Yes, it is pronounced "Crundl" and has always been so - all my lifetime! Vera

Hello Herb Following from what Gerry has sent, I don't know if its of any interest (or use), but I have heard Crundale pronounced as Crundle or Crundel locally. Sandra Davies Pembrokeshire --- On Mon, 29/6/09, Gerry Lewis <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> wrote: From: Gerry Lewis <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM, Crundale, origins To: "Dyfed List" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 29 June, 2009, 11:15 PM Hello Herb "the Place-names of Pembrokeshire" has very little to say and apart frpm ancient spellings which appear to go back to 1450 {cru dale], 1592 [Crondall] and 1613 [Croundall]  suggest the meaning "Quarry" from Old English "crundel". Gerry Lewis ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear David, The spellings OBREY and OBRAY could well be variants of the same name, and Lynne Ingalls's off-list response to me (copied below) seems to reinforce the possibility of a link, not only between Ty Obrey and Pembrokeshire but also between Ty Obrey and an Obray family. Admittedly, I did not have this information when I made my original suggestion. I based my suggestion solely on the similarity in pronunciation of the words 'Obrey' and 'Awbrey'. I am copying our correspondence to the Dyfed List, so that others have an opportunity to chip in with their own ideas. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey John - Thank you for your response. I have not yet looked at any of the books you listed. I shall try to find the Rowlands surname book. I have their first two books. I wonder if the house, "Ty Obrey/Obry" was named for a family or for its location beneath the mountains? I will further research and see if I can find mention of it anywhere besides a geology text. My Obray family is giving me fits trying to find their ancestors. They seem to have dropped from space into Pembrokeshire in the late 1700's. If I could tie them to the Aubrey family, my life would be simpler, but they just seem to resist the tie. I obviously need to be there in Wales looking for records(and not in the middle of the desert in the summertime). Regards, Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Rowlands" <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> To: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey John That's fine for OBRAY but what about OBREY? and, moreover, Gareth's suggestion that it might mean OBRY (beneath yn Gymraeg)? That sounds very plausible. And, without location data (well, none that I have seen so far!) how can we validly infer a connection to a family? David

I think Gareth is right -- It probably is correctly 'obry' and 'Tŷ Obry' is simply 'the lower house' or 'the house beneath', like you find 'Tŷ Uchaf' and Tŷ Isaf'. I suspect that the rock reference is to rock formations named AFTER where Tŷ Obry happens to be. The Arenigs are mountains in Snowdonia, I seem to remember. (There is an Arenig Fawr and an Arenig Fach.) David Canberra On 30/06/2009, at 8:22, Lynne Ingalls wrote: > Gareth/David - Sometimes it is spelled Ty-Obry and sometimes Ty > Obrey. It > has something to do with rock formations in Northern Wales, I > think. I just > Googled the phrase and found it in a journal of the Geological > Society of > London: ".. Slates at Ty Obrey, and under the above near Arenig..." > I tried > searching Arenig, but didn't find much. > > I was wondering if they were referring to a farm, home, or location, > and if > so, where it might be located. I didn't know the meaning of Obry. > Thank > you, Gareth. Maybe a house down under/beneath something? > > Lynne in Tucson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey > > >> Hi Lynne >> I wonder if it is a corruption of Ty Obry, with obry meaning 'down, >> below >> or >> beneath' ? >> >> Gareth >> Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ >> Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:07 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey >> >> >>> Readers - can a Welsh speaker tell me the meaning of Ty Obrey? I >>> know >>> that Ty means house, but what could Ty Obrey signify? On Google, >>> I find >>> it in reference to a classification of rocks in Northern Wales. >>> Could it >>> be referring to an area (location), or a house, or something all >>> together >>> different? Is anyone familiar? >>> >>> Best, Lynne in Tucson >> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: > 06/29/09 > 05:54:00 > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Lynne Ingalls <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> wrote: Readers - can a Welsh speaker tell me the meaning of Ty Obrey? I know that Ty means house, but what could Ty Obrey signify? On Google, I find it in reference to a classification of rocks in Northern Wales. Could it be referring to an area (location), or a house, or something all together different? Is anyone familiar? ================= Dear Lynne, Both Reaney and Wilson (1997), and Hanks et al. (2000) give OBRAY as a spelling variant of the personal name Awbrey (Aubrey). Rowlands & Rowlands (1996) have an entry for AWBREY, an important Breconshire family who arrived there with Bernard Newmarch shortly after the Norman Conquest. They give AUBREY as a common spelling variant, "... while one family became OBRAY in 19th Century Pembrokeshire". I suggest the 'Obrey' in 'Ty Obrey' is a reference to this family name. References: 1. HANKS, Patrick, HODGES, Flavia, MILLS, A. D., & ROOM, Adrian (2002) "The Oxford Names Companion", Oxford University Press, Oxford. ISBN 0-19-860561-7 2. REANEY, P. H. & WILSON, R. M. (1997) "A Dictionary of English Surnames", Oxford University Press, Oxford, UK. ISBN 0-19-860092-5 3. ROWLANDS, John & Sheila (1996) "The Surnames of Wales", Federation of Family History Societies (Publications) Ltd., Birmingham UK. ISBN 1-86006-025-0 Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

On 29/6/09 19:52, "Herbert Crandell" <hccjr@umich.edu> wrote: > I would be grateful for information about the origins and/or naming of > Crundale. > > I'm in the process of revising and article I wrote in 1998 discussing > the origins of the surname Crandall and it's many variant spellings. > (If anyone's interested you can find the original at > www.cfa.net/cfa/crundel.html.) My belief is that this surname derives > from proximity to to a landscape feature known as a crundel, many of > which were used as boundary markers in > Anglo-Saxon manorial charters. Some may have been the location of chalk > quarries, i.e. Crondall in HAM and Crundale in KEN. Somehow, from > the limited knowledge I have, > Crundale in PEM doesn't seem to fit. > > In "The Surnames of Wales" (1996) John and Sheila Rowlands discuss the > surname Crunn (pp.87-88) and offer this intriguing statement: > > "By 1670 [Pembrokeshire Hearth Tax] John Crunn is an inhabitant of > Dale, and, in 18C, a number > of Crunns are found in central and north Pembrokeshire." > > I'm unable to find Dale, but wonder if perhaps Crundale might have had a > later foundation (late 17th or 18th centuries) perhaps by the Crunn family. > > Any thoughts? > > Herb Crandell > Michigan, USA Hello Herb "the Place-names of Pembrokeshire" has very little to say and apart frpm ancient spellings which appear to go back to 1450 {cru dale], 1592 [Crondall] and 1613 [Croundall] suggest the meaning "Quarry" from Old English "crundel". Gerry Lewis

Hi Lynne I wonder if it is a corruption of Ty Obry, with obry meaning 'down, below or beneath' ? Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:07 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey > Readers - can a Welsh speaker tell me the meaning of Ty Obrey? I know > that Ty means house, but what could Ty Obrey signify? On Google, I find > it in reference to a classification of rocks in Northern Wales. Could it > be referring to an area (location), or a house, or something all together > different? Is anyone familiar? > > Best, Lynne in Tucson

Gareth/David - Sometimes it is spelled Ty-Obry and sometimes Ty Obrey. It has something to do with rock formations in Northern Wales, I think. I just Googled the phrase and found it in a journal of the Geological Society of London: ".. Slates at Ty Obrey, and under the above near Arenig..." I tried searching Arenig, but didn't find much. I was wondering if they were referring to a farm, home, or location, and if so, where it might be located. I didn't know the meaning of Obry. Thank you, Gareth. Maybe a house down under/beneath something? Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey > Hi Lynne > I wonder if it is a corruption of Ty Obry, with obry meaning 'down, below > or > beneath' ? > > Gareth > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 9:07 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Ty Obrey > > >> Readers - can a Welsh speaker tell me the meaning of Ty Obrey? I know >> that Ty means house, but what could Ty Obrey signify? On Google, I find >> it in reference to a classification of rocks in Northern Wales. Could it >> be referring to an area (location), or a house, or something all together >> different? Is anyone familiar? >> >> Best, Lynne in Tucson > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.94/2208 - Release Date: 06/29/09 05:54:00

I would be grateful for information about the origins and/or naming of Crundale. I'm in the process of revising and article I wrote in 1998 discussing the origins of the surname Crandall and it's many variant spellings. (If anyone's interested you can find the original at www.cfa.net/cfa/crundel.html.) My belief is that this surname derives from proximity to to a landscape feature known as a crundel, many of which were used as boundary markers in Anglo-Saxon manorial charters. Some may have been the location of chalk quarries, i.e. Crondall in HAM and Crundale in KEN. Somehow, from the limited knowledge I have, Crundale in PEM doesn't seem to fit. In "The Surnames of Wales" (1996) John and Sheila Rowlands discuss the surname Crunn (pp.87-88) and offer this intriguing statement: "By 1670 [Pembrokeshire Hearth Tax] John Crunn is an inhabitant of Dale, and, in 18C, a number of Crunns are found in central and north Pembrokeshire." I'm unable to find Dale, but wonder if perhaps Crundale might have had a later foundation (late 17th or 18th centuries) perhaps by the Crunn family. Any thoughts? Herb Crandell Michigan, USA

Readers - can a Welsh speaker tell me the meaning of Ty Obrey? I know that Ty means house, but what could Ty Obrey signify? On Google, I find it in reference to a classification of rocks in Northern Wales. Could it be referring to an area (location), or a house, or something all together different? Is anyone familiar? Best, Lynne in Tucson

Annie Thanks for you email.  I have not found him in any of the federal census.  It is possible that he was chasing the gold rush, or that alternatively he was just trying to make a fresh start and put his past behind him.  Having been transported for life, he could not return to Wales after he was given a conditional pardon, because as I understand it, if he had have done so, he would have been executed. Its also possible that he hadnt mended his ways, and American justice was less kind to him than the British justice!!  Maybe one day a record will turn up on line which will at least tell me when he died, but I doubt that any of us will ever know anything more than that. thanks again Megan ________________________________ From: "cardi2@aol.com" <cardi2@aol.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 26 June, 2009 0:45:19 Subject: [Dyfed] Australia to California Hi Megan: During the California Gold Rush, ships were daily sailing into San Francisco Bay with gold seekers from Australia and other countries in the world, including Wales.? California had one state census - 1852.? It won't say where your ancestor came from other than the country but you might find them there.? Did your check the 1870-1880 censuses for your ancestor?? And if he survived to 1900, it should say when he arrived in the USA, was he a citizen and when he became a citizen. I have a relative who was in San Francisco in April 1906 and was never heard from again.? I can only presume that he was one of those "unknown dead" from the San Francisco Earthquake.? His brother and later his nephew were never able to find anything on him. Annie? -           Attached Message                         From:             Megan Roberts <welshladymegan@yahoo.co.uk>                             To:             VAL HAMILTON <vhamilton@shaw.ca>; dyfed@rootsweb.com                             Subject:             Re: [Dyfed] Ancestry.com                             Date:             Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:28:49 +0000 (GMT)             I think that you should never discount any source as you never know what it might reveal. In 1835 an ancestor (not a direct one) was transported to New South Wales for horse stealing.? He married out there, had 2 children who died young and then he and his wife to all intents and purposes disappeared and no further trace could be found. Then last year, on Ancestry.com I found an entry in the applications for American Naturalisation in Northern California in 1868, which could only be him as he has a unique name in the family tree, but there was no record of his wife.? A couple of months later I managed to confirm this, by finding in?an historic Australia newspapers a list of passengers departing Sydney for San Francisco, where lo and behold was this chap and his wife. For the moment the story ends there - I don't know why they went, or what happend to them, but you never know what records are going to pop up on the internet and move you one step on! best wishes Megan ____ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have been searching for William Rees of Slebech again . I found a William Rees born Slebech 1794 problem is he married an Ann, his tree is on Family Search. I downloaded the Gedcom to look at and it held up as I traced it on the census. I also had another look at Benjamin and Rosina they had a son in Narbeth in the correct time frame but he married an Anne . Did anyone find pictures of Treforce? Bob

Derek I've just noticed in my latest version of the Cardiganshire Family History Society Journal (which I've just received) that the CFHS offer a look up service for members of transcripts that they have in their possession, even if they've not published. They list that the MI's are available for churches in Llanarth & Llanina parishes (Ref: MI/A10), but no reference is made of chapels. The search costs £1.00 (9x4 S.A.E.) per single item, but you'll also have to join the society which will be £8.00 per annum. Compared to an 8 hour return trip & the travel costs you might consider it worthwhile doing this. John -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Sent: 27 June 2009 09:26 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] St Hillary Llanilar Parish Church MonumentalInscriptsions. Thanks Shirley and Aidan for your recent postings on this subject. I'll try to make the 4 hour trip to Llanilar at some stage. Derek -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Martin Sent: 27 June 2009 00:25 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] St Hillary Llanilar Parish Church Monumental Inscriptsions. The Monumental Inscriptions were transcribed last summer, but have probably not yet been publshed. Typying up and indexing the transcriptions is a mammoth task. Shirley tregron ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00 ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Shirley and Aidan for your recent postings on this subject. I'll try to make the 4 hour trip to Llanilar at some stage. Derek -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Martin Sent: 27 June 2009 00:25 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] St Hillary Llanilar Parish Church Monumental Inscriptsions. The Monumental Inscriptions were transcribed last summer, but have probably not yet been publshed. Typying up and indexing the transcriptions is a mammoth task. Shirley tregron ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.93/2204 - Release Date: 06/26/09 18:00:00

Pictures of: Dylan Thomas's Life in Wales, GLA/CMN; and Bridges in Wales (various locations) Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A three-page exploration of the life in Wales of the poet and writer Dylan Thomas (twenty-six pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in December 1999. 2. A selection of bridges in the counties of Breconshire, Carmarthenshire, and Glamorgan (eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in April 1998. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, why not explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists =================== Visit the Powys Mailing List webpage at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POWYS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you upladed your tree to Ancestry ... or at least a partial one (I have problems with their data ownership terms). Link these people to documents on the site. Then follow hints / other people's trees. In one week, I've found ten living cousins and really swamped with new info. Alison 2009/6/26 Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@shaw.ca>: > Are there any resources online that will help you find relatives more > current > i've gone through ancestry.com and got all my ancient relatives pre-1900 > but having a heck of a time finding out who the newer generations of kids > are !! > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Monumental Inscriptions were transcribed last summer, but have probably not yet been publshed. Typying up and indexing the transcriptions is a mammoth task. Shirley tregron

----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" <dereksavage@btinternet.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] [CGN] Llanilar Monumental Inscriptions 1871-1921 > Hi John > Thanks for taking the trouble to respond. > I will make the trip to Llanilar to see if I can find headstones. Would > anyone have access to monumental inscriptions' lists for St Hilary, > Llanilar and Carmel Calvinistic Methodist, Llanilar, I wonder? Most (all?) of the MIs which have so far been copied from the county of Ceredigion have been done by members of the Cardiganshire Family History Society http://www.cgnfhs.org.uk/index.php. The list of graveyards covered (included in their journals) does not include anywhere within the parish of Llanilar. St Hilary, Llanilar, is the parish church. The most recent graveyard to be completed was, I think, Gwnnws/Llanwnnws. AJ

Hi John Thanks for taking the trouble to respond. I will make the trip to Llanilar to see if I can find headstones. Would anyone have access to monumental inscriptions' lists for St Hilary, Llanilar and Carmel Calvinistic Methodist, Llanilar, I wonder? Courtesy of the Western Mail, I know that John Mantle's body was extricated from a mine at Ferndale following an accident. He died a week later but I have not been able to find his burial in the Rhondda. Thanks again for your help, John. Derek -----Original Message----- From: John Ellis [mailto:john_ellis@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 26 June 2009 08:11 To: 'Derek'; Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Dyfed] [CGN] Llanilar Monumental Inscriptions 1871-1921 Derek According to the National Burial Index for Ceredigion:- 1. Elizabeth Mantle, Burial: 12 April 1871, Age: 5 months at St Hilary, Llanilar 2. Jane Mantle, Burial: 2 April 1921, Age: 84 at Carmel Calvinistic Methodist, Llanilar 3. Mary Charles, Burial: 5 March 1891, Age: 83 at St Hilary, Llanilar There is no record John being buried at Llanilar. If there was a mining accident they may not have recovered his body? I hope this helps John -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Sent: 24 June 2009 17:19 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] [CGN] Llanilar Monumental Inscriptions 1871-1921 Would anyone have access to a monumental inscriptions' list for the Llanilar area near Aberystwyth? John and Jane Mantle married there in 1870 and had a baby, Elizabeth, who died in 1871. John Mantle later went to work in the Rhondda leaving the family in Llanilar but he died in a mining accident in 1887. I'm wondering if his body was brought back to the family home. His wife, Jane Mantle, still lived at Llanilar in 1911 and died in Aberystwyth in 1921. I'd like to know if any of those mentioned above are buried at Llanilar as well as Jane's mother, Mary Charles, who lived in Llanilar in 1881 and died in early 1891. Thank you. Derek ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.92/2202 - Release Date: 06/25/09 17:58:00

Derek According to the National Burial Index for Ceredigion:- 1. Elizabeth Mantle, Burial: 12 April 1871, Age: 5 months at St Hilary, Llanilar 2. Jane Mantle, Burial: 2 April 1921, Age: 84 at Carmel Calvinistic Methodist, Llanilar 3. Mary Charles, Burial: 5 March 1891, Age: 83 at St Hilary, Llanilar There is no record John being buried at Llanilar. If there was a mining accident they may not have recovered his body? I hope this helps John -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Derek Sent: 24 June 2009 17:19 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] [CGN] Llanilar Monumental Inscriptions 1871-1921 Would anyone have access to a monumental inscriptions' list for the Llanilar area near Aberystwyth? John and Jane Mantle married there in 1870 and had a baby, Elizabeth, who died in 1871. John Mantle later went to work in the Rhondda leaving the family in Llanilar but he died in a mining accident in 1887. I'm wondering if his body was brought back to the family home. His wife, Jane Mantle, still lived at Llanilar in 1911 and died in Aberystwyth in 1921. I'd like to know if any of those mentioned above are buried at Llanilar as well as Jane's mother, Mary Charles, who lived in Llanilar in 1881 and died in early 1891. Thank you. Derek ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message