Hi Listers, I am trying to find the baptism details for my Grt-Grt-Grandfather - William Lachlan JORDAN. I am certain he was born out of wedlock and that his parents never married. William was born c.1800/01 and stated on the 1861 census he was born in Pembrokeshire. The Jordan family resided at Dumpledale (now Ashdale) and appear in the registers for Llangwm, Burton, Rosemarket and Steynton. Find My Past have all the parish registers for these parishes and surrounding ones but do not seem to have Llanstadwell, and having looked in all the surrounding parishes, I am hoping to find William in the only place I have not/cannot look. I know that William's father was Richard Jordan, but he will probably not be named on the baptism. Thus, I would like to find all the illegitimate "William's" from the Llanstadwell baptisms c. 1799-1803. Does anyone have access to the baptism records for Llanstadwell? -- John Goold Warehouse Supervisor - Tasmania 15 Killafaddy Road M: 0411 343 048Newstead, Tas. 7250 F: 03 63 392399 SealedAir.comjohn.goold@SealedAir.com My Mission Statement: *To understand what our customers want and create solutions that deliver more than they expect in ways they never expected! *

I'm trying to create a possible family group from the Parish Register of Bettws Ifan, and I have found one entry in which I can't read the child's residence. If someone has knowledge of the area and access to FMP or another version of the actual pages, I'd be grateful for a review. 1 Nov 1835 Baptism Mary Anne Davies Daughter of Rachel & John (labourer) Residence looks like it says Blaencwm on Wern land Thanks in advance to anyone who can figure it out or offer insight!

John - The last time I asked the staff at Pembroke R.O. to do a search, I had to send a check. I have a friend with an account in England, so she sent a check for me and I repaid her in dollars. I think the R.O. charged me £15 an hour. Lynne From: John Goold Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:31 PM To: Lynne Ingalls Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM, Llanstadwell, Baptisms Thanks for the detailed reply Lynne. I have some ideas on a possible christian name for William Jordan's mother but no real certaintity. I will certainly attempt to chase up quarter and petty session records. Does anyone know if the Pembroke record Office accept Paypal - I live in Australia so sending a cheque is slow and costly. On 20 March 2014 10:48, Lynne Ingalls <lynne.ingalls@comcast.net> wrote: John - I think some of the parish records have been lost. I have never been able to find a baptism for an ancestor who resided in Rosemarket in the late 1790's - 1800's, was married in Steynton parish, and had relatives living in Burton, Llanstadwell, and Llangwm. The LDS film numbers for Llanstadwell are 1238692 and 105182, item 2. If you have a Family History Center near you, you can order the film. You can also contact the Pembroke Record Office in Haverfordwest and see if someone can look thru the quarter session and petty session records for you. William's father may have been ordered to provide support for him. Their fees for providing searches are reasonable. William would not have been listed by his father's surname in the LDS records for this time period. They used patronymics to index the records, so he would probably have been listed as William Richard rather than Jordan. That is assuming he used his natural father's name at all. Do you know the mother's name? Regards, Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: John Goold Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:04 PM To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] PEM, Llanstadwell, Baptisms Hi Listers, I am trying to find the baptism details for my Grt-Grt-Grandfather - William Lachlan JORDAN. I am certain he was born out of wedlock and that his parents never married. William was born c.1800/01 and stated on the 1861 census he was born in Pembrokeshire. The Jordan family resided at Dumpledale (now Ashdale) and appear in the registers for Llangwm, Burton, Rosemarket and Steynton. Find My Past have all the parish registers for these parishes and surrounding ones but do not seem to have Llanstadwell, and having looked in all the surrounding parishes, I am hoping to find William in the only place I have not/cannot look. I know that William's father was Richard Jordan, but he will probably not be named on the baptism. Thus, I would like to find all the illegitimate "William's" from the Llanstadwell baptisms c. 1799-1803. Does anyone have access to the baptism records for Llanstadwell? -- John Goold Warehouse Supervisor - Tasmania 15 Killafaddy Road M: 0411 343 048Newstead, Tas. 7250 F: 03 63 392399 SealedAir.comjohn.goold@SealedAir.com My Mission Statement: *To understand what our customers want and create solutions that deliver more than they expect in ways they never expected! * ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- John Goold Warehouse Supervisor - Tasmania 15 Killafaddy Road M: 0411 343 048 Newstead, Tas. 7250 F: 03 63 392399 SealedAir.com john.goold@SealedAir.com My Mission Statement: To understand what our customers want and create solutions that deliver more than they expect in ways they never expected!

John - I think some of the parish records have been lost. I have never been able to find a baptism for an ancestor who resided in Rosemarket in the late 1790's - 1800's, was married in Steynton parish, and had relatives living in Burton, Llanstadwell, and Llangwm. The LDS film numbers for Llanstadwell are 1238692 and 105182, item 2. If you have a Family History Center near you, you can order the film. You can also contact the Pembroke Record Office in Haverfordwest and see if someone can look thru the quarter session and petty session records for you. William's father may have been ordered to provide support for him. Their fees for providing searches are reasonable. William would not have been listed by his father's surname in the LDS records for this time period. They used patronymics to index the records, so he would probably have been listed as William Richard rather than Jordan. That is assuming he used his natural father's name at all. Do you know the mother's name? Regards, Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: John Goold Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 4:04 PM To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] PEM, Llanstadwell, Baptisms Hi Listers, I am trying to find the baptism details for my Grt-Grt-Grandfather - William Lachlan JORDAN. I am certain he was born out of wedlock and that his parents never married. William was born c.1800/01 and stated on the 1861 census he was born in Pembrokeshire. The Jordan family resided at Dumpledale (now Ashdale) and appear in the registers for Llangwm, Burton, Rosemarket and Steynton. Find My Past have all the parish registers for these parishes and surrounding ones but do not seem to have Llanstadwell, and having looked in all the surrounding parishes, I am hoping to find William in the only place I have not/cannot look. I know that William's father was Richard Jordan, but he will probably not be named on the baptism. Thus, I would like to find all the illegitimate "William's" from the Llanstadwell baptisms c. 1799-1803. Does anyone have access to the baptism records for Llanstadwell? -- John Goold Warehouse Supervisor - Tasmania 15 Killafaddy Road M: 0411 343 048Newstead, Tas. 7250 F: 03 63 392399 SealedAir.comjohn.goold@SealedAir.com My Mission Statement: *To understand what our customers want and create solutions that deliver more than they expect in ways they never expected! * ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Interesting! How could I benefit? I am especially interested in: 27 May 1695- Francis GEOARGE, of Llangolman Parish 22 Apr 1709- William GEOARGE, Landissillio Parish 17 Aug 1712- Thomas GOARGE, Narbeth Parish 25 May 1712- John GOARGE [no parish listed] 2 Feb 1724- Lewhellin GEOARGE, Gwnda Parish 1 Jun 1730- Ann GEOARGE, Narberth Parish Who were bapt at Rhydwilym [Baptist] Chapel, Pembrokeshire, Wales Would love to locate mar, death, civil records... for any of them. Thanks. Hal McCawley, 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760-941-4716 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Horn" <dx2_horn@yahoo.com> To: <george@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2014 9:42 PM Subject: [GEORGE] wales >I have a cd on wales history and genealogy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEORGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: 1. St David's Church, Pontrhydfendigaid, Cardiganshire (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/pontrhydfendigaid1.htm 2. Pontrhydyrun Baptist Chapel, Cwmbrân, Monmouthshire (photography by Steve Veysey) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/pontrhydyrun1.htm 2. St Catherine's Church, Princes Gate, Pembrokeshire (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/princes-gate1.htm My 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features 321 churches and chapels, with around another fifty in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: http://www.blfhs.co.uk/

Dear Rhodri, “1795...Rev. Thomas Nicholas, curate of Machen in Monmouthshire having six young children and only 18 l. per annum.” In 1842 he was referred to as “late Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monm. and one of the Curates of St. George’s Hanover Sq.” that’s when his youngest daughter married in Islington. I seem to have mixed up a news report as I only have bits and one line runs into another.....another clergyman apparently received the 30 l. However, I get your point....he could have had an assistant at Machen when he was actually Rector, and helped out at St. George’s.....but he was only a lowly curate whilst the examples you’ve given me seem to have held Higher Offices. Perhaps he worked as a curate at St. George’s then was moved on to a living at Machen. Regards, Bettye K. From: yr achwr Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 9:57 AM To: Lance Kirkwood ; Lynne Ingalls Cc: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Bettye, What date are we talking about? Most of the Rectors were Non Resident up to 1845. 1845 Henry Howarth, B.D. a.. Chaplain in Ordinary to the Queen. He reformed the Services at St George's, instituting a weekly Communion Service, and was active in improving the condition of the poor in the parish. 1803 Robert Hodgson, M.A. a.. He was also Vicar of Hillingdon; 1810-40; Archdeacon of St Alban's, 1814-16; Dean of Chester, 1816-20; Dean of Carlisle, 1820-44. Through the marriage of his grand daughter to the Earl of Srathmore, he was an ancestor of the present Queen. 1774 Henry Reginald Courtenay, D.C.L. a.. While Rector of St George's, he was also Rector of Lee, Kent, 1773-94; Prebendary of Exeter, 1772-94; Bishop of Bristol, 1794-97; Bishop and Archdeacon of Exeter, 1797-1803. He was buried in the vault of Grosvenor Chapel. 1759 Charles Moss, D.D. a.. He continued to hold the living on his appointment as Bishop of St David's in 1766, but resigned on his elevation to the Bishopric of Bath and Wells in 1774. 1725 Andrew Trebeck, D.D. a.. Born 1681; educated Charterhouse and Christ Church, Oxford. Vicar of Croydon, 1720 - 27. With St George's he also held the living of Shelley, Essex, where he was buried in 1759. "The 18th century Rectors were intermittently resident, being Pluralists and holding other appointments elsewhere as Bishops or Deans, in spite of the fact that the living was considered a rich one, being worth about £1500 a year with a fine house in Grosvenor Street. The emoluments were sufficiently attractive for Dr. William Dodd, a Royal chaplain and popular preacher in 1774 to offer the Lord Chancellor's wife £3000 and an annuity of £500 to obtain the living for him. She reported the matter, he lost his reputation and was hanged three years later at Tyburn for forgery." The chances are that the Rector of Machen, kept a Curate at Machen and resided in London.. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Mar 15 2014, 09:53 PM From: "Lance Kirkwood" To: "Lynne Ingalls" Cc: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear Lynne, Thank you for your reply......I was hoping someone would know if parish clergymen were called upon to go to London to assist on special occasions and if and why certain people were chosen for such a task. It surprised me that a Welshman would be called for such a duty......he must have been fluent in English, I imagine...or had some special skill. I have another record where this man received 30l annual salary and had to maintain a wife and family of 6 children. ...another rector is recorded as having 6 children and only received 18l. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 5:08 AM To: Lance Kirkwood ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Dear Bettye, Machen was located on the Tregedar Estate, so Sir Charles Morgan (formerly Gould), of Tredegar Park (1760-1846), would have 'owned' Machen and its Rector. Perhaps it was through this close connection with Sir Charles that Rev Thomas Nicholas was engaged as a curate for St George's, Hanover Square? There is a biography of Sir Charles Morgan, 2nd Baronet, on the History of Parliament website: http://tinyurl.com/p8f5set Just a thought.. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Dear Lynne, Thank you for your reply......I was hoping someone would know if parish clergymen were called upon to go to London to assist on special occasions and if and why certain people were chosen for such a task. It surprised me that a Welshman would be called for such a duty......he must have been fluent in English, I imagine...or had some special skill. I have another record where this man received 30l annual salary and had to maintain a wife and family of 6 children. ...another rector is recorded as having 6 children and only received 18l. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 5:08 AM To: Lance Kirkwood ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bettye, What date are we talking about? Most of the Rectors were Non Resident up to 1845. 1845 Henry Howarth, B.D. Chaplain in Ordinary to the Queen. He reformed the Services at St George's, instituting a weekly Communion Service, and was active in improving the condition of the poor in the parish.1803 Robert Hodgson, M.A. He was also Vicar of Hillingdon; 1810-40; Archdeacon of St Alban's, 1814-16; Dean of Chester, 1816-20; Dean of Carlisle, 1820-44. Through the marriage of his grand daughter to the Earl of Srathmore, he was an ancestor of the present Queen.1774 Henry Reginald Courtenay, D.C.L. While Rector of St George's, he was also Rector of Lee, Kent, 1773-94; Prebendary of Exeter, 1772-94; Bishop of Bristol, 1794-97; Bishop and Archdeacon of Exeter, 1797-1803. He was buried in the vault of Grosvenor Chapel.1759 Charles Moss, D.D. He continued to hold the living on his appointment as Bishop of St David's in 1766, but resigned on his elevation to the Bishopric of Bath and Wells in 1774.1725 Andrew Trebeck, D.D. Born 1681; educated Charterhouse and Christ Church, Oxford. Vicar of Croydon, 1720 - 27. With St George's he also held the living of Shelley, Essex, where he was buried in 1759. "The 18th century Rectors were intermittently resident, being Pluralists and holding other appointments elsewhere as Bishops or Deans, in spite of the fact that the living was considered a rich one, being worth about £1500 a year with a fine house in Grosvenor Street. The emoluments were sufficiently attractive for Dr. William Dodd, a Royal chaplain and popular preacher in 1774 to offer the Lord Chancellor's wife £3000 and an annuity of £500 to obtain the living for him. She reported the matter, he lost his reputation and was hanged three years later at Tyburn for forgery." The chances are that the Rector of Machen, kept a Curate at Machen and resided in London.. Achwr ======================================== Message Received: Mar 15 2014, 09:53 PM From: "Lance Kirkwood" To: "Lynne Ingalls" Cc: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear Lynne, Thank you for your reply......I was hoping someone would know if parish clergymen were called upon to go to London to assist on special occasions and if and why certain people were chosen for such a task. It surprised me that a Welshman would be called for such a duty......he must have been fluent in English, I imagine...or had some special skill. I have another record where this man received 30l annual salary and had to maintain a wife and family of 6 children. ...another rector is recorded as having 6 children and only received 18l. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Lynne Ingalls Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 5:08 AM To: Lance Kirkwood ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Men of religion Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ACHWR

Bettye - According to the dictionary of Genealogy: "until the 17th century the term 'curate' was often synonymous with 'incumbent', but latterly it was applied almost exclusively to an assistant parish priest, paid a salary or stipend and removable by the incumbent or bishop. A Perpetual Curate is one in charge of a parish church where the tithes have been impropriated and there is no endowed vicarage." The rector was "the owner of a parish benefice, who was also the recipient, until they were commuted, of the Great Tithes. He was responsible for the upkeep of the chancel of his church as his private portion of the building." Hope this helps. Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: Lance Kirkwood Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 4:46 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Men of religion Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, This is directed mainly at Mr. Paul Vivash if he is available, but another Lister may have an explanation. I’m just curious! St. George’s Hanover Square seems to be one of the most fashionable wedding venues for the gentry.....at least in fiction late 17-early-1800’s. One of my Devonalds married the daughter of the “Rev. Thomas Nicholas, Rector of Machen, Monmouthshire and one of the curates of St. George’s Hanover Square”. This was shown in a newspaper cutting...it is not as if the rector could pop up the road and do both jobs simultaneously so what I would like to know is if it was a common practice to draw lesser clergy from various parts of the country to assist the incumbent at St. George’s...or were there special reasons for such men to be allocated these curate roles in London. I would have imagined the senior minister at such a major Church would have several curates, in residence, to help him. Did the incumbent attend to births, deaths and marriage...any pomp and circumstance..... and was the curate’s role more administrative? The Nicholas daughters appear to have married in various Counties so it apparently did not entitle him to preside over his children’s weddings at such an exalted location. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: 1. Pantteg Independent Chapel, Pant-teg, Ystalyfera, Glamorgan (photography by John Ball) This is the chapel that was almost engulfed by a landslip in December 2012. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/pant-teg1.htm 2. Penuel Independent Chapel, Bwlch, Breconshire (photography by John Ball) This chapel was recently sold for conversion into a private residence. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/bwlch1.htm My 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' now features well over three hundred churches and chapels, with at least another fifty in the pipeline. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Blog: http://johnofbrecon.com Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys RootsWeb mailing list Joint Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: http://www.blfhs.co.uk/

Roscoe Howells was a wonderful man. We met at Haverfordwest Library and my husband and I took to him straight away. This may have been about 30 years ago, but you don't forget characters easily do you? We met him again later that day, and he told us that he had been to the Registrar and whilst there made some enquiries for us, and to go there straight away as the Registrar had my James Raymond's marriage certificate. I still have Roscoe's card. My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CHRIS REAY Sent: 09 March 2014 19:42 To: Gerry Lewis Cc: Dyfed Roots web Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Roscoe Howells 1919- January 13 2014 Hello Gerry, Lovely to hear your reminiscing memories of Roscoe Howells. I am very proud of the fact that Roscoe Howells was a very dear family friend. In fact, he gave the eulogy speech at my father's funeral - one that I and many others will never forget. Roscoe was a great raconteur of local stories and local knowledge of Pembrokeshire. He was a unique person - I have never met anyone who could tell a story like Roscoe! I saw him last just before Christmas, and although he was tired, very tired, he still had the ability and desire to tell a yarn! He wrote many factual books on Pembrokeshire which will be around forever but very sadly his knowledge of the people and places will be gone. Great man, great loss, very likeable although sometimes controversial too! He will be sadly missed!! Sarah (nee Cowl) from Pembrokeshire, now living in Northumberland. On 9 March 2014 14:45, Gerry Lewis <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> wrote: > Hello All > > Yesterday's Daily Telegraph contained the obituary of Roscoe Howells. > Welsh historian and author - why it should have taken so long since > his death is strange, but perhaps he wasn't "famous" enough. > > However, I'm grateful that they did publish it - put "Roscoe Howells > obituary" into your search engine and you'll find it. > > He lived in Amroth and I was fortunate, about fifteen years ago, to > meet him in Colby Woodland Garden nearby. He must have been in his > late seventies then, but appeared fit as a fiddle. We had a long chat, > as I possessed several of his books on Pembrokeshire. He wrote both > novels ("Heronsmill" was one) and factual books. I did have a copy of > "From Amroth to Utah" (which he wrote in 2001), but gave it away to a > friend who had forebears from that area. > > Gerry Lewis >

Dear Rob, In the pre 1813 Pemb. Marriages index Puncheston records are listed from 1675 to 1810 and Little Newcastle 1799 - 1812 but nothing appears under your surnames for either males or females. In the marriages index after 1813 I noted one record for Benjamin Howell and Ann Shadrach at Puncheston 16/08/1831...if this one interests you, then some kind person might look for the actual entry on Find My Past or Ancestry....I have neither.....and possibly tell you who acted as witnesses...or perhaps you could find them in the 1841 census. I did not bother to trawl through the Evans after 1813 as you may already have searched the marriage index...if not, can do! I only have one Puncheston Land Tax record....and I did not have any luck looking there either...but perhaps, if all else fails, the Pemb. RO could do a small search of those for you. They cover from 1786 to 1831 usually. I did note that a Mary "Question Mark" married Gilbert Thomas at Puncheston in 1688 (from the Bishop's Transcripts) ...I was beginning to think no records were available and the registers must contain blank pages. There were members of an early EVAN family who married in Puncheston if that's any help. It would certainly assist Dyflist members if you could set out any known details of people you are actually seeking. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Vaughan Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 4:15 AM To: Dyfed Roots web Subject: [Dyfed] Puncheston and little newcastle Pemproke Hi I was wondering if anyone does look up on parish record. I spent quite a few frustrating hours trying to read the parish records for the above areas. I found most of the film unreadable due to the quality. I have a number of questions 1) does anyone know where the originals are and if its possible to read them 2) have the parish records been transcribed? 3) Does anyone do look ups for this area for parish records? 4) if so I am looking for any of those below from 1790 - 1840 a) Howell(s) from Puncheston b) Evans in Little Newcastle any help would be most welcome Robert Vaughan ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,   Apologies, as I have now found that  there are christenings from 1783  at National Library of Wales and Haverfordwest Records, in respect of Little Newcastle. Also burials 1783 - 1813 and Marriages 1813 - 1966. There are a few Bishops Transcripts records at National Library of Wales but I do not think they are the years you are looking for.   Yvonne Evans

Hi Rob and List, I have found births for Little Newcastle in 1795 which I obtained from Haverfordwest Record Office Pembrokeshire.   Haverfordwest R.O do look ups but I am uncertain whether there is a charge and how much.  I have been unable to trace Little Newcastle records for around 30 years prior to 1790's and I believe they no longer exist. Yvonne Evans From: Rob Vaughan <robvaughan1005@gmail.com> To: Dyfed Roots web <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014, 17:15 Subject: [Dyfed] Puncheston and little newcastle Pemproke Hi I was wondering if anyone does look up on parish record. I spent quite a few frustrating hours  trying to read the parish records for the above areas.  I found most of the film unreadable due to the quality. I have a number of questions 1) does anyone know where the originals are and if its possible to read them 2) have the parish records been transcribed? 3) Does anyone do look ups for this area for parish records? 4) if so I am looking for any of those below from 1790 - 1840 a) Howell(s) from Puncheston b) Evans  in Little Newcastle any help would be most welcome Robert Vaughan ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html  [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Gerry, Lovely to hear your reminiscing memories of Roscoe Howells. I am very proud of the fact that Roscoe Howells was a very dear family friend. In fact, he gave the eulogy speech at my father's funeral - one that I and many others will never forget. Roscoe was a great raconteur of local stories and local knowledge of Pembrokeshire. He was a unique person - I have never met anyone who could tell a story like Roscoe! I saw him last just before Christmas, and although he was tired, very tired, he still had the ability and desire to tell a yarn! He wrote many factual books on Pembrokeshire which will be around forever but very sadly his knowledge of the people and places will be gone. Great man, great loss, very likeable although sometimes controversial too! He will be sadly missed!! Sarah (nee Cowl) from Pembrokeshire, now living in Northumberland. On 9 March 2014 14:45, Gerry Lewis <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> wrote: > Hello All > > Yesterday's Daily Telegraph contained the obituary of Roscoe Howells. > Welsh historian and author - why it should have taken so long since his > death is strange, but perhaps he wasn't "famous" enough. > > However, I'm grateful that they did publish it - put "Roscoe Howells > obituary" into your search engine and you'll find it. > > He lived in Amroth and I was fortunate, about fifteen years ago, to meet > him in Colby Woodland Garden nearby. He must have been in his late > seventies then, but appeared fit as a fiddle. We had a long chat, as I > possessed several of his books on Pembrokeshire. He wrote both novels > ("Heronsmill" was one) and factual books. I did have a copy of "From > Amroth to Utah" (which he wrote in 2001), but gave it away to a friend who > had forebears from that area. > > Gerry Lewis > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gerry Sorry to hear that sad news. I did not know him, but also read his book 'From Amroth to Utah'. Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Lewis Sent: 09 March 2014 14:46 To: Dyfed Roots web Subject: [Dyfed] Roscoe Howells 1919- January 13 2014 Hello All Yesterday's Daily Telegraph contained the obituary of Roscoe Howells. Welsh historian and author - why it should have taken so long since his death is strange, but perhaps he wasn't "famous" enough. However, I'm grateful that they did publish it - put "Roscoe Howells obituary" into your search engine and you'll find it. He lived in Amroth and I was fortunate, about fifteen years ago, to meet him in Colby Woodland Garden nearby. He must have been in his late seventies then, but appeared fit as a fiddle. We had a long chat, as I possessed several of his books on Pembrokeshire. He wrote both novels ("Heronsmill" was one) and factual books. I did have a copy of "From Amroth to Utah" (which he wrote in 2001), but gave it away to a friend who had forebears from that area. Gerry Lewis ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All Yesterday's Daily Telegraph contained the obituary of Roscoe Howells. Welsh historian and author - why it should have taken so long since his death is strange, but perhaps he wasn't "famous" enough. However, I'm grateful that they did publish it - put "Roscoe Howells obituary" into your search engine and you'll find it. He lived in Amroth and I was fortunate, about fifteen years ago, to meet him in Colby Woodland Garden nearby. He must have been in his late seventies then, but appeared fit as a fiddle. We had a long chat, as I possessed several of his books on Pembrokeshire. He wrote both novels ("Heronsmill" was one) and factual books. I did have a copy of "From Amroth to Utah" (which he wrote in 2001), but gave it away to a friend who had forebears from that area. Gerry Lewis