Hello again Listers, I gave you a duff URL in my last message (it contained a rogue comma). The URL to access the old photo is: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/myster-church.jpg Sorry folks! John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: John Ball Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:54 PM To: Welsh Mailing Lists Subject: Can you identify a Mystery Church? Dear Listers, Can you help to identify an unknown church? A friend of mine was given an old photograph of a church. The donor claims the church is St Ellyw's at Llanelieu, near Talgarth in Breconshire, but we disagree. Comparison shows there are vital differences between the two churches. So the church in the old photo remains unidentified. You can see the old photo on my website by going directly to: http://www,jlb2011.co.uk/myster-church.jpg We think the church is most likely to be situated in one of the three old mid-Wales counties forming modern-day Powys, but it could be anywhere, so don't rule out possibilities outside of Powys. If you think you recognise the church in the old photo, please let me know where it is, either through this List, or directly to my email address: john@jlb2011.co.uk Many thanks for your help. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list
Dear Listers, Can you help to identify an unknown church? A friend of mine was given an old photograph of a church. The donor claims the church is St Ellyw's at Llanelieu, near Talgarth in Breconshire, but we disagree. Comparison shows there are vital differences between the two churches. So the church in the old photo remains unidentified. You can see the old photo on my website by going directly to: http://www,jlb2011.co.uk/myster-church.jpg We think the church is most likely to be situated in one of the three old mid-Wales counties forming modern-day Powys, but it could be anywhere, so don't rule out possibilities outside of Powys. If you think you recognise the church in the old photo, please let me know where it is, either through this List, or directly to my email address: john@jlb2011.co.uk Many thanks for your help. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list
Pat, Rhydderch was a fairly uncommon Christian name and the sons of a Rhydderch would be ap Rhydderch, which when the ap was dropped became Prytherch. This was Anglicised to Protheroe. The process of Anglicisation was gradual, and started in the Welsh Counties closed to England and moved gradually Westwards. Even in the rural areas of Cardiganshire, Meirionethshire and Caernarfonshire most had adopted a settled surname by 1850 at the latest. Pembrokeshire was Anglicised from an early date, and most had adopted a settled surname by the late 18th Century. You may well have identified the correct family, but it would be a very unusual if not an unique occurrence for the change to happen this late. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Feb 06 2014, 07:27 PM From: "Pat Powell" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Rhydderch and Protheroe Hi List I'm sorry - my last e-mail went direct to Lynne. I told her the books on Welsh surnames show that the name Prothero comes from ap Rhydderch. So the Rhydderch family I found in 1881 looks to be the right one for her Dorothy Prothero. Cheers Pat ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR
Hi List I'm sorry - my last e-mail went direct to Lynne. I told her the books on Welsh surnames show that the name Prothero comes from ap Rhydderch. So the Rhydderch family I found in 1881 looks to be the right one for her Dorothy Prothero. Cheers Pat
Hi to the list I have a bit of a puzzle with one of my Bateman people. William Bateman (b 1866) was the son of Thomas Bateman and Margaret Jenkins, and grandson of David Bateman and Mary Williams. William married Dorothy Protheroe on 8 December 1892 supposedly in Haverfordwest Registry Office. I have a note saying that her father was James Protheroe. In the 1901 census Dora Bateman is listed as 29 years old and born in Llanrian. The census for 1891 lists Dorothy Protheroe age 19 living in Trevine as a single woman with two young boarders: Thomas and Dorothy Harries (age 9 and 7 respectively). I can find no census entry prior to 1891 for a Dorothy Protheroe born in 1872 (or anywhere thereabouts). There is, however, an entry in 1881 which shows a Dorothy Harries age 9 born in St Lawrence with siblings James, age 12, and William, age 6. These three children are listed as children of William John and Martha John at Trerhos. The 1871 census shows John Harries age 55 with wife Martha Harried age 28 and son James age 2. The birth places certainly indicate that Martha and James are the same Martha John and James Harries cited in 1881. Martha Harries/John appears to have been born either Martha Richards or Martha James. There is no indication that Dorothy Harries married someone Protheroe prior to 1891 but it appears that Dorothy Harries d/o John Harries and Martha is the same person as Dorothy Protheroe who married William Bateman. Can someone shine a torch on this one please. Thanks Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia
Hello Lynne Here is something odd to consider:- I had a look at Llanrian to see a Dorothy of the right sort of age in 1881 and found Dwelling: Trevine Census Place: Llanrian, Pembroke, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342306 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5421 Folio 73 Page 9 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James RHYDDARCH W 45 M Llanhowell, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Weaver (Undef) Dorothy Hannah RHYDDARCH 9 F Llanhowell, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Ann Thomas RHYDDARCH 7 F Llanhowell, Pembroke, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar The Odd thing is if you look for James Rhyddarch his children in 1891 they don't seem to be around. However in Llantrisant Glamorgan there are two boarders James Prothero wiidower aged 56 a flannel weaver born PEM Whitchurch and in the next household Annie Prothero boarder Un 18 Dressmaker born PEM Trevine. A coincidence? or did the family change their name from Rhyddarch to Prothero? That would then match with Dorothy Prothero. Do you have her marriage details? was her father James? THis is not an answer but something to possibly follow up - what do you think? Let me know if you find out more. Cheers Pat On 06/02/2014 05:22, Lynne Simpson wrote: > Hi to the list > > I have a bit of a puzzle with one of my Bateman people. > > William Bateman (b 1866) was the son of Thomas Bateman and Margaret Jenkins, > and grandson of David Bateman and Mary Williams. William married Dorothy > Protheroe on 8 December 1892 supposedly in Haverfordwest Registry Office. I > have a note saying that her father was James Protheroe. > > In the 1901 census Dora Bateman is listed as 29 years old and born in > Llanrian. The census for 1891 lists Dorothy Protheroe age 19 living in > Trevine as a single woman with two young boarders: Thomas and Dorothy > Harries (age 9 and 7 respectively). I can find no census entry prior to 1891 > for a Dorothy Protheroe born in 1872 (or anywhere thereabouts). There is, > however, an entry in 1881 which shows a Dorothy Harries age 9 born in St > Lawrence with siblings James, age 12, and William, age 6. These three > children are listed as children of William John and Martha John at Trerhos. > The 1871 census shows John Harries age 55 with wife Martha Harried age 28 > and son James age 2. The birth places certainly indicate that Martha and > James are the same Martha John and James Harries cited in 1881. Martha > Harries/John appears to have been born either Martha Richards or Martha > James. > > There is no indication that Dorothy Harries married someone Protheroe prior > to 1891 but it appears that Dorothy Harries d/o John Harries and Martha is > the same person as Dorothy Protheroe who married William Bateman. > > Can someone shine a torch on this one please. > > Thanks > > Lynne Simpson > Canberra Australia > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
NZ does not have census records like you find in the UK. They were not kept. We use electoral rolls. The early ones only had men who owned property and men over the age of 21 and then in 1893 women also got the vote. Also useful are Directories like Wises, but not everyone is listed. Until I can pin down who his are I don't think I will have much chance of finding anymore about his life in Wales. :-( I have looked at ship lists but had not thought about ships manifests. I wonder how many ships arrived in NZ in the early 1860's? Must ask mister Google. Will just have to keep looking Annette
Hullo Gerry Thanks for your reply In 1879 in NZ they did not name the parents on a marriage certificate nor on the Intensions to Marry. On the marriage certificate it has where and when they married, their names, if they were over 21 their age was written as "full', their occupation, their condition (if single or married) and the minister. It looks if one person had written out the whole document, (the Minister) even where the couple should have signed it, and had also added the witnesses names and address. The witness were a Master Mariner and the owner of the dwelling were they where married. Maybe they had no other family in NZ. The Intension of marriage at least gave their age and how long they had been in the town or country. Hello Annette The only James Lloyd of about the right age in the Milford area in the 1851 census (DFHS fiche) was aged 1, born Robeston West Yes I found that one. Also found a James LLOYD age 1, born St Ipells Harroldston, son of Thomas (a farm labourer) and Mary (Address: Black Hill Parish: St Issells Haroldston Registration District: St Issells Haroldston, Pembrokeshire) ref: HO107/2478/~F11 There are two possible candidates on FreeBMD - one born in September quarter 1849 and another in December quarter 1849 (Haverfordwest District) In the Civil Registrations for Haverfordwest, 1849 there were 2 and 1 in 1852. There was also a John James and a William James registered in 1851 In the 1841 census for the Milford area there is a William Lloyd aged 25 (- 29) living in Herbrandston parish (3 miles west of Milford and butting on to both St Ishmaels and Robeston West). He appears to be living with a Mary aged 20 (-24). On the 1841 census I found a William, carpenter, living with a David (labourer) and Ann LLOYD both age 55 at Stoney Slade but darn if I can find the one you found. This has been a hard family to trace. My grandmother died when my Mum was about 12. (We think that she had gone with her mother when her parents separated) Her Aunty Rachel stayed on the land with her dad and never married. Her father apparently never approved of the man she was keen on so he went back to England. Later in my Mums life she and Aunt Rachel use to exchange Xmas letters. A number of years ago we made a trip to the Hokianga to see where the family had lived, in a place called Waiotemarama Gorge. We met a lady in her mid 80's and she told us what she could remember about the family. She also rang her older sister who said the "Jimmy was a grumpy little man and Matilda left him" (that was his wife). All local records were lost in a fire at Rawene, were the local District Council was situated. I have never found a hint of James’s parents or if they came to NZ. He may have come out as crew when he was just a boy of 9 or 10. Maybe one day I will trip over some more information about him Confused smile Annette
I am looking for the birth and parents of James LLoyd (maybe James Henry LLOYD) He came to NZ about 1860 I think. First trace in NZ was his marriage to Matilda Davidson on the 19th Nov 1879 in Auckland. Occupation, Mariner. He gave his age as 28 and had resided in NZ or Auckland 19 years, which makes his birth date about 1850/51. On the birth registration of his first child, James Henry LLOYD in Sep 1880 he says he is 30 yrs. old, from MILFORD, Wales. He was the informant and James Henry LLOYD was how his name was recorded. He did the same on the death registrations for James Henry in 1882 but both were signed with his mark, X. On the birth of his second child, Harriett Matilda LLOYD in June 1882 he is 32 but comes from Newport Wales, but this information was given by his wife. Harriett died in 1882. Their third child Rachel Harriett was born 1883 in Auckland. My grandmother, Annie Elizabeth, was born in 1885 in Auckland. Just to confuse things a bit more, on the birth registration of his 5th and last child, Matilda, in 1892, his place of birth was given as Londonderry, Ireland. This time no informant was named and I am guessing that it may have been his wife. She came from Ireland. James was a mariner until the late 1880’s when he joined Village Homestead Settlement in the Hokianga in the north of NZ. They had a small farm and he also worked on the roads and dug gum. James died 1918 in Rawene, Hokianga. So, form the dates I have he was born about 1850/51, in either MILFORD or NEWPORT (but HE gave MILFORD as his place of birth) Left Wales about 1860 aged about 9, so probably came out with his parents?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Annette
Hello Annette The only James Lloyd of about the right age in the Milford area in the 1851 census (DFHS fiche) was aged 1, born Robeston West and living with his father (?) William Lloyd aged 34 (born Walton West) in St Ishmaels (Schedule 33, folio 180. Page 8). Robeston West parish is about 3 miles north west of Milford and St Ishmaels parish is 4 miles west of Milford. There are two possible candidates on FreeBMD - one born in September quarter 1849 and another in December quarter 1849 (Haverfordwest District) In the 1841 census for the Milford area there is a William Lloyd aged 25 (- 29) living in Herbrandston parish (3 miles west of Milford and butting on to both St Ishmaels and Robeston West). He appears to be living with a Mary aged 20 (-24). Didn't he have to give the name of his father on his marriage certificate? Gerry Lewis On 04/02/2014 02:15, "Annette McLean" <dandamclean@ubernet.co.nz> wrote: >I am looking for the birth and parents of James LLoyd (maybe James Henry >LLOYD) > >He came to NZ about 1860 I think. First trace in NZ was his marriage to >Matilda Davidson on the 19th Nov 1879 in Auckland. Occupation, Mariner. >He gave his age as 28 and had resided in NZ or Auckland 19 years, which >makes his birth date about 1850/51. > >On the birth registration of his first child, James Henry LLOYD in Sep >1880 he says he is 30 yrs. old, from MILFORD, Wales. He was the >informant and James Henry LLOYD was how his name was recorded. >He did the same on the death registrations for James Henry in 1882 but >both were signed with his mark, X. > >On the birth of his second child, Harriett Matilda LLOYD in June 1882 he >is 32 but comes from Newport Wales, but this information was given by his >wife. Harriett died in 1882. > >Their third child Rachel Harriett was born 1883 in Auckland. > >My grandmother, Annie Elizabeth, was born in 1885 in Auckland. > >Just to confuse things a bit more, on the birth registration of his 5th >and last child, Matilda, in 1892, his place of birth was given as >Londonderry, Ireland. This time no informant was named and I am guessing >that it may have been his wife. She came from Ireland. > >James was a mariner until the late 1880¹s when he joined Village >Homestead Settlement in the Hokianga in the north of NZ. They had a small >farm and he also worked on the roads and dug gum. > >James died 1918 in Rawene, Hokianga. > >So, form the dates I have he was born about 1850/51, in either MILFORD or >NEWPORT (but HE gave MILFORD as his place of birth) Left Wales about >1860 aged about 9, so probably came out with his parents?? > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Annette > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >[Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message
Dear List, I have read on many mailing list's regarding missing parish records on Find My Past. I have found several just by accident whilst scrolling through image's. So they do appear to have been scanned just not indexed. I use Family Search - you do need a subscription to view the records. Family Search seem to have indexes with a link to the image. Worth trying for missing parishes. I usually put in the search Parish name and first name of Mary or Ann.I find other names are usually in Latin for earlier records. I then use the earliest record I can find for a particular Parish, Click on image to FMP then scroll back through the images to find the first record. Today I found the Parish of Cilgerran which does not show up on FMP, as far as earlier records. Scrolling through to get to the front of the Parish Register - they are available on the last entry for Castlebythe followed by Kilgerran/Cilgerran from 1711 Baptism, Marriages and burials. Hope it helps, if I come across any other missing Parishes I will drop the list an e-mail. Best regards Jane M ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7054 - Release Date: 02/02/14
Pat, If you find the L-V records, please let me know. I did find my Morgan family in GLA (Aberdare) in the late 1850s to join the miners. Would like to research Levi's siblings and perhaps cousins. Thank you again for launching my search way back when. Best regards, Peggy Pat Powell <Pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Hello Jane > >Thanks for your tips. If you ever find Llangan (CMN/PEM border) early >marriages let me know. > I have seen them in the record office so I know they exist but FMP >only seem to have baptisms. >They show Llangan as Carmarthenshire. Those parishes that span the two >borders can be a problem. > >I also cannot seem to find any Llanddewy Velfrey baptisms, marriages or >burials. >I did send a query but have had no reply. > >Cheers > >Pat > > > >On 03/02/2014 12:05, janealogy wrote: >> Dear List, >> I have read on many mailing list's regarding missing parish records on >> Find My Past. I have found several just by accident whilst scrolling >> through image's. >> So they do appear to have been scanned just not indexed. >> >> I use Family Search - you do need a subscription to view the records. >> Family Search seem to have indexes with a link to the image. Worth >> trying for >> missing parishes. I usually put in the search Parish name and first name >> of Mary or Ann.I find other names are usually in Latin for earlier records. >> I then use the earliest record I can find for a particular Parish, Click >> on image to FMP then scroll back through the images to find the first >> record. >> >> Today I found the Parish of Cilgerran which does not show up on FMP, as >> far as earlier records. >> >> Scrolling through to get to the front of the Parish Register - they are >> available on the last entry for Castlebythe followed by >> Kilgerran/Cilgerran from 1711 Baptism, Marriages and burials. >> Hope it helps, if I come across any other missing Parishes I will drop >> the list an e-mail. >> Best regards >> Jane M >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7054 - Release Date: 02/02/14 >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >____________________________________________________________ >Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) >1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3165/52f0168fd6d03168f7216mp05vuc >
Hello Jane Thanks for your tips. If you ever find Llangan (CMN/PEM border) early marriages let me know. I have seen them in the record office so I know they exist but FMP only seem to have baptisms. They show Llangan as Carmarthenshire. Those parishes that span the two borders can be a problem. I also cannot seem to find any Llanddewy Velfrey baptisms, marriages or burials. I did send a query but have had no reply. Cheers Pat On 03/02/2014 12:05, janealogy wrote: > Dear List, > I have read on many mailing list's regarding missing parish records on > Find My Past. I have found several just by accident whilst scrolling > through image's. > So they do appear to have been scanned just not indexed. > > I use Family Search - you do need a subscription to view the records. > Family Search seem to have indexes with a link to the image. Worth > trying for > missing parishes. I usually put in the search Parish name and first name > of Mary or Ann.I find other names are usually in Latin for earlier records. > I then use the earliest record I can find for a particular Parish, Click > on image to FMP then scroll back through the images to find the first > record. > > Today I found the Parish of Cilgerran which does not show up on FMP, as > far as earlier records. > > Scrolling through to get to the front of the Parish Register - they are > available on the last entry for Castlebythe followed by > Kilgerran/Cilgerran from 1711 Baptism, Marriages and burials. > Hope it helps, if I come across any other missing Parishes I will drop > the list an e-mail. > Best regards > Jane M > > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7054 - Release Date: 02/02/14 > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello all, I have been using this site with a lot of success, but have noticed that some years of papers are missing, in particularly the Aberystwyth Observer. Can anyone advise if this is because the paper was not printed in those years, or are they just missing. If they were not printed, could anyone advise what paper who have been the next popular paper for that area. Any assistance would be appreciated. Regards Karen Australia
Forwarded for Roger, who seems to be having trouble posting. Dai -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Doublesided relations Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2014 16:46:43 -0000 From: Roger and Shirley Jones [1]<joger.rones@btinternet.com> Reply-To: Roger and Shirley Jones [2]<joger.rones@btinternet.com> To: Dai & Angela Bevan [3]<daibevan@clara.co.uk> Ref dodgy marriages, you will find that, if you have been fortunate enough to trace your roots back 450 years or so, you will know that the requisite number of ancestors, (assuming no dodgy marriages) is more than the entire UK population at that time (ca 5million)! Roger References 1. mailto:joger.rones@btinternet.com 2. mailto:joger.rones@btinternet.com 3. mailto:daibevan@clara.co.uk
Hi Karen I can't tell you about the Aberystwyth Observerspecifically, but my impression in general is that NLW have only digitised their own collection of newspapers, and not attempted to fill gaps. There may be copies covering missing periods in other libraries, such as the British Library Newspaper collection, or the town library in Aberystwyth. You can also search the British Library collection by place, which will tell you what other newpapers were circulating in the area. Anna At 00:07 03/02/2014, Karen wrote: >Hello all, > >I have been using this site with a lot of success, but have noticed >that some years of papers are missing, in particularly the >Aberystwyth Observer. > >Can anyone advise if this is because the paper was not printed in >those years, or are they just missing. > >If they were not printed, could anyone advise what paper who have >been the next popular paper for that area. > >Any assistance would be appreciated. > >Regards >Karen >Australia > >================================ >Dyfed list REVISED resources >http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks everyone... very interesting replies. The paper on genetic genealogy from Sandra looks a challenge. And whilst going through some connected puzzles in my trees I have now come across yet another dodgy marriage. Should keep me busy for a while - but as Brian suggests, time for an aspirin! Diolch Jen ________________________________ From: Brian Griffiths <roots@briangriffiths.me.uk> To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 21:20 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations Wow! - time to break out the aspirin! On 30/01/2014 19:31, Sandra Davies wrote: > I don't know if this helps at all Jen? > > http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570138.html > > Regards > Sandra > > ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wow! - time to break out the aspirin! On 30/01/2014 19:31, Sandra Davies wrote: > I don't know if this helps at all Jen? > > http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570138.html > > Regards > Sandra > >
I don't know if this helps at all Jen? http://www.genetic-genealogy.co.uk/Toc115570138.html Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Cairns Sent: 30 January 2014 11:05 To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Doublesided relations Dear List Been meaning to ask this for ages. I have a distant distant cousin, who appears to have a link with my tree on both sides of the family (VIAboth my grandmothers, then earlier via the male lines). Must be quite common, but my question is this: - Is there a term for this type of double relationship ? Thanks Jen ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
An unusual twist - my great-grandmother (Jane Edwards of Lledrod) and her daughter from her first marriage moved to Liverpool and married two brothers Brian On 30/01/2014 18:49, Sandra Davies wrote: > Hi Jen > > I don't know the official term for what you're describing, but I would > imagine it was very common. > > In my family one of my sets of gg grandparents and the their siblings > married (i.e. 2 brothers married 2 sisters), both had VERY large families > (13 each) with many of their descendants still living in the area. The > chances of some of the descendants of those double cousins getting together > in a small place like Pembrokeshire I would imagine is very high. > > > Regards > Sandra > >