Hi Alf, Do you know his wife's name and where she was born? Was she alive in 1891? Could she have been alive in 1901? Rachel Boyd CT, USA ________________________________ From: alf&Joan <bushnell2@bigpond.com> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:24:59 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Jenkins Hi ,       Can SKS find Hugh JENKINS  born Llambadam Fwr .in 1901 census     He is a 65 yo widower in London in 1911..     He was in London in 1871,1881&1891 .       Alf Bushnell Westrern Australia ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear all, Picking up on the note from Arthur Turner-Thomas about the Awbrey's, my forebears in part are the Lewis' of Pant Howell, Pentwyn and Pencrug in the parish of Llanddeusant. In a number of references (incl Mjr Francis Jones) I have found the family is stated to be entitled to bear the arms of Owain Gethin of Glyntawe through the marriage of Owain's daughter to an Aubrey, part of whose family eventually became the Lewis Aubrey's and ultimately the Lewis'. Owain Gethin was a 7th generation descendant of the last native Prince of Brycheiniog, Bleddyn ap Maenyrch, who was killed fighting the Norman army of Bernard de Neufmarche at the battle of Caerbannog, near Brecon, in Easter week 1093. Through his paternal grandmother, Bleddyn ap Maenyrch's line can be traced back to the kings of Gwynedd (North Wales), and by marriage his descent can be traced in Bartrum back to Coel Godebog, a tribal patriarch of Rheged ( now southern Scotland) about AD 370." Whilst delighted if someone else would do all the hard work, I would be equally delighted if SKS could spell out how I go about proving that these statements about a connection to Owain Gethin are true. Regards Roger M Evans

Many thanks Tommy and all :0) That's how we learn isn't it, by asking stupid questions Ha, Ha. Kind Regards, Carol > From: dyfed@tommye.plus.com > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; Dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [Dyfed] NLW Wills > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:06:31 +0100 > > Carol > It is at: > http://www.llgc.org.uk/ > > Best of luck > > Tommy > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carol Lloyd > Sent: 06 October 2009 17:10 > To: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk; joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] NLW Wills > > > Hi, > Forgive my stupidity but what is the NLW site please? > Carol > > > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > > To: joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:06:05 +0100 > the message > > _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hi Carol The National Library of Wales at Aberystwyth. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol Lloyd To: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk ; joy.cozens@btinternet.com ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:09 PM Subject: RE: [Dyfed] NLW Wills Hi, Forgive my stupidity but what is the NLW site please? Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:06:05 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] NLW Wills > > Dear Joy > > As far as I am aware you can not download the Wills from the NLW site. You > can check they are there and read them free online. However, if you wish a > copy of one then you have to click the Request button and order and pay for > the copy. > I am happy simply enlarging the images of the pages online, reading the > wills and then writing them up myself from there. > However, I was at the NLW last week and they did me some actual copies on A3 > for someone and they cost me £3.50 each, regardless of how many pages there > were in the document. How much they are to order online, I do not know. > > I hope that explains you query. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy" <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: NLW Wills > > > > Dear Sylvia > > > > I have tried to download some NLW wills but failed to do so. IOne lister > > said that you had to have the full Adobe not just Adobe REader. Could > > this be the reason for my failure? If not, could you give details on how > > you managed to download please? > > > > Regards > > Joy > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ New! Receive and respond to mail from other email accounts from within Hotmail Find out how.

Hi, Forgive my stupidity but what is the NLW site please? Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:06:05 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] NLW Wills > > Dear Joy > > As far as I am aware you can not download the Wills from the NLW site. You > can check they are there and read them free online. However, if you wish a > copy of one then you have to click the Request button and order and pay for > the copy. > I am happy simply enlarging the images of the pages online, reading the > wills and then writing them up myself from there. > However, I was at the NLW last week and they did me some actual copies on A3 > for someone and they cost me £3.50 each, regardless of how many pages there > were in the document. How much they are to order online, I do not know. > > I hope that explains you query. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy" <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: NLW Wills > > > > Dear Sylvia > > > > I have tried to download some NLW wills but failed to do so. IOne lister > > said that you had to have the full Adobe not just Adobe REader. Could > > this be the reason for my failure? If not, could you give details on how > > you managed to download please? > > > > Regards > > Joy > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Carol It is at: http://www.llgc.org.uk/ Best of luck Tommy -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Lloyd Sent: 06 October 2009 17:10 To: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk; joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] NLW Wills Hi, Forgive my stupidity but what is the NLW site please? Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: joy.cozens@btinternet.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:06:05 +0100 the message

Dear Joy As far as I am aware you can not download the Wills from the NLW site. You can check they are there and read them free online. However, if you wish a copy of one then you have to click the Request button and order and pay for the copy. I am happy simply enlarging the images of the pages online, reading the wills and then writing them up myself from there. However, I was at the NLW last week and they did me some actual copies on A3 for someone and they cost me £3.50 each, regardless of how many pages there were in the document. How much they are to order online, I do not know. I hope that explains you query. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy" <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com>; <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: NLW Wills > Dear Sylvia > > I have tried to download some NLW wills but failed to do so. IOne lister > said that you had to have the full Adobe not just Adobe REader. Could > this be the reason for my failure? If not, could you give details on how > you managed to download please? > > Regards > Joy >

Hello List I have received a request for a considered report on a submitted lineage of the Awbrey family of Brecon. Would someone have access to Bartrums Genealogies 1400-1500, in reference to the Awbrey entries? If so would you kindly scan and send the six relevant pages, to enable perusal of more recent genealogical work for cross referencing, to the below email address? Regards Arthur E Turner-Thomas Genealogist to HRH the Countess of Wessex arthur.turnerthomas@live.com _________________________________________________________________ Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Dear Joy   I was having the same problem, but worked out (eventually!) where I was going wrong... perhaps your problem is the same.   Choose Say   Diocese                   Tyddewi Name                        Davies Parish                       Llangybi Click Search   Up comes array of choices, find a hopeful one...  in this instance if you have used the example above the first name that appears is   Davies, David, Penybanc, Llangybi, Cardigan, Farmer will, 1838.   which as good example as any...   Below this  information (where I found a problem) appears  IMAGE 1 through IMAGE 6   Click on IMAGE 1 then appears a similar list  IMAGE 1, IMAGE 2 etc through to IMAGE 6 [if you click on any of this lot NOTHING happens]   BUT, scroll down, and then you will see the image of the page.    You can enlarge, and using the little icon on the right with a drawn red box, you can move the red box around to view the area you want to read.    LLGC seems to like leaving a load of space before the information which has baffled me several times in the catalogue search.  I'm sure they have a good reason, what it is will remain a mystery to me !   Hope that helps.   Jen                   --- On Tue, 6/10/09, Joy <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> wrote: From: Joy <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> Subject: [Dyfed] NLW Wills To: dyfed@rootsweb.com, sylvia@cenquest.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 6 October, 2009, 9:22 AM Dear Sylvia I have tried to download some NLW wills but failed to do so.  IOne lister said that you had to have the full Adobe not just Adobe REader.  Could this be the reason for my failure?  If not, could you give details on how you managed to download please? Regards Joy ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sylvia I have tried to download some NLW wills but failed to do so. IOne lister said that you had to have the full Adobe not just Adobe REader. Could this be the reason for my failure? If not, could you give details on how you managed to download please? Regards Joy

Sylvia, my apologies, having already used this wills website on a number of occasions, how did I overlook the idea ~ must be old age, or my mind was taken up with preparing "Stories behind the Headstones" talk. Harry, The copy I could obtain is only the extract, not the original. The extract contains all the most important information without all the thee's and thou's and who gets the cow, the pig, the brass cooking pot or his best coat etc. >From my own database of all names in all wills proven in/or shown as the parish of Pembroke at the E.C.C. of St David's, which includes both St Mary and St Michael for the period of 1600 to 1700 I note that the surname Cornick (perhaps a corruption of Cornock) is shown in the will of Lewis Cornick of Pembroke St Mary reference nbr 1618/098. This will is NOT shown in the NLoW produced Blue Book of St David’s Wills so I shall send you off list an extract for your interest. This is also not the 1st time that I have noted a will missing from the NLoW index, although it could come up under a name search on the website recommended. For future reference from my database of the baptism register 1748 to 1812 of Pembroke St Mary I note the following ; 23 June 1767 Margaret to Cornelius Cornock baptized. Looking at my database of the “Registers for the 3 Parishes” (St Mary, St Michael & Monkton St Nicholas) 1711 to 1744 I note there are no references to the surname Cornock. I trust the above is of assistance Rgds Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Internet Security tips and offers from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security _______________________________________________________________________

Dear Owen and Harry You can now see Wills free online from the NLW up to 1858. Go to http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en Complete the boxes with the details of the person you are looking for and it will appear. Do not click on request, click on the Images. You may have to do a download first if you cant see it, but its is safe and only takes a minute. I have just looked at the John Cornocke will. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Ref - Cornock family > Harry > You could try the 1687 will of John Cornocke of Puncheston Pembs reference > 1687/103 proven at the E.C.C. of St David's. A copy of the original is > obtainable from the NLoW or I can obtain you a copy of the extract. > The other Cornock wills are dated post 1750 and therefore probable of even > less interest than the above. >>From my database of Burgess of Pembroke Borough 1678 to 2006 I note a >>David > Cornock was listed as a Burgess 14th January 1760. > Rgds > Owen Vaughan > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > > > > > > Internet Security tips and offers from Tiscali - > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Harry You could try the 1687 will of John Cornocke of Puncheston Pembs reference 1687/103 proven at the E.C.C. of St David's. A copy of the original is obtainable from the NLoW or I can obtain you a copy of the extract. The other Cornock wills are dated post 1750 and therefore probable of even less interest than the above. >From my database of Burgess of Pembroke Borough 1678 to 2006 I note a David Cornock was listed as a Burgess 14th January 1760. Rgds Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Internet Security tips and offers from Tiscali - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security _______________________________________________________________________

Mullock Bridge is on the way to Dale so that may be it. A historic site in Pembrokeshire history. I have sent this to Myrna Vera

Myrna I wonder if it's around Mullock near Marloes? There is a Slatemill Bridge nearby http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=180890&y=208250&z=0&sv=180890,208250&st=4&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "myrna crapo" <myrna@thecrapos.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Mullock Mill >I am hoping to go to Wales next year and would like to be able to find >where > my Tobias Codd family lived. > > > > Can anyone tell me where Mullock Mill is located. I can't find it on any > map. > > > > Thank you > > Myrna

Thanks SYLVIA! I'll have to give it a try. I appreciate it!!!! Harry Oct 5, 2009 08:49:02 AM, [1]sylvia@cenquest.co.uk wrote: Dear Owen and Harry You can now see Wills free online from the NLW up to 1858. Go to [2]http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en Complete the boxes with the details of the person you are looking for and it will appear. Do not click on request, click on the Images. You may have to do a download first if you cant see it, but its is safe and only takes a minute. I have just looked at the John Cornocke will. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at [3]www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: <[4]surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> To: <[5]dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 6:25 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Ref - Cornock family > Harry > You could try the 1687 will of John Cornocke of Puncheston Pembs reference > 1687/103 proven at the E.C.C. of St David's. A copy of the original is > obtainable from the NLoW or I can obtain you a copy of the extract. > The other Cornock wills are dated post 1750 and therefore probable of even > less interest than the above. >>From my database of Burgess of Pembroke Borough 1678 to 2006 I note a >>David > Cornock was listed as a Burgess 14th January 1760. > Rgds > Owen Vaughan > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > > > > > > Internet Security tips and offers from Tiscali - > [6]http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > ================================ > Dyfed list [7]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [8]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ================================ Dyfed list [9]http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [10]DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:sylvia@cenquest.co.uk 2. http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en 3. http://www.cenquest.co.uk/ 4. mailto:surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk 5. mailto:dyfed@rootsweb.com 6. http://www.tiscali.co.uk/security 7. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 8. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com 9. http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html 10. mailto:DYFED-request@rootsweb.com

I am hoping to go to Wales next year and would like to be able to find where my Tobias Codd family lived. Can anyone tell me where Mullock Mill is located. I can't find it on any map. Thank you Myrna

I see information that birth and baptisms (1667-1823) for Rhydwilym Baptist Chapel are at the NLW Ms127 and that some data is at the Dyfed FHS. Is there a way I could get a look up at either of these places? I have gone to the NLW website and I got totally confused :( I am looking for information on the David Cornock family who immigrated to the US in 1726 and the only data I have linking him to Wales is that he and his wife Catherine joined Montgomery Baptist Church in Pennsylvania in 1726 and the register there stated they were from Rhydwilym, South Wales. Any suggestions would be great appreciated. Harry Rudd Bowie, Md

Hi List, Can anyone help with the birth place of David Davies on the 1861 census. Ancestry has Carsddu, Cardiganshire. the index is RG9; Piece: 4058; Folio: 94; Page: 14 Thanks David

WOW!!!! Thank you Yvonne, I have not been able to find them myself on the 1871 census. Maybe I need new glasses ha, ha. Was just going to try again when your email below came in :0) As you have found them in 1881 maybe they were in Wales in 1861 early 1871. Thank you so much, this has made a great difference to me. My brickwall has definately come down now:0) Kindest Regards, Carol Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:14:17 +0100 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for LLOYD birth From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk CC: johntyner2001@yahoo.com; dyfed@rootsweb.com Carole I can't find John in 1871 but here they are in 1881. Note John is born in Middlesex. LLOYD, Mary Wife Head Married F 41 1840 Farmers Wife Dinas Pembrokeshire Wales LLOYD, Ebenezer J Son Single M 17 1864 Farmers Son Prendergast Pembrokeshire Wales LLOYD, Elizabeth P Daughter Single F 14 1867 Farmers Daur Prendergast Pembrokeshire Wales LLOYD, Mary E Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar London Middlesex LLOYD, John B Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar London Middlesex LLOYD, Margaret J Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar Prendergast Pembrokeshire Wales LLOYD, James C Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar Prendergast Pembrokeshire Wales RG number: RG11 Piece: 5419 Folio: 88 Page: 1 Yvonne On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> wrote: Carole On FreeBMD there is a birth for John Baten J Lloyd in the Mar Quarter of 1871 in Marylebone 1a 607 It's the only one so must be yours so they must have been in London at some point. Yvonne On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hi Yvonne, Thank you, this certainly looks like my man :0) The names are correct, if in a different order to what I have. Also, the area is correct too, being Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire :0) Thank you also for the 1911 info, which due to the names, I know is correct. I have thanked John via his email address, but will thank him again to the list. Thank you John for your swift help, much appreciated. You are all amazing. Kindest Regards, Carol LLOYD. Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:23:47 +0100 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Looking for LLOYD birth From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com To: johntyner2001@yahoo.com CC: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com Carole If Laura didn't marry until 1903 could this be Arthur's birth. Dec quarter 1893 John Arthur Leslie Haverfordwest 11a 1104 Yvonne On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> wrote: 1901 Wales Census about Mary Lloyd Name:Mary Lloyd Age in 1901:60 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1841 Relation:Head Gender:Female Where born:Dinas, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish:Prendergast Ecclesiastical parish:Prendergast Town:Haverfordwest County/Island:Pembrokeshire Country:Wales Street Address:View image Condition as to marriage:View image Education:View image Employment status:View image Occupation:View image Registration district:Haverfordwest Sub-registration district:Haverfordwest ED, institution, or vessel:15 Neighbors:View others on page Household schedule number:94 Household Members:Name Age Mary Lloyd 60 John B Lloyd 30 Mary J Lloyd 9 William Evans 40 View original image i think this is arthur's father and sister. it seems that john baten j lloyd didnt marry laura until 1903 in havorfordwest john ----- Original Message ---- From: Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 3 October, 2009 22:00:45 Subject: [Dyfed] Looking for LLOYD birth Dear Listers, Can anyone help me please? I am looking for the birth of an Arthur Leslie John LLOYD and any possible siblings and other family if possible. He was thought to have been born in Pembroke, Dyfed, c 1894. Son of John Baten James LLOYD & Laura Eleanor LLOYD nee JOHN. I would be grateful for information, Kind Regards, Carol LLOYD. close _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/