> connection with the Church of England Database. These did not directly >> involve family information but, as to the career of Daniel Evans, I have >> the following details: >> >> He was ordained Deacon 1 Jul 1822 by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St Davids >> " Priest 21 Sep 1822 by the same bishop when >> he was licensed as Stipendiary Curate for Llanllwyny, Carmarthenshire >> He was licensed to the Curacy of Cilymaenllwyd and Castellyderran 4 >> Sep >> 1829 >> >> Before ordination it would have been necessary for ordination papers to >> have been sent to the Bishop. These would contain testimonials and a >> copy of the Parish Registry entry confirming baptism with, of course >> details of his parents. These records are held in the National Library. >> >> There is no evidence that Daniel was a graduate. In fact, if he had been >> this would certainly have been mentioned in the Episcopal Register. Even >> as late as 1822 there were many ordinands, especially in Wales, without >> degrees, the only qualification was to be "literate". >> >> Since St David's Theological College in Lampeter was only founded in >> 1822, >> Daniel would not have attended that institution. However, as I say, his >> ordiantion papers will give details of his education. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> >> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:02 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms >> >> >> Hi List, >> >> I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 >> census >> was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the >> rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some >> facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father >> or >> his degrees etc. >> Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children >> all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have >> therefore >> Daniel's place of birth.. >>>From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in >>>1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There >>>is a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. >> Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church >> in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was >> resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. >> I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name >> and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more >> than >> once but have failed to find his birth. >> He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my >> family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me >> that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other >> vicar! >> best wishes >> >> >> Yvonne Evans >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Sorry I should have said that the Index Entry for Daniel Griffith EVANS was in the March Quarter of 1839. The March Quarter of 1830 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> To: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com>; "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > Hi again Yvonne! > > Following my ascertaining that there are no ordination papers in the NLW > for > Daniel Evans, I'm copying this to the list in case anyone else can help. I > have checked Alumni Oxoniensis and found the following entry: > > Daniel Griffith EVANS > 5th son of Daniel of Blaenavon, Carmarthenshire. > Jesus College. > Matriculated 17 June 1859 > Age 20 > BA 1862 > MA 1865 > > Now, since he was the 5th son of Daniel Evans and, as none of the > ecclesiastical records show the second forename, Griffith, I wonder > whether > it's possible that you have confused father and son. Assuming Daniel > Griffith was born in or about 1839 and, as he was the 5th son, it seems > highly probable that it is his father whom we have researched up until > now. > In other words, you would be able to obtain the birth certificate for > Daniel > Griffith EVANS since this is likely to be just after the introduction of > registration. > > Since the registration district for Blaenavon was Abergavenny, my guess is > that the entry you want for Daniel is Abergavenny 26/20 though the index > does not give his second forename, Griffith but then neither do any of the > other entries for Daniel EVANS. > > > Best wishes > > Paul > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> > To: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:51 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > > >> Hi Yvonne! >> >> As you may recall I extracted details from the episcopal records in >> connection with the Church of England Database. These did not directly >> involve family information but, as to the career of Daniel Evans, I have >> the following details: >> >> He was ordained Deacon 1 Jul 1822 by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St Davids >> " Priest 21 Sep 1822 by the same bishop when >> he was licensed as Stipendiary Curate for Llanllwyny, Carmarthenshire >> He was licensed to the Curacy of Cilymaenllwyd and Castellyderran 4 >> Sep >> 1829 >> >> Before ordination it would have been necessary for ordination papers to >> have been sent to the Bishop. These would contain testimonials and a >> copy of the Parish Registry entry confirming baptism with, of course >> details of his parents. These records are held in the National Library. >> >> There is no evidence that Daniel was a graduate. In fact, if he had been >> this would certainly have been mentioned in the Episcopal Register. Even >> as late as 1822 there were many ordinands, especially in Wales, without >> degrees, the only qualification was to be "literate". >> >> Since St David's Theological College in Lampeter was only founded in >> 1822, >> Daniel would not have attended that institution. However, as I say, his >> ordiantion papers will give details of his education. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> >> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:02 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms >> >> >> Hi List, >> >> I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 >> census >> was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the >> rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some >> facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father >> or >> his degrees etc. >> Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children >> all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have >> therefore >> Daniel's place of birth.. >>>From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in >>>1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There >>>is a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. >> Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church >> in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was >> resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. >> I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name >> and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more >> than >> once but have failed to find his birth. >> He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my >> family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me >> that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other >> vicar! >> best wishes >> >> >> Yvonne Evans >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Yvonne! Following my ascertaining that there are no ordination papers in the NLW for Daniel Evans, I'm copying this to the list in case anyone else can help. I have checked Alumni Oxoniensis and found the following entry: Daniel Griffith EVANS 5th son of Daniel of Blaenavon, Carmarthenshire. Jesus College. Matriculated 17 June 1859 Age 20 BA 1862 MA 1865 Now, since he was the 5th son of Daniel Evans and, as none of the ecclesiastical records show the second forename, Griffith, I wonder whether it's possible that you have confused father and son. Assuming Daniel Griffith was born in or about 1839 and, as he was the 5th son, it seems highly probable that it is his father whom we have researched up until now. In other words, you would be able to obtain the birth certificate for Daniel Griffith EVANS since this is likely to be just after the introduction of registration. Since the registration district for Blaenavon was Abergavenny, my guess is that the entry you want for Daniel is Abergavenny 26/20 though the index does not give his second forename, Griffith but then neither do any of the other entries for Daniel EVANS. Best wishes Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Vivash" <epvivash@btinternet.com> To: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > Hi Yvonne! > > As you may recall I extracted details from the episcopal records in > connection with the Church of England Database. These did not directly > involve family information but, as to the career of Daniel Evans, I have > the following details: > > He was ordained Deacon 1 Jul 1822 by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St Davids > " Priest 21 Sep 1822 by the same bishop when > he was licensed as Stipendiary Curate for Llanllwyny, Carmarthenshire > He was licensed to the Curacy of Cilymaenllwyd and Castellyderran 4 Sep > 1829 > > Before ordination it would have been necessary for ordination papers to > have been sent to the Bishop. These would contain testimonials and a > copy of the Parish Registry entry confirming baptism with, of course > details of his parents. These records are held in the National Library. > > There is no evidence that Daniel was a graduate. In fact, if he had been > this would certainly have been mentioned in the Episcopal Register. Even > as late as 1822 there were many ordinands, especially in Wales, without > degrees, the only qualification was to be "literate". > > Since St David's Theological College in Lampeter was only founded in 1822, > Daniel would not have attended that institution. However, as I say, his > ordiantion papers will give details of his education. > > Best wishes > > Paul > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:02 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms > > > Hi List, > > I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 census > was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the > rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some > facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father or > his degrees etc. > Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children > all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have therefore > Daniel's place of birth.. >>From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in >>1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There >>is a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. > Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church > in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was > resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. > I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name > and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more than > once but have failed to find his birth. > He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my > family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me > that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other vicar! > best wishes > > > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On Saturday I was chatting with an acquaintance, who said she had a ancestral relation (from the Lampeter area - don't want to name the exact village!) who had had her name physically cut out of the family bible. Was this a common or "not unheard of" occurrence? Jen

Hi List,     I have come across unusual variants in surnames in my own tree. e.g. I had an ancestor who married at New Moat |Pembrokeshire in 1770.  He was John Gibbin who married Martha Harry. John Gibbin was of Henry's Moat parish.  However his daughter Elizabeth became Elizabeth Gibby, and the family and children thereafter became "Gibby".    The surname "Gibby"is  quite frequent in Pembrokeshire . There are however Gibbins still in existence in Pembrokeshire and West Carmarthenshire. Also it seems that   my g.g.g John  Peregrine of Llanycefn/Llandissilio Pembrokeshire had been known as John John in years preceding 1841 census. He therefore took patrynomic susrname(his father's given name having been John. ) However  much to my confusion and confusion of other relatvies studying this line, John John changed his surname to Peregrine by 1841 census!  Does the List believe  that Peregrine could have been the true surname but had been altered to "John" because of local difficulty in spelling and pronouncing "Peregrine"?   Yvonne Evans

And I've just found a poem to Heber Thomas' memory (yn y Gymraeg, wrth gwrs!) This is a very rich resource and I encourage others to trawl, too. Won't get much else done this weekend! David On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:12 am, Megan Roberts <meganroberts.bc@googlemail.com> wrote: > David > > I too am amazed at the detail to be found. > > My gt uncle John Henry Gambold was killed at the Dardanelles, and the newspapers even published a copy of the letter received by his mother from his commander, and then at the end of the war a very poignant "in memorial" placed by the family which I feel sure that every family who lost someone would have felt the same. The poem was: > > He bid no one a last farewell, he said goodbye to none, > His spirit flew before we knew that from us he had gone, > We often think of you, dear John, and of how you died, > To think we could not say goodbye before you closed your eyes. > > It may well be something that was penned by someone else and adapted by the family, or maybe they wrote it themselves. > > Megan > > > > > On 30 November 2013 00:04, David Rowlands <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Diolch, Megan > > I had not seen that before and it has found newspaper items I had not seen before at the LLGC site. > > I was looking for any record of the only relative I know of who fell in Europe in the Great War, one Heber Thomas, lost in October 1917 (Passchendaele), 2nd Lt in the Buffs. He was my Taid's second cousin. I found a remarkable number of items about him and his family. > > His father was Rev David Thomas, who is buried in his home parish of Llangynfelyn but was a peripatetic Methodist minister who had also been in Dolgellau and Denbigh. What was really remarkable was that one newspaper article recording Heber's death even had a photo (awfully poor reproduction and quite useless but the surprise was to see it at all!). Sadly the old boy was in hospital in London when the boy died. The father then lasted only a couple of years. > > This source has yielded new information, though, including that Heber had two sisters and identified who one was married to, so it provided some interesting new leads. > > David > Canberra > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 6:26 pm, Megan Roberts <meganroberts.bc@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > I came across this site and found it most interesting and helpful: > > > > Cymru 1914 - The Welsh Experience of the First World War > > > > cymru1914.org/en/home > > > > regards > > Megan Roberts > > > > > > > -- > Megan Roberts > Mobile: +44 7702 093 714 > Home: +44 1257 231955

Diolch, Megan I had not seen that before and it has found newspaper items I had not seen before at the LLGC site. I was looking for any record of the only relative I know of who fell in Europe in the Great War, one Heber Thomas, lost in October 1917 (Passchendaele), 2nd Lt in the Buffs. He was my Taid's second cousin. I found a remarkable number of items about him and his family. His father was Rev David Thomas, who is buried in his home parish of Llangynfelyn but was a peripatetic Methodist minister who had also been in Dolgellau and Denbigh. What was really remarkable was that one newspaper article recording Heber's death even had a photo (awfully poor reproduction and quite useless but the surprise was to see it at all!). Sadly the old boy was in hospital in London when the boy died. The father then lasted only a couple of years. This source has yielded new information, though, including that Heber had two sisters and identified who one was married to, so it provided some interesting new leads. David Canberra On 29 Nov 2013, at 6:26 pm, Megan Roberts <meganroberts.bc@googlemail.com> wrote: > I came across this site and found it most interesting and helpful: > > Cymru 1914 - The Welsh Experience of the First World War > > cymru1914.org/en/home > > regards > Megan Roberts >

David I too am amazed at the detail to be found. My gt uncle John Henry Gambold was killed at the Dardanelles, and the newspapers even published a copy of the letter received by his mother from his commander, and then at the end of the war a very poignant "in memorial" placed by the family which I feel sure that every family who lost someone would have felt the same. The poem was: He bid no one a last farewell, he said goodbye to none, His spirit flew before we knew that from us he had gone, We often think of you, dear John, and of how you died, To think we could not say goodbye before you closed your eyes. It may well be something that was penned by someone else and adapted by the family, or maybe they wrote it themselves. Megan On 30 November 2013 00:04, David Rowlands <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Diolch, Megan > > I had not seen that before and it has found newspaper items I had not seen > before at the LLGC site. > > I was looking for any record of the only relative I know of who fell in > Europe in the Great War, one Heber Thomas, lost in October 1917 > (Passchendaele), 2nd Lt in the Buffs. He was my Taid's second cousin. I > found a remarkable number of items about him and his family. > > His father was Rev David Thomas, who is buried in his home parish of > Llangynfelyn but was a peripatetic Methodist minister who had also been in > Dolgellau and Denbigh. What was really remarkable was that one newspaper > article recording Heber's death even had a photo (awfully poor reproduction > and quite useless but the surprise was to see it at all!). Sadly the old > boy was in hospital in London when the boy died. The father then lasted > only a couple of years. > > This source has yielded new information, though, including that Heber had > two sisters and identified who one was married to, so it provided some > interesting new leads. > > David > Canberra > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 6:26 pm, Megan Roberts <meganroberts.bc@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > > I came across this site and found it most interesting and helpful: > > > > Cymru 1914 - The Welsh Experience of the First World War > > > > cymru1914.org/en/home > > > > regards > > Megan Roberts > > > > -- Megan Roberts Mobile: +44 7702 093 714 Home: +44 1257 231955

Yvonne Have you looked at the old newspapers at the LLGC? For example, I found this: MARRIED On the 5th inst. at Langolman Church, by the Rev. J. P. Williams, the Rev. Daniel Evans, Curate of Cilmaenllwyd and Castledurrau, to Cicely, second daughter of Maurice Griffith, Esq. of Llangolman, in the county of Pembroke. I'm sure there'd be lots more if you look carefully. Hwyl David Canberra (but formerly of Aberystwyth) On 29 Nov 2013, at 4:02 am, ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi List, > > I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 census was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father or his degrees etc. > Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have therefore Daniel's place of birth.. >> From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in 1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There is a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. > Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. > I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more than once but have failed to find his birth. > He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other vicar! > best wishes > > > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Paul and David for you very helpful replies to me concerning Rev Daniel Evans of Llandysilio East parish Carms.  I have not yet contacted the NLW for extracts from his ordination papers . I noticed that as a young man in his early 20's he was stipendery curate for Llanllwni Parish. Does this mean that  he could have been a native of that parish?  However he stated in 1841 census Llandysilio East that he was not a native of Carms. I know that this could be confusing  because Llandysilio East is Carms but half mile down road it was Llandysilio West Pembrokeshire.    Many thanks   Yvonne

I came across this site and found it most interesting and helpful: Cymru 1914 - The Welsh Experience of the First World War cymru1914.org/en/home regards Megan Roberts

Hi Yvonne! As you may recall I extracted details from the episcopal records in connection with the Church of England Database. These did not directly involve family information but, as to the career of Daniel Evans, I have the following details: He was ordained Deacon 1 Jul 1822 by Thomas Burgess, Bishop of St Davids " Priest 21 Sep 1822 by the same bishop when he was licensed as Stipendiary Curate for Llanllwyny, Carmarthenshire He was licensed to the Curacy of Cilymaenllwyd and Castellyderran 4 Sep 1829 Before ordination it would have been necessary for ordination papers to have been sent to the Bishop. These would contain testimonials and a copy of the Parish Registry entry confirming baptism with, of course details of his parents. These records are held in the National Library. There is no evidence that Daniel was a graduate. In fact, if he had been this would certainly have been mentioned in the Episcopal Register. Even as late as 1822 there were many ordinands, especially in Wales, without degrees, the only qualification was to be "literate". Since St David's Theological College in Lampeter was only founded in 1822, Daniel would not have attended that institution. However, as I say, his ordiantion papers will give details of his education. Best wishes Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Rev Daniel Evans Llandysilio Pembs/Carms Hi List, I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 census was Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father or his degrees etc. Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have therefore Daniel's place of birth.. >From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of Cilymaenllwyd in >1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There is >a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church. Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio parish records more than once but have failed to find his birth. He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other vicar! best wishes Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, A few minutes ago I emailed you to ask for place of birth etc for Daniel Evans Vicar Llangolmn parish. I omitted to give his year of birth. It was 1802 - 1805 approx.   Yvonne Evans

Hi List,   I am trying to trace a Rev Daniel Griffith Evans whose home in 1841 census was  Blaenavon Llandysilio East Parish, Carmarthenshire. This was the rectory for Cilymaenllwyd parish and Church. I have managed to find some facts on him through Alumni records but they did not give me his father or his degrees etc. Daniel had died by 1851 census leaving a widow Cicily Evans and children all living in Blaenavon Llandissilio East in 1851. I do not have therefore Daniel's place of birth..  From the Alumni facts, I could see that he was curate of   Cilymaenllwyd in 1820's. and later he was Vicar of Llangolman Pembrokeshire parish. There is a wall plaque to his memory inside Llangolman church.   Daniel married Cicily Griffiths of Llangolman parish at Llangolman church in 1830. The entry stated he was of Llandysilio but probably he was resident at Blaenavon Vicerage before his marriage. I should be very grateful if anyone can supply me with his father's name and place of birth.. I have looked at Llandysilio  parish records more than once but have failed to find his birth. He may be a member of my family tree as he has same christian names as my family from Llandissilio(Daniel Griffith) and also grandfather told me that there was a vicar in the tree. I have failed to find any other vicar! best wishes     Yvonne Evans

Hello list, Wonder if somebody can find my Mary Evans (nee Samuel) in one of the above censusrecords. In 1861 she was at Parkstreet, Llanelly. Age 30. Formerly house servant. Her husband had already died in 1857, only 22. I know of a daugther Elisabeth and son James born in 1856 and 1857. James was baptise at St Elli's Dec 21st 1857. Elwyn - netherlands.