Hi Elwyn, I also have a similar photo of my mother (3) and her brother (2)he as a collar/cape of lace, they were born 1908 & 1911 - would suggest my photo about 1913. Both parents of Welsh origin, so perhaps it was a tradition handed down. Do not have any earlier childhood pictures to compare, it would be interesting to find out more about the dress style. Have a good day............cj - aus Elwyn wrote: Dear list, Have a familyphoto of a baby with a collar and cape of lace. From what period could that be?

Dear list, Have a familyphoto of a baby with a collar and cape of lace. From what period could that be? Elwyn.

-----Hello Pat, Thank you for your message about Narberth marriage., between John Oliver and Mary Morgans. I shall look into it. Many thanks Yvonne Evans

Hello Yvonne There is a Marriage between a John Oliver and Mary Morgans in Narbeth in 1788 - could this be the one you are looking for? Cheers Pat In message <C09F8E487A8148F2886CE076BBBFD25D@YvonnePC>, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> writes >Hello All, >I have made this enquiry before, but have heard nothing further. How usual was >it for inter marriages between Pembrokeshire men and Irish women around late >eighteenth century? I have reason to believe there is an Irish connection in my >tree(family story) I am looking for marriage of a John Oliver and Mary, John >being of Dinas. Cannot find this in Pembrokeshire. Would there be a great >difficulty in such an Irish/Welsh marriage because of religion etc? or would it >not have mattered? The marriage would have taken place around 1794 > >Thank you very much >Yvonne Evans > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Hello All, I have made this enquiry before, but have heard nothing further. How usual was it for inter marriages between Pembrokeshire men and Irish women around late eighteenth century? I have reason to believe there is an Irish connection in my tree(family story) I am looking for marriage of a John Oliver and Mary, John being of Dinas. Cannot find this in Pembrokeshire. Would there be a great difficulty in such an Irish/Welsh marriage because of religion etc? or would it not have mattered? The marriage would have taken place around 1794 Thank you very much Yvonne Evans

I'm wondering if anyone has any information about the family of James LLEWELLYN b. <1803> Henllan Carms married to Francis WILLIAMS b. <1802> Llanboidy Carms. They moved to Narberth or Llandewi area and had the following children: Dan or David <1826>, Benjamin <1828>, Levi <1835>, William <1838>, Elinor or Ellen <1844>. James had a brother named John <1809> "Llanfaldog" Carms. James and Francis had a grandson named David Llewellyn <1857> "Nantyglo" I have found Francis without her husband in 1841. I have found them in 1851 through 1871 census in Glamorgan. I believe I have found Levi and family in 1871 and 1881. I believe Francis Llewellyn is the sister of my GGG grandmother Elizabeth WILLIAMS Carms. I'd love to find some type of marriage parish record for Francis and James, I'm guessing around 1823 to 1827. Thank you.

Melanie A small amount of work has been conducted on the Pembrokeshire family which may be found here http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=corncob Regards Arthur E Turner-Thomas Genealogist to H.R.H. the Countess of Wessex _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

re Jones/Hole/Jenkins queries on this list. I was interested to see these as I have Susannah Jones married 1802 at St. Mary Battersea (to Philip Tirrell of Chelsea/Great Easton Leics. 53rd Regiment of Foot, Chelsea Pensioner). Susannah's birth/parents' details I have never been able to trace she was but definitely the daughter of Thomas Jones dob/place of birth not traced, recorded as Gent. of Haverfordwest, who wrote his will while living at Shut Street/Dew Street while staying with Jenkins relatives and his will proved 1829 (downloadable from National Archives & National Library of Wales) left money to his Jenkins relatives.. Susannah Tirell nee Jones died in South London 1838 and her will mentioning Long Annuity Bank of England from her father Thomas of Haverfordwest was also downloaded from the National Archives. The Jenkins family appear on various censuses at Shut Street/Dew Street Haverfordwest (also appearing in Parish Records, St.Mary Haverfordwest) and I think that the John Jenkins in Slade Lane Haverfordwest age 63 in 1881 St.Martin parish was the son of Mary and John Jenkins (carpenter/cabinet maker/proprietor of houses). On the 1841 census Dew Street John Jenkins Senior is recorded as being 53 and Mary, 60, with son/daughter John 22 and Mary 18 and an Elizabeth Lloyd shopkeeper age 74 who was also left a bequest in Thos. Jones will of 1828. I have a note of John Jenkins b/c 25 August 1818 at St.Mary Haverfordwest son of Mary and John Jenkins and they and their children John and Mary in Thomas Jones' will are recorded as niece/nephew, grand niece/nephew. I suspect in view of some other bequests in Thomas's will plus the fact that his daughter was married in Battersea that Thomas may have had a business and another address in London which I have never traced. In Thomas's will he mentions his son Hugh as deceased, Hugh's widow Ann and their two children also Hugh and Thomas, left £100 each, with no other clues so also untraced further by me. I have copies of the wills of a number of 19C Jones families living South and SouthWest London who may connect and mostly with Christian names Thomas or Mary.One particularly interesting is will of Ensign Thomas Walker Jones in 1836 thrown from his horse and killed and I traced a Bristol newspaper account of the accident. Thomas Jones Prison Governor at Haverfordwest is mentioned in a number of records but his dates seem slightly out of kilter. Such names are a nightmare to track! One of the Tirrell/Jones descendants, also a Susannah, married a James Hole in South London in 1833 and thought enough of the grandparent to name their son Thomas Jones Hole. Although Thomas Jones wrote his will at Shut Street "in knowledge of his certain death but no knowledge of the date!" on going through Haverfordwest Records office and records at NLW I have never yet found where he was buried. I have some further details of these family groups if any of the names ring anyone's bell! With thanks to all of those who help us in our researches. Betty Telford (Madley, Hereford) telfordBM@btinternet.com, telfordBM@btopenworld.com & telfordBM@yahoo.co.uk

Bit off topic but might be of interest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8173525.stm "Vincent Evans, 80, a fluent Welsh speaking "gaucho" farmer from Argentina, is visiting Wales for the first time. Vincent grew up in Cwm Hyfryd, part of a Welsh colony set up by his ancestors in Patagonia. He brought Welsh songs with a Latin twist to Aberystwyth on Tuesday. His visit will include the National Eisteddfod at Bala, Gwynedd." Alison

Dear Graham Looking at the 1813-1837 marriages a Thomas Jones married a Martha Collins in St Martins, Haverfordwest on the 3rd May 1831. And Thomas Jones a Shipwright married a Martha Hague at St Martins, Haverfordwest on the 11th January 1834. The only other one I can see is Thomas Jones of Stackpole Elidor marrying Martha Rowe at Pembroke St Mary on the 13th December 1834. So as the latter was from Stackpole, another was a shipwright, possibly the most likely is Thomas marrying Martha Collins. Looking at the 1841 census I do see a Collins family living in Haverfordwest. Your Thomas Jones was living on St Thomas Green, Haverfordwest and in the nearby Shut Street lived 60 year old Mary Collins, with Ann aged 30, Thomas age 25 a Carpenter and 20 year old George a shoemaker. I hope the above may be of some help to you. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:06 PM Subject: [Dyfed] JONES of Haverfordwest. > Greetings to all. > I have a Thomas & Martha JONES in the 1841,51,61,71 Censuses at > St;Thomas's > Parish, Haverfrordwest. > Thomas was born about 1809 there. > He was a "Stone Mason" employing 4 men and 2 boys in one census,and he had > 3 > Apprentices working for him in another. > If any one knows any more about this family Please? > I would like to know his Wife's Martha's Maiden Name? > Their son George Rowlands JONES,b.c.1848 in Haverfordwest was my > neighbour's Great,Grandfather. > He was also,along with about three other Brother's,a "Stone Mason"at > Haverfordwest. > I have him there too in the Census Returns. > Is anyone else doing this Family? > Many Thanks, > Graham. > > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sylvia, You might like to try the Somerset list, they may have more information. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-SOMERSET.html Regards David

Greetings to all. I have a Thomas & Martha JONES in the 1841,51,61,71 Censuses at St;Thomas's Parish, Haverfrordwest. Thomas was born about 1809 there. He was a "Stone Mason" employing 4 men and 2 boys in one census,and he had 3 Apprentices working for him in another. If any one knows any more about this family Please? I would like to know his Wife's Martha's Maiden Name? Their son George Rowlands JONES,b.c.1848 in Haverfordwest was my neighbour's Great,Grandfather. He was also,along with about three other Brother's,a "Stone Mason"at Haverfordwest. I have him there too in the Census Returns. Is anyone else doing this Family? Many Thanks, Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

I have a problem! The IGI lists a marriage in the Index of a William Dobbin and Mrs Dobbin, in Milford Haven about 1800. How can I find out what the name of Mrs Dobbin was? Can someone tell me where the parish records for Milford Haven are held, and how to access them? Cheers Philippa in Oz

>From a press release quoted another mailing list: "The National Archives, in collaboration with UK-based family history website Find My Past, is providing seven archives and libraries around England and Wales with free access to the recently completed online records of the 1911 census." "The service will be rolled out across the seven locations from the end of July ... We will publicise the launch date and the procedures for access which will apply on this website, as soon as these have been finalised." "The 1911 census will not be available at the seven locations for an indefinite period ... Each archive is being provided with an institutional account which works on a credit system. Based on the level of interest at The National Archives, where there is already free online access, the number of credits being given to each archive is expected, on average usage, to last for one year. However, if there is heavy usage of the new service . ... the free on-line access may not last that long." Apparently this will include the National Library at Aberystwyth: see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/337.htm?WT.hp=nf-37818

Hello Phillippa Have you seen all the entries in the Cambrian Index? There is an entry for the wife of Captain Dobbin at Milford in a September edition of 1839. I know someone sent you the entry for her husband William. I seem to remember someone quoting a William Dobbin and Elizabeth Sutton and looking at the death index I think there is an entry that may be a mis-spelling Elizabeth Dablin Sept qtr 1839 Haverfordwest 26/375. It might be worth getting the death certificate to see. There are several probable children mentioned in the Cambrian Index. Eliza Dobbin who married Richard Hoare Byers in 1822 William Dobbin who married Rhoda Summers in 1823 a Miss Dobbin who maried James Tyrrell in 1846 - this is Jane Dobbin. Susan Dobbin whi married Francis Thomas , recto of Haroldston West Interestingly Jane is shown as Jane Shaw Dobbin at her marriege and Jane Shaw Tyrrell at her death in 1874 so Shaw could be a significan name. Hope some of this is of use to you. If I find more I'll send off-list Cheers Pat In message <6024AEEFD11D45AA96302F2F1B975540@philippa69rc4w>, Philippa Cooper <pkcooper@aapt.net.au> writes > >I have a problem! The IGI lists a marriage in the Index of a William Dobbin >and Mrs Dobbin, in Milford Haven about 1800. How can I find out what the >name of Mrs Dobbin was? Can someone tell me where the parish records for >Milford Haven are held, and how to access them? >Cheers >Philippa in Oz > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- >request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

A Question please. Can I ask for help from a lister from Cape Town South Africa (if there is one of course) to try and find some information about 2 little girls ? 5 and 3yrs who came to Wales,( and on 1911 census )Im positive their Mother is the daughter of a Great Aunt of mine) and im wondering why they were not with either parent. I dont know how else i can find out. would i be allowed to do this please Regards Brenda

Exciting new info has me asking if  SKS can please help me.   Emanuel Hole abt 1781 Lamyatt Somerset. Julia Hole       abt 1786     '             '            possible death June qtr 1845 Shepton Mallet.   1841 cencus Lamyatt. Emanuel, Julia. Martha  20yrs, and Marthas illigitimate son Edmund age 4 months.   Here is my problem.   Emanuel and Julia  also had a son Emanuel abt 1811, Martha abt 1817, ( 1861 cencus), she is living with Emanuel her brother and illigitimate son Richard, I found possible death for 1st son Edmund 1854 Axbridge.Martha was also an invalid,   I would like to see if there were any more children for Emanuel and Julia,a marriage, and being greedy their parents, it would appear they were not young parents so mabe they only had 2.   All help and advise greatly appreciated.   Sylvia in Kentucky

Buddug, Non-conformist records are held at the National Archives in series RG4: RG 4/3805 CARDIGANSHIRE: Cydblwyf, Penrhiwgaled (Independent): Births & Baptisms 1818-1837 These are available on microfilm in a number of places, I think LDS has copies. They are also on line at http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/ (there is a charge to view the full entry) Dai buddugh@talktalk.net wrote: > Hi . > ?Where would I be able to access the marriage records (before 1837)for the above chapels ? Would the 1813 -1837 marriage indexes cover these chapels? > ?? Thanks , > Buddug Hollett > ? > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

On 27/7/09 12:59, "melanie stark" <mel.stark@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Dear all > > Still on the trail of my CORNOCK ancestors Hello Melanie I have four picture postcards which may be of interest to you: 1.photo of Lower Fishguard posted Fishguard August 7th 1909 addressed to: Miss Nellie Cornock 86 High Street Clydach Pale Glam message - "Dear Nellie just a P.C. hoping it will find you alright as we are here. It is beautiful weather, just finished with the hay. We have not seen May yet. Goodbye, love to J & B, sister Mary. Love from all." 2. photo of Slade, Fishguard, stamp has been removed, but has a Paris cancellation 1908. Posted in Fishguard addressed to: Mr J. Cornock c/o Pharmacy Swann 12 Rue Castigliani [?] PARIS message - "Dear Jon, received P.C. the other day. Pleased to find you were alright as we are at home. I hope to have a letter next time from you. Got no news to give you this time so with best love to you from your dear mother" 3.. Photo of The Harbour, Fishguard, posted Fishguard September? 1913 addressed to: Mrs N. Cornock Gwaun Stores Alexandra Road Gorseinon Nr. Swansea message: "Arrived safe. Baby splendid, Jane came to meet us. Had to walk from Goodwick. Love from Liz[?] 4. photo of Narberth (street scene), posted Narberth 18 May 1917 addressed to: Miss Nellie Cornock "Gronllwyn" Nr. Fishguard Pem Message: " Crestow Villa, Narberth, Friday My Dear Nell, many thanks for your so kind letter which safely received this morning. I will write you are long letter very soon then you shall have all news. I was delighted with your letter this morning. No time to write more now. Salli xxxx" Postcards cost half a penny - one four hundred and eightieth of a pound - to post and were used, as you can see from the above messages, for short communications. They had to be short as one half of one side was for the address and the other half for the message, but I do have some postcards with incredibly small writing. Some people even wrote all over the picture side! Very few people had a telephone and even so, long distance calls took an age with calls being transferred from exchange to exchange by telephone operators and were (I imagine) rather more expensive than a halfpenny. Even if these are not relatives, Melanie, they provide a fascinating insight into life in the early part of the twentieth century. Gerry Lewis

Hello list, Who can find my Elisabeth Davies in the 1901 census. Then age 31. Born in 1870 at Blaencillech, Llandyfriog. Daugther of James and Mary Davies. Was told that Elisabeth married to a Davies family and went to live near Bridgend. There were two children David Davies and Griffith Davies. Elwyn -netherlands.