I'm embarrassed by the response posted to Hal McCawley. This has been such a friendly and helpful list which is one of the reasons I believe it has remained so active in the past. I know that Rhodri is one of the listers who have been very helpful to many people. I have received so much assistance, at time asking questions that probably seem ignorant beyond measure to some people who are more experienced than I am or who live in the UK and therefore understand cultural and physical layout etc. better than I do. I appreciate the incredible patience that people have had with me. I have more than likely repeated posts when coming back to things or from having such a bulk of information I was looking for. Mr. McCawley said "suggestions greatly appreciated". Maybe he hoped for a different suggestion? If Mr. McCawley repeated a question, maybe he didn't understand the answer, maybe he was hoping for some different input from someone, maybe he didn't understand the input, maybe he printed it out and his cat ate it or his teen-age son deleted it or.... Since we don't have any idea why, I'd like to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he is still needing the information and if we don't understand why, kindly ask him. It's just so much more pleasant that way for everybody in my personal opinion. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > (RHODRI DAFIS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:37:19 +0100 > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, > Wales > To: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net>, dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1436656.15831389404239372.JavaMail.www@wwinf3709> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hal, > If you want to view the original records, it is a simple series of steps. > 1. You arrange an appointment at the NLW. > 2. You book a flight to the UK. > 3. You hire a Car and Drive to Aberystwyth and keep the appointment. > Simple. > You have been given the information, by me and probably others that these > records have been filmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. > You can view copies at Utah, again by appointment. > Try Googling the Local Family History Centre that comes under the Umbrella > of the Latter Day Saints. > A bit of initiative goes a long way, and could say you a lot of money in > travelling fares. > This Forum is here to answer questions from anyone once, and not to keep > answering the same question time after time. > Do you now understand why you have not a reply to your latest post? > Rhodri > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jan 09 2014, 01:30 AM > From: "Hal McCawley" > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > Anyone know how to view these records?? > Researching- > Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish > on 22 Aug 1709, and > > 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. > > The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel > christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating 1667-1823 > (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). > Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html[Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Rhodri > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > *********************************** >

Hi there I am researching the name GRIGG specially a John who built metal mills.  I would be pleased to hear from anyone who knows about John Grigg and his metal mills, especially Russell who was doing research.   Beryl

Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: 1. Tabernacle Independent Chapel, Cefneithin, Carmarthenshire (photography by John Ball) 2. Salem Baptist Chapel, Hay-on-Wye, Breconshire (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm and scroll down the index to the relevant Cefneithin and Hay-on-Wye links. My 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features well over three hundred churches and chapels, with at least another fifty in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: www.blfhs.co.uk/

Hal, If you want to view the original records, it is a simple series of steps. 1. You arrange an appointment at the NLW. 2. You book a flight to the UK. 3. You hire a Car and Drive to Aberystwyth and keep the appointment. Simple. You have been given the information, by me and probably others that these records have been filmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. You can view copies at Utah, again by appointment. Try Googling the Local Family History Centre that comes under the Umbrella of the Latter Day Saints. A bit of initiative goes a long way, and could say you a lot of money in travelling fares. This Forum is here to answer questions from anyone once, and not to keep answering the same question time after time. Do you now understand why you have not a reply to your latest post? Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 09 2014, 01:30 AM From: "Hal McCawley" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales Anyone know how to view these records?? Researching- Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish on 22 Aug 1709, and 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating 1667-1823 (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). Suggestions greatly appreciated. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Probably they would have sailed by coastal shipping from any of the harbours in Pembrokeshire to the major ports of the day: Bristol, Liverpool, perhaps Plymouth or even London. As the shipping records generally do not survive, due to a Custom House fire in London in 1814, this is very difficult to research for so early a time period. Newspaper do not survive. Port Books survive for Wales in Class E 190 at the National Archives but it is rare for them to list people, they are all to do with import / export of goods. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Hal McCawley [mailto:HalMac@Cox.net] Sent: 09 January 2014 01:01 To: Brian Swann; 'REGINALD DAVIES'; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Pembroke Ports used for migration to USA in the 1680-1740 era Could you perhaps tell me what was the popular ports in Pembroke for migration to USA in the 1680-1740 era? Researching GEORGE of 1680-1730 Pembroke to Philadelphia/New York United States Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swann" <bps@norvic8.force9.co.uk> To: "'REGINALD DAVIES'" <regandpaddy@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Dear Reg This is quite hard to track down, but I could find this information from the Trove database. SHIPWRECK. New Ross, Dec. 18. Arrived at the quay at Ross yesterday, the barque Tottenham, from Quebec. Fell in with and spoke, on the 27th ult., in lat. 42. 44. N. long. 36. 41. W, the British Man-of-War, Star, a complete wreck, having lost masts, bowsprit, bulwarks, boats and apparently every article, fore and aft, from her deck. Capt. Thomas attempted to near her and take her in tow, but owing to the distressed state of his own vessel, having struck on Barrett's Ledge, and making much water, he found it impossible to do so. After repeated ineffectual efforts to render him assistance, wore off the 'Tottenham' having hoisted a small square sail on the stump of his foremast, and steered S. S. E. There seemed to be from 15 to 20 men on her deck. Other accounts describe the vessel in distress to be H.M.S. Sprey; it is supposed she must have encountered an iceberg or been run foul of in the very boisterous weather which has prevailed on the Coast of Newfoundland [The Sydney Monitor, 23 July 1836]. Given this, I wonder if Caperton is an error for Cape Breton Island, which would seem to fit in with where the Tottenham might have sailed and a likely place to get shipwrecked if sailing to Quebec. Further work requires looking at the earlier hard copy volumes of Lloyds Register of Shipping which are not online at the CLIP Project, the Ship's Registers in Class BT 107, etc., or the Index to Lloyds List at the Guildhall Library. As always, it depends where this original statement about the shipwreck was gathered from. Perhaps the folk who wrote down what was said at Cork did not care too much, or they found the Welsh accent of Evan Evans too difficult to cope with. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of REGINALD DAVIES Sent: 29 December 2013 22:05 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Not that long ago the applications by master mariners and mates for their certificates of competency or service became available on Ancestry.com. These applications can include very useful addresses and precise dates of birth. Consider the following enquiry from Australia. The enquirer knew that her ancestor Evan Evans was a master mariner. His wife and family had settled at Collingwood, Melbourne, they had had at least three children one of whom Jane had been born at Cork in 1841. The other children were Sarah Frances Evans was born 1849, and Robert Evans or John Robert Evans born 1854, no place of birth for them is known. Mary died in 1858 and was described as a widow. A search though all the maritime records on Find my Past and Ancestry showed that over 95% of all mariners called Evan Evans had been born in Wales. A search in our Welsh mariners website yielded a few candidates. The application by one of the them was quite intriguing. He was Evan Evans of Aberdovey, Cardiganshire (sic). Is there an Aberdovey in this county? Born on 18 Sept 1802 he was an apprentice on the Hopewell of Aberdovey from 1813-19. Thereafter he sailed as a mate or master on New Ross, Ireland, registered vessels. The last vessel shown on his application in 1850 was as master of the Tottenham of Cork between 1845-50, most of the Irish sailings were to North America. He therefore became a strong candidate. Remarkably amongst his application papers was a declaration he had made at the Police Office, Borough of Cork, that his master mariner's certificate had been lost by the wreck of the ship Tottenham at the island of Caperton (where is this?) on 16 October 1854. He was granted a new certificate early in 1855 but the Board of Trade records did not shown any further sailings. Nothing is known about his fate or even if he ever arrived at Australia with his wife and family. Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ________________________________ ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anyone know how to view these records?? Researching- Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish on 22 Aug 1709, and 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating 1667-1823 (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). Suggestions greatly appreciated. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716

Could you perhaps tell me what was the popular ports in Pembroke for migration to USA in the 1680-1740 era? Researching GEORGE of 1680-1730 Pembroke to Philadelphia/New York United States Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Swann" <bps@norvic8.force9.co.uk> To: "'REGINALD DAVIES'" <regandpaddy@btinternet.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Dear Reg This is quite hard to track down, but I could find this information from the Trove database. SHIPWRECK. New Ross, Dec. 18. Arrived at the quay at Ross yesterday, the barque Tottenham, from Quebec. Fell in with and spoke, on the 27th ult., in lat. 42. 44. N. long. 36. 41. W, the British Man-of-War, Star, a complete wreck, having lost masts, bowsprit, bulwarks, boats and apparently every article, fore and aft, from her deck. Capt. Thomas attempted to near her and take her in tow, but owing to the distressed state of his own vessel, having struck on Barrett's Ledge, and making much water, he found it impossible to do so. After repeated ineffectual efforts to render him assistance, wore off the 'Tottenham' having hoisted a small square sail on the stump of his foremast, and steered S. S. E. There seemed to be from 15 to 20 men on her deck. Other accounts describe the vessel in distress to be H.M.S. Sprey; it is supposed she must have encountered an iceberg or been run foul of in the very boisterous weather which has prevailed on the Coast of Newfoundland [The Sydney Monitor, 23 July 1836]. Given this, I wonder if Caperton is an error for Cape Breton Island, which would seem to fit in with where the Tottenham might have sailed and a likely place to get shipwrecked if sailing to Quebec. Further work requires looking at the earlier hard copy volumes of Lloyds Register of Shipping which are not online at the CLIP Project, the Ship's Registers in Class BT 107, etc., or the Index to Lloyds List at the Guildhall Library. As always, it depends where this original statement about the shipwreck was gathered from. Perhaps the folk who wrote down what was said at Cork did not care too much, or they found the Welsh accent of Evan Evans too difficult to cope with. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of REGINALD DAVIES Sent: 29 December 2013 22:05 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Not that long ago the applications by master mariners and mates for their certificates of competency or service became available on Ancestry.com. These applications can include very useful addresses and precise dates of birth. Consider the following enquiry from Australia. The enquirer knew that her ancestor Evan Evans was a master mariner. His wife and family had settled at Collingwood, Melbourne, they had had at least three children one of whom Jane had been born at Cork in 1841. The other children were Sarah Frances Evans was born 1849, and Robert Evans or John Robert Evans born 1854, no place of birth for them is known. Mary died in 1858 and was described as a widow. A search though all the maritime records on Find my Past and Ancestry showed that over 95% of all mariners called Evan Evans had been born in Wales. A search in our Welsh mariners website yielded a few candidates. The application by one of the them was quite intriguing. He was Evan Evans of Aberdovey, Cardiganshire (sic). Is there an Aberdovey in this county? Born on 18 Sept 1802 he was an apprentice on the Hopewell of Aberdovey from 1813-19. Thereafter he sailed as a mate or master on New Ross, Ireland, registered vessels. The last vessel shown on his application in 1850 was as master of the Tottenham of Cork between 1845-50, most of the Irish sailings were to North America. He therefore became a strong candidate. Remarkably amongst his application papers was a declaration he had made at the Police Office, Borough of Cork, that his master mariner's certificate had been lost by the wreck of the ship Tottenham at the island of Caperton (where is this?) on 16 October 1854. He was granted a new certificate early in 1855 but the Board of Trade records did not shown any further sailings. Nothing is known about his fate or even if he ever arrived at Australia with his wife and family. Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ________________________________ ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarah, As it happens, I, Simon Carter and Bettye Kirkwood, are trying to tie all the Devonald's together. I would be delighted to have copies of the images. Rhodri. PS. No need to send to send them to all of us, I will pass them on. If however anyone else shows an interest, I would appreciate if you would copy me in. ======================================== Message Received: Jan 05 2014, 01:36 PM From: "Sarah Reay" To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] DEVONALD gravestone at GLANRHYD BAPTIST CHAPEL Hello List, HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all! Just a little something from last year that might help the DEVONALD researchers on the list? Whilst at Glanrhyd Baptist Chapel, near Lampeter Velfrey in Pembrokeshire, looking for my Williams family, I came across a solitary DEVONALD grave. I photographed it too - should it be of any use for anyone. The names on the gravestone were: ENOCH DEVONALD FRANCIS DEVONALD (wife) DAVID DEVONALD (son) NAOMI DEVONALD (daughter) LILY DEVONALD If anyone is interested, I can send a photograph of the gravestone to you off list. Best wishes, Sarah in Northumberland. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Hello List, HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all! Just a little something from last year that might help the DEVONALD researchers on the list? Whilst at Glanrhyd Baptist Chapel, near Lampeter Velfrey in Pembrokeshire, looking for my Williams family, I came across a solitary DEVONALD grave. I photographed it too - should it be of any use for anyone. The names on the gravestone were: ENOCH DEVONALD FRANCIS DEVONALD (wife) DAVID DEVONALD (son) NAOMI DEVONALD (daughter) LILY DEVONALD If anyone is interested, I can send a photograph of the gravestone to you off list. Best wishes, Sarah in Northumberland. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 18 December 2013 08:00, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Richard Rose (Joy) > 2. Re: Richard Rose (Sandra Davies) > > Dear Lister, Having been diverted from normal activities have been catching up and was really sad to read about the death of Richard Rose. I found him a kind and generous person and will miss his helpful contributions on the List. Many thanks to Joy for letting us know. Edward

Hi List, It's been a long time since I posted a request on the list, but always look at others posting, good to see the list is "healthy" Anyway, I'm looking for the elusive birth of an ancestor, namely Elizabeth Lewis wife of John Belt, married 1847 - their marriage certificate indicates she was born in Coxlake near Robeston Wathen the place they married, but a father is not stated Census details suggests she was born around 1829, the nearest I can find in the 1841 census is in Coxlake where an Elizabeth Lewis aged 9 (to young but age maybe wrong) is in the same household as a David & Elizabeth Lewis, suggesting they could be the parents. Can anyone throw light on a birth/baptism record for this period that may point to the 1841 census record being a possibility Look forward to any replies Regards Kevin

Reg, Brian is correct about Cape Breton. The following paragraph is contained in the link below which refers to 1854. ...The third was the barque "Tottenham," from Cork, with 101 passengers, lost near Port Nova, Cape Breton, on the 20th October, passengers and luggage all saved. They were forwarded by the master by a schooner to Halifax, and from thence proceeded to Boston, their destination being chiefly to the United States. A large number of shipwrecked emigrants have been brought to this port taken from ships bound to Boston or New York. http://jubilation.uwaterloo.ca/~marj/genealogy/reports/report1854.html Derek -----Original Message----- From: Brian Swann Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 1:04 PM To: 'REGINALD DAVIES' ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Dear Reg This is quite hard to track down, but I could find this information from the Trove database. SHIPWRECK. New Ross, Dec. 18. Arrived at the quay at Ross yesterday, the barque Tottenham, from Quebec. Fell in with and spoke, on the 27th ult., in lat. 42. 44. N. long. 36. 41. W, the British Man-of-War, Star, a complete wreck, having lost masts, bowsprit, bulwarks, boats and apparently every article, fore and aft, from her deck. Capt. Thomas attempted to near her and take her in tow, but owing to the distressed state of his own vessel, having struck on Barrett's Ledge, and making much water, he found it impossible to do so. After repeated ineffectual efforts to render him assistance, wore off the 'Tottenham' having hoisted a small square sail on the stump of his foremast, and steered S. S. E. There seemed to be from 15 to 20 men on her deck. Other accounts describe the vessel in distress to be H.M.S. Sprey; it is supposed she must have encountered an iceberg or been run foul of in the very boisterous weather which has prevailed on the Coast of Newfoundland [The Sydney Monitor, 23 July 1836]. Given this, I wonder if Caperton is an error for Cape Breton Island, which would seem to fit in with where the Tottenham might have sailed and a likely place to get shipwrecked if sailing to Quebec. Further work requires looking at the earlier hard copy volumes of Lloyds Register of Shipping which are not online at the CLIP Project, the Ship's Registers in Class BT 107, etc., or the Index to Lloyds List at the Guildhall Library. As always, it depends where this original statement about the shipwreck was gathered from. Perhaps the folk who wrote down what was said at Cork did not care too much, or they found the Welsh accent of Evan Evans too difficult to cope with. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of REGINALD DAVIES Sent: 29 December 2013 22:05 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Not that long ago the applications by master mariners and mates for their certificates of competency or service became available on Ancestry.com. These applications can include very useful addresses and precise dates of birth. Consider the following enquiry from Australia. The enquirer knew that her ancestor Evan Evans was a master mariner. His wife and family had settled at Collingwood, Melbourne, they had had at least three children one of whom Jane had been born at Cork in 1841. The other children were Sarah Frances Evans was born 1849, and Robert Evans or John Robert Evans born 1854, no place of birth for them is known. Mary died in 1858 and was described as a widow. A search though all the maritime records on Find my Past and Ancestry showed that over 95% of all mariners called Evan Evans had been born in Wales. A search in our Welsh mariners website yielded a few candidates. The application by one of the them was quite intriguing. He was Evan Evans of Aberdovey, Cardiganshire (sic). Is there an Aberdovey in this county? Born on 18 Sept 1802 he was an apprentice on the Hopewell of Aberdovey from 1813-19. Thereafter he sailed as a mate or master on New Ross, Ireland, registered vessels. The last vessel shown on his application in 1850 was as master of the Tottenham of Cork between 1845-50, most of the Irish sailings were to North America. He therefore became a strong candidate. Remarkably amongst his application papers was a declaration he had made at the Police Office, Borough of Cork, that his master mariner's certificate had been lost by the wreck of the ship Tottenham at the island of Caperton (where is this?) on 16 October 1854. He was granted a new certificate early in 1855 but the Board of Trade records did not shown any further sailings. Nothing is known about his fate or even if he ever arrived at Australia with his wife and family. Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ________________________________ ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Reg This is quite hard to track down, but I could find this information from the Trove database. SHIPWRECK. New Ross, Dec. 18. Arrived at the quay at Ross yesterday, the barque Tottenham, from Quebec. Fell in with and spoke, on the 27th ult., in lat. 42. 44. N. long. 36. 41. W, the British Man-of-War, Star, a complete wreck, having lost masts, bowsprit, bulwarks, boats and apparently every article, fore and aft, from her deck. Capt. Thomas attempted to near her and take her in tow, but owing to the distressed state of his own vessel, having struck on Barrett's Ledge, and making much water, he found it impossible to do so. After repeated ineffectual efforts to render him assistance, wore off the 'Tottenham' having hoisted a small square sail on the stump of his foremast, and steered S. S. E. There seemed to be from 15 to 20 men on her deck. Other accounts describe the vessel in distress to be H.M.S. Sprey; it is supposed she must have encountered an iceberg or been run foul of in the very boisterous weather which has prevailed on the Coast of Newfoundland [The Sydney Monitor, 23 July 1836]. Given this, I wonder if Caperton is an error for Cape Breton Island, which would seem to fit in with where the Tottenham might have sailed and a likely place to get shipwrecked if sailing to Quebec. Further work requires looking at the earlier hard copy volumes of Lloyds Register of Shipping which are not online at the CLIP Project, the Ship's Registers in Class BT 107, etc., or the Index to Lloyds List at the Guildhall Library. As always, it depends where this original statement about the shipwreck was gathered from. Perhaps the folk who wrote down what was said at Cork did not care too much, or they found the Welsh accent of Evan Evans too difficult to cope with. Brian -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of REGINALD DAVIES Sent: 29 December 2013 22:05 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Applications by masters for certificates Not that long ago the applications by master mariners and mates for their certificates of competency or service became available on Ancestry.com. These applications can include very useful addresses and precise dates of birth. Consider the following enquiry from Australia. The enquirer knew that her ancestor Evan Evans was a master mariner. His wife and family had  settled at Collingwood, Melbourne, they had had at least three children one of whom Jane had been born at Cork in 1841. The other children were Sarah Frances Evans was born 1849, and Robert Evans or John Robert Evans born 1854, no place of birth for them is known. Mary died in 1858 and was described as a widow. A search though all the maritime records on Find my Past and Ancestry showed that over 95% of all mariners called Evan Evans had been born in Wales. A search in our Welsh mariners website yielded a few candidates. The application by one of the them was quite intriguing. He was Evan Evans of Aberdovey, Cardiganshire (sic). Is there an Aberdovey in this county? Born on 18 Sept 1802 he was an apprentice on the Hopewell of Aberdovey from 1813-19. Thereafter he sailed as a mate or master on New Ross, Ireland, registered vessels. The last vessel shown on his application in 1850 was as master of  the Tottenham of Cork between 1845-50, most of the Irish sailings were to North America. He therefore became a strong candidate. Remarkably amongst his application papers was a declaration he had made at the Police Office, Borough of Cork, that his master mariner's certificate had been lost by the wreck of the ship Tottenham at the island of Caperton (where is this?) on 16 October 1854. He was granted a new certificate early in 1855 but the Board of Trade records did not shown any further sailings. Nothing is known about his fate or even if he ever arrived at Australia with his wife and family. Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ________________________________ ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not that long ago the applications by master mariners and mates for their certificates of competency or service became available on Ancestry.com. These applications can include very useful addresses and precise dates of birth. Consider the following enquiry from Australia. The enquirer knew that her ancestor Evan Evans was a master mariner. His wife and family had  settled at Collingwood, Melbourne, they had had at least three children one of whom Jane had been born at Cork in 1841. The other children were Sarah Frances Evans was born 1849, and Robert Evans or John Robert Evans born 1854, no place of birth for them is known. Mary died in 1858 and was described as a widow. A search though all the maritime records on Find my Past and Ancestry showed that over 95% of all mariners called Evan Evans had been born in Wales. A search in our Welsh mariners website yielded a few candidates. The application by one of the them was quite intriguing. He was Evan Evans of Aberdovey, Cardiganshire (sic). Is there an Aberdovey in this county? Born on 18 Sept 1802 he was an apprentice on the Hopewell of Aberdovey from 1813-19. Thereafter he sailed as a mate or master on New Ross, Ireland registered vessels. The last vessel shown on his application in 1850 was as master of  the Tottenham of Cork between 1845-50, most of the Irish sailings were to North America. He therefore became a strong candidate. Remarkably amongst his application papers was a declaration he had made at the Police Office, Borough of Cork that his master mariner's certificate had been lost by the wreck of the ship Tottenham at the island of Caperton (where is this?) on 16 October 1854. He was granted a new certificate early in 1855 but the Board of trade records did not shown any further sailings. Nothing is known about his fate or even if he ever arrived at Australia with his wife and family. Reg Davies http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ ________________________________

For those of us with ancestors connected with Pembroke Dock 2014 will be an interesting year as it is the bi-centenary of the opening of the dockyard and a committee has been formed to co-ordinate the various events which are listed on their website. http://www.pembrokedock.org/bicentenary/program.htm "The History of Pembroke Dock" written by Mrs Stuart Peters and published in 1905 has been for many of us an invaluable source of information. It has been out of print for a very long time but it has now been republished by the committee, although I could not find it on their website. However it is available on the Sunderland Trust website http://www.sunderlandtrust.org.uk/products/category-books/ You will have to scroll to the very bottom of the page to find it. The Bi-Centenary Committee have alsoobtained an award from the Heritage lottery fund to honour this historic milestone by producing a 3D digital reconstruction of the former Royal Dockyard and the earliest streets and buildings in the town, in partnership with De Montfort University Leicester's Digital Heritage Department whowill be using the latest technology including 3D laser scanning and virtual reality simulation. Eventually it will be availableon line. http://www.thedock.org.uk/digital/index.htm Kind regards Joy

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my late paternal Grandparents were Christmas Owen - born 25th December 1901 and Mary born 1908 and thanks to Christmas' never ending tales of "he's related to us" "they are family" started my fascination/obsession with family tree research.. and I am still struggling to confirm the connections of some of those tales. Many thanks to everyone on this list for sharing their research problems/success stories and giving advice so freely over the last year. Merry Christmas/ Nadolig Llawen. Melresearching various surnames in North Pembrokeshire...

Thanks to Brian Swann's e-mail (extract below), I ordered my copy of "The Surnames of Wales" on-line at 4.30 pm on Sunday and it's just been delivered in Oxfordshire at 12.50 on Tuesday - how's that for service! Thank you Gomer Press. I shall spend Christmas reading it avidly. A very happy Christmas to all our readers and good hunting (for our forebears) in the new year. Gerry Lewis > >I don't think I have seen it posted anywhere else yet, but John and Sheila >Rowlands revised 2nd Edition book on The Surnames of Wales has just been >published. It is a real gem, and for example has a wonderful map showing >how the use of patronymics dropped out across Wales from 1600 to 1850 in >fifty year contour lines, based on a huge survey of wills from the NLW. >Of >course, chock full of useful ideas based on a lifetime of research in this >field. > >http://www.gomer.co.uk/index.php/ is the link > > >John Rowlands will be speaking at WDYTYA 2014 on Thursday 20th February at >4.15-5.00 pm on: >

Dear Elizabeth, Your reply to Simon went straight to my Junk Mail section....luckily I looked at it. I did notice the name of Samuel Price......he was Thomas Devonald's partner in London....presumably London UK, unless there was one in the USA as well. I wonder if he went to the USA on business after Thomas Devonald died. A Baptist John Devonald went to Welsh Tract, Pennsylvania in the early 1700's...his wife was Mary whom nobody has identified pre-marriage...and they established themselves and their family there and their children have been well investigated by their American descendants. The convict John Devonald who was transported to Australia, never to be allowed back into Great Britain, astounded me when I found he and his wife, Sarah, returning as passengers from a visit to America.....I have never found how they left Australian Shores or the reason for their trip. This was in the mid. 1800's. If any of these pop into your research, please advise. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Eliz Hanebury Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 10:36 AM To: rdafis@fsmail.net Cc: Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 I will work on this more tomorrow Rees is so common as is Price being Welsh in early PA is to be a sardine in a school of Sardines <G> The way I read it, it is more that something about him appeared in 1794, not so much a passenger manifest. I think this explains it Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention in the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) to 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and Limited Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). This URL might give you COD likely Yellow Fever http://quod.lib.umich.edu/c/clementsmss/umich-wcl-M-1898fis?view=text em you will need to read it but it has this in the index (1799???? what the?) Devonald, Thomas, d. 1793 - 1794 May 25 - 1799 January 17 This will get you a copy of the 1791 Philly directory in transcription but you can hunt the Rees Google found this (odd but maybe useful, after all Christ Church is Episcopal) http://archive.org/stream/earlybaptistsofp00spen/earlybaptistsofp00spen_djvu.txt >From this excellent epistle, the first of the kind extant in this country, has sprung the various styles of circular letters now furnished in our different Associational meetings. All those of the Philadelphia Association would, if gathered together, furnish a valuable, interesting and profitable book. In 1729, for the first time, the names of the messengers (twenty-two in all) to the Association appear. They are as follows : — Jno. David, Ben Stelle, Owen Thomas, Geo. Hugh, Gershom Mott, Joseph Eaton, Jno. Devonald, John Welledge, Wm. Kinnersley, Samuel Osgood, John Clarkson, John Holmes, Jeremiah Kollet, John Bartholomew, John Heart, Robert Chalfant, Elisha Thomas, George Eaton, Dickison Shephard, Jenkin Jones, Ebenezer Smith, Simon Butler. Eliz From greater Downtown Bart, Lancaster Co., PA 45 miles from Philly <G> it is fun to do local work!! Not Today and Not without a Fight (Anon) For all that has been, thanks. For all that will be, yes. (Dag Hammarskjold) On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:53 PM, RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> wrote: > Elizabeth, > > You quote: > > "Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years" > > You then give: > > "Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and > Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33" > > How could Thomas Devonald buried in Philadelphia in October 1793 arrive in > the USA in 1794? > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Dec 22 2013, 08:06 PM > From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: "Simon Carter" <s.n.carter@btinternet.com> > Cc: "Dyfed" <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 > > The record Ancestry has is 1794 and appears to be his death proving he > was > in the Colony rather than an actual arrival. > > If you are a brave and determined researcher, familysearch.org has the > Philadelphia ship records > Do you have this: > > Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > Here Lie the remains of > THOMAS DEVONALD > late Merchant of this city > Who was born > Near Haverford West Pembrokeshire South Wales > Died the 11th day of October 1793 > aged 34 years > > Source Information: > Ancestry.com. Philadelphia, Tombstone Inscriptions from Christ Church > [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002. > Original data: Clark, Edward L. Record of the Inscriptions on the Tablets > and Grave-stones in the Burial-Grounds of Christ Church, Philadelphia. > Philadelphia, PA, USA: Colines, Printer, 1864 > > He also gets a mention in English Estates of American Colonists, > 1700-1799 > > Name: Thomas Devonald Arrival Year: 1794 Arrival Place: Philadelphia, > Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1224.2 Primary Immigrant: > Devonald, > Thomas Annotation: Date and place of death or date and place of mention > in > the New World. Extracted from Administration Act Books: PROB 6/76 (1700) > to > 175 (1799); Probate Act Books: PROB 8/93 (1700) to 192 (1799); and > Limited > Probate Act Book: PROB 9/1 (1781). Name and mari Source Bibliography: > COLDHAM, > PETER WILSON. English Estates of American Colonists, American Wills and > Administrations in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, 1700-1799. > Baltimore, MD: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., 1980. 140p. Page: 33 > > Pennsylvania records at > https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=23 > There is a lot to be seen > Pennsylvania, Births and Christenings, 1709-1950 951,480 09 Mar > 2012 > Pennsylvania, County Marriages, 1885-1950 2,221,287 08 Sep 2012 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Naturalization Indexes, 1795-1952 > 231,641 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Eastern District Petitions for Naturalization, 1795-1931 > Browse Images 09 Dec 2011 > Pennsylvania, Marriages, 1709-1940 476,245 09 Mar 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Case Files of Chinese Immigrants, 1900-1923 > Browse Images 15 Apr 2011 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Births, 1860-1906 1,022,168 24 Jun > 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia City Death Certificates, 1803-1915 > 2,442,468 28 Jun 2012 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Marriage Indexes, 1885-1951 1,830,468 02 > Mar 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger List Index Cards, 1883-1948 > 1,153,207 29 Apr 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1882 489,494 20 > Mar > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1883-1945 971,459 26 > Sep > 2013 > Pennsylvania, Pittsburgh City Deaths, 1870-1905 164,487 05 Nov 2013 > Pennsylvania, Probate Records, 1683-1994 > > Eliz > Not Today and Not without a Fight > (Anon) > > For all that has been, thanks. > For all that will be, yes. > (Dag Hammarskjold) > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Simon Carter <s.n.carter@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a World-wide sub to Ancestry and could do a look-up? > > > > I am trying to find a bit more about Thomas Devonald, a linen draper of > > London (but born near Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire) who died in > > Philadelphia 11 Oct 1793. His will was proved PCC on 21 Feb 1794 (I > have a > > copy from TNA - PROB11/1241), but he is buried in Christ Church grave > yard, > > Philadelphia (I also have the MI). But Ancestry have an Immigration & > > Travel entry for a Thomas Devonald to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (I do > not > > have the date, but I guess it's probably going to be 1792). > > This may tell me very little (it might even be the wrong man), but it > > would be useful to find out. > > > > If anyone is looking at this man in their research, I would love to > hear > > from you. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Simon Carter > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Rhodri > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Gerry, Happy to wish you a Merry Christmas once again.....and yes, you have settled on the marriage for Thomas Devonald's parents. George Devonald was the Agent for the Picton Castle estate which isn't surprising when you know that the Devonald ancestry contains the Picton Castle and Cil Sant Philipps lines...but George must have been efficient to keep the job for so long. You know well my Devonald interests. (I have yet to fill Simon in on Henry Devonald and your help with some of Henry's ancestry). Can you remind me who your ggg. aunt and first cousin four times removed actually were? Does this connect to Henry? My research is packed away whilst my 7 year old grandaughter and I jostle for supremacy on this computer....The Welsh versus the Moshie Monsters. As well as Thomas Devonald's American life, I would like to know more about his mother's family. Their relatives and acquaintances seem to read a little like a Who's Who of the minor gentry of the district in which they resided. Griffith Rees who lived at Neyland, Llandstadwell (probably on a leased property) and his wife Mary (of unknown surname) were the parents of a daughter Sarah who married George Devonald. Sarah had siblings....Elizabeth (Mrs. Allen).....can't remember if I found her husband....they're not in the marriages. Elizabeth had daughters Elizabeth and Mary Allen. Anne Rees married Joseph Twyning in 1737...I know Anne died and I will have to find my Twyning material to see which one Joseph actually was..it does not look like they had children. Griffith Rees mentioned him in his Will in 1749 as his son-in-law, so Anne had probably died by then. There was also a son named Thomas Rees whose Will was dated 1750 and after his death it is shown his wife Katherine was the wife of John Hunter. When Mary Rees died... Will 1776...she mentioned her granddaughter Mary Allen, and Ann, George and the Thomas Devonald of Simon's e-mail. Mary apparently held in great esteem Abraham Leach and Thomas Bowlas whose approval must be sought...and of course that relates to Newton, Llandstadwell and the Child family. Just who was Mary? Griffith Rees had mentioned his Friend Richard Summers who, in 1736 at Haverfordwest St. Thomas married Mary Hunter. Does anyone know the relationship, if any, between Mary Hunter and John Hunter? Griffith also had a sister named Mared Hopler who had a daughter.....I know I have encountered the Hopler name, but where? Regards, Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Lewis Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 2:09 AM To: Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Help wanted - Thomas Devonald 1794 Hello Simon You don't tell us what his age was at death. I did look at the pre-1813 marriage fiches for Rhos, Narberth, Dungleddy and Dewisland Hundreds and found just one possible marriage that may be relevant: George Devonald and Sarah Rees date given as 1749/50 (Julian calendar) at Haverfordwest St Mary parish church. I have no connection with this family, but a GGG aunt and a first cousin four times removed married Devonalds in 1839 and 1833 respectively. Very few Pembrokeshire parishes have records before 1750. Gerry Lewis On 22/12/2013 14:54, "Simon Carter" <s.n.carter@btinternet.com> wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone have a World-wide sub to Ancestry and could do a look-up? > >I am trying to find a bit more about Thomas Devonald, a linen draper of >London (but born near Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire) who died in >Philadelphia 11 Oct 1793. His will was proved PCC on 21 Feb 1794 (I have >a copy from TNA - PROB11/1241), but he is buried in Christ Church grave >yard, Philadelphia (I also have the MI). But Ancestry have an Immigration >& Travel entry for a Thomas Devonald to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (I do >not have the date, but I guess it's probably going to be 1792). >This may tell me very little (it might even be the wrong man), but it >would be useful to find out. > >If anyone is looking at this man in their research, I would love to hear >from you. > >Thanks in advance. > >Simon Carter > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >[Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message