Elwyn, Pontypridd is in Glamorgan not Dyfed. Try the Glamorgan list. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elwyn Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Pontypridd > Hello list, > > > > Can somebody tell me if 3 Coedpenmaen Road, Trallwn, Pontypridd, still > exists? > > My Griffith Davies was there in 1901 according to the census records. > > > > Elwyn - Netherlands. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.91/2363 - Release Date: 09/11/09 09:15:00

Hello list, Who can find my Louisa Jones, born Dec 1901 in Newcastle Emlyn area. Father Albert Jones, collier. Family could have moved up to Cardiff later. Albert Jones died before 1926. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hello list, Can somebody tell me if 3 Coedpenmaen Road, Trallwn, Pontypridd, still exists? My Griffith Davies was there in 1901 according to the census records. Elwyn - Netherlands.

?Thanks Jan for your reply to my email regarding the Cousins in Bettws Bleddrws. I was hoping that an Alice born c 1852 would show up in this family but couldn't find her on any of the censuses.The only info I have on her is that she married James Griffith Jones in Carmarthen in 1881 and in 1882 she was in Aberystwyth where her daughter Edith Letitia was born . ?thanks again , Buddug Hollett

Does anyone have any relatives who were killed at the Battle of Fromelles, 19/20 July 1916? The CWGC have published a list of possible identities of those exhumed from a mass grave, and the search is now on for relatives who can help with DNA identification. Dyfed (+ 1 Glam) names on the list are: Service Number Rank Full Name Unit Regiment Home Town 5949 Private DAVIES, JAMES ERNEST 2nd/7th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Llandovery, Carmarthenshire 267414 Lance Corporal DAVIES, ROBERT CLIFFORD 2nd/7th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Llanelly 5958 Private GRIFFITHS, JOHN 2nd/7th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Cardigan 5970 Lance Corporal HARRIS, DANIEL 2nd/7th Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment Manordilo, Camarthenshire 5962 Private REES, WILLIAM SIMON 2nd/7th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Llandilo, Carmarthenshire 267174 Private JAMES, BENJAMIN 2nd/7th Bn. Royal Warwickshire Regiment Pontypridd There are many others with unknown home town. Full details at http://www.cwgc.org/fromelles/?page=english/the-project/casualty_lists Dai

Photos of: St Michael's Church, Myddfai, CMN Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: The parish church of St Michael, at Myddfai in Carmarthenshire (photography by John Ball) This feature includes the legend of the Lady of the Lake, and the story of the Physicians of Myddfai. Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the relevant Myddfai link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Hi Bill Found a Penyparc Baptist chapel on Coflein At SN21204789 which is the Penparc in CGN, and not that far away from the Pem border and Manordeifi. It's also on Genuki (and Dyfed FHS) under Llangoedmor parish Coflein http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/7320/details/PENYPARC+WELSH+BAPTIST+CHURCH+%28PENPARCADDOLDY%29%2C+PENPARC/ Genuki http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llangoedmor/#ChurchHistory Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <BILLGJ@aol.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:42 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Penparc Chapel, 18th century - ?PEM/CGN border >I have been looking at the records for Cilfowyr Baptist chapel in > Manordeifi parish. They mention another chapel, presumably a daughter > of > Cilfowyr, called Penparc. > > Does anyone know where Penparc was in the 1780s/is now? It must have > been fairly near Cilfowyr but it might have been in either PEM or CGN. > I > have looked on the Dyfed website but did not find Penparc. > > It should be in Reynolds' book on nonconformist chapels, but I do not have > the book. > > Regards > Bill G-J > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Gareth, I find your reply most intriguing! What is the most mystifying is that my ancestor David David of Llangynwyd Parish(from research possibly Bryn area of Maesteg) left the countryside of that area to one of the most remote areas of Pembrokeshire i.e. Llanstinan in approx 1780. His family parents etc remained behind. I have nearly resorted to tearing my hair out about this one!! I have even looked up Pembs gentry for Llanstinan in the hope that there is a connection They were Symmons of Llanstinan Mansion at that time(Ibelieve). I know of course that there could be a chuch connection e.g. curate. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Morgan" <morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk> To: "Dyfed FamHist" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] How did Estate Staff find jobs in the 19th C? Hello Jen,Yvonne If you do a search on Gareth Hicks site for fairs you will get the folowing information included at the bottom of this message. As for Yvonne's suprise at her ancester moving from the Llynfi valley to "Llanstinan Pembs in 1780's before industrial revolution!" This was the time of the Industrial Revolution. Maesteg started a little later in 1798. What people fail to realise is that before the age of the train drovers would walk from the west to the cities of England with their animals together with people looking for work. When I think of that period, the image I have is of Iolo Morganwg with a with a bundle attached to a stick carried on his shoulder and a book in the other hand walking toward Maesteg having just returned from London. I can just about manage a trip to the shops on shank's pony and that on a fine day. Gareth http://home.clara.net/tirbach/index.html Hiring Fairs Such fairs were held annually, usually in market towns. Their purpose was to assist employers in finding employees and vice versa.The latter were mainly domestics and ag labs. They were hired for 1 year. Both parties were attracted to the fairs from miles around which contributed to the mobility of families. This is the main reason for men and families jumping quite long distances between census returns, and sometimes men aquiring local wives and settling down permanently in the new area as well. It seems parish and county lines were no barrier to this movement. If your ag lab ancestor has disappeared find out where the local hiring fair was held, and what its catchment area might have been, you may be lucky. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: Hi Jen, I have always presumed that the family of gentry took staff with them to their new residence, being loath to lose them. or on the other hand just as happens today, they were known to friends of the gentry family (It was who you know!) By the way Bettws Bledrws is where my g.grandmother came from, but at an earlier date then what you mention. Personally I have a mystery of an ancestor from Maesteg Glam moving to Llanstinan Pembs in 1780's before industrial revolution! Best wishes Subject: [Dyfed] How did Estate Staff find jobs in the 19th Dear Listers Frederick Saunders, born and lived in Norfolk, came to Llangybi/Betws Bleddrws around 1887 His wife and baby (not actually married at the time of the birth Jan 1887) came to Betws where they married in April 1887, place of residence of the groom given as Derry Ormond Kennels (Betws B..) - their next baby's place of birth given as Cilgwyn Cottage, but the family appeared to have been resident at some point in Cilgwyn Uchaf. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been looking at the records for Cilfowyr Baptist chapel in Manordeifi parish. They mention another chapel, presumably a daughter of Cilfowyr, called Penparc. Does anyone know where Penparc was in the 1780s/is now? It must have been fairly near Cilfowyr but it might have been in either PEM or CGN. I have looked on the Dyfed website but did not find Penparc. It should be in Reynolds' book on nonconformist chapels, but I do not have the book. Regards Bill G-J

Hello Jen,Yvonne If you do a search on Gareth Hicks site for fairs you will get the folowing information included at the bottom of this message. As for Yvonne's suprise at her ancester moving from the Llynfi valley to "Llanstinan Pembs in 1780's before industrial revolution!" This was the time of the Industrial Revolution. Maesteg started a little later in 1798. What people fail to realise is that before the age of the train drovers would walk from the west to the cities of England with their animals together with people looking for work. When I think of that period, the image I have is of Iolo Morganwg with a with a bundle attached to a stick carried on his shoulder and a book in the other hand walking toward Maesteg having just returned from London. I can just about manage a trip to the shops on shank's pony and that on a fine day. Gareth http://home.clara.net/tirbach/index.html Hiring Fairs Such fairs were held annually, usually in market towns. Their purpose was to assist employers in finding employees and vice versa.The latter were mainly domestics and ag labs. They were hired for 1 year. Both parties were attracted to the fairs from miles around which contributed to the mobility of families. This is the main reason for men and families jumping quite long distances between census returns, and sometimes men aquiring local wives and settling down permanently in the new area as well. It seems parish and county lines were no barrier to this movement. If your ag lab ancestor has disappeared find out where the local hiring fair was held, and what its catchment area might have been, you may be lucky. --- On Fri, 4/9/09, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: Hi Jen, I have always presumed that the family of gentry took staff with them to their new residence, being loath to lose them. or on the other hand just as happens today, they were known to friends of the gentry family (It was who you know!)  By the way Bettws Bledrws is where my g.grandmother came from, but at an earlier date then what you mention. Personally I have a mystery of an ancestor from Maesteg Glam moving to Llanstinan Pembs in 1780's before industrial revolution! Best wishes Subject: [Dyfed] How did Estate Staff find jobs in the 19th Dear Listers Frederick Saunders, born and lived in Norfolk, came to Llangybi/Betws Bleddrws around 1887 His wife and baby (not actually married at the time of the birth Jan 1887) came to Betws where they married in April 1887, place of residence of the groom given as Derry Ormond Kennels (Betws B..) - their next baby's place of birth given as Cilgwyn Cottage, but the family appeared to have been resident at some point in Cilgwyn Uchaf.

Dear Dai, Shirley and Yvonne   Many thanks for your helpful input into the lives of 19th C. gamekeepers (and poachers). Very illuminating.    The 2001 census I was an enumerator around these parts, and when helping an old chap to fill in the form (and also answering his questions on my ancestors) he told me with great satisfaction that he knew a great-uncle of mine (who fought in WWI) - "he was a wonderful poacher" I was told -  Great Uncle Nat worked on the Derry Ormond estate. Clearly greatly to his satisfaction and he must have been a challenge for the gamekeepers !   Thanks again   Jen   --- On Fri, 4/9/09, Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> wrote: From: Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] How did Estate Staff find jobs in the 19th C? To: "dyfed" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 4 September, 2009, 12:12 PM Jen, It wasn't only a case of the servants travelling with their employers.    If he was a gamekeeper, then his employers would invite others to shoot on their land.  The visitors would soon get an idea of a gamekeeper's abilities, and when a vacancy occurred. could 'headhunt' those they coveted. There were also adverts in the appropriate magazines - probably bought by the employer, but likely to be seen by the gamekeeper. Dai Jennifer Cairns wrote: > <snip? > How did news spread amongst the groom/game keepers of the day?  I can quite see if a man starts work in a London household then he is likely to be offered something out in the wilds of Wales, but the Saunders family appeared not to have any connections with the crachach in London.  >  > > I know that some gamekeepers on the Derry Ormond Estate moved, but only to the other side of town to Falcondale so a need for gamekeepers had only to travel into the nearest pub and the word would spread in the locality - unless via the estate owners themselves. >  > Was this swooping from one side of the country to another commonplace, and how did people find out what jobs were going? >  > Any ideas gratefully received. >  > Jen > > >        >  > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >    ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not sure if this will help you, but I have a William Hire born about 1800 in Steynton. He married Esther Jones on 1/11/1823 in Hubberston. Unfortunately I don't have a record of who his parents were. Myra Heywood, Goodwick

Hi ?Is there anyone researching the Cousins family who came from Suffolk to Betws Bledrws in the 1800 ?. The head of the family was a Thomas Cousins and his wife was Fanny (both born in Suffolk). Thanks Buddug Hollett ?

Can any lister help. I am trying to trace the ancestry of John HIRE born circ. 1801 who married Jane(Jannett Evans?) in Steynton in 1821. They had seven children. These are ancestors of my stepson John Walters. Any information will be much appreciated. Henry Johnston

Photos of: Brychgoed Chapel, Heol Senni, BRE Dear Listers, The latest development on my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is an expansion of the feature on: Brychgoed Independent Chapel near Heol Senni in Breconshire New photos of chapel interior (photography by Jennifer Cairns) Additional text on chapel history Two extra webpages of photos of chapel in its surroundings Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Heol Senni link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

If an ancestor died in 1840 at his home in Milford Haven, could anyone tell me where he may be buried? His family was Anglican. Cheers Philippa in Oz

Retrospectives: St David's Cathedral, PEM; Llanelly, BRE Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. St David's Cathedral in the tiny city of St David in the county of Pembrokeshire (five pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998. 2. The parish and village of Llanelly in the county of Breconshire (eleven pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 1998. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Dear Jennifer, Estate owners liked to employ gamekeepers who had no connection with their estates. This was because they were afraid a local born gamekeeper would not be willing to deal with poachers etc who they had known for a long time. I was investigating the family history of Thomas Williams Jones, a gamekeeper who was born in Llanrrwst, Denbighshire and ended up on an estate of the Duke of .Northumberland. In the Family Tree Magazine of April 2000 page 4 was an article by Wyn Chalker whose family had lived in Norththumberland for generations. An uncle of one of her ancestors became a gamekeeper on the Llanrwst Estate of Sir Watkin Williams Wynn in same period as Thomas Williams Jones moved to Northumberland. The Duke of Northumberland and Sir Watkin William Wyn were brothers-in-law! Shirley Martin

Jen, It wasn't only a case of the servants travelling with their employers. If he was a gamekeeper, then his employers would invite others to shoot on their land. The visitors would soon get an idea of a gamekeeper's abilities, and when a vacancy occurred. could 'headhunt' those they coveted. There were also adverts in the appropriate magazines - probably bought by the employer, but likely to be seen by the gamekeeper. Dai Jennifer Cairns wrote: > <snip? > How did news spread amongst the groom/game keepers of the day? I can quite see if a man starts work in a London household then he is likely to be offered something out in the wilds of Wales, but the Saunders family appeared not to have any connections with the crachach in London. > > > I know that some gamekeepers on the Derry Ormond Estate moved, but only to the other side of town to Falcondale so a need for gamekeepers had only to travel into the nearest pub and the word would spread in the locality - unless via the estate owners themselves. > > Was this swooping from one side of the country to another commonplace, and how did people find out what jobs were going? > > Any ideas gratefully received. > > Jen > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi John, Thanks for the photo and information about Seion Chapel. Not only did I find it very interesting, it supplied me with a link to the Myddfai website, which I didn't know existed. Since Myddfai is one of my ancestral parishes, I'll peruse this website thoroughly. Who knows what surprises may turn up? Yours, Venita Homepage: Family History and Other Fascinations http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/home.html My Views of Wales http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Travels/Travels.html Just Picture It - Wales (Links to other photo sites) http://homepage.mac.com/venitar/Photolinks/photolinks.html On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:03 AM, John Ball wrote: > Photos of: Seion Independent Chapel, Myddfai, CMN > > > Dear Listers, > > The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels > Collection' > is: > > Capel Seion (Zion), Welsh Independent Chapel at Myddfai in > Carmarthenshire > (photography by John Ball) > > Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index > for the > relevant Myddfai link. > > Kind regards, > > > John > -------------------- > John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK > E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com > John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ > Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ > Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ > > GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ > Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message