Robert, A brilliant post. I salute you. If this was a Forum there would be a "like" button I could click to show I agreed wholeheartedly with your comment. There would also be the ability to "ignore" posts from certain members. By the same token, those who consider some of my posts offensive, could ignore me. It would be a lot more constructive, if they replied to the original poster, rather took issue with replies, without adding anything. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 12:46 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Having travelled extensively I remember how frustrating it was to find that Google was not available in China I wasn't aware that the same rules applied in the Netherlands. http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 #tabs=1 Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Hello list, Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. Elwyn - netherlands.

Having travelled extensively I remember how frustrating it was to find that Google was not available in China I wasn't aware that the same rules applied in the Netherlands. http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 #tabs=1 Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage.

Dear Hal, Very interesting to read the timeline. May I make one small comment? You appear to describe Wales as being part of England. If that is the case would you mind altering it? Wales is a separate country from England. The turbulent relationship between the two countries although in many senses in the past there are some who don't forget. I have no problems with being part of the United Kingdom but I would describe myself as being Welsh and British but not English. Sincerely Edward On 16 January 2014 08:00, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Petition for release of 1921 UK census (Robert Treharne Jones) > 2. Re: Petition for release of 1921 UK census (Lynne Ingalls) > 3. Timeline of Wm GEORGE 1696 Wales, ENG-1767 Bucks Co, PA > (Hal McCawley) > > >

Thanks for this link! So important that we all try our best to get as many people as possible to sign this petition. There is a long way to go, but if we can all try and sign it, and then forward the link onto our friends who will sign it, hopefully we'll get the required thousands of signatures in time! I have already sent it around to many family and friends around the country who have already started to sign the petition! Thanks again Robert! Bye for now folks, Sarah in Northumberland. -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Treharne Jones Sent: 15 January 2014 19:23 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Petition for release of 1921 UK census As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link is http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 Robert ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks so much for responding. Great to meet someone walking the turf that my ancestors walked ca 1700! Perhaps some day I can join you. Do you have ancestors that were in Wales ca 1700? I currently believe that my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish was bapt 22 Aug 1709: @ Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales ; 1720s: came to Great Valley Bapt Ch in Tredyffryn Twp, Chester Co, PA, USA [likely with the financial help/guidance of Rhydwilym ??] Ships or ports unknown. He later moved on to the Montgomery & New Britain Bapt Churches also in PA where he continued to be a founding member, donor, deacon.. until his 1767 death. None of these church minutes lists his wf or ch[!?] and his 1767 will still lists no wife but shows ch as Sons Philip, Thomas. Daughters Jane Kerrel [CARROLL], Martha Hylyard, Ann West & Susanna Heyferlin. Granddaughters Martha George & Anne Hyly [Hylyard?]. Ages of children unknown but some could have been b in Wales! I will try to contact the archive offices as you suggested. I look forward to hearing from you again. Best, Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA, USA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: ANNE EVANS To: HalMcCawley Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 3:58 AM Subject: Rhydwilym Records Hi Hal and List, I live near Rhydwilym chapel and am a Baptist myself. However I do not hold the parish records for Llandysilio nor Narberth. My computer is playing up today so cannot get in Genuki for Narberth. I understand one of your Georges lived there in early 1700's. Here are the details for the archives offices for Narberth and Llandysilio:- Llandysilio - Carmarthenshire Archives Office, email: Archives@Carmarthenshire.gov.uk Telephone 01267 228232 Fax 01267 228237 They are not open on Mondays. Narberth - Pembrokeshire Archives Office email: recordoffice@pembrokeshire.gov.uk Phone014377754 They are not open Mon Tues Carmarthen hold parish records from 1720 - 1812. The parish records of course are for anglican baptisms but some anglicans converted to the Baptist faith. Baptists had to marry in the anglican local parish church. Many also buried in the parish church. There is a Welsh language book entitled "Rhamant Rhydwilym" i.e. translated "The Romance of Rhydwilym" It was written by local men in this area. Rev E Llwyd Williams and Mr Absolom. I however have lent it out to someone and once returned I shall look it up for any clues Yvonne Evans

Hi Hal and List, I live near Rhydwilym chapel and am a Baptist myself.  However I do not hold the parish records for Llandysilio nor Narberth. My computer is playing up today so cannot get in Genuki for Narberth. I understand one of your Georges lived there in early 1700's. Here are the details for the archives offices for Narberth  and Llandysilio:-   Llandysilio  -   Carmarthenshire Archives Office, email: Archives@Carmarthenshire.gov.uk  Telephone 01267 228232  Fax 01267 228237  They are not open on Mondays. Narberth -   Pembrokeshire Archives Office  email:   recordoffice@pembrokeshire.gov.uk Phone014377754  They are not open Mon Tues   Carmarthen hold parish records from  1720 - 1812.    The parish records of course are for anglican baptisms but some anglicans converted to the Baptist faith.   Baptists had to marry in the anglican local parish church. Many also buried in the parish church. There is a Welsh language book entitled "Rhamant Rhydwilym"  i.e. translated "The Romance of Rhydwilym"   It was written by local men in this area. Rev E Llwyd Williams and Mr Absolom. I however have  lent it out to someone and once returned I shall look it up for any clues   Yvonne Evans

As a UK citizen living outside the UK I voted. I did not have a problem selecting  the country I live in (US) however the petition process is not complete until they send me an email to confirm my email address is valid.  I haven't received the email from them yet. Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:08 AM Subject: [Dyfed] 1921 UK census petition I would like to sign the petition, but their seems to be a glitch.  The petition allows for signatures of people outside the UK, but when I try to move the bar to select the country it will not let me select anything before the letter 's' or after the United Kingdom, so I am unable to access it.  Thank you for sharing the link.

I would like to sign the petition, but their seems to be a glitch. The petition allows for signatures of people outside the UK, but when I try to move the bar to select the country it will not let me select anything before the letter 's' or after the United Kingdom, so I am unable to access it. Thank you for sharing the link.

As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link is http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 Robert

Thanks to many of you, the following is my compilation of the long ship ride & walks of my gf Wm GEORGE from Wales, ENG to Bucks Co, PA America- HISTORY OF BAPTISM IN WALES, ENGLAND 1633: The Baptist movement at was started in 1667-68 from Olchon Church founded in 1633 - Earliest record of Olchon church in Wales, a direct descendant of the Hill Cliff Church, but the Rhydwilym chapel was not built until 1701. It is the oldest Baptist church in West Wales and stands in Llandissilio East near the western most point of the old county Carmarthenshire. Rhydwilym Baptist Church was formed during a period of great persecution and people attending the services were liable to heavy punishments because the Anglican Church was the only approved church in England until the passing of the Toleration Act in 1689 . Rhydwilym Chapel is situated in a remote but beautiful valley on a bank of the Eastern Cleddau River in Pembrokeshire, West Wales, England. 1667: Rhydwilim Church came from Olchon Church in 1667 http://www.bcgv.org/about/rootsinwales/ mailto:admin@rhydwilym.com 22 Aug 1709: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has bapt for a William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish. [nlwenquiries@llgc.org.uk] [These baptisms in an early Baptist chapel would have to be for Christian believers only. Therefore young children would not be baptized. The minimum age would be approx 13 - 14 years. The elders of the chapel would have to be satisfied that the teenagers could understand what was meant by believers of baptism, per anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com 20 Nov 2013] 17 Aug 1712: Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales has a bapt for a Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. [ibid] [The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating 1667-1823 (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A).] 14 Jun 1715: "the Brandywine Baptist ," near Birmingham, Del Co, PA. has a Thomas GEORGE listed among the 15 founders [reportedly received by letters from somewhere??] of The 180th Anniversary AND HISTORY OF THE BRANDYWINE BAPTIST CHURCH, of Chad's Ford, Penna. June 14th , 1895. p-199 http://www.delawarecountyhistory.com/chaddsfordtownship/documents/180thAnniversaryofBrandywineBaptistChurch.pdf [Could be father or uncle of my gf Wm 1696??] [Attached is the only mention of George (last name only) and as you will see there is no first name. The dates all fit so I think it's safe to assume that this is what you were looking for. No other Georges' were in the history files. I went thru the entire file that we have. It is kind of odd that he's mentioned there but not again. Susie Winner, Office Manager, Cemetery Manager, Brandywine Baptist Church, Chadds Ford PA (610) 459-1302] ca 1720-<Jul 1730: @ Great Valley Bapt Ch in Tredyffryn Twp, Chester Co, PA which still exists in modern day Devon, PA. Founded in 1711 by Welsh immigrants from Rhydwilym Chapel in Pembrokeshire, W Wales, ENG, the oldest active Welsh Bapt Chapel in World founded 1668. ""The Johns Connections." by Helen Sides Dye 2007 has several chapters of this book devoted to the early Baptists of PA and DE. "There's a Richard George with property adjoining that of John Jones son of Dr. Edward Jones c 1741 and a Richard George was in South Carolina in 1768. On p. 198 William George is mentioned as having given two acres for the Great Valley Meeting House and then the statement "and the rest was purchased." A William George is mentioned on p. 199 in a list of people who gave money to Great Valley Meeting House in Tredyffryn Twp, Chester Co, PA. And, further down on that page # 199 in a discussion of the Baptist Church at Brandywine which was founded in 1715 and among the founding members there was a Thomas George. On p. 203, re the New Britain church in Bucks county, William George is again mentioned as having given an endowment. [From Jane McCann Walsh <jmwalsh@hughes.net> 6 Dec 2013 who has book] I reviewed above Dye bk 12/20/13 in Fresno, CA Pub Lib, making additional notes- In the beginninng, she warns to beware of the Patronymics frequently practiced in 1600s -early 1700s Welsh area wherein the first/given name was frequently used for the surname of the children!; p-30 Richard George land owner in lower Merion [PA]; p-90 a John GEORGE wit 1723 will of Griffith JOHN of Great Valley in Chester o, PA; p-198 Great Valley Meeting Hse in 1701-2 had gift of 2 A for site for meeting house fm William GEORGE, also notes that most of Great Valley Congregation were from Rydwiln Bapt Ch in Carmarthshire, Wales; p-199 shows William GEORGE giving legacies; also mentions that Brandywine Bapt Ch near Brandywine R in Birmingham TWP, Chester Co [now Del Co] 38 mi W of Philly formed 14 Jun 1715 with a Thomas GEORGE among 15 founders; p-200 mentions Montgomery Bapt Ch in Montgomery twp in Philly Co, PA; p-203 notes New Britain Bapt Ch in Bucks Co, PA 25 mi from Philly with bldg erected in 1744, incorp in 1754 with 2 branches, inc one on Great Swamp, endowments by Wm GEORGE et al. Listed as a source = Welsh Founders of PA, in 2 or more vols by Thomas Allen Glenn stating by 1675 a few Baptist settled along the E & W banks of Del R, p-9 lists a GEORGE among 1682 arr fm ENG; p-11 by 1700 influx of Quakers immigrants ended & Bapt started, Bapt arr at Uwchland, Newtown & Goshen twps on Chester Cr soon after 1700. [Rev 15 Jan 2013 index of Welsh Founders in PA online at books.google.com w/o finding a Wm GEORGE] July 1730: "Wm GEORGE received @ Montgomery Bapt Ch from Great Valley Bapt Ch" per Hist of Montgomery Bapt Ch by Edward Mathews @ CB Lib 8 Nov 2013. No mention of wf or ch?? Says Great Valley still exists in modern day Devon, PA. 1754: William GEORGE listed among 20 founding members @ New Britain Bapt Ch, Bucks Co, PA . [church minutes rev on film # 21679 at FHC 15 Oct 2013 in Vista, CA]. search prompted because the hist records of Shenandoah Co, VA &/or Linville VA Bapt Ch minutes showed that some of their earliest residents/members came from this church and there was uncertainty of whether a Thomas Sr or a William GEORGE was parent of my gm Martha & bro Geo GEORGE, Jr. The New Britain church minutes began when the church was formed in 1754 from a split with the Montgomery Church, Gwynedd Twp, Montgomery Co, PA and ran into 1900s. I rev from the start until 1800 & scanned the rest. The orig congregation inc 4 founders inc Rev Wm White, John THOMAS.. and a list of 20 members inc a Wm GEORGE who is listed alone on several mem lists & the only subscribers list until a Jul 1767 entry shows the only member's death mentioned in the minutes as a Wm GEORGE "bur this Summer at the Society". These minutes list a few mem as admitted by admission ltrs and/or ltrs of demission, very few bapt, almost no women listed, no m, no births, and only one death [Wm GEORGE] , almost no policing, no welfare.. [This would lead one to assume Wm GEORGE was a mem of the "Montgomery Church" bef the 1754 split and perhaps even a member of the father Hopewell Ch in NJ. Hal] In checking the New Britain Baptist Church Records 1754-1858, I found one mention of John and Jane Alderson - they were members on 7 March 1755. There was also a note next to their names in the index that said: "to Rockingham Co., VA" [a parent of Shenandoah Co, VA] Donna Humphrey dhumphrey@mercermuseum.org The New Britain Ch Cemetery records include tombstone readings and burial records at the church which were checked by the late Doris Fadenracht. There are two books that cover the 1700's - Membership and Church Meeting Book 1754-1858, and Trustees Minutes 1786-1925. The other books we have cover the 19th and 20th centuries (last date 1959). 26 Oct 2013 Donna Humphrey dhumphrey@mercermuseum.org WILL: Bucks County, PA Will Book 3, page 168.William George of Buckingham [Twp], yeoman. Will dated 1/25/1765, proved 7/24/1767. Sons Philip, Thomas. Daughters Jane Kerrel [CARROLL], Martha Hylyard, Ann West & Susanna Heyferlin. Granddaughters Martha George & Anne Hyly [Hylyard?]. Baptist Congregation at New Britain given 5 pounds - John Mathews Trustee thereof. Sons-in-law John West & Cornelius Hylyard appointed executors. David Stephens appointed trustee. Witnesses Simon Mathew, John Boyd & David Evans. [Rec 29 Oct 2013 from Tom Myers ] Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716

I gave it a go, but you need to be a British citizen in order to sign the petition. Sorry. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Robert Treharne Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:22 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Petition for release of 1921 UK census As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. The link is http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 Robert ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Replying to myself... getting a bit circular! While I'm here; this is probably known to many listers, but for those it isn't - the familysearch.org website allows you to search records with names etc as a starting point, which can yield myriad possible answers. Another way is to target a location first, then search through such records as exist for it. A website that facilitates that is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers .htm I've found this particularly helpful when familysearch.org name-matching doesn't catch variant spellings. Trawling the records for a parish can find outliers the algorithm doesn't catch. Of course this process misses errors in the digitisation process; at some point beforehand a human being has had to make a judgement from someone's handwriting in an original document. For them, it's chase the microfilm I'm afraid. cheers Dale > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Dale Davies > Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 7:42 PM > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > > Breaking cover for a moment...

Breaking cover for a moment... Hal: Filmed records can be "ordered in" to an LDS Family History Center nearby (or nearby-ish) and you can consult them there. There's one in Vista. I don't know what sort of delay is involved before you actually get to see it. You could phone them ( website: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Vista_California_Family_History_Cente r ). They could also explain how to use the familysearch.org website to locate the film(s) you need, and so on. Dale.Queensland > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Lynne Ingalls > Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 7:00 AM > To: LeaMarie Robertson; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > > Lets assume Rhodri/Archwr is off his meds. He wasn't very patient with Mr. > McCawley regardless of the number of times the question has been asked. > 1. Do the parish records for Landissillip and Narbeth exist for that time > period (1700-1710) and 2. If so, where would those records be kept? Is there > a film number that could be ordered from the FHL? > > Lynne in Tucson > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >

Thanks Dale for caring! I appreciate. And yes, I am a great fan of FHCs. They and my dear mother are the ones that got me into genealogy 50 yrs ago. I currently have a film there waiting in Vista FHC on my GEORGE Baptist families in Bucks Co, PA, USA. I have been temporarily unable to review the film as still recovering from a bad case of Flu with 103+ temp. Best to Down Under from Sunny CA. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 Researching McCAULEY, YOUNG, SANDERS, GEORGE, COLVILLE, MARQUIS, WILSON, CHRISTIAN, SEE, CLEMMER, DETTRO, MOORE.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Davies" <dale_j@brisvegas.org> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > Breaking cover for a moment... > Hal: Filmed records can be "ordered in" to an LDS Family History Center > nearby (or nearby-ish) and you can consult them there. There's one in > Vista. > I don't know what sort of delay is involved before you actually get to see > it. You could phone them ( website: > https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Vista_California_Family_History_Cente > r ). > > They could also explain how to use the familysearch.org website to > locate the film(s) you need, and so on. > > Dale.Queensland > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf >> Of Lynne Ingalls >> Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 7:00 AM >> To: LeaMarie Robertson; dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 >> >> Lets assume Rhodri/Archwr is off his meds. He wasn't very patient with > Mr. >> McCawley regardless of the number of times the question has been asked. >> 1. Do the parish records for Landissillip and Narbeth exist for that >> time >> period (1700-1710) and 2. If so, where would those records be kept? Is > there >> a film number that could be ordered from the FHL? >> >> Lynne in Tucson >> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List and Hal,   I believe I directed Hal to enquiries on National Library of Wales Site regarding Rhydwilym Records. They do definitely hold them. Narberth parish Records are at Haverfordwest Pembrokeshire Archives and Llandysilio are at Carmarthenshire Archives  held in Carmarthen  Records Office. This is because Llandysilio is divided between 2 parishes namely Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire.   Yvonn Evans

Hi Everyone, I understand the frustrations here but may I make a suggestion. I live in Northumberland and although I am in the UK, I might as well be in Australia in terms of gaining access to certain Welsh records or accessing valuable information at the National Archives in Kew. I simply live to far away and as much as I'd love to, I don't have the opportunity to visit these archives in person. So, my point is, sometimes it can be worth asking a professional researcher for a bit of help? It need not be a huge expense - if you have a specific piece of research and you can give the researcher an accurate description of what you are looking for with matching dates, and you've looked it up on a database first, it might be one or two hours of a professional researcher's time. This cost is certainly a lot cheaper than say in my case, driving to Pembrokeshire or Kew! And the results and rewards can be amazing - really advancing your research forwards! So maybe consider the option? I have used researchers who are recommended by the archives. Also, you can ask for an estimate on the cost of finding the information first. Hope this helps. It certainly helped me! A lot cheaper than flying across the world! I'm sure Rhodri did not mean any harm by his comments. Rhodri has an amazing knowledge of local history and he has helped so many of us in the past and I'm sure he will continue to do so in the future! Kindest regards to you all! Bye for now, Sarah. On 12 January 2014 06:48, LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm embarrassed by the response posted to Hal McCawley. This has been such > a friendly and helpful list which is one of the reasons I believe it has > remained so active in the past. I know that Rhodri is one of the listers > who have been very helpful to many people. I have received so much > assistance, at time asking questions that probably seem ignorant beyond > measure to some people who are more experienced than I am or who live in > the UK and therefore understand cultural and physical layout etc. better > than I do. I appreciate the incredible patience that people have had with > me. I have more than likely repeated posts when coming back to things or > from having such a bulk of information I was looking for. Mr. McCawley > said "suggestions greatly appreciated". Maybe he hoped for a different > suggestion? If Mr. McCawley repeated a question, maybe he didn't > understand the answer, maybe he was hoping for some different input from > someone, maybe he didn't understand the input, maybe he printed it out and > his cat ate it or his teen-age son deleted it or.... Since we don't have > any idea why, I'd like to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he is > still needing the information and if we don't understand why, kindly ask > him. It's just so much more pleasant that way for everybody in my personal > opinion. > > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > (RHODRI DAFIS) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:37:19 +0100 > > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, > > Wales > > To: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net>, dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <1436656.15831389404239372.JavaMail.www@wwinf3709> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hal, > > If you want to view the original records, it is a simple series of steps. > > 1. You arrange an appointment at the NLW. > > 2. You book a flight to the UK. > > 3. You hire a Car and Drive to Aberystwyth and keep the appointment. > > Simple. > > You have been given the information, by me and probably others that these > > records have been filmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. > > You can view copies at Utah, again by appointment. > > Try Googling the Local Family History Centre that comes under the > Umbrella > > of the Latter Day Saints. > > A bit of initiative goes a long way, and could say you a lot of money in > > travelling fares. > > This Forum is here to answer questions from anyone once, and not to keep > > answering the same question time after time. > > Do you now understand why you have not a reply to your latest post? > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Jan 09 2014, 01:30 AM > > From: "Hal McCawley" > > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Cc: > > Subject: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > > > Anyone know how to view these records?? > > Researching- > > Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish > > on 22 Aug 1709, and > > > > 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. > > > > The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel > > christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating > 1667-1823 > > (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > > 760-941-4716 > > > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html[Dec2012] > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > Rhodri > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > > *********************************** > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Lets assume Rhodri/Archwr is off his meds. He wasn't very patient with Mr. McCawley regardless of the number of times the question has been asked. 1. Do the parish records for Landissillip and Narbeth exist for that time period (1700-1710) and 2. If so, where would those records be kept? Is there a film number that could be ordered from the FHL? Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: LeaMarie Robertson Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:48 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 I'm embarrassed by the response posted to Hal McCawley. This has been such a friendly and helpful list which is one of the reasons I believe it has remained so active in the past. I know that Rhodri is one of the listers who have been very helpful to many people. I have received so much assistance, at time asking questions that probably seem ignorant beyond measure to some people who are more experienced than I am or who live in the UK and therefore understand cultural and physical layout etc. better than I do. I appreciate the incredible patience that people have had with me. I have more than likely repeated posts when coming back to things or from having such a bulk of information I was looking for. Mr. McCawley said "suggestions greatly appreciated". Maybe he hoped for a different suggestion? If Mr. McCawley repeated a question, maybe he didn't understand the answer, maybe he was hoping for some different input from someone, maybe he didn't understand the input, maybe he printed it out and his cat ate it or his teen-age son deleted it or.... Since we don't have any idea why, I'd like to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he is still needing the information and if we don't understand why, kindly ask him. It's just so much more pleasant that way for everybody in my personal opinion. On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > (RHODRI DAFIS) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:37:19 +0100 > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, > Wales > To: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net>, dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <1436656.15831389404239372.JavaMail.www@wwinf3709> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hal, > If you want to view the original records, it is a simple series of steps. > 1. You arrange an appointment at the NLW. > 2. You book a flight to the UK. > 3. You hire a Car and Drive to Aberystwyth and keep the appointment. > Simple. > You have been given the information, by me and probably others that these > records have been filmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. > You can view copies at Utah, again by appointment. > Try Googling the Local Family History Centre that comes under the Umbrella > of the Latter Day Saints. > A bit of initiative goes a long way, and could say you a lot of money in > travelling fares. > This Forum is here to answer questions from anyone once, and not to keep > answering the same question time after time. > Do you now understand why you have not a reply to your latest post? > Rhodri > > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Jan 09 2014, 01:30 AM > From: "Hal McCawley" > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > Anyone know how to view these records?? > Researching- > Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish > on 22 Aug 1709, and > > 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. > > The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel > christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating > 1667-1823 > (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). > Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > 760-941-4716 > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html[Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Rhodri > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > *********************************** > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Yes, a researcher is a good option when you have a specific query. But anyone seriously researching their Welsh ancestry needs to get a feel for the places where their family lived and an idea of what the NLW holds that might be relevant. For these you should plan at least one visit during your research, even if you do live far away. We had a visit from an American fourth cousin last month - someone I had never met before, but he was researching his Welsh line. For myself, I live the wrong side of England, so store up my queries and try to visit the NLW once a year, making a holiday of the visit. Regards Bill G-J In a message dated 12/01/2014 16:00:20 GMT Standard Time, reay.nunhill@virgin.net writes: Hi Everyone, I understand the frustrations here but may I make a suggestion. I live in Northumberland and although I am in the UK, I might as well be in Australia in terms of gaining access to certain Welsh records or accessing valuable information at the National Archives in Kew. I simply live to far away and as much as I'd love to, I don't have the opportunity to visit these archives in person. So, my point is, sometimes it can be worth asking a professional researcher for a bit of help? It need not be a huge expense - if you have a specific piece of research and you can give the researcher an accurate description of what you are looking for with matching dates, and you've looked it up on a database first, it might be one or two hours of a professional researcher's time. This cost is certainly a lot cheaper than say in my case, driving to Pembrokeshire or Kew! And the results and rewards can be amazing - really advancing your research forwards! So maybe consider the option? I have used researchers who are recommended by the archives. Also, you can ask for an estimate on the cost of finding the information first. Hope this helps. It certainly helped me! A lot cheaper than flying across the world! I'm sure Rhodri did not mean any harm by his comments. Rhodri has an amazing knowledge of local history and he has helped so many of us in the past and I'm sure he will continue to do so in the future! Kindest regards to you all! Bye for now, Sarah. On 12 January 2014 06:48, LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm embarrassed by the response posted to Hal McCawley. This has been such > a friendly and helpful list which is one of the reasons I believe it has > remained so active in the past. I know that Rhodri is one of the listers > who have been very helpful to many people. I have received so much > assistance, at time asking questions that probably seem ignorant beyond > measure to some people who are more experienced than I am or who live in > the UK and therefore understand cultural and physical layout etc. better > than I do. I appreciate the incredible patience that people have had with > me. I have more than likely repeated posts when coming back to things or > from having such a bulk of information I was looking for. Mr. McCawley > said "suggestions greatly appreciated". Maybe he hoped for a different > suggestion? If Mr. McCawley repeated a question, maybe he didn't > understand the answer, maybe he was hoping for some different input from > someone, maybe he didn't understand the input, maybe he printed it out and > his cat ate it or his teen-age son deleted it or.... Since we don't have > any idea why, I'd like to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he is > still needing the information and if we don't understand why, kindly ask > him. It's just so much more pleasant that way for everybody in my personal > opinion. > > > > On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 2:00 AM, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > (RHODRI DAFIS) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:37:19 +0100 > > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, > > Wales > > To: Hal McCawley <HalMac@cox.net>, dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <1436656.15831389404239372.JavaMail.www@wwinf3709> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > > Hal, > > If you want to view the original records, it is a simple series of steps. > > 1. You arrange an appointment at the NLW. > > 2. You book a flight to the UK. > > 3. You hire a Car and Drive to Aberystwyth and keep the appointment. > > Simple. > > You have been given the information, by me and probably others that these > > records have been filmed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. > > You can view copies at Utah, again by appointment. > > Try Googling the Local Family History Centre that comes under the > Umbrella > > of the Latter Day Saints. > > A bit of initiative goes a long way, and could say you a lot of money in > > travelling fares. > > This Forum is here to answer questions from anyone once, and not to keep > > answering the same question time after time. > > Do you now understand why you have not a reply to your latest post? > > Rhodri > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Jan 09 2014, 01:30 AM > > From: "Hal McCawley" > > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Cc: > > Subject: [Dyfed] Baptisms at Rhydwilyn Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales > > > > Anyone know how to view these records?? > > Researching- > > Rhydwilyn Chapel bapt rec of my gf William GEORGE of Landissillip Parish > > on 22 Aug 1709, and > > > > 17 Aug 1712 bapt for Thomas GEORGE of Narberth Parish. > > > > The National Library of Wales reportedly holds the Rhydwilyn Chapel > > christening, marriage and burial registers for this chapel dating > 1667-1823 > > (ref: Rhydwilym tist) chapel Minor Deposit 127A). > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > > > Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 > > 760-941-4716 > > > > > > ================================

Thanks LeaMarie for voicing my feelings and probably those of others as well. Edward On 12 January 2014 08:00, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 3. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 (LeaMarie Robertson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 00:48:07 -0600 > From: LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > < > CABWV7sh_Vy2NShbfQTjPS2R8eS+t76Z_n5amdDgF+KmJFaZEiA@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm embarrassed by the response posted to Hal McCawley. This has been such > a friendly and helpful list which is one of the reasons I believe it has > remained so active in the past. I know that Rhodri is one of the listers > who have been very helpful to many people. I have received so much > assistance, at time asking questions that probably seem ignorant beyond > measure to some people who are more experienced than I am or who live in > the UK and therefore understand cultural and physical layout etc. better > than I do. I appreciate the incredible patience that people have had with > me. I have more than likely repeated posts when coming back to things or > from having such a bulk of information I was looking for. Mr. McCawley > said "suggestions greatly appreciated". Maybe he hoped for a different > suggestion? If Mr. McCawley repeated a question, maybe he didn't > understand the answer, maybe he was hoping for some different input from > someone, maybe he didn't understand the input, maybe he printed it out and > his cat ate it or his teen-age son deleted it or.... Since we don't have > any idea why, I'd like to extend to him the benefit of the doubt that he is > still needing the information and if we don't understand why, kindly ask > him. It's just so much more pleasant that way for everybody in my personal > opinion. > > > > >