Dyfed FHS has been experimenting with a Facebook Page. It is not intended to be an alternative forum. It is intended to promote our website by showing what's available for family history researchers, and any new additions to the website. You will find it here: www.facebook.com/pages/Dyfed-Family-History-Society/251206381728511 However the reason for this post is not to promote our Facebook Page. Early in 2011 somebody created a Facebook Page in the name of Dyfed Family History Society. This rogue Facebook Page is not fully formed and has received only five posts since 2011 (two of which are recent ones from me), nevertheless it still shows in Face Book searches and occasionally in Google searches. It's not good to have an unattended Facebook Page in our name and it needs to be removed. It has probably been created by someone with an interest in Dyfed. I've asked those who were society officers at that time - negative response. I've emailed the Page - no reply. I've posted a statement on the Page - no reaction from the owner. I've reported the situation to Facebook - no reaction. I think that whoever created this page has probably forgotten that they did so! Can anyone in this community help me track down the owner and thus achieve its demise? Best Wishes Glyn Editor, DFHS Journal
Dyfed FHS has been experimenting with a Facebook Page. It is not intended to be an alternative forum. It is intended to promote our website by showing what's available for family history researchers, and any new additions to the website. You will find it here: www.facebook.com/pages/Dyfed-Family-History-Society/251206381728511 However the reason for this post is not to promote our Facebook Page. Early in 2011 somebody created a Facebook Page in the name of Dyfed Family History Society. This rogue Facebook Page is not fully formed and has received only five posts since 2011 (two of which are recent ones from me), nevertheless it still shows in Face Book searches and occasionally in Google searches. It's not good to have an unattended Facebook Page in our name and it needs to be removed. It has probably been created by someone with an interest in Dyfed. I've asked those who were society officers at that time - negative response. I've emailed the Page - no reply. I've posted a statement on the Page - no reaction from the owner. I've reported the situation to Facebook - no reaction. I think that whoever created this page has probably forgotten that they did so! Can anyone in this community help me track down the owner and thus achieve its demise? Best Wishes Glyn Editor, DFHS Journal
Thank you Bettye. On 3 April 2014 21:37, Lance Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Dear Megan and Sandra, > > Major Jones' writings give 1753 to 1784 William Cozens living at > Capestone....he died 1784 and his sons William and John A. Cozens settled > at Sandyhaven and Rosepool. In mediaeval times it was apparently > Caprich's > tun after the land's owner , Peter son of Robert Caprich in 1373. > Bettye Kirkwood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandra Davies > Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 6:24 AM > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] FW: Place Name > > > Hi Megan > > Definitely 'ton' on the end, comparing it with how Steynton is written and > the first letter looks the same as the 'C' on Chattels in the will above. > Could it be Caposton or Capeston? > > Regards > Sandra > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Megan Roberts > Sent: 03 April 2014 19:47 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Place Name > > I have been looking at a Will on Ancestry: "England & Wales, Prerogative > Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 : Probate Date: 3 Feb 1786 : > Residence: Steynton, Pembrokeshire : William Cozens". > > Ancestry have transcribed Steynton as "Heynton". > > When you look at the original document (which is on Ancestry) there is a > residence name before the parish, and I wondered if anyone who access to > this data set could have a look at it and tell me what they think it says? > > Many thanks. > Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Megan Roberts Mobile: +44 7702 093 714 Home: +44 1257 231955
Dear Megan and Sandra, Major Jones' writings give 1753 to 1784 William Cozens living at Capestone....he died 1784 and his sons William and John A. Cozens settled at Sandyhaven and Rosepool. In mediaeval times it was apparently Caprich's tun after the land's owner , Peter son of Robert Caprich in 1373. Bettye Kirkwood -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Davies Sent: Friday, April 4, 2014 6:24 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] FW: Place Name Hi Megan Definitely 'ton' on the end, comparing it with how Steynton is written and the first letter looks the same as the 'C' on Chattels in the will above. Could it be Caposton or Capeston? Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Roberts Sent: 03 April 2014 19:47 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Place Name I have been looking at a Will on Ancestry: "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 : Probate Date: 3 Feb 1786 : Residence: Steynton, Pembrokeshire : William Cozens". Ancestry have transcribed Steynton as "Heynton". When you look at the original document (which is on Ancestry) there is a residence name before the parish, and I wondered if anyone who access to this data set could have a look at it and tell me what they think it says? Many thanks. Megan ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Pat and Sandra. I only realised today that Ancestry had the original images, so I have been having a good look through! Megan On 3 April 2014 20:24, Sandra Davies <sdavies818@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Megan > > Definitely 'ton' on the end, comparing it with how Steynton is written and > the first letter looks the same as the 'C' on Chattels in the will above. > Could it be Caposton or Capeston? > > Regards > Sandra > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Megan Roberts > Sent: 03 April 2014 19:47 > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Place Name > > I have been looking at a Will on Ancestry: "England & Wales, Prerogative > Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 : Probate Date: 3 Feb 1786 : > Residence: Steynton, Pembrokeshire : William Cozens". > > Ancestry have transcribed Steynton as "Heynton". > > When you look at the original document (which is on Ancestry) there is a > residence name before the parish, and I wondered if anyone who access to > this data set could have a look at it and tell me what they think it says? > > Many thanks. > Megan > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Megan Roberts Mobile: +44 7702 093 714 Home: +44 1257 231955
Hi Megan Definitely 'ton' on the end, comparing it with how Steynton is written and the first letter looks the same as the 'C' on Chattels in the will above. Could it be Caposton or Capeston? Regards Sandra -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Megan Roberts Sent: 03 April 2014 19:47 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Place Name I have been looking at a Will on Ancestry: "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 : Probate Date: 3 Feb 1786 : Residence: Steynton, Pembrokeshire : William Cozens". Ancestry have transcribed Steynton as "Heynton". When you look at the original document (which is on Ancestry) there is a residence name before the parish, and I wondered if anyone who access to this data set could have a look at it and tell me what they think it says? Many thanks. Megan ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have been looking at a Will on Ancestry: "England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 : Probate Date: 3 Feb 1786 : Residence: Steynton, Pembrokeshire : William Cozens". Ancestry have transcribed Steynton as "Heynton". When you look at the original document (which is on Ancestry) there is a residence name before the parish, and I wondered if anyone who access to this data set could have a look at it and tell me what they think it says? Many thanks. Megan
Peggy Aberystwyth is some 38 miles to the north of Cardigan, they are virtually at the opposite ends of the County. So no connection, except Aberystwyth is the County of Cardigan John -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pfoight@juno.com Sent: 31 March 2014 19:30 To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] (PEM) (GLA) Ann WILLIAMS, b 15 March 1843, Cardigan Town Before I nudge another family researcher who has listed Ann's birthplace as Aberystwyth, is there any connection of Aberystwyth to Cardigan Town, such as the name of the town was renamed? In the 1861 Merthyr Tydfil census she is listed as having been born in Cardigan Town. Thanks for your help. Peggy ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5339b489354634883fa1st03vuc ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wow - you're very quick, John. I included PEM because she lived in Llanddewi-Velfrey until 1850-something, then moved to GLA, and I wasn't sure where Cardigan Town is/was located (even tho its name pretty much describes the shire). Thanks for the information. Peggy On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 19:37:30 +0100 "John Ellis" <tyke.taff@btinternet.com> writes: > Peggy > Aberystwyth is some 38 miles to the north of Cardigan, they are > virtually at > the opposite ends of the County. So no connection, except > Aberystwyth is the > County of Cardigan > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of pfoight@juno.com > Sent: 31 March 2014 19:30 > To: DYFED-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] (PEM) (GLA) Ann WILLIAMS, b 15 March 1843, Cardigan > Town > > Before I nudge another family researcher who has listed Ann's > birthplace as > Aberystwyth, is there any connection of Aberystwyth to Cardigan > Town, such > as the name of the town was renamed? > In the 1861 Merthyr Tydfil census she is listed as having been born > in > Cardigan Town. > > Thanks for your help. > > Peggy > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) > 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat > storage > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5339b489354634883fa1st03vuc > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources > http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > >
Before I nudge another family researcher who has listed Ann's birthplace as Aberystwyth, is there any connection of Aberystwyth to Cardigan Town, such as the name of the town was renamed? In the 1861 Merthyr Tydfil census she is listed as having been born in Cardigan Town. Thanks for your help. Peggy ____________________________________________________________ Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5339b489354634883fa1st03vuc
I usually don't read the whole thread on a subject that isn't of personal interest, but this one caught my eye early and have been following it from the start. I don't know what problem Rhodri has but I don't believe I have ever experienced such a rude and insulting person on another Rootsweb list - ever. What an angry man he is! I totally agree with John - well and truly time for the Red card. Jan. On 27/03/2014 9:32 AM, John wrote: > Dai, > > Time you got out the red card. One of the worst cases of ‘rudeness’ I’ve ever seen on any list. > > Any more and I’m off. > > John. > > From: Dai & Angela Bevan > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:36 PM > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] ADMIN - Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers > > Can we please take any personal discussion off list. The petition exists > - please support it or ignore it as you wish. > > Dai > > > > ============================== > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7250 - Release Date: 03/26/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7253 - Release Date: 03/26/14 >
This matter has been dealt with off-list. Please, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. If this is not adhered to then I will place all the list on moderation and nothing will get through unless I or my deputy release it - not something I want to do. Dai List admin On 27/03/2014 09:33, Jan Shaw wrote: > I usually don't read the whole thread on a subject that isn't of > personal interest, but this one caught my eye early and have been > following it from the start. > > I don't know what problem Rhodri has but I don't believe I have ever > experienced such a rude and insulting person on another Rootsweb list - > ever. What an angry man he is! > > I totally agree with John - well and truly time for the Red card. > > Jan. > > > On 27/03/2014 9:32 AM, John wrote: >> Dai, >> >> Time you got out the red card. One of the worst cases of ‘rudeness’ I’ve ever seen on any list. >> >> Any more and I’m off. >> >> John. >
Another uncalled for outburst which really should receive a public reprimand. However much knowledge and expertise a person may have there comes a time they are non grata. I have no desire to be subjected to this type of correspondence. I learn much more from other contributors but if it is a question of choice I will unsubscribe. Edward On 27 March 2014 07:00, <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers (RHODRI DAFIS) > 2. Re: ADMIN - Re: ?Campaign to Open Historic Registers > (RHODRI DAFIS) > 3. Re: ADMIN - Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers (John) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 22:32:08 -0000 > From: "John" <john.gw@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] ADMIN - Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers > To: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <daibevan@clara.co.uk>, <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <678C8B77BC4E4C6C8A09EF04F0718CBE@Modula8030i> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Dai, > > Time you got out the red card. One of the worst cases of ?rudeness? I?ve > ever seen on any list. > > Any more and I?m off. > > John. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7250 - Release Date: 03/26/14 > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7253 - Release Date: 03/26/14 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 9, Issue 57 > ************************************ >
Dai, Time you got out the red card. One of the worst cases of ‘rudeness’ I’ve ever seen on any list. Any more and I’m off. John. From: Dai & Angela Bevan Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:36 PM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] ADMIN - Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers Can we please take any personal discussion off list. The petition exists - please support it or ignore it as you wish. Dai ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7250 - Release Date: 03/26/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4354 / Virus Database: 3722/7253 - Release Date: 03/26/14
Dai, The fact that the petition exists is irrelevant. If there was a petition to castrate all the descendants of Prince Phillip the most upwardly mobile Greek since Icarus, would you consider it not a worthy subject for debate on the list? Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 26 2014, 04:36 PM From: "Dai & Angela Bevan" To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [Dyfed] ADMIN - Re: Campaign to Open Historic Registers Can we please take any personal discussion off list. The petition exists - please support it or ignore it as you wish. Dai ================================ Dyfed list REVISED resources http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html [Dec2012] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Rhodri
Helen, As a former member and Treasurer for many years of DyfedFHS I feel I am qualified to pronounce on the differences between Local Family History Societies and purely Commercial Interests. If you want "niche" information - MI Transcriptions etc., then you need Family History Societies, as the data is so specific, Commercial Concerns will never do the ground work involved, as it would cost more than the return. You accuse me of championing Local Family History Societies. What exactly is your connection to Dyfed? Put up or shut up. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 26 2014, 04:10 PM From: "ColeValleyGirl" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Rhodri, Since you asked so nicely, I’m an amateur genealogist. I volunteer as moderator for a Genealogy Q&A site (which I have never named on this mailing list) and I write free Genealogy software (also never promoted here). Helen P.S. I look forward to your response to my original post on this topic. From: RHODRI DAFIS [mailto:rdafis@fsmail.net] Sent: 26 March 2014 15:57 To: ColeValleyGirl; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Helen, Are you a "professional " researcher, and do have a vested interest? "I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you." To me the above statement smacks of arrogance, and personal interest. As I said, put up or shut up. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 26 2014, 03:39 PM From: "ColeValleyGirl" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Rhodri, 1. One obvious benefit that you seem to have overlooked in the heat of your outrage is that, if this petition bears fruit , the Family History Societies you are championing **would be entitled to the necessary access to the registers** to perform the indexing you advocate -- as you say, at the moment it's hit-and-miss what they can do. But I would hardly call this "niche" information -- it's bread-and-butter for genealogy in England and Wales. 2. I believe Gareth is referring to the DoVe project: "A project, called DoVE (Digitisation of Vital Events), to digitise the GRO's records of birth, marriage and death was initiated in 2005. Implementation of the project was Outsourced to Siemens IT Solutions and Services in a three-year contract which expired at the end of July 2008. The process of scanning, digitising and indexing suffered severe delays, with only (roughly) half the records delivered by the end of the contract period. By mutual agreement between the IPS and Siemens, the contract was not extended. Digitisation of birth records up to 1934 and death records up to 1957 had been completed when the contract ended. The records that have been digitised over 130 million of them form part of a system (called EAGLE, for "Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events") which is used within the GRO to fulfil requests for certificates from the general public. A different system, known as MAGPIE ("MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events"), was intended to make the indexes available to the public via a website, but this will not now be implemented. " (From Wikipedia). I do hope you will accept this as facts and figures and not opinions; if you don't like Wikipedia (even though it is not a commercial organisation), Google will return other substantiation, including this: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11 8664/23788-civil-registration.pdf which gives some idea of the costs to date (£8.33m) and projected costs to complete (£25-30m). 3. I note you have not yet replied to my original response to your tirade, not have you accused me (yet) of having a commercial interest in the outcome, but for the avoidance of doubt: I am a genealogist AND a member of the public WITH NO commercial interest in the outcome (very similar to Guy Etchells, who has raised the petition). I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you. Helen Rhodri Rhodri
Helen, Are you a "professional " researcher, and do have a vested interest? "I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you." To me the above statement smacks of arrogance, and personal interest. As I said, put up or shut up. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 26 2014, 03:39 PM From: "ColeValleyGirl" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Rhodri, 1. One obvious benefit that you seem to have overlooked in the heat of your outrage is that, if this petition bears fruit , the Family History Societies you are championing **would be entitled to the necessary access to the registers** to perform the indexing you advocate -- as you say, at the moment it's hit-and-miss what they can do. But I would hardly call this "niche" information -- it's bread-and-butter for genealogy in England and Wales. 2. I believe Gareth is referring to the DoVe project: "A project, called DoVE (Digitisation of Vital Events), to digitise the GRO's records of birth, marriage and death was initiated in 2005. Implementation of the project was Outsourced to Siemens IT Solutions and Services in a three-year contract which expired at the end of July 2008. The process of scanning, digitising and indexing suffered severe delays, with only (roughly) half the records delivered by the end of the contract period. By mutual agreement between the IPS and Siemens, the contract was not extended. Digitisation of birth records up to 1934 and death records up to 1957 had been completed when the contract ended. The records that have been digitised over 130 million of them form part of a system (called EAGLE, for "Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events") which is used within the GRO to fulfil requests for certificates from the general public. A different system, known as MAGPIE ("MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events"), was intended to make the indexes available to the public via a website, but this will not now be implemented. " (From Wikipedia). I do hope you will accept this as facts and figures and not opinions; if you don't like Wikipedia (even though it is not a commercial organisation), Google will return other substantiation, including this: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11 8664/23788-civil-registration.pdf which gives some idea of the costs to date (£8.33m) and projected costs to complete (£25-30m). 3. I note you have not yet replied to my original response to your tirade, not have you accused me (yet) of having a commercial interest in the outcome, but for the avoidance of doubt: I am a genealogist AND a member of the public WITH NO commercial interest in the outcome (very similar to Guy Etchells, who has raised the petition). I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you. Helen Rhodri
Can we please take any personal discussion off list. The petition exists - please support it or ignore it as you wish. Dai
Rhodri, Since you asked so nicely, I’m an amateur genealogist. I volunteer as moderator for a Genealogy Q&A site (which I have never named on this mailing list) and I write free Genealogy software (also never promoted here). Helen P.S. I look forward to your response to my original post on this topic. From: RHODRI DAFIS [mailto:rdafis@fsmail.net] Sent: 26 March 2014 15:57 To: ColeValleyGirl; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Helen, Are you a "professional " researcher, and do have a vested interest? "I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you." To me the above statement smacks of arrogance, and personal interest. As I said, put up or shut up. Rhodri ======================================== Message Received: Mar 26 2014, 03:39 PM From: "ColeValleyGirl" To: rdafis@fsmail.net, dyfed@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: RE: [Dyfed] Campaign to Open Historic Registers Rhodri, 1. One obvious benefit that you seem to have overlooked in the heat of your outrage is that, if this petition bears fruit , the Family History Societies you are championing **would be entitled to the necessary access to the registers** to perform the indexing you advocate -- as you say, at the moment it's hit-and-miss what they can do. But I would hardly call this "niche" information -- it's bread-and-butter for genealogy in England and Wales. 2. I believe Gareth is referring to the DoVe project: "A project, called DoVE (Digitisation of Vital Events), to digitise the GRO's records of birth, marriage and death was initiated in 2005. Implementation of the project was Outsourced to Siemens IT Solutions and Services in a three-year contract which expired at the end of July 2008. The process of scanning, digitising and indexing suffered severe delays, with only (roughly) half the records delivered by the end of the contract period. By mutual agreement between the IPS and Siemens, the contract was not extended. Digitisation of birth records up to 1934 and death records up to 1957 had been completed when the contract ended. The records that have been digitised – over 130 million of them – form part of a system (called EAGLE, for "Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events") which is used within the GRO to fulfil requests for certificates from the general public. A different system, known as MAGPIE ("MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events"), was intended to make the indexes available to the public via a website, but this will not now be implemented. " (From Wikipedia). I do hope you will accept this as facts and figures and not opinions; if you don't like Wikipedia (even though it is not a commercial organisation), Google will return other substantiation, including this: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11 8664/23788-civil-registration.pdf which gives some idea of the costs to date (£8.33m) and projected costs to complete (£25-30m). 3. I note you have not yet replied to my original response to your tirade, not have you accused me (yet) of having a commercial interest in the outcome, but for the avoidance of doubt: I am a genealogist AND a member of the public WITH NO commercial interest in the outcome (very similar to Guy Etchells, who has raised the petition). I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you. Helen Rhodri
Rhodri, 1. One obvious benefit that you seem to have overlooked in the heat of your outrage is that, if this petition bears fruit , the Family History Societies you are championing **would be entitled to the necessary access to the registers** to perform the indexing you advocate -- as you say, at the moment it's hit-and-miss what they can do. But I would hardly call this "niche" information -- it's bread-and-butter for genealogy in England and Wales. 2. I believe Gareth is referring to the DoVe project: "A project, called DoVE (Digitisation of Vital Events), to digitise the GRO's records of birth, marriage and death was initiated in 2005. Implementation of the project was Outsourced to Siemens IT Solutions and Services in a three-year contract which expired at the end of July 2008. The process of scanning, digitising and indexing suffered severe delays, with only (roughly) half the records delivered by the end of the contract period. By mutual agreement between the IPS and Siemens, the contract was not extended. Digitisation of birth records up to 1934 and death records up to 1957 had been completed when the contract ended. The records that have been digitised over 130 million of them form part of a system (called EAGLE, for "Electronic Access to GRO Legacy Events") which is used within the GRO to fulfil requests for certificates from the general public. A different system, known as MAGPIE ("MultiAccess to GRO Public Index of Events"), was intended to make the indexes available to the public via a website, but this will not now be implemented. " (From Wikipedia). I do hope you will accept this as facts and figures and not opinions; if you don't like Wikipedia (even though it is not a commercial organisation), Google will return other substantiation, including this: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/11 8664/23788-civil-registration.pdf which gives some idea of the costs to date (£8.33m) and projected costs to complete (£25-30m). 3. I note you have not yet replied to my original response to your tirade, not have you accused me (yet) of having a commercial interest in the outcome, but for the avoidance of doubt: I am a genealogist AND a member of the public WITH NO commercial interest in the outcome (very similar to Guy Etchells, who has raised the petition). I will now "shut up" as you have so peremptorily exhorted those of us who disagree with you on this topic; or rather, I shall cease to debate it with you. Helen