I think it was Lort but how does that fit with the Lort-Phillipses and sir Hugh Owen? Vera ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3722/7167 - Release Date: 03/07/14

Melanie, As I have made perfectly clear both to the list, and elsewhere I believe that the "Gospel" according to Francis Jones needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. This does not mean, that you ignore him, but that you should check before accepting that what is published in his name is correct. The entry for Orielton in "Historic Houses of Pembrokeshire" published in 1996, from Francis's Notes, which might be out of date, states with reference to John Owen alias Lord (Should this be Lort?) "His baronetcy survives in the person of Sir Hugh Owen, 5th Baronet". Debrett etc. publish pedigrees of the Nobility, and many of these pedigrees are available on-line. They might be worth checking. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 05 2014, 03:15 PM From: "melanie stark" To: "achwr@fsmail.net" , "ANNE EVANS" , "dyfed@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Thank you for these replies. I am unware of any connection to Glouge with MY Owen family, but it makes very interesting reading from a family research and local history points of view.I did read that John Lord changed his name to Owen in early 1800's. Shall continue reading/researching. Kind regards,Melanie Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 01:00:37 +0100 From: achwr@fsmail.net To: anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com; mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Melanie, The Owens of Orielton descended from Hugh Owen of Anglsey died out in the main line in the mid 1700's and the estate was inherited by a great nephew (his fathers sisters son) who adopted the name Owen. He was the last of the name at Orielton which was sold to pay off his debts in the mid 1850's. The Orielton Estate was extensive and the owned several properties in the Fishguard area. The Owen you have traced, may be descended from either the Original, or Named Changed Owens, and it might a small part of the original estate, they managed to hang on to. Anne, The Owen Family were at Glog from the 1650's. The first was Thomas Owen, Rector of Llanfyrnach, but his ancestry is unknown. John and Thomas were the favourite names, but also as you say in the 1800's Arthur, Stephen appear, together with Hugh and William. Some of these went to New Zealand. The last of the line at Glog were two sisters daughters of a John Owen who if I remember correctly was the son of William Owen. One of the two sisters was Anna Louisa Owen but where the Louisa comes from I don't know. Her mother was by Grandmothers sister, and I know it does come from that side of the family. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 04 2014, 09:07 PM From: "ANNE EVANS" To: "melanie stark" , "dyfed@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Hi Melanie, I have found that my Owen family contained the same Christian names as the Owen family of Glogue Pembrokeshire namely John, Arthur and Stephen. However my Owen originated in Mynachlogddu Pembrokeshire. It seems they were very religious and attend the Penygroes Independant chapel at Whitchurch parish near Crymych. John Owen of Glogue farm was very influential in commencing the Whitland to Cardigan railway - the "Cardi Bach" This was in the mid 19th century. I believe he owned the quarry at Glogue(Llanfyrnach) and wanted the slates transported. Have you any connection with Owen of Glogue farm? I have no idea if the Glogue Owen branch were descended form Owen of Orielton Yvonne Evans From: melanie stark To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 17:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother’s siblings I’ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. Further research had taken me much further back and I’m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree – which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I’ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller’s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

Hi I was wondering if anyone does look up on parish record. I spent quite a few frustrating hours trying to read the parish records for the above areas. I found most of the film unreadable due to the quality. I have a number of questions 1) does anyone know where the originals are and if its possible to read them 2) have the parish records been transcribed? 3) Does anyone do look ups for this area for parish records? 4) if so I am looking for any of those below from 1790 - 1840 a) Howell(s) from Puncheston b) Evans in Little Newcastle any help would be most welcome Robert Vaughan

Robert - Have you had a look at the Hugh Wallis IGI? There are some transcribed parish records for Little Newcastle and Puncheston within your time period with the surnames Evans and Howell. You didn't mention given names, so I can't be of any more help. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Rob Vaughan Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 10:15 AM To: Dyfed Roots web Subject: [Dyfed] Puncheston and little newcastle Pemproke Hi I was wondering if anyone does look up on parish record. I spent quite a few frustrating hours trying to read the parish records for the above areas. I found most of the film unreadable due to the quality. I have a number of questions 1) does anyone know where the originals are and if its possible to read them 2) have the parish records been transcribed? 3) Does anyone do look ups for this area for parish records? 4) if so I am looking for any of those below from 1790 - 1840 a) Howell(s) from Puncheston b) Evans in Little Newcastle any help would be most welcome Robert Vaughan ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It appears from the various replies on and off list that there were/are OWEN families all over Pembrokeshire. I will look into the Orielton Owens and keep my fingers crossed that by doing that I will track down my own direct Owen/s ancestors - hit a brick wall with John Owen born 1815! Thank you all, much appreciated. Melanie -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:00 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 40 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: 1. Re: DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 (Howard Evans) 2. Re: Owen family Pembrokeshire (ANNE EVANS) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 10:22:16 -0700 From: Howard Evans <howardevans@bresnan.net> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <53160BC8.5020603@bresnan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Melanie, I don't think I am connect to your tree, but I do have a Louisa Owen in my ancestry. I know that she was born circa 1771 and died circa 1841 in Llandyfriog, Cardiganshire. I have not been able to find a birth record for her but have found her marriage to Daniel Evans (1761-1830) in Llangoedmor in 1798. The 1841 census disclosed that she was not born in Cardiganshire. If she fits into any of your tree, I would be most anxious to know. Howard Evans Montana, USA dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Owen family Pembrokeshire (melanie stark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:36:37 +0000 > From: melanie stark <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DUB113-DS32AC20C33AB0F1684AB064A78F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Dear listers. > > while doing some research on my great great grandmother?s siblings I?ve > found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended > from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. > > Further research had taken me much further back and I?m wondering if > anyone on the list is researching that tree ? which I believe connects to > the Owens of Orielton? > I?ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as > to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married > the miller?s daughter Alice. > > Any pointers gratefully received. > > Melanie Stark (nee Owen) > researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > ************************************ > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:03:16 +0000 (GMT) From: ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire To: melanie stark <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk>, "dyfed@rootsweb.com" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1393966996.80731.YahooMailNeo@web87701.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Melanie, I have found that my Owen family contained the same Christian names as the Owen family of Glogue Pembrokeshire namely John, Arthur and Stephen.? However my Owen originated in Mynachlogddu Pembrokeshire. It seems they were very religious and attend the Penygroes Independant chapel at Whitchurch?parish near Crymych.?????John Owen of Glogue? farm was very influential in commencing the Whitland? to?Cardigan railway - the "Cardi Bach"? This was in the mid 19th century.?? I believe he owned the quarry at Glogue(Llanfyrnach)? and wanted the slates transported.?? Have you any connection with Owen of Glogue farm? I have no idea if the Glogue Owen branch were descended form Owen of Orielton ? Yvonne Evans From: melanie stark <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 17:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother?s siblings I?ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick.? Further research had taken me much further back and I?m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree ? which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I?ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in? Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller?s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html? [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Thank you for these replies. I am unware of any connection to Glouge with MY Owen family, but it makes very interesting reading from a family research and local history points of view.I did read that John Lord changed his name to Owen in early 1800's. Shall continue reading/researching. Kind regards,Melanie Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 01:00:37 +0100 From: achwr@fsmail.net To: anneyvonne.evans@btinternet.com; mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Melanie, The Owens of Orielton descended from Hugh Owen of Anglsey died out in the main line in the mid 1700's and the estate was inherited by a great nephew (his fathers sisters son) who adopted the name Owen. He was the last of the name at Orielton which was sold to pay off his debts in the mid 1850's. The Orielton Estate was extensive and the owned several properties in the Fishguard area. The Owen you have traced, may be descended from either the Original, or Named Changed Owens, and it might a small part of the original estate, they managed to hang on to. Anne, The Owen Family were at Glog from the 1650's. The first was Thomas Owen, Rector of Llanfyrnach, but his ancestry is unknown. John and Thomas were the favourite names, but also as you say in the 1800's Arthur, Stephen appear, together with Hugh and William. Some of these went to New Zealand. The last of the line at Glog were two sisters daughters of a John Owen who if I remember correctly was the son of William Owen. One of the two sisters was Anna Louisa Owen but where the Louisa comes from I don't know. Her mother was by Grandmothers sister, and I know it does come from that side of the family. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 04 2014, 09:07 PM From: "ANNE EVANS" To: "melanie stark" , "dyfed@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Hi Melanie, I have found that my Owen family contained the same Christian names as the Owen family of Glogue Pembrokeshire namely John, Arthur and Stephen. However my Owen originated in Mynachlogddu Pembrokeshire. It seems they were very religious and attend the Penygroes Independant chapel at Whitchurch parish near Crymych. John Owen of Glogue farm was very influential in commencing the Whitland to Cardigan railway - the "Cardi Bach" This was in the mid 19th century. I believe he owned the quarry at Glogue(Llanfyrnach) and wanted the slates transported. Have you any connection with Owen of Glogue farm? I have no idea if the Glogue Owen branch were descended form Owen of Orielton Yvonne Evans From: melanie stark To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 17:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother’s siblings I’ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. Further research had taken me much further back and I’m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree – which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I’ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller’s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Melanie, The Owens of Orielton descended from Hugh Owen of Anglsey died out in the main line in the mid 1700's and the estate was inherited by a great nephew (his fathers sisters son) who adopted the name Owen. He was the last of the name at Orielton which was sold to pay off his debts in the mid 1850's. The Orielton Estate was extensive and the owned several properties in the Fishguard area. The Owen you have traced, may be descended from either the Original, or Named Changed Owens, and it might a small part of the original estate, they managed to hang on to. Anne, The Owen Family were at Glog from the 1650's. The first was Thomas Owen, Rector of Llanfyrnach, but his ancestry is unknown. John and Thomas were the favourite names, but also as you say in the 1800's Arthur, Stephen appear, together with Hugh and William. Some of these went to New Zealand. The last of the line at Glog were two sisters daughters of a John Owen who if I remember correctly was the son of William Owen. One of the two sisters was Anna Louisa Owen but where the Louisa comes from I don't know. Her mother was by Grandmothers sister, and I know it does come from that side of the family. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 04 2014, 09:07 PM From: "ANNE EVANS" To: "melanie stark" , "dyfed@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Hi Melanie, I have found that my Owen family contained the same Christian names as the Owen family of Glogue Pembrokeshire namely John, Arthur and Stephen. However my Owen originated in Mynachlogddu Pembrokeshire. It seems they were very religious and attend the Penygroes Independant chapel at Whitchurch parish near Crymych. John Owen of Glogue farm was very influential in commencing the Whitland to Cardigan railway - the "Cardi Bach" This was in the mid 19th century. I believe he owned the quarry at Glogue(Llanfyrnach) and wanted the slates transported. Have you any connection with Owen of Glogue farm? I have no idea if the Glogue Owen branch were descended form Owen of Orielton Yvonne Evans From: melanie stark To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 17:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother’s siblings I’ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. Further research had taken me much further back and I’m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree – which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I’ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller’s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Hi Melanie, I have found that my Owen family contained the same Christian names as the Owen family of Glogue Pembrokeshire namely John, Arthur and Stephen.  However my Owen originated in Mynachlogddu Pembrokeshire. It seems they were very religious and attend the Penygroes Independant chapel at Whitchurch parish near Crymych.     John Owen of Glogue  farm was very influential in commencing the Whitland  to Cardigan railway - the "Cardi Bach"  This was in the mid 19th century.   I believe he owned the quarry at Glogue(Llanfyrnach)  and wanted the slates transported.   Have you any connection with Owen of Glogue farm? I have no idea if the Glogue Owen branch were descended form Owen of Orielton   Yvonne Evans From: melanie stark <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 March 2014, 17:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother’s siblings I’ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick.  Further research had taken me much further back and I’m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree – which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I’ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in  Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller’s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Melanie, I don't think I am connect to your tree, but I do have a Louisa Owen in my ancestry. I know that she was born circa 1771 and died circa 1841 in Llandyfriog, Cardiganshire. I have not been able to find a birth record for her but have found her marriage to Daniel Evans (1761-1830) in Llangoedmor in 1798. The 1841 census disclosed that she was not born in Cardiganshire. If she fits into any of your tree, I would be most anxious to know. Howard Evans Montana, USA dyfed-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Owen family Pembrokeshire (melanie stark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 17:36:37 +0000 > From: melanie stark <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Owen family Pembrokeshire > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DUB113-DS32AC20C33AB0F1684AB064A78F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Dear listers. > > while doing some research on my great great grandmother?s siblings I?ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. > > Further research had taken me much further back and I?m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree ? which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? > I?ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller?s daughter Alice. > > Any pointers gratefully received. > > Melanie Stark (nee Owen) > researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire. > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 39 > ************************************ >

Dear listers. while doing some research on my great great grandmother’s siblings I’ve found that her half sister married an Alfred Owen who it appears descended from Hugh Charles Owen JP who lived in Goodwick. Further research had taken me much further back and I’m wondering if anyone on the list is researching that tree – which I believe connects to the Owens of Orielton? I’ve found various references to Sir Hugh Owen 1803-1891 but am curious as to why his son lived in Goodwick and it looks like his son Alfred married the miller’s daughter Alice. Any pointers gratefully received. Melanie Stark (nee Owen) researching various branches of the tree in North Pembrokeshire.

Hi all can anyone one help regarding a a photography company called Brannon Photography. 1) There were around about 1920 - 1930 2) possible area ammanford, Llanelli pontadilus and <https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&authuser=0&q=llandilo&aq=&vps=1&jsv=476a&sll=51.520412,-3.194748&sspn=0.018238,0.03768&vpsrc=4&ie=UTF8&ct=clnk&cd=1&spell=1#> Llandeilo Where would I find any infforamtion about this company. Thanks Robert Vaughan B.Sc (Hons) MIMMM C.Eng

Yes, the offer came through to me this am. Of interest... they say they do NOT ask for credit card details.  However, I already belong, so what a pity they don't offer a weeks extension of membership or similar ! Jen ________________________________ From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> To: dyfed <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 22 February 2014, 10:08 Subject: [Dyfed] Ancestry UK   This message came across one of the other lists I subscribe to.  I haven't   verified that it is true.   Dai Hi All Free access to Ancestry UK on [1]http://www.ancestry.co.uk/freeaccess Free until 2359 GMT tomorrow (Sunday). References   1. http://www.ancestry.co.uk/freeaccess

This message came across one of the other lists I subscribe to. I haven't verified that it is true. Dai Hi All Free access to Ancestry UK on [1]http://www.ancestry.co.uk/freeaccess Free until 2359 GMT tomorrow (Sunday). References 1. http://www.ancestry.co.uk/freeaccess

In the 1 April 1853 edition of the Welshman the following report can be found: On Tuesday last, a girl named Martha Gambold residing in the parish of Rudbaxton, near Haverfordwest, committed suicide by drowning herself in a winch on her father's premises. It appears that she was enceinte, and some angry words on the subject having passed between her parents and herself in a fit of passion committed the rash deed. There is no death registered for a Martha Gambold in 1853. The only Gambold death registered in 1853 was for Ann Gambold in the Apr quarter at Haverfordwest. Whilst there were girls called Martha in the Gambold family, there was an Ann who, according to other family historians, committed suicide 29 March 1853. I don't have her death certificate. I believe that the newspaper report gave the wrong name, and that this must have been Ann. However, in 1851 she was living in Spittal village with her mother Margaret, and step father William James. Her mother was still living there in 1861. How likely is it that the newspaper report could also have muddled up the parish as well as her name? Where would suicides have been buried in 1853? Thanks Megan

Bettye, Forgive me, but I could not resist copying my reply with a curtailed version of your message to the Dyfed List, as it admirably demonstrates the danger of assuming that the "Gospel" according to Francis is "The Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth." The Grondre associated with the Colby's is in the Parish of Bletherston. See: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/492545 Nothing to do with the part of Cilymaenllwyd Parish known as Grondre. Francis's spawn have yet again made a mockery of their fathers research, to give him the benefit of the doubt. The James Lewis with a Memorial Window at Tenby is probably the James Lewis of Grondre, Cilymaenllwyd who made his will on the 1st April 1824 proved 1825. See: http://hdl.handle.net/10107/12497 Nothing to do with Grondre, Bletherston. When will you realise Bettye that Francis was a Cataloguer not a Historian or Genealogist except for those families he connected to himself. He simply collected references, and his sprogs have seen an opportunity to profit by publishing his notes, without checking facts. Please don't assume anything is correct without checking. Grondre has always confused me. It is variously described as being part of either Cilymaenllwyd or Egremont, which are both Carmarthenshire Parishes, but Grondre is in Pembrokeshire and also described as being part of Llandissilio. The explanation might lie in the fact that all these parishes were served by the same incumbent. Egremont and Cilymaenllwyd are in the Hundred of Derllys Carmarthenshire, and not in Dungleddy as stated by Caroline Jones. If they can't get that much right, how much credence can you give any of the other "facts" quoted on the authority of Francis Jones Herald of Wales Extraordinary (Incompetent). Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Feb 17 2014, 04:42 AM From: "Lance Kirkwood" To: "Simon Carter" Cc: "Rhodri Dafis" Subject: Isaiah Devonald and the Morgans....of Grondre Dear Simon, Looking for something else I stumbled on Grondre, Grondre in Caroline Charles Jones extended version of the Major’s Historic Pembs. Homes book. It read: This was the home of the Colby family in the latter half of the 17th. century, marked on Colby’s Map 1831 just southeast of Vaynor Farm. John Colby of Grondre in 1695 succeeded Richard Colby who paid tax on one heath in 1670 showing it was not a commodious house at that time. Also living at Grondre was cousin, Lawrence Colby, Will proved 11 April 1700. The house belonged in 1786 to Rowland Edwardes and was tenanted by James Lewis whose memorial window in St. Anne’s chapel, St, Mary’s Tenby is inscribed ‘In memory of James Lewis of Grondre, died 6 December, 1824’. By 1843 Frances Morgan was owner-occupier farming 210 acres. Lewis tells us that ‘Grondre, a hamlet in that part of Killymaenllwyd parish which is in the Hundred of Dungleddy, three miles northeast of Narberth, forms an inconsiderable and detached portion of the parish, all the rest situated in Hundred of Derllys, Carms. Ref, Spence-Colby Deeds, Lewis TDW 1834. Regards Bettye K. Rhodri

Hello list, Can somebody give me an email address where I can apply for a will mentioned as above. Kind regards, Elwyn.

Elwyn You will need to apply by post to: - Postal applications for post-1858 wills for England and Wales should now be to Leeds: Postal Searches and Copies Department Leeds District Probate Registry York House York Place Leeds LS1 2BA The fee for a search request is now £6 payable to HMCTS. See: - http://theprobatedepartment.co.uk/find-the-nearest-probate-registry/leeds-district-probate-registry-office/ Adrian On 17/02/2014 19:57, E.Schreuder wrote: > Hello list, > > Can somebody give me an email address where I can apply for a will mentioned > as above. > > Kind regards, > > Elwyn. >

Hi Rob I think you probably mean Glyntai. I'm sending a map offlist Pat On 17/02/2014 10:31, Rob Vaughan wrote: > I been trying to find Glyntay on the map but it keeps sending me to the > show caves near dan y ogof. Can any one tell me where glyntay is llandebie > please > Its driving me nuts > > In addition in 1871 census they refer to Blaenau mountain - i assume thats > north east of the town > > any assistance most welcome >

Rob, This is not an area I am very familiar with, but I do happen to know that the road from Llandybie to Penygroes is known as Blaenau Road. Hope this may help. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Feb 17 2014, 10:31 AM From: "Rob Vaughan" To: "Dyfed Roots web" Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] Waunygors, Glyntay, Llandebie, Carmarthenshire I been trying to find Glyntay on the map but it keeps sending me to the show caves near dan y ogof. Can any one tell me where glyntay is llandebie please Its driving me nuts In addition in 1871 census they refer to Blaenau mountain - i assume thats north east of the town any assistance most welcome -- Robert Vaughan B.Sc (Hons) MIMMM C.Eng ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri

I been trying to find Glyntay on the map but it keeps sending me to the show caves near dan y ogof. Can any one tell me where glyntay is llandebie please Its driving me nuts In addition in 1871 census they refer to Blaenau mountain - i assume thats north east of the town any assistance most welcome -- Robert Vaughan B.Sc (Hons) MIMMM C.Eng