I'm searching for information regarding Thomas Evans, born abt 1838 in Llandefroig, Cardiganshire. Mother's name unknown, father was Benjamin, a laborer. I have a copy of his marriage certificate to Jemima Jones, daughter of John Jones, in Craig Chapel 7 Apr 1870 which confirms Thomas' father's name. Witnesses to the marriage are William Jones and David Rees. Thanks for any help you can give me. Howard Evans

Hi all, especially Lea, I am wondering if Plasy y Barlo was named after its owner a "Barlow". There were Pembrokeshire gentry named Barlow, and I just wondered if they owned the cottage and land. Tithe maps and Land Tax Maps for the area might show who were the owners. Best wishes Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeaMarie Robertson" <leamarrob@gmail.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: [Dyfed] CMN census translation & Plasybarlo > Thank you Dai, John and Yvonne for a new Harness Maker in my family. And > thank you for the information about Plasybarlo. In my 5 X Great > Grandfather's will (George Morgan) in 1818 he passes on his home "Place > Barlow". I think the "English" speakers may have been doing the actual > writing of the document. In 1841 his daughter Hannah is living in > Plasybarlo with her husband Evan James. Also living there is Thomas James > the maker of harnesses. Most of my family in the area made shoes with the > leather. > > I've noticed a Plasybeili nearby which is of interest because I have > Thomas > relatives in the area that I haven't pieced together and I wonder about > the > Thomas' living at Plasybeili, Penrallt, and others. Thank you all (Texan) > again. Lea > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I thought that this might be of interest to Dyfdd listers - the drop down menu is "digital mirror" regards Megan ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: I Thompson <joscyn@hotmail.com> To: wls-merionethshire-l@rootsweb.com; wls-gwynedd-l@rootsweb.com; wls-caernarfonshire-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 23 August, 2009 12:07:01 Subject: [CAE] NLW digitisation projects The National Library website is well worth keeping an eye on over the next months as a number of digitisation projects come into being: Welsh journals Wills The Cambrian (a Welsh-American journal from the latter part of the 19th, early 20th centuries) The link to information about all of these is from the drop-down menu on the first page - takes some finding. www.llgc.org.uk Yours, Ian Thompson _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WLS-CAERNARFONSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all With all this discussion about Cwm-miles I thought I would throw in my interest in this area. In the 1841 census my 3xg grandparents lived at Pompren Mill - fairly close to Cwm-miles bridge as far as I can find out. Any information on this family or Pompren Mill would be welcome. Thanks Tommy

Dear Anne The 1861 shows Margarets father as William Llewellyn, then aged 80. The only William I see which fits, is as shown on the 1841 I sent you. There he was living with Mary and his daughter. William married Mary Phillips at Bosherston in 1815. Your Margaret was baptised at Bosherston on the 26th May 1816. Her brothers and sisters were according to the baptisms James baptised 26th March 1820 Sarah baptised 5th April 1827 (this will be the Sarah shown at home with mum and dad on the 1841 census). There may have been others but these are the only three shown. The family including Mary Evans were living at Alma as you will see by the 1861 census before Mary married James Baker. By 1871 Mary was widowed. The 1841 shows Margaret Evans, living at Back Lane Bosherston, which if you remember is the same address as her Mum and Dad. There were probably several cottages there. In house were Margaret age 25, Mary age 4, Sarah age 2 and William age 14 days. I presume Dad was out working somewhere. According to the 1841 Mary Phillips who married William Llewellyn is shown as age 55 (remember that in 1841 ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0), that puts her as born roughly 1786. Sarah their daughter by 1851 was working in St Issells. The burials show the following Llewellin, Mary - bur. 2 7 1858 (age - 81) Llewelling, Ann - bur. 30 6 1824 (age - 67) Llewellyn, Elizabeth - bur. 4 6 1882 (age - 2) Llewellyn, Thomas - bur. 10 6 1882 (age - 00) Llewhellin, Elizabeth - bur. 25 5 1811 (age - ) Llewhelyn, John - bur. 27 2 1832 (age - 88) In 1851 they still lived in Back Lane, Bosherston. William aged 70 a labourer born in Bosherston and this bit of extra information Mary age 72 born COSHESTON. So between 1841 and 1851 Mary had gained 17 years not 10. If the above burial of a Mary Llewellin in Bosherston is her then it shows her as age 81 in 1858, making her born approx 1777. So really you need to look at Cosheston records and try to find a baptism for a Mary Phillips around 1777 to 1786. If you can find that then you will know her parents. I hope the above proves to be of some help to you. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "annette busby" <annette.busby@xtra.co.nz> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:02 PM Subject: [Dyfed] PEM- EVANS and LLEWELYN familes > Further to my previous post, I am seeking information on my great great > grandmother Margaret EVANS (LLEWELYN) who was born in Cosherton in 1815. > She married my great great grandfather William EVANS (born Bosherton > 1815) in 1836 in Bosherton. Their children were James, Mary, William, > John, Elizabeth, George, and my great grandmother Margaret (Peggy) Evans > who was born in Penally in 1858. The family lived in Alma Cottage, which > seems to have come into the family through James BAKER, who married Mary > Evans. He served in the Crimean War. > Margaret married my great grandfather William SANDERS who was stationed > at the army camp in Penally. They moved to Chelsea and raised their > family there. > > I visited Penally in 2006 and could not find any direct descendants of > my family living there. > > Many thanks in anticipation > > Anne > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Dai, John and Yvonne for a new Harness Maker in my family. And thank you for the information about Plasybarlo. In my 5 X Great Grandfather's will (George Morgan) in 1818 he passes on his home "Place Barlow". I think the "English" speakers may have been doing the actual writing of the document. In 1841 his daughter Hannah is living in Plasybarlo with her husband Evan James. Also living there is Thomas James the maker of harnesses. Most of my family in the area made shoes with the leather. I've noticed a Plasybeili nearby which is of interest because I have Thomas relatives in the area that I haven't pieced together and I wonder about the Thomas' living at Plasybeili, Penrallt, and others. Thank you all (Texan) again. Lea

Dear Gareth, John and Vic Very well done to all of you. As for you Gareth what would we do without you. You certainly deserve some flattery. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk

Dear Anne I am not sure what exactly you need to know. If you are looking for your family in the census returns....... 1861 Living at Alma William Evans, age 50, Gardener, born Cosheston Margaret, wife, age 44, born Bosherston Mary, daughter, age 24, occ Servant, born Bosherston William, son, age 19, occ bricklayers labourer, born Bosherston James, son, age 15, born Bosherston, occ was shown as servant but crossed out. Elizabeth, daughter, age 13, born Bosherston Thomas, son, age 10, born Penally George, son, age 8, born Penally Margaret, daughter, age 3, born Bosherston. William Llewellyn, father inlaw, age 80, occ labourer, born Bosherston. 1871 Living at Alma Cottage, Penally William Evans, age 60, occ Gardener, born Bosherston. Margaret, wife, age 57, born Bosherston. Mary Baker, daughter, age 33, widowed, born Bosherston, occ general servant. Elizabeth Evans, daughter, age 23, born Bosherston. Margaret Evans, daughter, age 12, born Penally. John Evans, son, age 5, born St Issells. 1881 Living at Alma William Evans, age 66, occ Gardener, born Cosheston. Margaret, wife, age 64, born Bosherston. George Evans, son, unmarried, born Penally, occ assistant gardener. Margaret Evans, daughter, age 22, born Penally, occ dressmaker. John Evans, grandson, age 15, born St Issells, occ solicitors clerk. 1891 Living Alma Cottage William Evans, age 78, widowed, born Cosheston, occ gardener market. Also in 1881 and 1891 living at Alma Cottage were James Evans and his family. Looking at the original images. The 1871 does show William as born Bosherston and also shows John as his son. Later census contradict this showing William as born in Cosheston and John as his grandson! 1841 Living at Back Lane, Bosherston William Llewellyn, age 60, occ agricultural labourer. Mary Llewellyn, age 55 Sarah Llewellyn, age 15. 1841 does not give place of birth, other than telling you they were born in Pembrokeshire. William Evans married Margaret Llewhelyn at Bosherston on the 3rd September 1836. A William Llewhelling married a Mary Phillips at Bosherston on the 26th June 1815. The differences in the spelling of the surname Llewellyn are as written at the time. You can find Bosherston baptisms, marriages and deaths on line. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "annette busby" <annette.busby@xtra.co.nz> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: [PEM] Evans familly in Penally > Hello > I am new to the list. My interests are: Evans family who lived in Alma > Cottage, Penally from the 1860s and the Llewellyn family from the same > area. > Regards > Anne > ====================================== > You are likely to get inreased responses if you repost your message to the > Dyfed list. See http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

hello all, Indeed the cottage I know of does seem as if it is a holiday let now, but it still retains its old Welsh cottage look. Interestingly E.T. Lewis' book "Efailwen to Whitland" states there was a tannery at Cwmmiles in the 19th century. Therefore Thomas James would not have had any difficulty in obtaining leather for his harnesses. Best wishes Yvonne----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Cilymaenllwyd census translation please > Yvonne Evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: > Re PlaceyBarlow Cilymaenllwyd. I have a record of local history(in my > head!) and I know a lady who used to live at Barlow Cottage in the > Cwmiles > area of Login Cilymaenllwyd parish. This cottage is near to Cwmiles > Independant Chapel and before you get to the stone bridge called Cwmiles > Bridge(in Welsh Bont Cwmiles) I hope this is of some help > ================= > > Dear Yvonne, > > Thank you for your input. > > Plas-y-beili, which I believed to be the name from which the anglicised > 'Placeybarlow' originated, is located about 1200 metres north northwest of > Cwm-miles Bridge. It is just under 1 kilometre northwest of Login. > > However, a Google search reveals another property, now known as > 'Plas-y-Barlo' and functioning as a holiday cottage, located very close to > Cwm-miles Independent Chapel (see http://tinyurl.com/l88x3b). This may > well > be the property where Lea's Thomas James was living in 1841. > > Interestingly, the 1891 Ordnance Survey map shows that at the time of the > 19th century mapping survey, there was a ford crossing the river Taf at > the > point where Cwm-miles bridge is now situated. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yvonne Evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: Re PlaceyBarlow Cilymaenllwyd. I have a record of local history(in my head!) and I know a lady who used to live at Barlow Cottage in the Cwmiles area of Login Cilymaenllwyd parish. This cottage is near to Cwmiles Independant Chapel and before you get to the stone bridge called Cwmiles Bridge(in Welsh Bont Cwmiles) I hope this is of some help ================= Dear Yvonne, Thank you for your input. Plas-y-beili, which I believed to be the name from which the anglicised 'Placeybarlow' originated, is located about 1200 metres north northwest of Cwm-miles Bridge. It is just under 1 kilometre northwest of Login. However, a Google search reveals another property, now known as 'Plas-y-Barlo' and functioning as a holiday cottage, located very close to Cwm-miles Independent Chapel (see http://tinyurl.com/l88x3b). This may well be the property where Lea's Thomas James was living in 1841. Interestingly, the 1891 Ordnance Survey map shows that at the time of the 19th century mapping survey, there was a ford crossing the river Taf at the point where Cwm-miles bridge is now situated. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Annette has subscribed to the Pembrokeshire list. I have suggested she move to this Dyfed list. Her question to Pembs is below. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "annette busby" <annette.busby@xtra.co.nz> To: <WLS-PEMBROKESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: [PEM] Evans familly in Penally > Hello > I am new to the list. My interests are: Evans family who lived in Alma > Cottage, Penally from the 1860s and the Llewellyn family from the same > area. > Regards > Anne

Hi All, Re PlaceyBarlow Cilymaenllwyd. I have a record of local history(in my head!) and I know a lady who used to live at Barlow Cottage in the Cwmiles area of Login Cilymaenllwyd parish. This cottage is near to Cwmiles Independant Chapel and before you get to the stone bridge called Cwmiles Bridge(in Welsh Bont Cwmiles) I hope this is of some help Regards Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ball" <john@jlb2005.plus.com> To: "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] CMN Cilymaenllwyd census translation please > Lea <leamarrob@gmail.com> wrote: > Could SKS please look up Carmarthenshire, Cilymaenllwyd, Llanboidy, > District > 6 page 2 on the 1841 census and see if you can tell me what the occupation > of Thomas James of Placeybarlow is? It looks like Hainspon or Stainss M > or > ? Maybe someone more familiar with occupations can decipher it for me. > ============== > > Dear Lea,,> meaning harness maker. > > I believe the property which you call 'Placeybarlow' is actually > 'Plas-y-beili', shown on Ordnance Survey 'Landranger' maps at grid > reference > SN158240. > Type SN158240 into the search field at www.streetmap.co.uk to see a > section > of this modern map, centred on Plas-y-beili. > Or enter 215800 and 224000 into the coordinates fields at > www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx to see the relevant section of a > large-scale late 19th century map of the same area. > Plas-y-beili is clearly marked on both maps. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Lea <leamarrob@gmail.com> wrote: Could SKS please look up Carmarthenshire, Cilymaenllwyd, Llanboidy, District 6 page 2 on the 1841 census and see if you can tell me what the occupation of Thomas James of Placeybarlow is? It looks like Hainspon or Stainss M or ? Maybe someone more familiar with occupations can decipher it for me. ============== Dear Lea, I agree with Dai Jones's interpretation of the occupation as 'Harness M.', meaning harness maker. I believe the property which you call 'Placeybarlow' is actually 'Plas-y-beili', shown on Ordnance Survey 'Landranger' maps at grid reference SN158240. Type SN158240 into the search field at www.streetmap.co.uk to see a section of this modern map, centred on Plas-y-beili. Or enter 215800 and 224000 into the coordinates fields at www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx to see the relevant section of a large-scale late 19th century map of the same area. Plas-y-beili is clearly marked on both maps. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

I think it might be Harness M(aker). HO107; Piece 1382; Book: 7 Regards David

Could SKS please look up Carmarthenshire, Cilymaenllwyd, Llanboidy, District 6 page 2 on the 1841 census and see if you can tell me what the occupation of Thomas James of Placeybarlow is? It looks like Hainspon or Stainss M or ? Maybe someone more familiar with occupations can decipher it for me. Thank you! Lea

I'd like to once again thank John and Vic and all of the many wonderful people who have added to these lists and websites. There just isn't a way to fully express my gratitude. And as for Gareth. We would need an entire list or website just dedicated to singing the praises of our "unsung hero". Again Gareth, thank you so much. LeaMarie

----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER M. EVANS" <r.evans441@btinternet.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: [Dyfed] replioes ref : DAVID BOWEN MOSES - a Dartmoor convict > Thank you to all of those who took the time and interest to reply, I now > have a sheep stealer in the family, apparently not an uncommon experience > for those of us with connections to the western edge of the Beacons. You might also find it helpful to read the following, and possibly to follow up some of the links and other references: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletID=120 <http://www.devon.gov.uk/contrast/index/councildemocracy/neighbourhoods-villages/record_office/record_offices_in_devon/guide_sources/crime/dartmoor_prison.htm> or http://tinyurl.com/nt46sp Even allowing for the earlier conviction, are you certain (without additional evidence) that the 1891 newspaper reference (to David Moses, rather than to David Bowen Moses) relates to the same person as the 1901 Dartmoor census? There were certainly a fair number of other people called David Moses who were around in England & Wales during the 1890s. AJ

Thank you to all of those who took the time and interest to reply, I now have a sheep stealer in the family, apparently not an uncommon experience for those of us with connections to the western edge of the Beacons. Particular thanks to Jennifer Cairns who was able to provide extracts from the Western Mail Regards and thanks Roger M Evans

Further to my previous post, I am seeking information on my great great grandmother Margaret EVANS (LLEWELYN) who was born in Cosherton in 1815. She married my great great grandfather William EVANS (born Bosherton 1815) in 1836 in Bosherton. Their children were James, Mary, William, John, Elizabeth, George, and my great grandmother Margaret (Peggy) Evans who was born in Penally in 1858. The family lived in Alma Cottage, which seems to have come into the family through James BAKER, who married Mary Evans. He served in the Crimean War. Margaret married my great grandfather William SANDERS who was stationed at the army camp in Penally. They moved to Chelsea and raised their family there. I visited Penally in 2006 and could not find any direct descendants of my family living there. Many thanks in anticipation Anne

Dear Roger   I can find a David Moses of Cray who appears to have been an enthusiastic sheep stealer.   Western Mail, Oct 21 and 24 1891.  6 months with hard labour for one of his appearances in the quarter sessions - failed to find the verdict/sentence for his second appearance that year.   In the first case a sheep was brought into in court to demonstrate the owner's identification marks.   I'll send attachments to you separately with .jpgs of the relevant pages.   Best wishes   Jen --- On Fri, 21/8/09, ROGER M. EVANS <r.evans441@btinternet.com> wrote: From: ROGER M. EVANS <r.evans441@btinternet.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Criminal Records- Dartmoor inmate To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 11:01 PM I find that according to the 1901 census one of my connections, thankfully remote, wound up in Dartmoor. In 1891 the family was farming in Crai, Defynnock but by 1901 the wife and children are living in Brynaman. Is there any way that I can find out what was the reason for his incarceration? He was David Bowen MOSES, born Llywel 1859. Many thanks in advance Roger M Evans ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message