Back in May, I enquired about Margaret JONES, daughter of James & Letitia JONES, bap 16 Aug 1835 in Mathry, PEM. Margaret JONES was a major benefactor in Wickham Skeith, Suffolk and was responsible for the building of our Village Hall in 1909. As it is the centenary of the Village Hall this year, I am trying to find out more about this lady. Listers were very helpful & were able to give me much information on her origins and I would now like to follow the story forwards. Margaret JONES died in 1919 and it is clear from her will that she was a wealthy women who owned much property in CMN & PEM [listed below]. The main benefactors of her will were: "My relative" Charles Edward DAVIES of Lloyds Bank Carmarthen [also mentioned were his son Percival DAVIES & dau Winifred DAVIES]. "My relative" Herbert DAVIES son of the late John William DAVIES of Broomhill. What I would really like to know is whether there are any descendants of these members of the DAVIES family especially [& I know this is a long shot] if they have any information or photographs concerning Margaret JONES. Property [mostly farms & lands] bequeathed by Margaret JONES [as spelled in 1920 copy of will]: PEM Castlecenlas [Mathry] Trejenkin, Llanrythan Mill [Llanrythan] Vachelich [St Davids] Brurynant, Glyngim, Parkquarre [Manorowen] Penwenallt [Cillgeran] CMN Vronvron, Plaspwydd, Cwmlluryd [Llanwinio] Many thanks, Pete Davidson [in Suffolk, preparing for an exhibition marking the Centenary of the Wickham Skeith Jones Memorial Hall]

Dear Listers   Does anyone know where Sir Harold Idris Bell was buried ?   Possibly Llanbadarn Fawr, but I don't have a copy of the James's Beddargrafiadau or Llanbadarn Parish Registers easily accessible.  Could someone possibly help?    Many thanks.   Jen

Photo of: St Catwg's Church, Cadoxton-juxta-Neath, GLA Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: St Catwg's Church, Cadoxton-juxta-Neath, Glamorgan (photography by Dai Bevan) This feature includes a reference to the savage murder, in 1822, of 26-year-old Margaret Williams. Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Cadoxton-juxta-Neath link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hello John, I hope the List Administrator and Listers will forgive me but, for the " Off Topic " query but, can I ask, are you the same John BALL that I was in frequent email contact with a few years ago RE: my IOM ( Manx ) research for KNEALE/CORRIN etc ? My name is Carol LLOYD, hope I am not wrong? If you are, I hope all is well with you? Your posting today made for vey interesting reading btw, thanks for sharing it with us :0) Regards, Carol _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/

Dear Listers, I recently acquired an excellent book about the 19th century censuses of England and Wales, called "Local Communities in the Victorian Census Enumerators' Books". The book brings together a collection of papers previously published separately in the pages of the journal "Local Population Studies" (see below). The contents are fascinating and I though I'd share some of them with you. Page 7 [Discussing the interpretation of column 5, 'Relation to Head of Family] "Whilst boarder and lodger were supposed to be distinguished by only the former taking meals with the family, in practice it is very doubtful if this was a consistent use." This is the first time I have seen an explanation of the difference between a boarder and a lodger. Page 22 [Discussing the recruitment of census enumerators - a quote from the Census Office prior to the 1851 census] "The enumerator, in order to fulfil his duties properly, must be a person of intelligence and activity; - he must read and write well, and have some knowledge of arithmetic: - he must not be infirm or of such weak health as may render him unable to undergo the requisite exertion: - he should not be younger than 18 years of age, nor older than 65: - he must be temperate, orderly and respectable, and be such a person as is likely to conduct himself with strict propriety, and to deserve the good-will of the inhabitants of his district. - He should also be well acquainted with the district in which he will be required to act; and it will be an additional recommendation if his occupations have been in any degree of a similar kind." The author comments that while the most typical ages were between 25 and 45, at least one enumerator was in his mid 70s! Source: "Local Communities in the Victorian Census Enumerators' Books", edited by Dennis Mills and Kevin Schurer, Leopard's Head Press Ltd., Oxford, 1996; ISBN 0-904920-33-X. Local Population Studies Society Published biannually, "Local Population Studies" is the journal of the Local Population Studies Society (LPSS), a charity devoted to the promotion of all aspects of historical demography in a local context. The LPSS has an eclectic publications programme, and organizes themed conferences on topics related to local populations in the past. The first 70 issues of the journal, from 1968 to 2003, are available as downloadable PDF files free of charge on the Society website: www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk/ The journals contain some excellent articles many of which should be of great interest to family historians. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Photos of: St Gwynnog's Church, Llanwnnog, MGY Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: St Gwynnog's Church, Llanwnnog, county of Montgomeryshire (photography by Ellie Thomas and Shirley Frost) Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Llanwnnog link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear Carol, Glen has referred to the possible marriage in the IGI of John Thomas to Sarah Summers recorded at Haverfordwest in 1860. The census info. indicates that she was born c. 1840 and, of course, her parents may have married after the cut-off point of 1837 for the Pemb. marriage index and before 1840.. After 1837, of course, certificates are available, so it may be possible to obtain Sarah's birth certificate. On 23/09/1834 a John Summers married Sarah Jenkins at St. Mary's Haverfordwest........and your Sarah perhaps could be named after Sarah Jenkins. It should be possible to trace Sarah Summers in the 1841 census as a baby and the 1851 for more family information. There are several rather important Summers males in Pembrokeshire at this time....some associated with Thornton House, Steynton, and it is recorded in the Historic Pembrokeshire Homes & Their Families book compiled from the work of the late Welsh Herald, Major Francis Jones, that a David BATEN Yeoman lived at Thornton House in 1623. However, closer in time a Thomas Batin, Labourer, married Mary Evan at St. Nicholas 12/04/1819...there are also several other spellings such as Batine through the years, which may relate to a different family. After David BATEN, the Andrew family lived at Thornton House, followed by the Crymes...Mary BATIN married William Andrew in 1762 .and in 1832 Louisa Crymes married James Summers, Solicitor and County Treasurer. A John Summers 05/01/1830 Gent. of St. Thomas Haverfordwest married Harriet Elizabeth Howell at Prendergast and on 02/04/1835 a William Summers of St. Thomas married Elizabeth Pernell at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. A John BATTIN married Grace Jenkins at Steynton in 1694/95...the different surname spellings may depend on the scribe of the times........but if you care to follow it, you may find the connection and reason for the Batin name is through Sarah Jenkins. There are a couple of Pembrokeshire Wills for Batin/e in various spellings, and about a dozen for the Summers name, but hopefully the census entries will put you on the right path. Perhaps Glen or Sylvia might oblige. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. Hello Carol Here are the John family in 1881 Census Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire RG11/5415/66/7 Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant Family is also posted on IGI. Marriage Dec 1860 John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales

Dear Bettye, What a lot of info you have sent me, and very interesting too:0) I will read and digest what you have written and hopefully make some further connections. Re: The Baten/Batin/Battin/Batine middle name of John Baten James LLOYD, I have wondered before where such a name came from and you have given me some great information with possible leads to discover more. Thank you so much for your time and effort, it is very much appreciated. Kindest Regards, Carol > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:55:00 +1000 > > Dear Carol, > > Glen has referred to the possible marriage in the IGI of John Thomas to > Sarah Summers recorded at Haverfordwest in 1860. > The census info. indicates that she was born c. 1840 and, of course, her > parents may have married after the cut-off point of 1837 for the Pemb. > marriage index and before 1840.. After 1837, of course, certificates are > available, so it may be possible to obtain Sarah's birth certificate. > > On 23/09/1834 a John Summers married Sarah Jenkins at St. Mary's > Haverfordwest........and your Sarah perhaps could be named after Sarah > Jenkins. It should be possible to trace Sarah Summers in the 1841 census as > a baby and the 1851 for more family information. > > There are several rather important Summers males in Pembrokeshire at this > time....some associated with Thornton House, Steynton, and it is recorded in > the Historic Pembrokeshire Homes & Their Families book compiled from the > work of the late Welsh Herald, Major Francis Jones, that a David BATEN > Yeoman lived at Thornton House in 1623. However, closer in time a Thomas > Batin, Labourer, married Mary Evan at St. Nicholas > 12/04/1819...there are also several other spellings such as Batine through > the years, which may relate to a different family. > > After David BATEN, the Andrew family lived at Thornton House, followed by > the Crymes...Mary BATIN married William Andrew in 1762 .and in 1832 Louisa > Crymes married James Summers, Solicitor and County Treasurer. A John > Summers 05/01/1830 Gent. of St. Thomas Haverfordwest married Harriet > Elizabeth Howell at Prendergast and on 02/04/1835 a William Summers of St. > Thomas married Elizabeth Pernell at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. > > A John BATTIN married Grace Jenkins at Steynton in 1694/95...the different > surname spellings may depend on the scribe of the times........but if you > care to follow it, you may find the connection and reason for the Batin name > is through Sarah Jenkins. There are a couple of Pembrokeshire Wills for > Batin/e in various spellings, and about a dozen for the Summers name, but > hopefully the census entries will put you on the right path. > Perhaps Glen or Sylvia might oblige. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > > > Hello Carol > > Here are the John family in 1881 Census > Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire > RG11/5415/66/7 > > Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner > Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales > Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant > William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter > Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant > Family is also posted on IGI. > Marriage Dec 1860 > John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > > Glen Jenkins > Swansea > Wales > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

Hi MALE VOICE CHOIRS Pembroke and District have a very good male choir and if anyone is interested I suggest they visit the website www.pembrokeanddistrictmalevoicechoir.co.uk This is a choir local to Pembroke, they have made a number of CDs and there are plans for a new one. They also recently sang at The Royal Albert Hall in London together with other choirs-including Tenby- of the Welsh Association, and there is a CD and DVD of that concert. Not a Family History matter but maybe of interest. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 225 > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Welsh Choirs (cardi2@aol.com) > 2. Re: LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. (LC & BJ Kirkwood) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:15:16 -0400 > From: cardi2@aol.com > Subject: [Dyfed] Welsh Choirs > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CBD16E83E86B66-14A8-1D0B@WEBMAIL-MA02.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I noted Ms Robertson's comment about the Tenby Male Voice Choir singing > and she wanted a CD of it.? > > I'm sure they have beautiful voices, but what I'm curious about is, why > weren't they singing Welsh-language songs? > > I have heard many Welsh choirs come here to the USA and sing show tunes, > Danny Boy, etc.? Great - they have wonderful voices - but the people in > the audience get very angry - they want only Welsh-language songs.??? They > want something from home not a show tune. > > I know that the choirs feel it is a mark of distinction that they can sing > show tunes, Danny Boy, etc. - but that's not what the American people > want.? By the way, many of them don't speak the Welsh language but they > still want it sung in the "Language of Heaven."? There is a difference > when a song is sung in Welsh and when its not.? There's no feeling when > the song is sung in English.? I do not speak the language, although I sing > it.? My father spoke and sang the language and I come from a > Welsh-speaking Cardiganshire family. > > Annie > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Attached Message > > > > > > > > From: > > > LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: > > > DYFED@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Subject: > > > [Dyfed] DYFED - Welsh male choirs - question > > > > > > > Date: > > > Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:09:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the songs we heard on the Tenby beach that night were: "When you > Walk Through a Storm", "Danny Boy", "Shanendoah" (sp), "Take me home"? > (from > Les Miserable), "All Through the Night" etc. The sounds were deep and > rich > and beyond description. > > Does anyone know of any other Welsh Male Choir CDs that we might enjoy or > that may be of that quality? Thank you, Lea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attac > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:55:00 +1000 > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > To: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk>, <dyfed@rootsweb.com>, > "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Message-ID: <70F00CC9A9B94FFA9D4BD92AB6A77219@p4desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Carol, > > Glen has referred to the possible marriage in the IGI of John Thomas to > Sarah Summers recorded at Haverfordwest in 1860. > The census info. indicates that she was born c. 1840 and, of course, her > parents may have married after the cut-off point of 1837 for the Pemb. > marriage index and before 1840.. After 1837, of course, certificates are > available, so it may be possible to obtain Sarah's birth certificate. > > On 23/09/1834 a John Summers married Sarah Jenkins at St. Mary's > Haverfordwest........and your Sarah perhaps could be named after Sarah > Jenkins. It should be possible to trace Sarah Summers in the 1841 census > as > a baby and the 1851 for more family information. > > There are several rather important Summers males in Pembrokeshire at this > time....some associated with Thornton House, Steynton, and it is recorded > in > the Historic Pembrokeshire Homes & Their Families book compiled from the > work of the late Welsh Herald, Major Francis Jones, that a David BATEN > Yeoman lived at Thornton House in 1623. However, closer in time a Thomas > Batin, Labourer, married Mary Evan at St. Nicholas > 12/04/1819...there are also several other spellings such as Batine through > the years, which may relate to a different family. > > After David BATEN, the Andrew family lived at Thornton House, followed by > the Crymes...Mary BATIN married William Andrew in 1762 .and in 1832 Louisa > Crymes married James Summers, Solicitor and County Treasurer. A John > Summers 05/01/1830 Gent. of St. Thomas Haverfordwest married Harriet > Elizabeth Howell at Prendergast and on 02/04/1835 a William Summers of St. > Thomas married Elizabeth Pernell at St. Mary's Haverfordwest. > > A John BATTIN married Grace Jenkins at Steynton in 1694/95...the different > surname spellings may depend on the scribe of the times........but if you > care to follow it, you may find the connection and reason for the Batin > name > is through Sarah Jenkins. There are a couple of Pembrokeshire Wills for > Batin/e in various spellings, and about a dozen for the Summers name, but > hopefully the census entries will put you on the right path. > Perhaps Glen or Sylvia might oblige. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > > > Hello Carol > > Here are the John family in 1881 Census > Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire > RG11/5415/66/7 > > Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner > Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales > Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant > William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter > Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic > Servant > Family is also posted on IGI. > Marriage Dec 1860 > John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > > Glen Jenkins > Swansea > Wales > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 225 > ************************************* -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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I think it's all a question of balance, Annie. The great Welsh male voice choirs (Treorchy, Pontarddulais etc) have always included English language songs in their repertoires but I tend to agree that the proportion of these has increased over the years. One of my abiding memories is of a visit by the latter choir to the RAF in Germany where I was serving. Out of politenes, following "Mae Hen Wlad" , they sang "God Save the Queen". I have never since heard it sung with such meaning and light and shade. Even here in Wales we would expect the choirs to include some of the old favourites in English such as "Speed your Journey" , "The old Rugged Cross" etc balanced with eg "Ar Hyd y Nos" and "Cwm Rhondda". Ironically the number of Welsh language pop groups is growing by the day and these are regarded as "cool" by the youngsters. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: <cardi2@aol.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:15 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Welsh Choirs > > I noted Ms Robertson's comment about the Tenby Male Voice Choir singing > and she wanted a CD of it.? > > I'm sure they have beautiful voices, but what I'm curious about is, why > weren't they singing Welsh-language songs? > > I have heard many Welsh choirs come here to the USA and sing show tunes, > Danny Boy, etc.? Great - they have wonderful voices - but the people in > the audience get very angry - they want only Welsh-language songs.??? They > want something from home not a show tune. > > I know that the choirs feel it is a mark of distinction that they can sing > show tunes, Danny Boy, etc. - but that's not what the American people > want.? By the way, many of them don't speak the Welsh language but they > still want it sung in the "Language of Heaven."? There is a difference > when a song is sung in Welsh and when its not.? There's no feeling when > the song is sung in English.? I do not speak the language, although I sing > it.? My father spoke and sang the language and I come from a > Welsh-speaking Cardiganshire family. > > Annie > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > Attached Message > > > > > > > > From: > > > LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> > > > > > > > To: > > > DYFED@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Subject: > > > [Dyfed] DYFED - Welsh male choirs - question > > > > > > > Date: > > > Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:09:00 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some of the songs we heard on the Tenby beach that night were: "When you > Walk Through a Storm", "Danny Boy", "Shanendoah" (sp), "Take me home"? > (from > Les Miserable), "All Through the Night" etc. The sounds were deep and > rich > and beyond description. > > Does anyone know of any other Welsh Male Choir CDs that we might enjoy or > that may be of that quality? Thank you, Lea > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Attac > > > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I noted Ms Robertson's comment about the Tenby Male Voice Choir singing and she wanted a CD of it.? I'm sure they have beautiful voices, but what I'm curious about is, why weren't they singing Welsh-language songs? I have heard many Welsh choirs come here to the USA and sing show tunes, Danny Boy, etc.? Great - they have wonderful voices - but the people in the audience get very angry - they want only Welsh-language songs.??? They want something from home not a show tune. I know that the choirs feel it is a mark of distinction that they can sing show tunes, Danny Boy, etc. - but that's not what the American people want.? By the way, many of them don't speak the Welsh language but they still want it sung in the "Language of Heaven."? There is a difference when a song is sung in Welsh and when its not.? There's no feeling when the song is sung in English.? I do not speak the language, although I sing it.? My father spoke and sang the language and I come from a Welsh-speaking Cardiganshire family. Annie - Attached Message From: LeaMarie Robertson <leamarrob@gmail.com> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] DYFED - Welsh male choirs - question Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:09:00 -0500 Some of the songs we heard on the Tenby beach that night were: "When you Walk Through a Storm", "Danny Boy", "Shanendoah" (sp), "Take me home"? (from Les Miserable), "All Through the Night" etc. The sounds were deep and rich and beyond description. Does anyone know of any other Welsh Male Choir CDs that we might enjoy or that may be of that quality? Thank you, Lea Attac

Hello Carol I can not say if they ended up in Cornwall or not. It is possible of course, especially if Elizabeth was from Cornwall originally. There would still have been family there I expect. She probably had brothers and sisters. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Lloyd To: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:05 PM Subject: RE: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. Hello Sylvia, Thank you once again for doing this for me. I have been looking on FreeBMD/FreeCEN and have found some of the children's birth info there. There are quite a few JOHN(S) in Cornwall as I belong to that list also, and lately people are asking about this name on the Cornish - L list so it is possible that they ended up there isn't it? I much appreciate your help, Kind Regards, Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:29:58 +0100 > > Hello Carol > > Thomas shows in 1871 he called his first born son William and 1861 shows > Mary E John as the granddaughter of Elizabeth John, a labourers widow, not > born in Pembrokeshire. I wonder if this could be the family in 1841. > > 1841 > Parish Steynton > Living at Third Street, Milford > > The 1841 only shows if born in County or not. Ages of adults were rounded > down to the nearest 5 or 0. > > William John, age 50, Labourer, born in County. > Elizabeth John, age 45, not born in County. > Richard John, age 20, Masons Apprentice. > Richard and all of the following were born in Pembrokeshire. > Joseph John, age 18, Shipwright Apprentice. > Benjamin John, age 16, Tailor Apprentice. > Ann John, age 14, House Servant. > William John, age 12 > Elizabeth John, age 10 > Morris John, age 8 > Thomas John, age 6 > Harry John, age 4 > > I think this may well be the correct family because you say Thomas was a > Joiner........ > > 1851 > Living Back Street, Steynton > > Elizabeth Johns, Widow, age 50, occ Washerwoman, born Steynton > All the remaining family are shown as born in Steynton > Elizabeth Johns, daughter, age 20, occ dressmaker. > Moryes Johns, son, age 18, occ Shipwright. > Thomas John son, age 16, occ Joiner > Ann Johns, Granddaughter age 6. > > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > > > > > Hello List, > > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in > > Pembrokeshire. > > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this > > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. > > > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 > > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born > > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. > > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in > > 1903. > > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, > > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford > > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. > > > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee > > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal > > papers: > > > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > > Laura > > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr > > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families > > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the > > old Blackberry Ferry ". > > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at > > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. > > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for > > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above > > names. > > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in > > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching > > now. > > > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: > > > > Parents: > > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer > > RN/Mechanical Engineer > > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: > > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in > > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, > > Hants for years. > > > > Grandparent's: > > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida > > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke > > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified > > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > > Coombs, Milford Haven. > > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE > > b. 1896 . > > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. > > > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 > > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > > > GGrandparent's: > > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, > > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. > > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? > > > > 1881 British Census > > > > Household: > > > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age > > Birthplace Occupation Disability > > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 > > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation > > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 > > Holloway Scholar > > James LLOYD Son Male 10 > > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar > > > > Source Information: > > Dwelling 21 Albion Place > > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England > > Family History Library Film 1341234 > > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 > > Page Number 8 > > > > Thankyou in advance, > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more!

Hi Carol This is just a thought but may be worth remembering when you are researching this family. Arthur Lile John, I wonder why the Lile. Looking at the 1813-1837 Pembs marriage index I see there were three men marrying with the surname Lile and 2 of them were from Whitchurch parish. Solva is in the parish of Whitchurch. So could Lile be a carried over family name. We have a John Lile marrying a Amy Evans in Whitchurch (Solva) on the 21 st Oct 1828 and William Lile of Whitchurch marrying Mary Rees at St Davids on the 15th August 1822. There is a Mary Lile a widow, marrying a Joseph Nash of St Davids, Farmer at Whitchurch on the 11th March 1830 and Eleanor Lile marrying Henry Young of Brawdy at Whitchurch on the 19th Feb 1835. As Sarah came from Solva or at least was born there, I would think that name may have some reference. Looking at the pre 1813 marriages, I see a James Lile marrying a Elinor Griffith in St Davids in 1797. 1841 shows the Amy Evans who married John Lile in Solva in 1828 now living in Third Street, Milford, Steynton. She is shown as a Sailors Wife. They named their first son William and second son James. I do not know where you are in the world, so forgive me if I am telling you something you do know. St Davids is the next village to Solva. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > Hello List, > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in > Pembrokeshire. > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in > 1903. > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal > papers: > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > Laura > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the > old Blackberry Ferry ". > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above > names. > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching > now. > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: > > Parents: > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer > RN/Mechanical Engineer > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, > Hants for years. > > Grandparent's: > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > Coombs, Milford Haven. > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE > b. 1896 . > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > GGrandparent's: > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? > > 1881 British Census > > Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age > Birthplace Occupation Disability > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 > Holloway Scholar > James LLOYD Son Male 10 > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar > > Source Information: > Dwelling 21 Albion Place > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England > Family History Library Film 1341234 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 > Page Number 8 > > Thankyou in advance, > Regards, > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Sylvia, Thank you once again for doing this for me. I have been looking on FreeBMD/FreeCEN and have found some of the children's birth info there. There are quite a few JOHN(S) in Cornwall as I belong to that list also, and lately people are asking about this name on the Cornish - L list so it is possible that they ended up there isn't it? I much appreciate your help, Kind Regards, Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:29:58 +0100 > > Hello Carol > > Thomas shows in 1871 he called his first born son William and 1861 shows > Mary E John as the granddaughter of Elizabeth John, a labourers widow, not > born in Pembrokeshire. I wonder if this could be the family in 1841. > > 1841 > Parish Steynton > Living at Third Street, Milford > > The 1841 only shows if born in County or not. Ages of adults were rounded > down to the nearest 5 or 0. > > William John, age 50, Labourer, born in County. > Elizabeth John, age 45, not born in County. > Richard John, age 20, Masons Apprentice. > Richard and all of the following were born in Pembrokeshire. > Joseph John, age 18, Shipwright Apprentice. > Benjamin John, age 16, Tailor Apprentice. > Ann John, age 14, House Servant. > William John, age 12 > Elizabeth John, age 10 > Morris John, age 8 > Thomas John, age 6 > Harry John, age 4 > > I think this may well be the correct family because you say Thomas was a > Joiner........ > > 1851 > Living Back Street, Steynton > > Elizabeth Johns, Widow, age 50, occ Washerwoman, born Steynton > All the remaining family are shown as born in Steynton > Elizabeth Johns, daughter, age 20, occ dressmaker. > Moryes Johns, son, age 18, occ Shipwright. > Thomas John son, age 16, occ Joiner > Ann Johns, Granddaughter age 6. > > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM > Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > > > > > Hello List, > > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in > > Pembrokeshire. > > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this > > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. > > > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 > > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born > > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. > > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in > > 1903. > > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, > > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford > > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. > > > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee > > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal > > papers: > > > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > > Laura > > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr > > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families > > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the > > old Blackberry Ferry ". > > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at > > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. > > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for > > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above > > names. > > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in > > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching > > now. > > > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: > > > > Parents: > > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer > > RN/Mechanical Engineer > > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: > > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in > > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, > > Hants for years. > > > > Grandparent's: > > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida > > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke > > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified > > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > > Coombs, Milford Haven. > > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE > > b. 1896 . > > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. > > > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 > > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > > > GGrandparent's: > > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, > > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. > > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? > > > > 1881 British Census > > > > Household: > > > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age > > Birthplace Occupation Disability > > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 > > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation > > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 > > Holloway Scholar > > James LLOYD Son Male 10 > > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar > > > > Source Information: > > Dwelling 21 Albion Place > > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England > > Family History Library Film 1341234 > > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 > > Page Number 8 > > > > Thankyou in advance, > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

Hello Carol Thomas shows in 1871 he called his first born son William and 1861 shows Mary E John as the granddaughter of Elizabeth John, a labourers widow, not born in Pembrokeshire. I wonder if this could be the family in 1841. 1841 Parish Steynton Living at Third Street, Milford The 1841 only shows if born in County or not. Ages of adults were rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. William John, age 50, Labourer, born in County. Elizabeth John, age 45, not born in County. Richard John, age 20, Masons Apprentice. Richard and all of the following were born in Pembrokeshire. Joseph John, age 18, Shipwright Apprentice. Benjamin John, age 16, Tailor Apprentice. Ann John, age 14, House Servant. William John, age 12 Elizabeth John, age 10 Morris John, age 8 Thomas John, age 6 Harry John, age 4 I think this may well be the correct family because you say Thomas was a Joiner........ 1851 Living Back Street, Steynton Elizabeth Johns, Widow, age 50, occ Washerwoman, born Steynton All the remaining family are shown as born in Steynton Elizabeth Johns, daughter, age 20, occ dressmaker. Moryes Johns, son, age 18, occ Shipwright. Thomas John son, age 16, occ Joiner Ann Johns, Granddaughter age 6. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > Hello List, > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in > Pembrokeshire. > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in > 1903. > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal > papers: > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > Laura > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the > old Blackberry Ferry ". > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above > names. > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching > now. > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: > > Parents: > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer > RN/Mechanical Engineer > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, > Hants for years. > > Grandparent's: > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > Coombs, Milford Haven. > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE > b. 1896 . > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > GGrandparent's: > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? > > 1881 British Census > > Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age > Birthplace Occupation Disability > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 > Holloway Scholar > James LLOYD Son Male 10 > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar > > Source Information: > Dwelling 21 Albion Place > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England > Family History Library Film 1341234 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 > Page Number 8 > > Thankyou in advance, > Regards, > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Carol I am not sure if you have this already but Births Mar 1871 Lloyd John Baten J Marylebone 1a 607 It seems he was born in Middlesex. Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales --- On Sun, 12/7/09, Glen Jenkins <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > From: Glen Jenkins <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com, "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Date: Sunday, 12 July, 2009, 2:50 PM > > Hello Carol > > Here are the John family in 1881 Census > Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire > RG11/5415/66/7 > > Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner > > Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales > Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales > Domestic Servant > William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales > Ship Carpenter > Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar > > Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales > Scholar > Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales > Scholar > Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales > Scholar > Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales > Domestic Servant > Family is also posted on IGI. > Marriage Dec 1860  > John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 > > Glen Jenkins > Swansea > Wales > --- On Sun, 12/7/09, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > > > From: Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > > Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sunday, 12 July, 2009, 10:20 AM > > > > Hello List, > > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my > husband's > > family in Pembrokeshire. > > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant > > information to this list, but felt it was important to > this > > families travels etc. > > > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin > James > > LLOYD 1871 - 1960 Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married > Laura > > Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born Coombes, Milford, > Pembroke, > > Wales. > > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, > > Pembroke, Wales in 1903. > > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, > > Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his > wife > > Laura died at Coombes, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire > in > > 1941. > > > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura > > Eleanor LLOYD nee JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst > my > > in-laws photo's and personal papers: > > > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > > > Laura > > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen > children > > born to Mr > > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most > respected > > families > > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " > In > > Charge of the > > old Blackberry Ferry ". > > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were > single but > > lived at > > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County > of > > Pembroke. > > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would > be > > grateful for > > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can > give me > > re: above names. > > As you can see the family below moved about quite a > lot and > > lived in Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales > link > > that I am researching now. > > > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, > starting > > with his parents: > > > > Parents: > > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: > Petty > > Officer RN/Mechanical Engineer > > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > > He married  Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in > > Torpoint, Cornwall  ) Occ: Wages Clerk, HMS > > Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, > Southampton. > > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died > 6 > > months earlier in 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, > Surrey. > > They had lived in Farnborough, Hants for years. > > > > Grandparent's: > > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, > > Pembrokeshire, and Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 at > Portsea, > > Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship > > Builders, Pembroke Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was > > apprenticed for 5 years and qualified as a Shipwright > in > > 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > Coombs, > > Milford Haven. > > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur > married > > Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 . > > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in > 1979 > > in Porchester. > > > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A > LLOYD > > b. 1867 Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > > > GGrandparent's: > > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: > > Butter Merchant, Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on > 1881 > > Census. > > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than > > husband? > > > > 1881 British Census      > > > > Household: > > > >  Name              > > Relation   Marital Status  > >    Gender     Age  > >    Birthplace  > >    Occupation  > >    Disability > >  Mary A. LLOYD    Head    > >    W            > >       Female    > >    46     Westerham, > > Kent, England       No > > Occupation        > >  William A. LLOYD   Son      > >                 > >         Male        > > 13       Holloway    > >    Scholar        > >  James LLOYD       Son  > >                 > >           > >    Male        10  > >      London Finsbury Park, London, > > Middlesex, England    > >    Scholar        > > > > Source Information: > >       Dwelling    > >    21 Albion Place > >       Census Place  > >    Ramsgate, Kent, England > >       Family History Library Film  > >      1341234 > >       Public Records Office Reference  > >      RG11 > >       Piece / Folio    > >    0987 / 113 > >       Page Number    > >    8 > > > > Thankyou in advance, > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > >  > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > >       > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Dear Glen & Sylvia, Thank you both so much for the information that you both sent me, I am thrilled to bits! And it has made me realise that I had the wrong wife for Thomas LLOYD, whoops. Must make amends to my tree:0) Kindest Regards, Carol LLOYD _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/

Hello Carol Following on from Glen here are the family in 1891 Living at Coombs Road, Steynton Thomas John, Head, age 52, occ Carpenter and Joiner (Employee), Born Steynton, Speaking English only. Sarah John, Wife, age 50, Born Solva, Speaking both English & Welsh. Rhoda John, Daughter, age 28, Born Steynton, no occupation given, Speaks English only. Arthur Lile John, Son, Single, age 23, Born Steynton, occ Shipwright (employee), Speaks English only. 1871 Living at Cwm, Steynton Thomas Johns, age 34, occ Carpenter Journeyman, born Steynton. Sarah Johns, age 32, born Solva. Annie E Johns, daughter, age 13, born Milford, Scholar. Mary E Johns, daughter, age 11, born Milford, Scholar. Alice J Johns, daughter, age 10, born Milford, Scholar. Rhoda Johns, daughter, age 8, born Milford, Scholar. William H Johns, son, age 7, born Milford, Scholar. Arthur L J Johns, son, age 3, born Milford, Scholar. Sarah I Johns, daughter, age 11 months, born Steynton. 1861 This may be a connection, Living Robert Street, Milford Elizabeth Johns, Head, Widowed, age 68, Labourers Widow, born Menheniot Cornwall Mary E Johns, granddaughter, age 2 born Steynton. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > > Hello List, > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in > Pembrokeshire. > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this > list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 > Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born > Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in > 1903. > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, > Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford > Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee > JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal > papers: > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > Laura > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the > old Blackberry Ferry ". > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above > names. > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in > Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching > now. > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: > > Parents: > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer > RN/Mechanical Engineer > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: > Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in > 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, > Hants for years. > > Grandparent's: > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida > Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke > Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified > as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", > Coombs, Milford Haven. > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE > b. 1896 . > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 > Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > GGrandparent's: > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, > Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? > > 1881 British Census > > Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age > Birthplace Occupation Disability > Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 > Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation > William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 > Holloway Scholar > James LLOYD Son Male 10 > London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar > > Source Information: > Dwelling 21 Albion Place > Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England > Family History Library Film 1341234 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 > Page Number 8 > > Thankyou in advance, > Regards, > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Carol Here are the John family in 1881 Census Coombs Steynton, Pembrokeshire RG11/5415/66/7 Thomas JOHN Head M Male 45 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Joiner Sarah JOHN Wife M Female 41 Solva, Pembroke, Wales Rhoda JOHN Daur U Female 18 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant William Henry JOHN Son U Male 16 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Ship Carpenter Arthur L. JOHN Son Male 13 Milford, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Sarah Bella JOHN Daur Female 10 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Laura Elinor JOHN Daur Female 8 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Emily Gertrude JOHN Daur Female 7 Coombs, Pembroke, Wales Scholar Alice Jane JOHN Daur U Female 21 Steynton, Pembroke, Wales Domestic Servant Family is also posted on IGI. Marriage Dec 1860 John Thomas Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Summers Sarah Haverfordwest 11a 1139 Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales --- On Sun, 12/7/09, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > From: Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD/JOHN Family, Pembrokeshire. > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, 12 July, 2009, 10:20 AM > > Hello List, > My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's > family in Pembrokeshire. > I thought that this list would be able to help me. > > > > > I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant > information to this list, but felt it was important to this > families travels etc. > > My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James > LLOYD 1871 - 1960 Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura > Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, > Wales. > They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, > Pembroke, Wales in 1903. > John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, > Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife > Laura died at Coombes, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire in > 1941. > > Below is information found for the obituary of Laura > Eleanor LLOYD nee JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my > in-laws photo's and personal papers: > > When Laura married John, they lived at: > > Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. > Laura > was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children > born to Mr > Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected > families > living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In > Charge of the > old Blackberry Ferry ". > Laura was 29 yrs when she married John > Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but > lived at > Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of > Pembroke. > At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. > Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. > > As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be > grateful for > any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me > re: above names. > As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and > lived in Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link > that I am researching now. > > Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting > with his parents: > > Parents: > John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty > Officer RN/Mechanical Engineer > He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. > He married  Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in > Torpoint, Cornwall  ) Occ: Wages Clerk, HMS > Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. > In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. > And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 > months earlier in 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. > They had lived in Farnborough, Hants for years. > > Grandparent's: > Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, > Pembrokeshire, and Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, > Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England > > Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship > Builders, Pembroke Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was > apprenticed for 5 years and qualified as a Shipwright in > 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", Coombs, > Milford Haven. > In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married > Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 . > Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 > in Porchester. > > Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD > b. 1867 Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. > > GGrandparent's: > James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: > Butter Merchant, Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 > Census. > James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than > husband? > > 1881 British Census      > > Household: > > Name              > Relation   Marital Status  >    Gender     Age  >    Birthplace  >    Occupation  >    Disability > Mary A. LLOYD    Head    >    W            >       Female    >    46     Westerham, > Kent, England       No > Occupation        > William A. LLOYD   Son      >                 >         Male        > 13       Holloway    >    Scholar        > James LLOYD       Son  >                 >           >    Male        10  >      London Finsbury Park, London, > Middlesex, England    >    Scholar        > > Source Information: >       Dwelling    >    21 Albion Place >       Census Place  >    Ramsgate, Kent, England >       Family History Library Film  >      1341234 >       Public Records Office Reference  >      RG11 >       Piece / Folio    >    0987 / 113 >       Page Number    >    8 > > Thankyou in advance, > Regards, > Carol > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the best of MSN on your mobile > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, My name is Carol LLOYD and I am researching my husband's family in Pembrokeshire. I thought that this list would be able to help me. I hope that I have not included too much irrelevant information to this list, but felt it was important to this families travels etc. My Husband's GGrandparents were John Baten/Batin James LLOYD 1871 - 1960 Occ: Railway Platelayer, who married Laura Eleanor JOHN 1872 - 1941 born Coombes, Milford, Pembroke, Wales. They married at the Tabernach Chapel, Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales in 1903. John B.J. LLOYD died 1960 at the Priory Hospital, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales, aged 89yrs his wife Laura died at Coombes, Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire in 1941. Below is information found for the obituary of Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee JOHN on a newspaper cutting amongst my in-laws photo's and personal papers: When Laura married John, they lived at: Address: Rose Cottage Coombes.Milford Haven, Pembroke. Laura was the fifth and last surviving child of thirteen children born to Mr Thomas JOHNS who was one of the oldest & most respected families living in Milford. Laura's father, Thomas JOHNS was " In Charge of the old Blackberry Ferry ". Laura was 29 yrs when she married John Batin/Baten LLOYD who was aged 33 yrs, both were single but lived at Prendergast, Haverfordwest, Coombs, Milford. County of Pembroke. At time of marriage Laura's father's occ: was Joiner. Laura was buried at Milford Haven Cemetery. As this is pretty much all I have about them, I would be grateful for any leads, census etc, that anyone on this list can give me re: above names. As you can see the family below moved about quite a lot and lived in Cornwall, Portsmouth etc, but it is the Wales link that I am researching now. Below is a brief tree from my husband's family, starting with his parents: Parents: John Brooking LLOYD b. 1921 - 2006 ( aka Jack ) occ: Petty Officer RN/Mechanical Engineer He was born at Rosyth, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. He married Norma Patricia KNAPMAN ( b. 1921 in Torpoint, Cornwall ) Occ: Wages Clerk, HMS Dockyard,Plymouth, Devon. In 1948 they married at Porchester Church, Southampton. And JB LLOYD died in Farnham,Surrey, 2006. Norma died 6 months earlier in 1996 in Frimley Park Hospital, Surrey. They had lived in Farnborough, Hants for years. Grandparent's: Arthur John LLOYD b. 1896 at Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire, and Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 at Portsea, Hants, PORTSMOUTH, England Arthur Occ: Shipwright, worked for the Francis Ship Builders, Pembroke Dock, Milford Haven, Wales, He was apprenticed for 5 years and qualified as a Shipwright in 1903. At this time, Arthur lived at " Rose Cottage", Coombs, Milford Haven. In 1917 at Portsea Parish Church, Hants, Arthur married Vida Florence COLE b. 1896 . Arthur died in Porchester in 1963 and his wife died in 1979 in Porchester. Possible sibling to Arthur John LLOYD was William A LLOYD b. 1867 Holloway, London, England, via 1881 census. GGrandparent's: James LLOYD b. c 1850 possibly London/Middlesex. Occ: Butter Merchant, Portman Market, Marylebone, M'Sex on 1881 Census. James = Mary A JAMES b c.1835 - ? 15 years older than husband? 1881 British Census Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Mary A. LLOYD Head W Female 46 Westerham, Kent, England No Occupation William A. LLOYD Son Male 13 Holloway Scholar James LLOYD Son Male 10 London Finsbury Park, London, Middlesex, England Scholar Source Information: Dwelling 21 Albion Place Census Place Ramsgate, Kent, England Family History Library Film 1341234 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0987 / 113 Page Number 8 Thankyou in advance, Regards, Carol _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/