Hello list, Can somebody find my Thomas Davies born 1846 at Llangeler, son of Howell Davies in 1881 census. Know that he was a boarder in 1871 census at 55 Hirwaun Rd,Cwmdare,Aberdare. Age 24 at that time and unmarried. Elwyn -netherlands.

The 1881 census is free to search on http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp David

Hi, Or even Marg, if the top of the 'g' isn't closed properly it looks very like a 'y'. I wonder if the ELIZABETH OLIVER and MARGARET OLIVER that Bettye found marrying in Fishguard are the children of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL? Elizabeth Oliver 1809 m. Thomas Webb at Fishguard Margaret Oliver 1811 married Ebenezer Davies at Fishguard Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> To: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk>; "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Oliver and James and Howell marriages > Hi, Could it possibly be Magt/Mgt not Mary. The writing was often > difficult > to read. > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> > To: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Oliver and James and Howell marriages > > >> Hi Yvonne, >> >> I'm afraid I don't know anything more at all about MARGARET HOWELL. >> Penymynydd Farm is on the hill just above Dinas so would have been fairly >> close for Margaret to have met John Oliver but if the original register >> gives mother 'Mary' Margaret doesn't seem likely does she? On the >> other >> hand I wonder how many John Olivers there were living in that area at >> that >> time. Perhaps the vicar had a 'senior moment'! >> >> Sally >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:54 PM >> Subject: Oliver and James marriages >> >> >>> Hi Sally, >>> The frustrating part about this is that I have seen the Dinas Parish >>> Records >>> for the birth of g.g. grandmother Mary Oliver in 1794 and the parents >>> are >>> down as John and Mary Oliver. I wish it was Margaret! However I shall >>> have >>> to go back into the Dinas records to check once again. Did John Oliver >>> and >>> Margaret ever live at Dinas to your knowledge? >>> Thanks very much, >>> Yvonne >> >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:01:39 +0100 >>>> From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> >>>> Subject: [Dyfed] PEM - OLIVER & HOWELL marriage 1790 >>>> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <A68EF86487E34B6CA7EE22477F30BF65@Littlemamgu> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>>> reply-type=original >>>> >>>> Hello Yvonne and Bettye, >>>> >>>> I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL >>>> has >>>> a connection to my family. >>>> >>>> I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have >>>> it >>>> in >>>> front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL >>>> (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, >>>> MARGARET >>>> HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to >>>> [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET >>>> HARRY, >>>> DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. >>>> >>>> Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first >>>> names >>>> look familiar? >>>> >>>> Sally >> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.27/2258 - Release Date: 07/24/09 05:58:00

I have just heard about the site above at http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/index.php Although an English database it has a profile of soldier John Forte esq of Llanstephan. http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/Fort.php Also some interesting information on Owain Glyn Dŵr http://www.icmacentre.ac.uk/soldier/database/SoM/December2007.php Glen Jenkins Swansea Wales

Photos of: St Mary's Church, Maenclochog, PEM; and St Tydfil's Church, Merthyr Tydfil, GLA Dear Listers, The latest subjects to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' are: 1. St Mary's Church, Maenclochog, PEM (photography by Dai Bevan) 2. St Tydfil's Church, Merthyr Tydfil, GLA (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Maenclochog and Merthyr Tydfil links. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi, Could it possibly be Magt/Mgt not Mary. The writing was often difficult to read. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> To: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Oliver and James and Howell marriages > Hi Yvonne, > > I'm afraid I don't know anything more at all about MARGARET HOWELL. > Penymynydd Farm is on the hill just above Dinas so would have been fairly > close for Margaret to have met John Oliver but if the original register > gives mother 'Mary' Margaret doesn't seem likely does she? On the > other > hand I wonder how many John Olivers there were living in that area at > that > time. Perhaps the vicar had a 'senior moment'! > > Sally > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:54 PM > Subject: Oliver and James marriages > > >> Hi Sally, >> The frustrating part about this is that I have seen the Dinas Parish >> Records >> for the birth of g.g. grandmother Mary Oliver in 1794 and the parents are >> down as John and Mary Oliver. I wish it was Margaret! However I shall >> have >> to go back into the Dinas records to check once again. Did John Oliver >> and >> Margaret ever live at Dinas to your knowledge? >> Thanks very much, >> Yvonne > >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:01:39 +0100 >>> From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> >>> Subject: [Dyfed] PEM - OLIVER & HOWELL marriage 1790 >>> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <A68EF86487E34B6CA7EE22477F30BF65@Littlemamgu> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hello Yvonne and Bettye, >>> >>> I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL >>> has >>> a connection to my family. >>> >>> I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have >>> it >>> in >>> front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL >>> (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, >>> MARGARET >>> HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to >>> [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, >>> DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. >>> >>> Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first >>> names >>> look familiar? >>> >>> Sally > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

It is an awfully long shot, but from my index of Burgess of Pembroke Borough 1678 to 2006 I note that Tyrone Murray Castle of Hilary Durban Sth Africa was made a burgess of Pembroke Borough on the 12th Dec 1981 Admin Bk 22 Page 04, the son of Patricia Rae Terrlande who had incorrectly been made a burgess on the 11/7/1977. Patricia as a lady was and still is ineligible to be a burgess. There are I'm afraid no other Castles listed. Rgds Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Stay safe online with Tiscali Security Centre - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security __________________________________________________________________

Hello list, Am looking for a marriage-record of Thomas Davies, born 1846 at Llangeler, son of Howell Davies to a Hannah. Marriage at New Quay near 1878. Know of two children, Annie 1878 and Thomas Morgan 1881, possibly also born at New Quay. Family moved up to Aberdare later. Elwyn.

Dear Phillipa, I have found a couple of Dobbin records....you might already have them. They don't help in your search, I'm afraid. Mary Dobbin 1805 married Stephen Morris at Steynton..... and from Pembroke People by Richard Rose pge.450..."Katherine Dobbin, daughter of Lieutenant William Dobbin of the Diligence Revenue Cutter m. James McKain, Clerk of the Cheque, Dockyard, at Steynton on 4.1.1821. I don't think you are likely to get the birthplace of the father from a parish record entry, but Lieutenant William Dobbin seems important enough to have left a published obituary, if you know when he died,and surely there would have been a background check on him in his career records. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippa Cooper" <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 236 > > > > I don't know about Pembrokeshire men marrying Irish women, but I do have > an > ancestor who came from Ireland and settled in Pembrokeshire - in > Hubberston. > He wasn't a pirate but was in fact engaged in hunting pirates with the > British Customs service!~ I am trying to secure this information by > documentation, so would love to know if anyone has access to the parish > records of Milford and could look up the birth of William Dobbin in 1796, > son of William Dobbin and Elizabeth Sutton. I would love to know if the > records state the birthplace of the William Senior? > Cheers > Philippa Cooper >

Dear Yvonne, Do you think the James James, Carpenter of the Castlebythe Will is yours? That seems your best avenue of research. Between 1813 and 1837 at Fishguard there was only one apparent burial...an Ann Oliver, widow, was buried 15th. May, 1821 aged 90. However, in the marriages, there is also: Anne Oliver 1791 married John Llewellin at Dinas Elizabeth Oliver 1809 m. Thomas Webb at Fishguard Margaret Oliver 1811 married Ebenezer Davies at Fishguard Maria Oliver 1707 married Owen(?) George at Dinas. If any of the above males left Wills, they could have mentioned their in-laws. I've often found brothers-in-law acting as witnesses in Welsh wills. We've all heard the stories of the disappearing records...burnt by the maid, washed away or damaged by floodwater, but perhaps your couple might be found marrying in one of the Independent Chapels close-by.....unless one of the Margarets was called Mary within the family!!!! Best wishes. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne evans To: LC & BJ Kirkwood Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Helo Beettye, I was so glad to see your reply. However unfortunately the marriages you informed me of (James and Oliver) do not appear to be the ones I am looking for. In Dinas Parish Records I have found christening of Mary Oliver 1795(my g.g. grandmother) whose parents in register were John and Mary Oliver. Regarding James, the wife of James James was a Jane There is a slight possibility she was Cardiganshire and I am pursuing this.i.e. Brongwyn Parish. For your info the Oliver surname has been in Dinas since 1660, but the surname disappears by approx 1830. The reason being the descendants were mostly daughters. I have written down the wills of both Vincent Oliver and Henry Oliver of Dinas. Vincent's Will was in 1780's and could be the father of Henry. but this is only slight possibility as he had two daughters, and no sign of a son.Henry was my g.g.g. grandfather. There was a younger Henry Oliver born approx 1800 and married Dinas 1828 but he disappears from the scene! He could have been brother to my g.g. grandmother. I am so grateful for your help Yvonne Evans

Hi list, I have a " Help Needed " letter in the DydefFHS August journal, so thought I would ask on this list too. My 3x Great grandfather Thomas Saies married 1) Phebe William Mathry Parish 1789. son William 2) Esther Jenkins Mathry Parish 1810. son John. There may be other children. My 2x Great Grandfather William Sais married 1) Phebe Roach 31 Oct 1829 St.David's Parish Children Mary Sais christened 5 Dec 1830 Tabernacle Calvinistic Methodist Church. Martha Sais christened 25 Nov 1832 Tabernacle Calvinistic Methodist Church. Ebenezer Sais christened 15 Jan 1837 Tabernacle Calvinistic Methodist Church. Phebe died early 1837. 2) Anne Evan 26 dec 1837 Parish Church St.David's Children Thomas Saies born 16 Aug 1838 Pencarnan St.David's Henry Saies born 6 April 1840 Pencarnan St.David's Elizabeth Sais born 25 July 1841 Pencarnan St.David's Phebe Sais born 27 Feb 1844 Pencarnan St.David's Anne Sais born 3 May 1848 Pencarnan St.David's 1841 Census Pencarnan St.David's William Sais 31 Lab Ann 30 Mary 10 Martha 9 Ebenezer 4 Thomas 2 Henry 1 1851 Census Pencarnan St.David's William Sayes 44 Ag Lab Anne 41 Ebenezer 14 Thomas 12 Henry 11 Elizabeth 9 Pheby 7 Anne 3 Ebenezer Sais died 11 May 1853 Pencarnan St.David's aged 16 William Sayse died 31 March 1859 Aberdare, Glamorgan aged 56 1861 census Cal Cwm, Aberdare. Ann Sayce 61 born Mathry Henry 20 Ann 14 and next door at Cal Cwm Pheby Price ( Sais) 16. Phoebe was my great grandmother she married David Morris and I have all her census records a death certificate. But, what happened to the other Sais / Saies children ? Mary, Martha, Thomas, Henry, Elizabeth & Anne. Thanks for your interest David Ann Sais died 8 October 1863 Aberdare, Glamorgan aged 62

I don't know about Pembrokeshire men marrying Irish women, but I do have an ancestor who came from Ireland and settled in Pembrokeshire - in Hubberston. He wasn't a pirate but was in fact engaged in hunting pirates with the British Customs service!~ I am trying to secure this information by documentation, so would love to know if anyone has access to the parish records of Milford and could look up the birth of William Dobbin in 1796, son of William Dobbin and Elizabeth Sutton. I would love to know if the records state the birthplace of the William Senior? Cheers Philippa Cooper Message: 7 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:21:33 +0100 From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> Subject: [Dyfed] Irish marriages To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <68DD666E87C14D11BFA47556B5E2C95E@YvonnePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello, I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for two different marriages for g.g.g. grandfathers in Pembrokeshire approx dates 1790's. I am unable to trace them after considserable searching in usual channels namely Parish Records and I.G.I. They were James James Castlebythe and John Oliver Dinas. Their respective children were christened in Little Newcastle and Dinas. As there are family stories that we have an Irish connection (Irish Pirates actually!) I wonder if one or two of these marriages could have occurred in Ireland. Was it usual for Pembrokeshsire men to marry Irish women and return with them to Pembs? I would have thought that their different religions would be a hindrance especially in Southern Ireland. I happen to know there was constant trading between Pembrokeshire and Ireland at this time Yvonne Evans

Hi Yvonne, I'm afraid I don't know anything more at all about MARGARET HOWELL. Penymynydd Farm is on the hill just above Dinas so would have been fairly close for Margaret to have met John Oliver but if the original register gives mother 'Mary' Margaret doesn't seem likely does she? On the other hand I wonder how many John Olivers there were living in that area at that time. Perhaps the vicar had a 'senior moment'! Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Cc: <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 2:54 PM Subject: Oliver and James marriages > Hi Sally, > The frustrating part about this is that I have seen the Dinas Parish > Records > for the birth of g.g. grandmother Mary Oliver in 1794 and the parents are > down as John and Mary Oliver. I wish it was Margaret! However I shall have > to go back into the Dinas records to check once again. Did John Oliver and > Margaret ever live at Dinas to your knowledge? > Thanks very much, > Yvonne >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:01:39 +0100 >> From: "Sally Lloyd" <sallyglloyd@tiscali.co.uk> >> Subject: [Dyfed] PEM - OLIVER & HOWELL marriage 1790 >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <A68EF86487E34B6CA7EE22477F30BF65@Littlemamgu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hello Yvonne and Bettye, >> >> I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL >> has >> a connection to my family. >> >> I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have it >> in >> front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL >> (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, >> MARGARET >> HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to >> [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, >> DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. >> >> Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first >> names >> look familiar? >> >> Sally

Dear Yvonne, Further to my previousmessage: James James Carpenter of "Hillum", Castlebythe left a Will. The St. David's Probate reference number is SD1836/47 and a copy of the abstract can be obtained for a small fee if you contact Pembrokeshire Records Office at Haverfordwest. You can order Will films from the Mormon Family History Centres, or a full copy of the Will can be obtained, using this reference number, from The National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth. If his wife was still alive when he died or at least at the time he made his Will, you should be able to obtain her first name ......and gain confirmation of other family information. Re details for the two James James marriages I sent previously.....I found that a James James of Fishguard left a Grant (ref. SD1810/47) so this would possibly refer to the James James who married Elinor Griffith at Fishguard. I am rather fascinated by the Oliver James 1730 Dinas marriage to Catherine David. His children, in a Welsh village community, would be known by their first name, followed by "ap Oliver", and there are no earlier Oliver family members in the records...but not an uncommon occurrence if they came from elsewhere. What I find so interesting is that Henry Oliver, of Dinas, in 1761 married Margaret Llewellin. I found a reference to his name on a Dinas Land Tax record for 1823 at Clinderwen, Dinas...and I found a record of his burial at Dinas on 26th. Sept. 1834 aged 90, which would give him an c. 1734 birth year. The only other Oliver in the burial records from 1813-37 is Esther Oliver of Dinas who was buried 15th. March, 1819 aged 84, i.e. born c. 1735. I am wondering if she was perhaps a sister to Henry, or a second wife to Henry.....but with birth dates in the 1730's they would both fit nicely into being children of Oliver James. As I said before...probably just coincidental as there is a Will reference for an earlier Oliver James of Llanychllwydog, Husbandman, reference SD1689/150., Henry Oliver left a Will, proved in 1825, but I don't have the reference number as Oliver is not a name I have researched, but the year would be enough information for Pemb. RO to provide an abstract. As well as the information I have given, a David Oliver married Mary James at Dinas in 1776. The Pemb. RO could also provide copies of any parish register marriages I've mentioned, and from these you can obtain witness names. You may of course not have your g.g.g.grandfather's marriage information, but you may already know further ancestry for them back in time. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood To: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Dear Yvonne, Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas and John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Dear Yvonne, Further to my message repeated here. James James Carpenter of "Hillum", Castlebythe left a Will. The St. David's Probate reference number is SD1836/47 and a copy of the abstract can be obtained for a small fee if you contact Pembrokeshire Records Office at Haverfordwest. You can order Will films from the Mormon Family History Centres, or a full copy of the Will can be obtained, using this reference number, from The National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth. If his wife was still alive when he died or at least made his Will, you should be able to obtain her first name ......and gain confirmation of other family information. Re details for the two James James marriages I sent previously.....I found that a James James of Fishguard left a Grant (ref. SD1810/47) so this would possibly refer to the James James who married Elinor Griffith at Fishguard. I am rather fascinated by the Oliver James 1730 Dinas marriage to Catherine David. His children, in a Welsh village community, would be known by their first name, followed by "ap Oliver", and there are no earlier Oliver family members in the records....not an uncommon occurrence if they came from elsewhere. What I find so interesting is that Henry Oliver, of Dinas, in 1761 married Margaret Llewellin. I found a reference to his name on a Dinas Land Tax record for 1823 at Clinderwen, Dinas...and I found a record of his burial at Dinas on 26th. Sept. 1834 aged 90, which would give him an c. 1734 birth year. The only other Oliver in the burial records from 1813-37 is Esther Oliver of Dinas who was buried 15th. March, 1819 aged 84, i.e. born c. 1735. I am wondering if she was perhaps a sister to Henry, or a second wife to Henry.....and with birth dates in the 1730's they would both fit nicely into being children of Oliver James. As I said before...probably just coincidental. Hrnty Olive left a Will, proved in 1825 ----- Original Message ----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood To: a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Dear Yvonne, Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred years earlier than the 1790's. There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas and John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably just a coincidence. Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.

Hi I believe that my ancestors were John Roch, bachelor, and Anne Castle, spinster, married at St Petrox 26 Feb 1814. According to the 1851 & 61 censuses Anne Roch was born in Aberavon, Glam. c.1791 and the 1871 shows Port Talbot, Glam. However, there is no baptism for an Anne Castle at Aberavon, nor at Margam, and there is no sign in the PRs of those parishes of any Castle family. I know that there were Castles in Pembrokeshire around this time and I am wondering if anyone has any knowledge of an Anne Castle baptised around 1790/1. My thought is that her family might have been staying in Aberavon/Port Talbot when Anne was born but that they might have been from Pembs. and had her baptised there. Any information would be of interest. Bob Sanders Cardiff Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/ga/BobSanders Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Assembly Government, any constituent part or connected body. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. Cafodd fersiwn gwreiddiol y neges e-bost hon ei sganio gan wasanaeth gwrthfeirysau Mewnrwyd Ddiogel y Llywodraeth (GSI) a ddarparwyd gan Cable&Wireless mewn partneriaeth � MessageLabs. (Rhif Tystysgrif CCTM 2006/04/0007). Wrth adael y GSI nid oedd unrhyw feirws yn gysylltiedig ��r neges hon. Mae�n ddigon posibl y bydd unrhyw ohebiaeth drwy�r GSI yn cael ei logio, ei monitro a/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am resymau cyfreithiol.

Dear Bettye, James James' Will is definitly of my James James and I will search for it at Nat Librry of Wales. As regards the list of Oliver marriages. The ones realated to me are:-Maria Oliver 1707 Married Owen George. Very possibly she was daughter of Vincent Oliver Dinas. Anne Oliver(John Llewellin) m. 1791 Dinas was daughter of Henry Oliver., and possibly Margaret Oliver married 1811 at Fishguard to Ebeneezer Davies at Fishguard was a relation but not Henry's daughter. The lines of James and Oliver come together in 1859 at Aberdare Parish Church, Glamorgan. when Jane James grand-daughter of James James married James Morris son of Mary Oliver. of Puncheston. Jane's father was Stephen James son of James James. Many thanks for all your help Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: LC & BJ Kirkwood To: yvonne evans Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Dear Yvonne, Do you think the James James, Carpenter of the Castlebythe Will is yours? That seems your best avenue of research. Between 1813 and 1837 at Fishguard there was only one apparent burial...an Ann Oliver, widow, was buried 15th. May, 1821 aged 90. However, in the marriages, there is also: Anne Oliver 1791 married John Llewellin at Dinas Elizabeth Oliver 1809 m. Thomas Webb at Fishguard Margaret Oliver 1811 married Ebenezer Davies at Fishguard Maria Oliver 1707 married Owen(?) George at Dinas. If any of the above males left Wills, they could have mentioned their in-laws. I've often found brothers-in-law acting as witnesses in Welsh wills. We've all heard the stories of the disappearing records...burnt by the maid, washed away or damaged by floodwater, but perhaps your couple might be found marrying in one of the Independent Chapels close-by.....unless one of the Margarets was called Mary within the family!!!! Best wishes. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: yvonne evans To: LC & BJ Kirkwood Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & James Helo Beettye, I was so glad to see your reply. However unfortunately the marriages you informed me of (James and Oliver) do not appear to be the ones I am looking for. In Dinas Parish Records I have found christening of Mary Oliver 1795(my g.g. grandmother) whose parents in register were John and Mary Oliver. Regarding James, the wife of James James was a Jane There is a slight possibility she was Cardiganshire and I am pursuing this.i.e. Brongwyn Parish. For your info the Oliver surname has been in Dinas since 1660, but the surname disappears by approx 1830. The reason being the descendants were mostly daughters. I have written down the wills of both Vincent Oliver and Henry Oliver of Dinas. Vincent's Will was in 1780's and could be the father of Henry. but this is only slight possibility as he had two daughters, and no sign of a son.Henry was my g.g.g. grandfather. There was a younger Henry Oliver born approx 1800 and married Dinas 1828 but he disappears from the scene! He could have been brother to my g.g. grandmother. I am so grateful for your help Yvonne Evans

Ooops! I sent the last one in HTML Phillipa, Bettye, >From the Cambrian Newspaper Index at http://www2.swansea.gov.uk/_info/cambrian/default.asp Cambrian C10 DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 20 June 1840 WILLIAM DOBBIN, AT MILFORD, AGED 88, LATE COMMANDER OF (THE SKYLARK REVENUE CUTTER). Dai LC & BJ Kirkwood wrote: > Dear Phillipa, > > I have found a couple of Dobbin records....you might already have them. > They don't help in your search, I'm afraid. > > Mary Dobbin 1805 married Stephen Morris at Steynton..... > > and from Pembroke People by Richard Rose pge.450..."Katherine Dobbin, > daughter of Lieutenant William Dobbin of the Diligence Revenue Cutter m. > James McKain, Clerk of the Cheque, Dockyard, at Steynton on 4.1.1821. > > I don't think you are likely to get the birthplace of the father from a > parish record entry, but Lieutenant William Dobbin seems important enough to > have left a published obituary, if you know when he died,and surely there > would have been a background check on him in his career records. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philippa Cooper" <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 236 > > > >> >> I don't know about Pembrokeshire men marrying Irish women, but I do have >> an >> ancestor who came from Ireland and settled in Pembrokeshire - in >> Hubberston. >> He wasn't a pirate but was in fact engaged in hunting pirates with the >> British Customs service!~ I am trying to secure this information by >> documentation, so would love to know if anyone has access to the parish >> records of Milford and could look up the birth of William Dobbin in 1796, >> son of William Dobbin and Elizabeth Sutton. I would love to know if the >> records state the birthplace of the William Senior? >> Cheers >> Philippa Cooper >> >> > >

Hello Yvonne and Bettye, I'm fairly certain that the marriage of JOHN OLIVER and MARGARET HOWELL has a connection to my family. I have the will of DAVID HOWELL of Penymynydd, Llanllawer(I don't have it in front of me but I think it was proved in 1813) and it names JOHN HOWELL (b.about 1757 married MARTHA. my g.g.g.grandparents), DAVID HOWELL, MARGARET HOWELL (wife of JOHN OLIVER)and MARY HOWELL (dead by 1804, married to [..?..] HARRY ) . The will also names Mary's children : MARGARET HARRY, DAVID HARRY, ANNE HARRY and JOHN HARRY. Yvonne, I wonder if this is your JOHN OLIVER? Do any of these first names look familiar? Sally > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 00:21:33 +0100 > From: "yvonne evans" <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] Irish marriages > To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <68DD666E87C14D11BFA47556B5E2C95E@YvonnePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello, > I wonder if anyone can assist me? I am looking for two different > marriages for g.g.g. grandfathers in Pembrokeshire approx dates 1790's. I > am unable to trace them after considserable searching in usual channels > namely Parish Records and I.G.I. They were James James Castlebythe and > John Oliver Dinas. Their respective children were christened in Little > Newcastle and Dinas. As there are family stories that we have an Irish > connection (Irish Pirates actually!) I wonder if one or two of these > marriages could have occurred in Ireland. Was it usual for Pembrokeshsire > men to marry Irish women and return with them to Pembs? I would have > thought that their different religions would be a hindrance especially in > Southern Ireland. I happen to know there was constant trading between > Pembrokeshire and Ireland at this time > Yvonne Evans > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:11:27 +1000 > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: [Dyfed] Pemb. 1790's Dinas & Fishguard marriages - Oliver & > James > To: <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Cc: DYFED@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <9976A3870A174895827EE5A77DCA71F2@p4desktop> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Yvonne, > > Trying to prove family stories adds flavour to our researches, and there > was interaction between this area and Ireland for a couple of hundred > years earlier than the 1790's. > > There are no James James listed re Castlebythe marriages in the Cemais > records, but as males usually married in their bride's parish, these may > be of interest...particularly if the female names turn up in your lines. > > James James 1779 at Nevern married Dina Bevan > James James 1792 at Fishguard married Elinor Griffith, > > John Oliver in 1769 married Margaret David at Dinas > and > John Oliver in 1790 at Llanllawer married Margaret Howell. > > Interestingly, an Oliver James married Catherine David at Dinas in > 1730.......I have no reason to suspect the family may have been using > patronymics, but if they were, then the Oliver family could have used > Oliver 's first name as their family surname thereafter. It is probably > just a coincidence. > > Will look in my records later to see if I can find anything else for you. > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.