Hi Jen, I have always presumed that the family of gentry took staff with them to their new residence, being loath to lose them. or on the other hand just as happens today, they were known to friends of the gentry family (It was who you know!) By the way Bettws Bledrws is where my g.grandmother came from, but at an earlier date then what you mention. Personally I have a mystery of an ancestor from Maesteg Glam moving to Llanstinan Pembs in 1780's before industrial revolution! Best wishes Yvonne Evans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Cairns" <jenmathias@gmail.com> To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 12:12 PM Subject: [Dyfed] How did Estate Staff find jobs in the 19th C? Dear Listers Frederick Saunders, born and lived in Norfolk, came to Llangybi/Betws Bleddrws around 1887 His wife and baby (not actually married at the time of the birth Jan 1887) came to Betws where they married in April 1887, place of residence of the groom given as Derry Ormond Kennels (Betws B.) - their next baby's place of birth given as Cilgwyn Cottage, but the family appeared to have been resident at some point in Cilgwyn Uchaf. In Cilgwyn Cottage in 1891 the family in residence was another game keeper from Norfolk and his sisters (surname Dennis) - so I can presume this would be the first connection... By 1891 however Frederick Saunders and his family had moved on again to a much grander mansion to work. This was Charlborough Park estate - presumably owned by the Drax family. MY Question is:- how did gamekeepers etc find out where the jobs were in those days. Word of mouth ? But how and where ? I know that at the end of the 19th c. one of the grande dames of the area took her hunters to England to hunt (by train), and took a groom (or two?!) with them, which is one route of communication I suppose. There was no job centre in those days. And in Frederick Saunders' case he moved from Norfolk to Cardiganshire, and then in a very short time (between the censuses) moved again to a grander mansion in Dorset. How did news spread amongst the groom/game keepers of the day? I can quite see if a man starts work in a London household then he is likely to be offered something out in the wilds of Wales, but the Saunders family appeared not to have any connections with the crachach in London. I know that some gamekeepers on the Derry Ormond Estate moved, but only to the other side of town to Falcondale so a need for gamekeepers had only to travel into the nearest pub and the word would spread in the locality - unless via the estate owners themselves. Was this swooping from one side of the country to another commonplace, and how did people find out what jobs were going? Any ideas gratefully received. Jen ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Listers   Frederick Saunders, born and lived in Norfolk, came to Llangybi/Betws Bleddrws around 1887   His wife and baby (not actually married at the time of the birth Jan 1887) came to Betws where they married in April 1887, place of residence of the groom given as Derry Ormond Kennels (Betws B.) - their next baby's place of birth given as Cilgwyn Cottage, but the family appeared to have been resident at some point in Cilgwyn Uchaf.    In Cilgwyn Cottage in 1891 the family in residence was another game keeper from Norfolk and his sisters (surname Dennis) - so I can presume this would be the first connection...  By 1891 however Frederick Saunders and his family had moved on again to a much grander mansion to work. This was Charlborough Park estate - presumably owned by the Drax family.   MY Question is:-  how did gamekeepers etc find out where the jobs were in those days.  Word of mouth ?  But how and where ?  I know that at the end of the 19th c. one of the grande dames of the area took her hunters to England to hunt (by train), and took a groom (or two?!) with them, which is one route of communication I suppose.  There was no job centre in those days.  And in Frederick Saunders' case he moved from Norfolk to Cardiganshire, and then in a very short time (between the censuses) moved again to a grander mansion in Dorset.    How did news spread amongst the groom/game keepers of the day?  I can quite see if a man starts work in a London household then he is likely to be offered something out in the wilds of Wales, but the Saunders family appeared not to have any connections with the crachach in London.    I know that some gamekeepers on the Derry Ormond Estate moved, but only to the other side of town to Falcondale so a need for gamekeepers had only to travel into the nearest pub and the word would spread in the locality - unless via the estate owners themselves.   Was this swooping from one side of the country to another commonplace, and how did people find out what jobs were going?   Any ideas gratefully received.   Jen

Photos of: Seion Independent Chapel, Myddfai, CMN Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: Capel Seion (Zion), Welsh Independent Chapel at Myddfai in Carmarthenshire (photography by John Ball) Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the relevant Myddfai link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear Listers, My website on Welsh Chapels and Churches has been down for some time, I am now happy to report that it is now up and running again. I hope you like it. If anyone spots any fault or a chapel/church image that has been sent to me, but does not appear on the site, please let me know. I am indebted to listers present and past who helped by supplies of photographs. Selwyn Davies, such a great loss to this list was a wonderful and enthusiastic contributor of Rhondda images. To all I send my thanks. http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ My best wishes, Jill See website for JONES [3 lines!], KNIGHT and DAVIES http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/

Hi, I know I have not written to this list for some time but I have a question that perhaps someone can answer from this list. I am looking for a birth/baptism of an Evan Maddy around 1730/45. He was married at Llanigon in Breconshire in 1766, although it is possible he was also married 6 years earlier in 1760. I assume first wife died. I have found that there were some Maddys around Carmathenshire in the 1700's and am wondering if perhaps he came from that area as I can find no evidence of his birth/baptism in Breconshire. I did see that there was a Samuel Maddy in Llanarthney in 1700 with a wife Ann? Here's hoping. Sue in Suffolk

Dear Vera I was just about to throw away last weeks Western Telegraph when I thought you and maybe some others would be interested in an obituary which is in it. After a short illness, Alec Frederick Munt, died on August 1st at his daughters house in Mathry. Alec, formally of Gwyther Street, Pembroke Dock, celebrated his 90th birthday in June. He was born in Haverfordwest, being the second son in the family jewellers B H Munt and Son. He went to Barn Street School and Haverfordwest Grammar School, after which he trained to join the family business. Alec joined the REME during the Second World War and served in Africa and Italy before setting up his home and his own jewellers and watchmakers shop in Queen Street, Pembroke Dock, with his wife Dorothy (nee Davies) who predeceased him. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk

Before the last war Haverfodwest had a carnival, usually in July. I remember one not long before the war and the musical theme song was the Stein Song. I don't suppose anyone remembers that? Have there mean carnivals since then? Vera

Hello list, Who can find my Elisabeth Davies, born Llandyfriog 1870, daugther of James Davies, Blaencillech. In 1881 census she was at Penlon Cillech and then at the age of 11. She could have married into another Davies family before 1891. Elwyn - Netherlands. http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.57/2303 - datum van uitgifte: 08/14/09 18:10:00 ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.387 / Virusdatabase: 270.13.65/2324 - datum van uitgifte: 08/24/09 12:55:00

Elwyn, I sent you the images of these on 26 August. 1891 RG12; Piece: 4548; Folio 8; Page 11 Thomas Jenkins 60 Margaret Jenkins 55 Elizabeth Jenkins 18 David R Jenkins 15 Martha Jenkins 12 Samuel R Jenkins 11 Elizabeth Davies 21 1901 RG13; Piece: 5140; Folio: 21; Page: 9 David Davies 40 Elizabeth Davies 30 Lettuce Davies 2 Gertrude Jones 11 Juggy Evans 13 Robert Price 25

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%) Gale Henry Pontypridd 11a 444 Gould David Pontypridd 11a 444 > From: e.schreuder7@chello.nl > To: dyfed-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 22:02:47 +0200 > CC: glamorgan-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Dyfed] marriage > > Hello list, > > > > Can somebody help me with my search for a wedding between David Gould and > Sarah Jenkins in 1876 in the Pontypridd-are. > > Couple lived up till 1936 and celebrated their diamond-wedding. > > Would like to know their date of marriage. Possibly June. Then may be able > to find a paper-cutting re to the diamond-wedding in 1936. > > > > Elwyn -Netherlands. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hello list, Can somebody help me with my search for a wedding between David Gould and Sarah Jenkins in 1876 in the Pontypridd-are. Couple lived up till 1936 and celebrated their diamond-wedding. Would like to know their date of marriage. Possibly June. Then may be able to find a paper-cutting re to the diamond-wedding in 1936. Elwyn -Netherlands.

My very limited Welsh makes me think the piece about poetry and song refers perhaps to a gifted bass singer? "can" as translated from the Welsh to sing (or play an instrument). Shall be interested to see the true version from a Welsh speaker. It reminds me of Spike Milligan's story of how in his youth he was looking to buy an inexpensive bass (presumably a guitar) and going in answer to an advertisement for a "Bass"for sale,. he was surprised to find it was a poor woman selling a pram (perambulator) using the "old fashioned" word/abbreviation bass (bassinet). Translation often shows how many versions of the same word might be possible. I was very puzzled when putting in sentences about some German ancestors how frequently the words << cock>> and <<young>> inappropriately appeared until I realised that automatic translation had given me in English the family surnames Hahn and Jung. Betty

Reply sent off list, Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeaMarie Robertson" <leamarrob@gmail.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 11:43 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Thomas JAMES (1814-1885) Translation please > Can anyone help me with the following translation from: Efailwen to > Whitland > Vol. 2. The online version says "He wept flour" in the middle and ends > with > "being silent Bass". The bass might be understandable for a teacher and > musician if it involves an instrument rather than a fish, but weeping > flour > doesn't seem likely at all! > > "Gwr mawr, doethwr mewn cymdeithas - o'l ol > Wylodd Can a Barddas; > Anthemau gofiaint Thomas > Denai y byd a dawn Bass". > > Diolch, Lea > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello listers. Is there anyone on this list with a connection to the LLEWELLYN name from Little Newcastle, Nr Fishguard, I have just come across an address for a Simon LLEWELLYN that you may be interested in having. Ann Ontario, Canada GlamFHS#4430

Aidan, The excerpt I quoted didn't mention the University, but the article from which it came made it clear that John Jones went to Glasgow University; he was a student at Carmarthen before winning his Williams scholarship. Scholars took Theology degrees at Glasgow University - that's where he went for two years, but he then lost his scholarship so did not complete his degree. Bill G-J In a message dated 28/08/2009 15:10:16 GMT Daylight Time, acjj@clara.net writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: <BILLGJ@aol.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Carms: Carmarthen Academy for Preacher training > Appointed September 1834. > Jones (John), student at Carmarthen, previous > to his appointment. Though a man of very good abilities, > he was in the course of the session 1835-6, deprived of > the Exhibition, and obliged to leave College > > Oh dear! So he never got his degree. The Carmarthen Academy (which I repeat is not to be confused with Trinity College) had no powers to issue any degrees as early as 1836. In pre-St David's College Lampeter days, students for the Anglican ministry in St David's diocese often studied on one of the courses offered by the five episcopally-approved Grammar Schools at Ystrad Meurig, Carmarthen (i.e. Queen Elizabeth - once again not to be confused with the presbyterian academy or with Trinity College), Brecon, Lampeter (i.e. the old grammar school), and Cardigan. AJ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone help me with the following translation from: Efailwen to Whitland Vol. 2. The online version says "He wept flour" in the middle and ends with "being silent Bass". The bass might be understandable for a teacher and musician if it involves an instrument rather than a fish, but weeping flour doesn't seem likely at all! "Gwr mawr, doethwr mewn cymdeithas - o'l ol Wylodd Can a Barddas; Anthemau gofiaint Thomas Denai y byd a dawn Bass". Diolch, Lea

Thank you Aidan, I think this could be the right David Griffiths. I have tried to match the census details but although they are not exactlry the same I don't think they are far apart. In 1871 census he is vicar of Felinfoel ,Carm. 1881 census vicar of Llanddarog and 1891 he is vicar of Felinfoel. I hope someone will tell me if they think I have mismatched him to your findings. My map reading skills are not the best! Kindest regards, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aidan Jones" <acjj@clara.net> To: "Joan Sims 1" <joan.sims1@btinternet.com>; "Dyfed" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pem,David Griffiths > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joan Sims 1" <joan.sims1@btinternet.com> > To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:46 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] Pem,David Griffiths > > >> I have found David Griffiths in 1861 in Newport Pem. as collegian of St. >> Davids College. I think he became vicar at Llangranog but I have been >> unable to find him after the 1861 Census. Does anyone have any >> information >> about him? Any help would be appreciated. >> Joan > > The only David Griffiths mentioned in Crockford's Clerical Directories > 1860s-90s as having studied at St David's College [Lampeter] around 1861 > was > ordained by the Bishop of St David's in 1864, Curate of Llandilo Vawr > 1864-71, Vicar of Mothvey 1871-76; Vicar of Christ Church, Cwmamman, > 1876-1891, and Vicar of Llanarthney from 1891. > > AJ > >

Retrospectives: Brychgoed Chapel, BRE; Swffrydd-fach Farm, Crumlin, MON Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. The remotely situated Brychgoed Independent Chapel, its burial-yard and the surrounding countryside, near Heol Senni in the county of Breconshire (seventeen pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 2004. 2. The 400-year-old Swyffrydd-fach Farm near Crumlin in the county of Monmouthshire (eleven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 2002. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hello list, Can somebody tell me if Rodney Street was later turned into Bond Street. Found my Lewis-ancestors at both streets with nr 30. Believe it was in Roath area. Also would like to know if the parish, Christ Church at Trafalgar Terrace is still there. Elwyn - Netherlands.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Sims 1" <joan.sims1@btinternet.com> To: "Dyfed" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Pem,David Griffiths > I have found David Griffiths in 1861 in Newport Pem. as collegian of St. > Davids College. I think he became vicar at Llangranog but I have been > unable to find him after the 1861 Census. Does anyone have any information > about him? Any help would be appreciated. > Joan The only David Griffiths mentioned in Crockford's Clerical Directories 1860s-90s as having studied at St David's College [Lampeter] around 1861 was ordained by the Bishop of St David's in 1864, Curate of Llandilo Vawr 1864-71, Vicar of Mothvey 1871-76; Vicar of Christ Church, Cwmamman, 1876-1891, and Vicar of Llanarthney from 1891. AJ