Hi Jen I don't know the official term for what you're describing, but I would imagine it was very common. In my family one of my sets of gg grandparents and the their siblings married (i.e. 2 brothers married 2 sisters), both had VERY large families (13 each) with many of their descendants still living in the area. The chances of some of the descendants of those double cousins getting together in a small place like Pembrokeshire I would imagine is very high. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Venita Sent: 30 January 2014 17:57 To: Jennifer Cairns Cc: Dyfed Dyfed Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations Hi Jen, That has happened in my family as well. My grandmother and two of her siblings married three siblings of another family. The children of those marriages are called "double cousins" and they are all quite normal, thank you. 8-) Venita On Jan 30, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Rhodri > > Many thanks for your thoughts. Made my morning ! > > I now understand the person who is related on both sides of my tree's reluctance to discuss the matter. Pity. > > Also, it is noticeable that Canon Law and UK current law, whilst not exactly at odds, define the degrees of permitted marital relationships in different fashions. > > Regards > Jen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 12:23 > Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations > > > > Jen, > Tongue in cheek - yes - INCEST! > It occurs regularly, and there are some relatives I am related too in a least three different ways. > The most confusing example I found (not in my family as it happens). > Was a Brother X & Sister Y marring a Siblings. Sister A & Brother B. > Both had children, who would have been cousins twice over and Genetically identical. > Brother X died, and Sister A died. > Sister Y then married her Brother in Law B and had children, who were cousins & stepbrothers and sisters too the previous issue of their parents. > They all had common Grandparents. > Little regard was paid to Cannon Law, and the prohibited degrees of marriage it would appear. > Rhodri > ======================================== > > Message Received: Jan 30 2014, 11:05 AM >> From: "Jennifer Cairns" >> To: "DYFED-L@rootsweb.com" >> Subject: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations >> >> Dear List >> >> Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: - Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? >> >> Thanks >> Jen >> >

Dear Rhodri Many thanks for your thoughts. Made my morning !  I now understand the person who is related on both sides of my tree's reluctance to discuss the matter. Pity. Also, it is noticeable that Canon Law and UK current law, whilst not exactly at odds, define the degrees of permitted marital relationships in different fashions. Regards Jen ________________________________ From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 12:23 Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations Jen, Tongue in cheek - yes - INCEST! It occurs regularly, and there are some relatives I am related too in a least three different ways. The most confusing example I found (not in my family as it happens). Was a Brother X & Sister Y marring a Siblings. Sister A & Brother B. Both had children, who would have been cousins twice over and Genetically identical. Brother X died, and Sister A died. Sister Y then married her Brother in Law B and had children, who were cousins & stepbrothers and sisters too the previous issue of their parents. They all had common Grandparents. Little regard was paid to Cannon Law, and the prohibited degrees of marriage it would appear. Rhodri  ======================================== Message Received: Jan 30 2014, 11:05 AM >From: "Jennifer Cairns" >To: "DYFED-L@rootsweb.com" >Subject: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations > >Dear List > >Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: -  Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? > >Thanks >Jen >

Jen, Tongue in cheek - yes - INCEST! It occurs regularly, and there are some relatives I am related too in a least three different ways. The most confusing example I found (not in my family as it happens). Was a Brother X & Sister Y marring a Siblings. Sister A & Brother B. Both had children, who would have been cousins twice over and Genetically identical. Brother X died, and Sister A died. Sister Y then married her Brother in Law B and had children, who were cousins & stepbrothers and sisters too the previous issue of their parents. They all had common Grandparents. Little regard was paid to Cannon Law, and the prohibited degrees of marriage it would appear. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 30 2014, 11:05 AM From: "Jennifer Cairns" To: "DYFED-L@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations Dear List Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: - Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? Thanks Jen ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Dear List Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: -  Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? Thanks Jen

Hi Jen, That has happened in my family as well. My grandmother and two of her siblings married three siblings of another family. The children of those marriages are called “double cousins” and they are all quite normal, thank you. 8-) Venita On Jan 30, 2014, at 7:11 AM, Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Rhodri > > Many thanks for your thoughts. Made my morning ! > > I now understand the person who is related on both sides of my tree's reluctance to discuss the matter. Pity. > > Also, it is noticeable that Canon Law and UK current law, whilst not exactly at odds, define the degrees of permitted marital relationships in different fashions. > > Regards > Jen > > > > > ________________________________ > From: RHODRI DAFIS <rdafis@fsmail.net> > Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 12:23 > Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations > > > > Jen, > Tongue in cheek - yes - INCEST! > It occurs regularly, and there are some relatives I am related too in a least three different ways. > The most confusing example I found (not in my family as it happens). > Was a Brother X & Sister Y marring a Siblings. Sister A & Brother B. > Both had children, who would have been cousins twice over and Genetically identical. > Brother X died, and Sister A died. > Sister Y then married her Brother in Law B and had children, who were cousins & stepbrothers and sisters too the previous issue of their parents. > They all had common Grandparents. > Little regard was paid to Cannon Law, and the prohibited degrees of marriage it would appear. > Rhodri > ======================================== > > Message Received: Jan 30 2014, 11:05 AM >> From: "Jennifer Cairns" >> To: "DYFED-L@rootsweb.com" >> Subject: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations >> >> Dear List >> >> Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: - Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? >> >> Thanks >> Jen >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Cousins. David C GEORGE came out last month and secondhandly introduced me to his GEORGE mail list. By introduction, I enter the GEORGE family in 1777 in Greenbrier Co, WV when my gm Martha GEORGE <1755 PA-1811 m my known gf George SEE. She came ca 1775 with adult siblings from present day Shenandoah Co, VA led my missionary Baptist Minister Rev John Alderson, Jr. Her parents were my gf Thomas GEORGE the elder & a Miss MOORE [here enters above Harry Long, a living authority on ALDERSON, GEORGE & MOOREs of Lindville Cr in present day Shenandoah Co, VA]. There ch were Wm, my gm Martha, Hannah, Deborah, Thomas, Jr. all b 1750-60s prob in Bucks Co, PA. GF Thos & fam came to Shenandoah Co, VA in 1760s with Bapt Minister John Alderson, Sr. Both the Aldersons and GEORGE were mem of the New Britain Baptist Church in Bucks Co, PA. Father of my gf Thomas GEORGE the elder was the William GEORGE b ca 1796 [bapt 22 Apr 1709 @ Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales]. No wf has ever been cited for this progenitor Wm GEORGE but his 1/25/1765 will in Buckingham Twp, Bucks Co, PA lists - Sons Philip [never heard of!], Thomas [my gf]. Daughters Jane Kerrel [CARROLL], Martha Hylyard, Ann West & Susanna Heyferlin. Granddaughters Martha George [my gm] & Anne Hyly [Hylyard?]. Baptist Congregation at New Britain given 5 pounds - John Mathews Trustee thereof. Sons-in-law John West & Cornelius Hylyard appointed executors. David Stephens appointed trustee. Witnesses Simon Mathew, John Boyd & David Evans. GF Wm b ca 1796 Wales is listed among 20 founding members of this New Britain Bapt Ch, Gwynedd Twp, Bucks Co, PA formed 1754 from the Montgomery Bapt Ch in Montgomery Co, PA. July 1730: "Wm GEORGE received @ Montgomery Bapt Ch from Great Valley Bapt Ch" per Hist of Montgomery Bapt Ch by Edward Mathews @ CB Lib 8 Nov 2013. No mention of wf or ch?? Between 1720-<Jul 1730: @ Great Valley Bapt Ch in Tredyffryn Twp, Chester Co, PA. Wm is listed as donating 2 A for meeting house and other donations/endowments. I project that Wm migrated to PA in 1720s?? And that's my story.. I welcome errors, corrections, additions, suggestions... Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 HalMac@Cox.net

Yesterday I sent my Timeline of my "claimed" GEORGE line down from gf Wm 1696 of Rhydwilym down through 4 Bapt Churches in PA, VA & WV. Now I submit this list of unclaimed GEORGE that was in the same location at the same time as my above line- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Rhydwilym Bapt Chapel bapt list has the following bapt of GEORGE that I can not ID: 27 May 1695- Francis GEOARGE, of Llangolman Parish 22 Apr 1709- William GEOARGE, Landissillio Parish [my gf? 1696] 17 Aug 1712- Thomas GOARGE, Narbeth Parish 25 May 1712- John GOARGE [no parish listed] 2 Feb 1724- Lewhellin GEOARGE, Gwnda Parish 1 Jun 1730- Ann GEOARGE, Narberth Parish 14 Jun 1715- "the Brandywine Baptist' ," near Birmingham, Del Co, PA. has a Thomas GEORGE listed among the 15 founders. [reportedly received by letters from somewhere??] ca 1741- Great Valley Bapt Ch in Tredyffryn Twp, Chester Co, PA which still exists in modern day Devon, PA. Founded in 1711 by Welsh immigrants from Rhydwilym Chapel in Pembrokeshire, W Wales lists a GEORGE among 1682 arr fm ENG , has a Thomas GEORGE among 15 founders in 1715, a land owner Richard GEORGE and notes a Richard GEORGE in in 1768 SC, [per book "The Johns Connections" by Helen Sides Dye] 1/25/1765 Bucks Co, PA will of gf William 1696 lists a son Philip who was never heard of bef or aft the will?? 1773- gf Wm 1696 had a son Thomas who had a son William who disappeared from Shenandoah Co, VA records, Prob b bef 1754 in PA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any suggestions for leads on the above orphans would be greatly appreciated. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716

Lona, Here is a link giving the parishes covered by the Abergavenny Registration District. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/abergavenny.html It covers a large area of Rural Monmouthire as well as Parishes in the Industrial Part, and the odd parish in Herefordshire. If you have found your ancestors in the 1841 & 1851 Census, you will have their parish of birth, and occupation at least, and might suggest to you where to look for the chapel. You could write to the local registrar, as he should have a record of all chapels that were licenced for marriage. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 25 2014, 02:42 PM From: "Jill Muir" To: "'Lona Boudreaux'" , powys@rootsweb.com, glamorgan@rootsweb.com, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] [GLA] [POWYS] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - new ownership Lona, The normal way you can discover this, is by using the Site Search,which isn't yet working correctly, or looking through those counties where you know your chapel to be. http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.pillars-of-faith.com/ My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lona Boudreaux Sent: 23 January 2014 16:18 To: powys@rootsweb.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] [POWYS] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - new ownership Hi, Are there any pictures of the Shanon Chapel? Henry Charles and Ann THOMAS MORGAN, my paternal great grandparents, were married there Jan. 30, 1843. The following location information came from their marriage certificate: Shanon Chapel, District of Abergavenny, Counties of Monmouth and Hereford Thank you, Lona Laughlin Boudreaux Monroe, Louisiana -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Muir Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:25 AM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com; powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - new ownership Dear Listers, I have asked David Bolton to take over the running of the Welsh Chapels and Churches website to allow me more time for other activities. You may recall that David currently runs a website named Pillars of Faith, which is devoted to Rhondda Chapels. http://www.pillars-of-faith.com I would like to thank all those many people who have kindly sent me photos of their Welsh churches and chapels, making the website more interesting than I ever could have done alone. The Welsh Chapels and Churches website can be found here http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.pillars-of-faith.com/index.htm It is still in the throes of being handed over, so please bear with us. My best wishes, Jill =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

It has been widely circulated on all the genealogy lists to which I subscribe (Not necessarily by me, I hasten to add!) Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ericdavies5@tiscali.co.uk Has the petition been circulated to all Family History Societies? ----Original Message---- From: drowlan1@bigpond.net.au Well I managed to sign from here in Canberra, but it did look like there is need for an awful lot more signatures before it approaches anything like 100 000! On 16 Jan 2014, at 6:22 am, Robert Treharne Jones <tjwizard@tiscali.co. uk> wrote: > As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. > The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. > The link is http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199

Lona, The normal way you can discover this, is by using the Site Search,which isn't yet working correctly, or looking through those counties where you know your chapel to be. http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.pillars-of-faith.com/ My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lona Boudreaux Sent: 23 January 2014 16:18 To: powys@rootsweb.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] [POWYS] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - new ownership Hi, Are there any pictures of the Shanon Chapel? Henry Charles and Ann THOMAS MORGAN, my paternal great grandparents, were married there Jan. 30, 1843. The following location information came from their marriage certificate: Shanon Chapel, District of Abergavenny, Counties of Monmouth and Hereford Thank you, Lona Laughlin Boudreaux Monroe, Louisiana -----Original Message----- From: powys-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:powys-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Muir Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:25 AM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com; powys@rootsweb.com Subject: [POWYS] Welsh Chapels and Churches website - new ownership Dear Listers, I have asked David Bolton to take over the running of the Welsh Chapels and Churches website to allow me more time for other activities. You may recall that David currently runs a website named Pillars of Faith, which is devoted to Rhondda Chapels. http://www.pillars-of-faith.com I would like to thank all those many people who have kindly sent me photos of their Welsh churches and chapels, making the website more interesting than I ever could have done alone. The Welsh Chapels and Churches website can be found here http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.pillars-of-faith.com/index.htm It is still in the throes of being handed over, so please bear with us. My best wishes, Jill =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2011.co.uk/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has the petition been circulated to all Family History Societies? Eric ----Original Message---- From: drowlan1@bigpond.net.au Date: 25/01/2014 2:11 To: "Robert Treharne Jones"<tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Subj: Re: [Dyfed] Petition for release of 1921 UK census Well I managed to sign from here in Canberra, but it did look like there is need for an awful lot more signatures before it approaches anything like 100 000! David On 16 Jan 2014, at 6:22 am, Robert Treharne Jones <tjwizard@tiscali.co. uk> wrote: > As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. > > The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. > > The link is http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 > > Robert > > > > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I managed to sign from here in Canberra, but it did look like there is need for an awful lot more signatures before it approaches anything like 100 000! David On 16 Jan 2014, at 6:22 am, Robert Treharne Jones <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > As you will know the 1921 UK census is not due for release until 2022, but if we can get 100,000 signatures the government will consider early release. > > The 1931 census results were destroyed in a fire and there was no census in 1941, so this will be the last for a long time. > > The link is http//epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/49199 > > Robert > > > > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone seen the original of the below Rhydwilym Register, or film of same, or the book, paper, manuscript... of the Rhydwilym church book?? Below is a copy of the LDS FHL listing under film #20436. I have viewed this huge film which is readable, has 18 untitled files, i.e., the reader can not tell whose parish ... records you are reading!! I was able to ID the bapt records for Rhydwilym for 1667-1745 but not the marriage or death.. records. The orig Rhydwilym Chapel records reportedly are at the National Lib of Wales but have been told by the Lib that they are only available in person. Anyone understand the listing of Miles as the Main Author and/or Carmarthenshire: Bapt as added author. Is this a book, MSS or film only or??? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 USA 760-941-4716 Researching GEORGE/GEOARGE ca 1700 of W Pembrokeshire. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Register of the Baptist Church at Rhydwilym, Carmarthenshire, Wales Statement of Responsibility: by George C. Miles Authors: a.. Miles, George C. (Main Author) b.. Rhydwilym Chapel (Carmarthenshire : Baptist) (Added Author) Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1948 Physical: on 1 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. Notes Microfilm of records from the Historical Society of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Includes extracts of entries, 1667-1745; members, 1667-1745; baptisms, 1667-1745. Rhydwilym is a locality in the parish of Llandysilio West. Llandysilio West, in Carmarthenshire , and Llanysilio East, in Pembrokeshire, are civil parishes that once formed the ecclesiastical parish of Llandysilio. Subjects a.. b.. Wales, Carmarthenshire, Llandysilio West - Church records c.. d.. Wales, Carmarthenshire, Rhydwilym - Church records Location Family History LibraryBYU Family History CenterLos Angeles California FamilySearch Library Copies Call Number Location Collection/Shelf Availability Film Notes (This family history center has 1 of 1 films/fiche.) Note Location Collection/Shelf Film/DGS Register of the Baptist Church at Rhydwilym, Carmarthenshire, Wales Family History Library United States & Canada Film 20436 Item 15

Hi all I'm new to this list so this is my first posting. My interest is in Enoch Davies & Margaret Jones, my grt grt grandparents They were married in the Penboyr church on 22 March 1831. I don't have any details whatsoever with regard to their parents but from the 1851 Census I know that Enoch Davies was born in Llandyfriog in about 1807 and Margaret Jones in Penboyr about 1810. Their son James was my grt grandfather. He married Susan Bosley in Glamorgan in 1863. James came to Australia in the early 1860s and Susan followed in 1868. I received a copy of the Parish record of their marriage (page 60 #178 of 1831) but sadly no parents are listed. The witness/es are listed as David Davies & David Davies so don't know if they were 2 different people or the person signed twice. I thought that David Davies might be Enoch's father or perhaps a brother but so far can find no clues anywhere. I'm hoping someone on the list is related to these two or knows someone who is/was. I'd dearly love to find Enoch's parents & also Margaret's. Cheers Marcelle in boiling hot unbearable Western Australia

Dear Listers, I have asked David Bolton to take over the running of the Welsh Chapels and Churches website to allow me more time for other activities. You may recall that David currently runs a website named Pillars of Faith, which is devoted to Rhondda Chapels. http://www.pillars-of-faith.com I would like to thank all those many people who have kindly sent me photos of their Welsh churches and chapels, making the website more interesting than I ever could have done alone. The Welsh Chapels and Churches website can be found here http://www.welshchapelsandchurches.pillars-of-faith.com/index.htm It is still in the throes of being handed over, so please bear with us. My best wishes, Jill

Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: 1. St Peter's Church, Pontardawe, Glamorgan (photography by John Ball & Google StreetView) 2. Horeb Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, Pontardawe, Glamorgan (photography by Helen Whyte) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/search-fram.htm and scroll down the index to the relevant Pontardawe links. My 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features well over three hundred churches and chapels, with at least another fifty in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: http://www.blfhs.co.uk/

In answer to Elwyn's question.. there's mention of the newer church being erected here http://www.dyfedarchaeology.org.uk/HLC/lowerteifivalley/llandygwydd.htm plus this document http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/browse/viewpage/llgc-id:1109629/llgc-id:1109864/llgc-id:1109896/getText may shed further light (I've not read it all) regardsMelanie Starkresearching various families in North Pembrokeshire > From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 13 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:17:26 -0700 > > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. llandygwydd church cardigan (E.Schreuder) > 2. Re: llandygwydd church cardigan (Robert Treharne Jones) > 3. Re: llandygwydd church cardigan (RHODRI DAFIS) > 4. Re: llandygwydd church cardigan (RHODRI DAFIS) > 5. Re: llandygwydd church cardigan -ADMIN REQUEST. > (Dai & Angela Bevan) > 6. Re: llandygwydd church cardigan -ADMIN REQUEST. (John) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 12:48:52 +0100 > From: "E.Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> > Subject: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan > To: <DYFED-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301cf1443$429a5a50$c7cf0ef0$@schreuder7@chello.nl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello list, > > > > Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? > > I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. > > Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. > > > > Elwyn - netherlands. > > > > -----

Thank you so much Dai, much more troublesome than my grandchildren. John From: Dai & Angela Bevan Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 8:25 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan -ADMIN REQUEST. All, Can we please limit this thread to the facts about Llandgwydd Church and not make it personal. Thank You, Dai List Admin. On 18/01/2014 18:38, RHODRI DAFIS wrote: Elwyn, Enjoyment is not the right word. I speak my mind, and you can like or lump it. The fact that you and I are related through our Harri(e)s and according to unsu bstantiated Family Legend the Pictons makes not an IOTA of difference. I do claim to an expert, but am credited with more knowledge of West Wales fami lies than most, and am more than happy to assist List Posters who have a genuin e query, and have hit a brick wall. I may not be able to provide an answer, but whenever there is a query that comes within my circle of knowledge, I try and be constructive. Answering queries of the type that you post, is quite frankly of no interest no me, and in my opinion should not be posted to the list. If you bought a subscription to Find my Past or Ancestry, and taught yourself t o use Google as suggested, you could reserve the unresolved queries for the lis t. Most list members, delete anything by Elwyn Schreuder without reading them. Perhaps the fact that you replied to me directly, and not via the list, means y ou plead Guilty, to trying to use the list to research your family history on t he cheap. I think long and hard before I post to the list, and whatever I post is my cons idered opinion. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 05:47 PM From: "E.Schreuder" To: [1]rdafis@fsmail.net Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Hope you enjoyed posting this. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [2]dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [[3]mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namen s RHODRI DAFIS Verzonden: zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:21 Aan: Robert Treharne Jones; [4]dyfed@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Robert, A brilliant post. I salute you. If this was a Forum there would be a "like" button I could click to show I agreed wholeheartedly with your comment. There would also be the ability to "ignore" posts from certain members. By the same token, those who consider some of my posts offensive, could ignore me. It would be a lot more constructive, if they replied to the original poster, rather took issue with replies, without adding anything. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 12:46 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" To: [5]dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Having travelled extensively I remember how frustrating it was to find that Google was not available in China I wasn't aware that the same rules applied in the Netherlands. [6]http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 #tabs=1 Robert -----Original Message----- From: [7]dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [9]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes i n the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [11]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes i n the subject and the body of the message ----- Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - [13]www.avg.com Versie: 2013.0.3462 / Virusdatabase: 3681/7012 - datum van uitgifte: 01/17/14 Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [14]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [ Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [15]DYFED-request@rootswe b.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bod y of the message References 1. mailto:rdafis@fsmail.net 2. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:dyfed@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:dyfed@rootsweb.com 6. http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 7. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 9. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 10. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com 11. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 12. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com 13. http://www.avg.com/ 14. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 15. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7013 - Release Date: 01/18/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7013 - Release Date: 01/18/14

All, Can we please limit this thread to the facts about Llandgwydd Church and not make it personal. Thank You, Dai List Admin. On 18/01/2014 18:38, RHODRI DAFIS wrote: Elwyn, Enjoyment is not the right word. I speak my mind, and you can like or lump it. The fact that you and I are related through our Harri(e)s and according to unsu bstantiated Family Legend the Pictons makes not an IOTA of difference. I do claim to an expert, but am credited with more knowledge of West Wales fami lies than most, and am more than happy to assist List Posters who have a genuin e query, and have hit a brick wall. I may not be able to provide an answer, but whenever there is a query that comes within my circle of knowledge, I try and be constructive. Answering queries of the type that you post, is quite frankly of no interest no me, and in my opinion should not be posted to the list. If you bought a subscription to Find my Past or Ancestry, and taught yourself t o use Google as suggested, you could reserve the unresolved queries for the lis t. Most list members, delete anything by Elwyn Schreuder without reading them. Perhaps the fact that you replied to me directly, and not via the list, means y ou plead Guilty, to trying to use the list to research your family history on t he cheap. I think long and hard before I post to the list, and whatever I post is my cons idered opinion. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 05:47 PM From: "E.Schreuder" To: [1]rdafis@fsmail.net Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Hope you enjoyed posting this. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: [2]dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [[3]mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namen s RHODRI DAFIS Verzonden: zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:21 Aan: Robert Treharne Jones; [4]dyfed@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Robert, A brilliant post. I salute you. If this was a Forum there would be a "like" button I could click to show I agreed wholeheartedly with your comment. There would also be the ability to "ignore" posts from certain members. By the same token, those who consider some of my posts offensive, could ignore me. It would be a lot more constructive, if they replied to the original poster, rather took issue with replies, without adding anything. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 12:46 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" To: [5]dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Having travelled extensively I remember how frustrating it was to find that Google was not available in China I wasn't aware that the same rules applied in the Netherlands. [6]http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 #tabs=1 Robert -----Original Message----- From: [7]dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [[8]mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [9]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes i n the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [11]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [12]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes i n the subject and the body of the message ----- Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - [13]www.avg.com Versie: 2013.0.3462 / Virusdatabase: 3681/7012 - datum van uitgifte: 01/17/14 Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources [14]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [ Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [15]DYFED-request@rootswe b.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bod y of the message References 1. mailto:rdafis@fsmail.net 2. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 4. mailto:dyfed@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:dyfed@rootsweb.com 6. http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 7. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 8. mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com 9. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 10. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com 11. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 12. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com 13. http://www.avg.com/ 14. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 15. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com

Elwyn, Enjoyment is not the right word. I speak my mind, and you can like or lump it. The fact that you and I are related through our Harri(e)s and according to unsubstantiated Family Legend the Pictons makes not an IOTA of difference. I do claim to an expert, but am credited with more knowledge of West Wales families than most, and am more than happy to assist List Posters who have a genuine query, and have hit a brick wall. I may not be able to provide an answer, but whenever there is a query that comes within my circle of knowledge, I try and be constructive. Answering queries of the type that you post, is quite frankly of no interest no me, and in my opinion should not be posted to the list. If you bought a subscription to Find my Past or Ancestry, and taught yourself to use Google as suggested, you could reserve the unresolved queries for the list. Most list members, delete anything by Elwyn Schreuder without reading them. Perhaps the fact that you replied to me directly, and not via the list, means you plead Guilty, to trying to use the list to research your family history on the cheap. I think long and hard before I post to the list, and whatever I post is my considered opinion. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 05:47 PM From: "E.Schreuder" To: rdafis@fsmail.net Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Hope you enjoyed posting this. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens RHODRI DAFIS Verzonden: zaterdag 18 januari 2014 16:21 Aan: Robert Treharne Jones; dyfed@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Robert, A brilliant post. I salute you. If this was a Forum there would be a "like" button I could click to show I agreed wholeheartedly with your comment. There would also be the ability to "ignore" posts from certain members. By the same token, those who consider some of my posts offensive, could ignore me. It would be a lot more constructive, if they replied to the original poster, rather took issue with replies, without adding anything. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Jan 18 2014, 12:46 PM From: "Robert Treharne Jones" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] llandygwydd church cardigan Having travelled extensively I remember how frustrating it was to find that Google was not available in China I wasn't aware that the same rules applied in the Netherlands. http://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/our-landmarks/properties/church-cottage-1617 #tabs=1 Robert -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of E.Schreuder Can somebody tell me when this church was taken down? I was told after 1999, but am not sure about that. It was a very old church. Part of the cemetery is still here, also the caratakers cottage. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 2013.0.3462 / Virusdatabase: 3681/7012 - datum van uitgifte: 01/17/14 Rhodri