Are there any resources online that will help you find relatives more current i've gone through ancestry.com and got all my ancient relatives pre-1900 but having a heck of a time finding out who the newer generations of kids are !!

Hi Megan: During the California Gold Rush, ships were daily sailing into San Francisco Bay with gold seekers from Australia and other countries in the world, including Wales.? California had one state census - 1852.? It won't say where your ancestor came from other than the country but you might find them there.? Did your check the 1870-1880 censuses for your ancestor?? And if he survived to 1900, it should say when he arrived in the USA, was he a citizen and when he became a citizen. I have a relative who was in San Francisco in April 1906 and was never heard from again.? I can only presume that he was one of those "unknown dead" from the San Francisco Earthquake.? His brother and later his nephew were never able to find anything on him. Annie? - Attached Message From: Megan Roberts <welshladymegan@yahoo.co.uk> To: VAL HAMILTON <vhamilton@shaw.ca>; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry.com Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:28:49 +0000 (GMT) I think that you should never discount any source as you never know what it might reveal. In 1835 an ancestor (not a direct one) was transported to New South Wales for horse stealing.? He married out there, had 2 children who died young and then he and his wife to all intents and purposes disappeared and no further trace could be found. Then last year, on Ancestry.com I found an entry in the applications for American Naturalisation in Northern California in 1868, which could only be him as he has a unique name in the family tree, but there was no record of his wife.? A couple of months later I managed to confirm this, by finding in?an historic Australia newspapers a list of passengers departing Sydney for San Francisco, where lo and behold was this chap and his wife. For the moment the story ends there - I don't know why they went, or what happend to them, but you never know what records are going to pop up on the internet and move you one step on! best wishes Megan ____

Hi Katherine, I'm slow to respond, but I have a Phillips/Philipps family in Myddfai, Carmarthenshire, from about 1650 to about 1800. Might there be any connection to your lot? They seem to have been landholders or clergy. Venita On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:58 AM, Katherine Hocking wrote: > Dear All, > I have come to a brick wall with my Philipps family. I have traced > them across both Carmarthenshire and Pembs and am now completely at > a loss with Roger Philipps who was born in 1596 and said on his > entry to Oxford that he was from Merioneth. > I contacted the archivist there and was told that the family have > their origins in South Wales. > I know that The Philipps family as a whole owned land in North Wales > too. Please does anyone know of a Philipps family member who moved > there. Does anyone have Roger and Walter as names in their Philipps > Tree. > Roger had a brother Walter whom he asks his wife to look after. > He married Ann Prichard who was sister to Thomas Prichard D.D > Roger died in 1660. > In his Will he mentions his estate at Meline called Rhosymaen but I > have just been told by Bettye that he held that on renewable 21 year > leases from the Bowen family. The family leased it in all for about > 105 years to the Philipps family. > Lastly does anyone with greater computer knowledge than I possess > know of any sites which I can view. > Best wishes, > Katherine > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi, can someone please tell me where the nearest docks to Llanstephan would have been in the early 1890's? I have an ancestor, born at sea, lived in Liverpool, a mariner, who apparently had a child with a lady in Llanstephan in 1893, married her in 1897 and had another child in Liverpool. i am assuming that he called at Llanstephan on his voyages where he met this lady. She was born Llanstephan on the 1911 census and Carmarthen/shire on 1901. Her parents are in Llanstephan in 1871, her widowed mother and siblings on the 1881. Cheers Ann

Photos of: St Deiniol's Church, Llanddeiniol, CGN Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: The parish church of St Deiniol, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire (photos by Alison Bryan) Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Llanddeiniol link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Would anyone have access to a monumental inscriptions' list for the Llanilar area near Aberystwyth? John and Jane Mantle married there in 1870 and had a baby, Elizabeth, who died in 1871. John Mantle later went to work in the Rhondda leaving the family in Llanilar but he died in a mining accident in 1887. I'm wondering if his body was brought back to the family home. His wife, Jane Mantle, still lived at Llanilar in 1911 and died in Aberystwyth in 1921. I'd like to know if any of those mentioned above are buried at Llanilar as well as Jane's mother, Mary Charles, who lived in Llanilar in 1881 and died in early 1891. Thank you. Derek

@Megan - seen this? http://cdnc.ucr.edu/ > Then last year, on Ancestry.com I found an entry in the applications for American Naturalisation in Northern California in 1868, which could only be him as he has a unique name in the family tree, but there was no record of his wife.  A couple of months later I managed to confirm this, by finding in an historic Australia newspapers a list of passengers departing Sydney for San Francisco, where lo and behold was this chap and his wife. > > For the moment the story ends there - I don't know why they went, or what happend to them, but you never know what records are going to pop up on the internet and move you one step on!

Thanks Alison - this is a new site for me.  The chap in question isn't to be found there, but there is another member of the disparate Gambold family - this one was a actor, who ended up in silent movies! That's one good thing about having a relatively rare surname to research - you can pick up (almost) all references and connect them back to the root, which gives you a vast avenue of different stories to look at! Regards Megan ________________________________ From: Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> To: Megan Roberts <welshladymegan@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009 15:39:33 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry.com @Megan - seen this?  http://cdnc.ucr.edu/ > Then last year, on Ancestry.com I found an entry in the applications for American Naturalisation in Northern California in 1868, which could only be him as he has a unique name in the family tree, but there was no record of his wife.  A couple of months later I managed to confirm this, by finding in an historic Australia newspapers a list of passengers departing Sydney for San Francisco, where lo and behold was this chap and his wife. > > For the moment the story ends there - I don't know why they went, or what happend to them, but you never know what records are going to pop up on the internet and move you one step on!

I think that you should never discount any source as you never know what it might reveal. In 1835 an ancestor (not a direct one) was transported to New South Wales for horse stealing.  He married out there, had 2 children who died young and then he and his wife to all intents and purposes disappeared and no further trace could be found. Then last year, on Ancestry.com I found an entry in the applications for American Naturalisation in Northern California in 1868, which could only be him as he has a unique name in the family tree, but there was no record of his wife.  A couple of months later I managed to confirm this, by finding in an historic Australia newspapers a list of passengers departing Sydney for San Francisco, where lo and behold was this chap and his wife. For the moment the story ends there - I don't know why they went, or what happend to them, but you never know what records are going to pop up on the internet and move you one step on! best wishes Megan ________________________________ From: VAL HAMILTON <vhamilton@shaw.ca> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 22 June, 2009 6:24:29 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry.com I love Ancestry and only pay for the Canadian portion. Val Hamilton Vancouver, BC ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear John   Another point re death and burial place   I was at a Twmpath last Saturday (no better place to discuss deaths and graveyards and local history) and a reputable source said he had the following information from a contact (North Ceredigion). His contact had been at a farm where the wife was giving birth. Looking out of the kitchen window he saw the farmer slowly heading out to his fields with a small sack over his shoulder and a spade.  Presumably a still-birth - date unknown, but probably between the wars.    Jen  

Dear John   Another point re death and burial place   I was at a Twmpath last Saturday (no better place to discuss deaths and graveyards and local history) and a reputable source said he had the following information from a contact (North Ceredigion). His contact had been at a farm where the wife was giving birth. Looking out of the kitchen window he saw the farmer slowly heading out to his fields with a small sack over his shoulder and a spade.  Presumably a still-birth - date unknown, but probably between the wars.    Jen                       --- On Wed, 24/6/09, John Ball <john@jlb2005.plus.com> wrote: From: John Ball <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] TB deaths at Kensington Hospital, PEM To: "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, 24 June, 2009, 9:22 AM Aidan Jones <acjj@clara.net> wrote: I've certainly never heard that being suggested before. . . According to common law tradition, a person was entitled to be buried either in the churchyard of their parish of residence, or alternatively in the churchyard of the parish where they happened to die.  So in the absence of any previously-expressed wishes of the deceased, the family might choose whichever they thought was more convenient.  (Nonconformists, of course, often preferred to use their own burial grounds.)   Sometimes the family could choose an entirely different churchyard, although this was subject to the consent of the relevant incumbent, and an extra payment could also be levied for the 'burial of strangers'. ====================== Dear Aidan, Many thanks for your input. The reason I asked about the possibility of burials taking place near the hospital was because the person who raised the topic with me had been unable to locate the burial of his relative near her home. The death certificate has provided him with details of the circumstances of her death, but thus far, he's found no trace of a burial. Incidentally while searching for information on Kensington Hospital, I found two websites bearing memories of former patients at the hospital, which listers may find interesting: Kensington Hospital Memories blog at: http://kensingtonhospitalmemories.blogspot.com/ and BBC website at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/haverfordwest/pages/kensington1_hosp09.shtml Thanks again. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aidan Jones <acjj@clara.net> wrote: I've certainly never heard that being suggested before. . . According to common law tradition, a person was entitled to be buried either in the churchyard of their parish of residence, or alternatively in the churchyard of the parish where they happened to die. So in the absence of any previously-expressed wishes of the deceased, the family might choose whichever they thought was more convenient. (Nonconformists, of course, often preferred to use their own burial grounds.) Sometimes the family could choose an entirely different churchyard, although this was subject to the consent of the relevant incumbent, and an extra payment could also be levied for the 'burial of strangers'. ====================== Dear Aidan, Many thanks for your input. The reason I asked about the possibility of burials taking place near the hospital was because the person who raised the topic with me had been unable to locate the burial of his relative near her home. The death certificate has provided him with details of the circumstances of her death, but thus far, he's found no trace of a burial. Incidentally while searching for information on Kensington Hospital, I found two websites bearing memories of former patients at the hospital, which listers may find interesting: Kensington Hospital Memories blog at: http://kensingtonhospitalmemories.blogspot.com/ and BBC website at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/haverfordwest/pages/kensington1_hosp09.shtml Thanks again. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Glen - thanks for this, I wish I'd known that years ago! It would have saved me much time when hunting for my THEOPHILUS ancestors. Name variation aside, I was even searching the passenger lists (had they taken a trip out to the US to visit relatives?) In any case, its good to know (although a shame re the records), as it has driven me crazy since 2004 ...so I can put that one to bed. Re Llanddeiniol, think there's a few parishes between Llanddeiniol and Aberystwyth? Since its such a small parish, perhaps it got left off the list? Hmph. @David - have done an all Wales search, you're right Ancestry sometimes has the habit of putting whole parishes in the wrong county, etc. Have tried your suggestion, and I'm wading (again), Evans and Wales - is not a good combination! Thanks to both of you once again. Alison

Thanks Glen, for the website.? For anyone doing research in Llanfair Clydogau, CGN in 1861, be sure and look at Llangybi Parish.? I found relatives there in 1861 who should have been listed in Llanfair Clydogau but for some unknown reason were listed in Llangybi Parish.? I was very happy to find them. Annie Attached Message From: Glen Jenkins <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: Dyfed List <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; Alison Bryan <alison.bryan@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] 1861 census - Llanddeiniol Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:31:01 +0000 (GMT) Hello Alison There are a number of pages missing from the 1861 census in Wales this also includeds Cardiganshire see. http://www.familyhistory.uk.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=73 Llanddeiniol is not specifically referred to but could be under Aberystwyth. You may already have John Theophilus' baptism 14 JUL 1833 on the IGI with rest of family. Son of David Theophilus and Mary Hughes married Llanbadarnfawr 26 NOV 1830. Glen Jenkins Swansea

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:43 PM Subject: [Dyfed] TB deaths at Kensington Hospital, PEM > Does anyone know whether special provision had to be made for the disposal > of the bodies of tuberculosis victims? Were the bodies buried locally to > the hospital, or were they allowed to be transported for burial back in > their home towns and villages? I've certainly never heard that being suggested before, and as regards two of my own relatives who died of TB (or 'consumption', as it used to be called), one was buried in a family grave at some distance from where she was living at time of death (1853), whilst the other was buried in her local cemetery at Tregaron (1904). According to common law tradition, a person was entitled to be buried either in the churchyard of their parish of residence, or alternatively in the churchyard of the parish where they happened to die. So in the absence of any previously-expressed wishes of the deceased, the family might choose whichever they thought was more convenient. (Nonconformists, of course, often preferred to use their own burial grounds.) Sometimes the family could choose an entirely different churchyard, although this was subject to the consent of the relevant incumbent, and an extra payment could also be levied for the 'burial of strangers'. Consumptives who lived in urban areas were sometimes moved to more rural parts (e.g. amongst the hills and mountains of Wales) in the hope that the clearer air might prove beneficial to their health. AJ

Dear Listers, >From 1923 until 1978, Kensington Hospital (formerly St Bride's Castle) at St Bride's, PEM, was a long-stay hospital specialising in the treatment of tuberculosis. Patients came from all over south and west Wales for treatment at Kensington. Does anyone know whether special provision had to be made for the disposal of the bodies of tuberculosis victims? Were the bodies buried locally to the hospital, or were they allowed to be transported for burial back in their home towns and villages? I'm helping someone trying to trace the burial (or cremation) of 12-year-old Rhoda Mary Baldwin, who died of TB at Kensington Hospital on 29 March 1926. Her home was at Llanbedr Ystrad Yw, Breconshire. Many thanks for your help. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear Andrew   SORRY - Its taken a couple of weeks for my brain to get in gear.  I kept thinking I had heard of Morgan Herbert of Rhiwbren before somewhere. The penny just dropped.   I had visitors (friends of my brother) here in Ceredigion visiting from ?Australia/?NZ/?Canada and Bristol/Dundee who were related to your Morgan Herbert, Gent. of Rhiwbren.   I have just checked the minimal research I did for them - I suggest I ask them if you can communicate with them, and leave it up to you then.   I know they visited the Rhiwbren area and when I last saw them they were buried in Registers in the National Library.  They may well be able to help you, or you them, in your searches.    This is the information which you may have anyway.  There were some interesting wills.   Details of Docs in National Library   1           Ref. no. NLW MS 8724B Title Achau Sir Aberteifi a Sir Gaerfyrddin [1900] x [1939] Summary Extracts by John Davies, from the Floyd MSS, of records relating to Cardiganshire; pedigrees of the Rhiwbren, Pantycelyn and Glantroiddyn families 2          WILL Title Margaret Herbert : 1827. In St. David's Probate Records, 1556-1858 Details Herbert, Margaret, Rhiwbren, Llannarth, Cardigan, Widow 3          WILL Title Morgan Herbert : 1679. In St. David's Probate Records, 1556-1858 Details Herbert, Morgan, Rhiwbren, Llannarth, Cardigan 4          Ref. no. NLW MS 8716D Title Pedigrees and transcripts [1900] x [1934] ... Draft pedigrees of ...  Herbert of Rhiwbren, and Davies of Cwmeinon; 5          MAP Title Rhiwbren fach, Tyn y cwm and Ddolgoch in the parish of Llanarth, Cardiganshire, 1868 S. Evans. Imprint 1868. Description 1 ms. map : col., ink ; 29 x 49 cm. 6          WILL Title William Herbert : 1707. In St. David's Probate Records, 1556-1858 Details Herbert, William, Rhiwbren, Llannarth, Cardigan]  7          WILL Title William Herbert : 1795. In St. David's Probate Records, 1556-1858 Details Herbert, William, Rhiwbren fawr, Llannarth, Cardigan, Gent/The Elder   None of the above may be of any use !   Email me outside the list and I will put you in touch once I have heard from them.   Best wishes   Jen --- On Wed, 3/6/09, Isen hand <isenhand@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Isen hand <isenhand@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [Dyfed] Mr Morgan Herbert, Gent of Rhwbren To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 3 June, 2009, 10:02 AM Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone knows what coat of arms Mr Morgan Herbert, Gent of  Rhwbren, Llanarth, Cardiganshire (d. 1679) used? I have his tree up here: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=herberts with Morgan Herbert here: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=herberts&id=I11478 I'm also interested in any additional information on this family. I think my line should link into this family but I haven't quite made the connection. My line goes back to John Herbert born about 1760. The tree is up here: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SRCH&db=isenhand_4&surname=H With John Herbert here: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=isenhand_4&id=I1852 Thanks. Andrew       ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alison, Have you tried searching all of Wales? I had a similar problem with a Thomas in Radnorshire I just could not find them. So I searched all the David Thomas's in adjoining counties Ancestry had moved their Parish from Radnorshire to Cardiganshire. David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alison Bryan Sent: 22 June 2009 23:52 To: Dyfed List Subject: [Dyfed] 1861 census - Llanddeiniol Dear all I'm returning to an old problem. I have an account at Ancestry, and Llanddeiniol, CGN appears to be missing from the 1861 census (under listed Cardiganshire parishes)? Not sure if this is a fault on Ancestry's part, or if Llanddeiniol has been swallowed up in a surrounding parish? If so, what? Basically I'm missing John EVANS, Blaencarrog, Llanddeiniol - who died in 1862. I tried searching via name, and no return. I know he owned Blaencarrog up until death, because there was a later will dispute. I'm also missing his daughter and husband - John and Magdalen THEOPHILUS (married in 1860). They should be in Aberystwyth or Llanbadarn Fawr, but I get no results. Other kids: John D. EVANS, b. 14 May 1827 - 8 Jan 1913, Llanddeiniol (HE MOVED TO OHIO - 1850) Jane EVANS, c1831, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire Mary EVANS, c1832, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire Thomas EVANS, c1834, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire David EVANS, c1838, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire Magdalen EVANS, c1839, Llanddeiniol, Cardiganshire Incidentally, I get no plausible returns on FindMyPast, either. Thus wanted to manually go through the Llanddeiniol images, to figure it out (transcription error, perhaps?) Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Alison ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynne, Good advice but I don't own a credit card and don't want one, I've paid Ancestry.co.uk by debit card for many years with no problem. Regards David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: "Venita Roylance" <venitar@mac.com>; <Cardi2@aol.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry.com > Readers - If you use your credit card vs. your debit card to make a > transaction on-line (i.e., sign up for an Ancestry subscription), you have > recourse to your credit card company should something happen. Just don't > ever use your debit card on-line. > > Lynne in Tucson