----- Original Message ----- From: <BILLGJ@aol.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > Appointed September 1834. > Jones (John), student at Carmarthen, previous > to his appointment. Though a man of very good abilities, > he was in the course of the session 1835-6, deprived of > the Exhibition, and obliged to leave College > > Oh dear! So he never got his degree. The Carmarthen Academy (which I repeat is not to be confused with Trinity College) had no powers to issue any degrees as early as 1836. In pre-St David's College Lampeter days, students for the Anglican ministry in St David's diocese often studied on one of the courses offered by the five episcopally-approved Grammar Schools at Ystrad Meurig, Carmarthen (i.e. Queen Elizabeth - once again not to be confused with the presbyterian academy or with Trinity College), Brecon, Lampeter (i.e. the old grammar school), and Cardigan. AJ

I have just found David Griffiths on 1881 Census at llangranog but I would still love to know more about him if that is at all possible. Regards, Joan

Hello Bill, I have been watching the exchanges on the Carmarthen Academy with interest as my second cousin, Clifford BEVAN, trained there. Are the details of the Williams scholars freely accessible? Clifford won it in 1932. He was also awarded the Upton prize for elocution in the same year. regards, Dai Bevan BILLGJ@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks for this info on Carmarthen Academy It must have been where my > relative - John Jones, of course - went before he became a Williams scholar. > He never quite made it to the Ministry, but he has certainly brightened > up the large list of Joneses that I have! > > Here is something I wrote about him for the Cardiganshire FHS Journal: > > The Williams scholarships were set up under the will of Dr Daniel Williams > of Library fame, the nonconformist who died in January 1715/6. They were > awarded to young men who wished to train as nonconformist ministers, of any > denomination, and candidates were selected by competitive examination in > Latin, Greek, Mathematics and the Scriptures. One of the manuscripts held > in Dr Williams’ Library (in Gordon Square, London) contains biographical > notes of the Williams Scholars. Here is the relevant entry from MS38.57: > > Student cxxxv Appointed September 1834. > Jones (John), student at Carmarthen, previous > to his appointment. Though a man of very good abilities, > he was in the course of the session 1835-6, deprived of > the Exhibition, and obliged to leave College on account > of habits of drunkenness and immorality. Every > endeavour had been used to reclaim him. His > full exhibition was, however, paid to him for that, > as well as the preceding session. > > Oh dear! So he never got his degree. The full exhibition was £40 per > annum in 1834, which was a lot of money in poverty-stricken upland > Cardiganshire. It seems that the money and the freedom went to John’s head. He > was already 23 years old, and perhaps his maturity made him more inclined to > kick over the traces after so many years’ study. > > > > I had thought the list of Williams Scholars might have held a significant > number of Welsh names, but the trustees found it difficult to get suitable > candidates to come forward. John Jones was only the 135th scholar in the > whole of Britain in about 100 years of the award. > > Bill G-J > > > In a message dated 26/08/2009 22:13:29 GMT Daylight Time, acjj@clara.net > writes: > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Andy Philpin" <andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:24 PM >> Subject: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training >> > > >> Does anybody know if the Carmarthen Academy (College) for Preacher >> training is still in existence or where any records from it would be >> housed. I would appreciate any help you can give. >> > > From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > >> May not have the specific answer to your question but the Carmarthen >> > entry > >> on this Genuki page may be of interest Andy >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/TheoColl.html >> > > The key points being: > * The history of the original academy is long and convoluted, > * the College closed in 1963 > * "Oriel Coleg Presbyteraidd Caerfyrddin, 1796-1899" by E Pan Jones, > Merthyr > Tydfil, 1909 ... consists of a chronological collection of biographies of > students, many enlivened with photographs of the individuals concerned, and > has an alphabetical index ... It has a smattering of biographies in > English > alongside those in Welsh." > * The Presbyterian College, was restricted to theology from 1895. There are > records for the period 1820-1951 at National Library of Wales. > * Attended by students from a variety of different nonconformist > denominations > * Not to be confused with Trinity College/Trinity University College, > Carmarthen. > > Photograph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1440725 > > AJ > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found David Griffiths in 1861 in Newport Pem. as collegian of St. Davids College. I think he became vicar at Llangranog but I have been unable to find him after the 1861 Census. Does anyone have any information about him? Any help would be appreciated. Joan

Subject: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training May I suggest an alternative to those already mentioned. Trinity College, was founded in 1848 as the first training college in Wales established through the efforts of Bishop Connop Thirlwal of St. David's "to provide a training for young natives of the Principality selected as fitted for the teaching" and opened in 1848 with 60 Anglican students. The Presbyterian College was also called "The Academy" it occupied a variety of premises throughout its history in Carmarthen, from Lammas Street, to Rhydygors House and finally to premises on The Parade where it was located when it finally closed in 1961. It was the first college in Wales to offer degree qualifications being granted a Royal Warrant in 1842 as an affiliate of the University of London. Prior to the establishment of the Theological College in Lampeter in 1842 the Presbyterian College trained many Anglican clergy. Regards Roger M Evans

Thanks for this info on Carmarthen Academy It must have been where my relative - John Jones, of course - went before he became a Williams scholar. He never quite made it to the Ministry, but he has certainly brightened up the large list of Joneses that I have! Here is something I wrote about him for the Cardiganshire FHS Journal: The Williams scholarships were set up under the will of Dr Daniel Williams of Library fame, the nonconformist who died in January 1715/6. They were awarded to young men who wished to train as nonconformist ministers, of any denomination, and candidates were selected by competitive examination in Latin, Greek, Mathematics and the Scriptures. One of the manuscripts held in Dr Williams’ Library (in Gordon Square, London) contains biographical notes of the Williams Scholars. Here is the relevant entry from MS38.57: Student cxxxv Appointed September 1834. Jones (John), student at Carmarthen, previous to his appointment. Though a man of very good abilities, he was in the course of the session 1835-6, deprived of the Exhibition, and obliged to leave College on account of habits of drunkenness and immorality. Every endeavour had been used to reclaim him. His full exhibition was, however, paid to him for that, as well as the preceding session. Oh dear! So he never got his degree. The full exhibition was £40 per annum in 1834, which was a lot of money in poverty-stricken upland Cardiganshire. It seems that the money and the freedom went to John’s head. He was already 23 years old, and perhaps his maturity made him more inclined to kick over the traces after so many years’ study. I had thought the list of Williams Scholars might have held a significant number of Welsh names, but the trustees found it difficult to get suitable candidates to come forward. John Jones was only the 135th scholar in the whole of Britain in about 100 years of the award. Bill G-J In a message dated 26/08/2009 22:13:29 GMT Daylight Time, acjj@clara.net writes: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Philpin" <andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > Does anybody know if the Carmarthen Academy (College) for Preacher > training is still in existence or where any records from it would be > housed. I would appreciate any help you can give. From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > May not have the specific answer to your question but the Carmarthen entry > on this Genuki page may be of interest Andy > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/TheoColl.html The key points being: * The history of the original academy is long and convoluted, * the College closed in 1963 * "Oriel Coleg Presbyteraidd Caerfyrddin, 1796-1899" by E Pan Jones, Merthyr Tydfil, 1909 ... consists of a chronological collection of biographies of students, many enlivened with photographs of the individuals concerned, and has an alphabetical index ... It has a smattering of biographies in English alongside those in Welsh." * The Presbyterian College, was restricted to theology from 1895. There are records for the period 1820-1951 at National Library of Wales. * Attended by students from a variety of different nonconformist denominations * Not to be confused with Trinity College/Trinity University College, Carmarthen. Photograph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1440725 AJ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Photos of: St David's Church, Llywel, BRE Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: St David's Church at Llywel in Breconshire (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Llywel link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Philpin" <andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:24 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > Does anybody know if the Carmarthen Academy (College) for Preacher > training is still in existence or where any records from it would be > housed. I would appreciate any help you can give. From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > May not have the specific answer to your question but the Carmarthen entry > on this Genuki page may be of interest Andy > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/TheoColl.html The key points being: * The history of the original academy is long and convoluted, * the College closed in 1963 * "Oriel Coleg Presbyteraidd Caerfyrddin, 1796-1899" by E Pan Jones, Merthyr Tydfil, 1909 ... consists of a chronological collection of biographies of students, many enlivened with photographs of the individuals concerned, and has an alphabetical index ... It has a smattering of biographies in English alongside those in Welsh." * The Presbyterian College, was restricted to theology from 1895. There are records for the period 1820-1951 at National Library of Wales. * Attended by students from a variety of different nonconformist denominations * Not to be confused with Trinity College/Trinity University College, Carmarthen. Photograph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1440725 AJ

May not have the specific answer to your question but the Carmarthen entry on this Genuki page may be of interest Andy http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/TheoColl.html Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Philpin" <andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:24 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training Hi list, Does anybody know if the Carmarthen Academy (College) for Preacher training is still in existence or where any records from it would be housed. I would appreciate any help you can give. Regards, Andy _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years-enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, Does anybody know if the Carmarthen Academy (College) for Preacher training is still in existence or where any records from it would be housed. I would appreciate any help you can give. Regards, Andy _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Thanks for 10 great years—enjoy free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

I just wanted to apologize for taking up so much space on the list. I thought I was answering Tommy personally after the first email. Yvonne, I'm jealous. My husband and I visited Cilymaenllwyd for Family History research last spring and absolutely fell in love with both the place and the people (and the Welsh). What a beautiful land.

Dai, Thank you very much for that - that is definately my John and now I know when he died as well. All the Best Andy > Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:42:39 +0100 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk > CC: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] Rev John Griffiths Congregational Minister Port Talbot > > Andy, > Is this your John GRIFFITHS? > > Griffiths, John > Born: April 1865 Kilgerran, Pembs > Died: 27 November 1937 > Date Academy Tutor Note > n.d.-n.d. Carmarthen Academy > Date Place County Note > 1896-1936 Wern, Aberavon Glamorgan > > from the Surman index at http://surman.english.qmul.ac.uk/start.php . > If this is the wrong John, there are others. > > Dai > > Andy Philpin wrote: > > I have just discovered that one of my relatives was a congregational preacher in Port Talbot from around 1890 to at least 1932. He did have some relationship with the Tabernacle Chapel in Cwmavon Road which I believe ix now closed. I was just wondering if anyone has come across any information on John but I could also do with a hand identifying where he was living in the 1911 Census as it is shown as 14 Curieou Terrace, Port Talbot? I must admit this has got me beat at the moment as I can't find it. > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any help at all. > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Celebrate a decade of Messenger with free winks, emoticons, display pics, and more. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Messenger: Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elwyn Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:04 AM Subject: [Dyfed] FW: [CMN-L] look up 1891/1901 > Sent off list David > Hello list, > Who can find my Elisabeth Davies, born Llandyfriog 1870, daugther of James > Davies, Blaencillech. > > In 1881 census she was at Penlon Cillech and then at the age of 11. > > She could have married into another Davies family before 1891. > > > > Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hello list, Who can find my Elisabeth Davies, born Llandyfriog 1870, daugther of James Davies, Blaencillech. In 1881 census she was at Penlon Cillech and then at the age of 11. She could have married into another Davies family before 1891. Elwyn - Netherlands. http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.57/2303 - datum van uitgifte: 08/14/09 18:10:00

Hi all, I live round the corner from Rhydymerydd which is Cilmaenllwyd parish. Just to explain about the parish of Llandissilio. It was divided until recently into Llandissilio East and Llandissilio West.Landissilio East was in Carms and Llandissilio West was in Pembs. Of course Cilmaenllwyd boundary was only a few yards from Llan East. Lea I am trying to find out for you about availability of Land Tax Records Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> To: "Tommy (Dyfed)" <dyfed@tommye.plus.com>; "'LeaMarie Robertson'" <leamarrob@gmail.com>; "'Dyfed'" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) > Hi, Just thought I'd let you know that my 3xGgrandfather farmed at > Rhydymerydd in Cilymaenllwyd, sometime in 1700's. He moved from there to > Brynymeini in Abernant. His name was Erasmus Philipps born 1734 and died > 1808.So far have not discovered when he lived anywhere, he had a brother > John who seemed to have stayed in Cilymaenllwyd but unless I find a Will I > can't tell one John P from another. > Katherine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy (Dyfed)" <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> > To: "'LeaMarie Robertson'" <leamarrob@gmail.com>; "'Dyfed'" > <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) > > >> Lea >> >> Thanks for that. >> >> Yes Margaret's family were Owen James & Phebe - farming virtually next >> door >> to Rhosfach at Rhydmeryddfawr on the 1861 census. >> >> >> >> Tommy >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: LeaMarie Robertson [mailto:leamarrob@gmail.com] >> Sent: 25 August 2009 20:09 >> To: Tommy (Dyfed) >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) >> >> >> >> That's interesting Tommy. I believe that Elizabeth's father's name was >> Thomas Thomas, who died in 1818 while living at Closbach. My Elizabeth >> Thomas was living there at the same time with her husband Morris MORGAN. >> I >> wouldn't be at all surprised if our lines crossed and we shared a common >> ancestor. Maybe Thomas Thomas. Hopefully somewhere along the road we'll >> find some new information. >> >> Do you know who Margaret's JAMES family was? Lea >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Tommy (Dyfed) <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> >> wrote: >> >> Lea >> Yes Cilymaenllwyd is in the Llandissilio area - on the border between PEM >> and CMN. >> My link is through the son Thomas Thomas - who married Margaret (nee >> James) >> and farmed in the 1851 census at Rhosvach (Rhosfach) and then through >> their >> son Owen - showing in the 1861 census - still at Rhosfach. >> >> Tommy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Just thought I'd let you know that my 3xGgrandfather farmed at Rhydymerydd in Cilymaenllwyd, sometime in 1700's. He moved from there to Brynymeini in Abernant. His name was Erasmus Philipps born 1734 and died 1808.So far have not discovered when he lived anywhere, he had a brother John who seemed to have stayed in Cilymaenllwyd but unless I find a Will I can't tell one John P from another. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy (Dyfed)" <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> To: "'LeaMarie Robertson'" <leamarrob@gmail.com>; "'Dyfed'" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) > Lea > > Thanks for that. > > Yes Margaret's family were Owen James & Phebe - farming virtually next > door > to Rhosfach at Rhydmeryddfawr on the 1861 census. > > > > Tommy > > > > _____ > > From: LeaMarie Robertson [mailto:leamarrob@gmail.com] > Sent: 25 August 2009 20:09 > To: Tommy (Dyfed) > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) > > > > That's interesting Tommy. I believe that Elizabeth's father's name was > Thomas Thomas, who died in 1818 while living at Closbach. My Elizabeth > Thomas was living there at the same time with her husband Morris MORGAN. > I > wouldn't be at all surprised if our lines crossed and we shared a common > ancestor. Maybe Thomas Thomas. Hopefully somewhere along the road we'll > find some new information. > > Do you know who Margaret's JAMES family was? Lea > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Tommy (Dyfed) <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> > wrote: > > Lea > Yes Cilymaenllwyd is in the Llandissilio area - on the border between PEM > and CMN. > My link is through the son Thomas Thomas - who married Margaret (nee > James) > and farmed in the 1851 census at Rhosvach (Rhosfach) and then through > their > son Owen - showing in the 1861 census - still at Rhosfach. > > Tommy > > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Lea Thanks for that. Yes Margaret's family were Owen James & Phebe - farming virtually next door to Rhosfach at Rhydmeryddfawr on the 1861 census. Tommy _____ From: LeaMarie Robertson [mailto:leamarrob@gmail.com] Sent: 25 August 2009 20:09 To: Tommy (Dyfed) Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) That's interesting Tommy. I believe that Elizabeth's father's name was Thomas Thomas, who died in 1818 while living at Closbach. My Elizabeth Thomas was living there at the same time with her husband Morris MORGAN. I wouldn't be at all surprised if our lines crossed and we shared a common ancestor. Maybe Thomas Thomas. Hopefully somewhere along the road we'll find some new information. Do you know who Margaret's JAMES family was? Lea On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Tommy (Dyfed) <dyfed@tommye.plus.com> wrote: Lea Yes Cilymaenllwyd is in the Llandissilio area - on the border between PEM and CMN. My link is through the son Thomas Thomas - who married Margaret (nee James) and farmed in the 1851 census at Rhosvach (Rhosfach) and then through their son Owen - showing in the 1861 census - still at Rhosfach. Tommy

Lea Yes Cilymaenllwyd is in the Llandissilio area - on the border between PEM and CMN. My link is through the son Thomas Thomas - who married Margaret (nee James) and farmed in the 1851 census at Rhosvach (Rhosfach) and then through their son Owen - showing in the 1861 census - still at Rhosfach. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of LeaMarie Robertson Sent: 25 August 2009 18:58 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Cilymaenllwyd (Tommy (Dyfed)) Hi Tommy, I can't say that I have a much information about your 3x G grandparents that live in Pompren Mill in 1841, but I am also interested in them. Actually, I started looking at them seriously just a couple of days ago. My 4x G grandmother is Elizabeth Morgan. Her maiden name was Thomas (do I say nee Thomas?). She lists Llandissilio as her place of origin, which I believe is still Cilymaenllwyd (correct me if I'm wrong). I've been tracing some names of pall-bearers at her son and daughter-in-law's funeral and Benlan is one of those names. Benjamin Thomas is living in Lan, Cilymaenllwyd in 1866. He lives there with his father in 1841, in Cilymaenllwyd. On a couple of census' he has nieces and nephews staying with him, one from Cilymaenllwyd. I believe these may all be part of the Thomas family of my 4x G grandmother. The four houses to one side of Pomren Mill house are all related MORGAN and JAMES. Do you have any other information at all about this family? Any relatives in Monachlogddu, Pemb. by chance? Lea ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tommy, I can't say that I have a much information about your 3x G grandparents that live in Pompren Mill in 1841, but I am also interested in them. Actually, I started looking at them seriously just a couple of days ago. My 4x G grandmother is Elizabeth Morgan. Her maiden name was Thomas (do I say nee Thomas?). She lists Llandissilio as her place of origin, which I believe is still Cilymaenllwyd (correct me if I'm wrong). I've been tracing some names of pall-bearers at her son and daughter-in-law's funeral and Benlan is one of those names. Benjamin Thomas is living in Lan, Cilymaenllwyd in 1866. He lives there with his father in 1841, in Cilymaenllwyd. On a couple of census' he has nieces and nephews staying with him, one from Cilymaenllwyd. I believe these may all be part of the Thomas family of my 4x G grandmother. The four houses to one side of Pomren Mill house are all related MORGAN and JAMES. Do you have any other information at all about this family? Any relatives in Monachlogddu, Pemb. by chance? Lea

Those listers who are interested in Haverfordwest might find this site useful: http://www.archive.org/details/historyofhaverfo00brow The whole of the book can be viewed on-line or downloaded in several different formats. Gerry Lewis