Hi Moni Pont Baldwyn. Try googling it with that spelling and you will see its location. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Where is Pontybaldan Nevern PEM > Hi Everyone > > I'm new to this list, and currently researching Mary Davies nee Thomas > born c 1810 in Nevern, widow of Jacob Davies, From 1881-1903 she lived > in a place variously spelt as Pontybaldan, Pont-y-Baldwin, > Pont-y-baldwin in Nevern, north Pembrokeshire. Does anyone know > whereabouts in Nevern this was, and what the most common/correct > spelling is? > > I hope someone can help. Thank you very much. > > With best wishes > > Moni > Researching: > Davies family of Meline, Nevern, Bayvil PEM > Mainwaring family of Llannon CMN, Swansea GLAM > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

> > > Is there an " English " way of pronouncing the name of the farm above? The nearest I can suggest is pen Knook (to rhyme with look) Myra Heywood, Goodwick > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, I am in awe of your knowledge and expertise :0) But, I now have another question please? Is there an " English " way of pronouncing the name of the farm above? Sorry for being as thick as two short planks :0) Kind Regards, Carol Lloyd _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hi Everyone I'm new to this list, and currently researching Mary Davies nee Thomas born c 1810 in Nevern, widow of Jacob Davies, From 1881-1903 she lived in a place variously spelt as Pontybaldan, Pont-y-Baldwin, Pont-y-baldwin in Nevern, north Pembrokeshire. Does anyone know whereabouts in Nevern this was, and what the most common/correct spelling is? I hope someone can help. Thank you very much. With best wishes Moni Researching: Davies family of Meline, Nevern, Bayvil PEM Mainwaring family of Llannon CMN, Swansea GLAM

Vivienne, I am totally " gobsmacked " WOW!!! Thank you very much for this fantastic information. How cool is that :0) Kindest Regards, Carol Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:39:34 +0000 From: info@vivienboyes.co.uk Subject: James LLoyd and James family of Pencnwc, Dinas To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com Carol, There certainly was a James family living in Pencnwc Farm, Dinas at this time. If they do turn out to be connected to your Mary James, then you may be interested in following this link which gives details of one of the family, Sgt William Batine James who fought at Little Bighorne.:- http://lbha.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=intro&thread=2284&page=12 (you'll need to scroll down the page a bit to find the relevant item) Regards Vivien _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Carol, There certainly was a James family living in Pencnwc Farm, Dinas at this time. If they do turn out to be connected to your Mary James, then you may be interested in following this link which gives details of one of the family, Sgt William Batine James who fought at Little Bighorne.:- http://lbha.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=intro&thread=2284&page=12 (you'll need to scroll down the page a bit to find the relevant item) Regards Vivien 

Reading the name Furlong reminded me that some time ago I thought that the child named Eliza Fernall in the 1841 Census , living with John and Alice Phillips in the Parish of Castlemartin should have been written as Eliza Furlong. Without searching through my notes I cannot recall why I made that connection , But Alice Phillips' maiden name was Duggan and there was definitely a connection to the name Furlong. I was never able to find the birth of an Eliza Fernall . If anyone can solve the Fernall / Furlong puzzle please let me know, or if you think I am wrong. Regards, Joan

Hi Roy I was very interested in your mention of the marriage of Bridget James to George Furlong at Llawhaden as George was the brother of Charlotte Furlong, my 4 x gt grandmother. I have a large amount of information on the Furlong family back to John Furlong who died in 1754. I only know that Bridget's parents were Thomas James and Frances (possibly Gibby) but I have not made a study of that family. Are you descended from the Furlong or James line? I wonder if you have any information that we could share? The question of marriage bonds was posed on a mailing list and the response was as follows: One of the greatest obsessions of the medieval church was to prevent marriages between people who were too closely related, or under age, or already married. One way that the church devised to regulate weddings was to force the couple to have a public announcement made of their intention to marry, on three sucessive Sundays, in both their home parish churches. It was hoped that this calling of banns, as it was known, would result in anyone who knew that the weddding should not happen would come forward and say so. This wasn't to everone's taste; the well-off did not like having to announce their plans to the hoi-polloi, and, in any case, some couples might not want to wait three weeks before tying the knot. So, from the Middle Ages onwards an alternataive system arose - seeking a licence from an ecclesiastical authority. To do so, the groom would make an allegation that there would be a marriage bond, whereby, instead of public scrutiny, the groom and a bondsman (who would often be a relative of the bride or groom) would simply give their word that all was above board. They would agree to pay a substantial fine, which they could ill afford, if they wre found to be lying The marriage bond was dated 17 Feb 1821, the marriage took place on 20 Feb 1821 and their first child, Thomas James Furlong, was baptised on 20 March 1821 ( the father's name being incorrectly given as John). This child was buried at Llawhaden on 13 June 1821 aged just three months. It would seem that speed was the necessity for the bond. Shotgun wedding as perhaps her family did not want her to bear another of his illegitimate children - he had already had an illegitimate daughter, Sarah, by Sarah Hitchings who was baptised at Narberth Parish Church on 6 April 1819. Kind regards Joy

How do, all I have been looking for an antecedant of mine called Abraham (sometimes Abram) Thomas (born 1847) in the 1871 census as this was the one year I could not find and it was bugging me. Nothing remotely possible in the Ancestry search results, and having checked on Find My Past that he is actually there, I returned to Ancestry to find out why. They have misread Abram Thomas age 24 as Abina Moreen age 36. Ye gods and little fishes! Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dear Roy They may be useful for you sometime so here they are. October 8th 1745 Walter Duggan, gent, and Catherine FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of St Michael, Pembroke. At St Michael, Pembroke. B. by said Walter Duggan and Thomas Furlong of the parish of St Michael, Pembroke. F. issued by Da. Havard. October 11th 1755 David Lewis, gent and Elizabeth FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of Llandewy Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said David Lewis; witness: N.Morgan, N.P. F.issued by Tho.Eynon, Sur. June 22nd 1771 William FURLONG of the parish of Carey, Pembs (Carew?) gent., and Elisabeth Lewis of the parish of Mydrim, Carms., spinster. F. issued by John Rogers, Sur. September 15th 1784 John FURLONG, gent and Margaret Thomas, spinster, both of the parish of Lampeter Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said John Furlong and Thomas Philipps of the parish of Llanginning, Carms, gent; witness: Dan Williams. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < > km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have >> seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is >> under >> age and exactly who gave their consent. >> The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting >> married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and >> the >> names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the >> marriage >> didn't take place. >> On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews >> and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. >> They >> can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and >> continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance >> than >> anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in >> order. >> Katherine >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Roy I have the volumes and the Marriage Bonds and Fiats only go up to 1800. I did look when your message came through initially but as you needed 1821, I couldn't help. There are four Furlongs mentioned though in Pembrokeshire in the 1700's would you like the information on them? Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < > km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have >> seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is >> under >> age and exactly who gave their consent. >> The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting >> married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and >> the >> names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the >> marriage >> didn't take place. >> On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews >> and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. >> They >> can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and >> continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance >> than >> anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in >> order. >> Katherine >> > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Roy, At least one of the volumes of these records is available to read online at: http://www.archive.org/details/westwaleshistori09hist Rina http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: "Katherine Hocking" <km.hocking@btopenworld.com> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Marriage licences and bonds > Hi Katherine, > > Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West > Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 > volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest > > http://www.parishchest.com/ > > Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. > > Regards, > > Roy

Hi Katherine, Thanks for your response and in particular for informing me about the West Wales Historical Records. After a bit of googling I found that all 14 volumes are available on one CD from Parish Chest http://www.parishchest.com/ Presumably some other supplies will also sell the CD. Regards, Roy On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Katherine Hocking < km.hocking@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Hi, I would assume that both sets of parents gave consent because I have > seen entries which specify which of the partners in the marriage, is under > age and exactly who gave their consent. > The marriage bonds which I have only give the name of the persons getting > married, the parish where they live and where they intend to marry and the > names of the people who would be liable for paying the bond if the marriage > didn't take place. > On the rootsweb site there are a number of West Wales Historical Reviews > and Francis Green who edited the journals has copied most of the bonds. They > can be difficult to find because he didn't do all in one journal and > continued in subsequent volumes. I have found the bonds more by chance than > anything but someone may be able to tell you how to use the volumes in > order. > Katherine >

Hi I hope I am on the right list for this. If not please re-direct me. I sent this to the Monmouthshire list a week ago and haven't heard a dicky bird. So I thought I would try this list. I have the marriage certificate of Margaret Davies married to Augustus Leach in Abergavenny in March 17th, 1868. Her parents are listed as David Davies, carpenter and its signed by Jane Davies, whom I am assuming is her mother and Thomas Ash and his mark?? I am trying to trace Margaret's family. I am not 100% certain that I have the right family, but I will give you what I have so far. On the 1851 census, there is David Davies aged 35, carpenter living at 8 George St, Pontypool with his wife Jane, 32 and children Margaret, 5 b Pontypool and William 3, born same. They also have John Davies (unmarried) 20 and David Davies (unm) 18, both apprentices. Rachel George is listed as housemaid Both David and Jane were born in Carmenthshire. Possibly the little Wm died as on the next census there is a gap between Mgt and Ann In 1861 Wales Census, there is a David DAvies 45 b Carmarthen Llanegwod, wife Jane 42 b Carmarthen Llansavel? The address is Albion Terrace, parish Trevthin. town Ponty-y-pool. kids Margaret 15, Ann 9, Mary 8 Jane 4.. David is listed as cabinet maker (no men) assume that means no employees, AND also local preacher, Calvanist Methodist. On the 1841 Wales Census for David davies age 25. The only possible one is Dd DAvies labourer living with a Wm Pugh, carpenter parish of Aberystruth, district of Abergavenny 1871 David 53 cabiner maker, Jane, Annie daug. miliner, Mary dau. dressmaker, Jane schold... and George (unreadable) boarder, Calvanist Preacher still in Pontypool Now assuming I am on the right track...please if not, could somebody let me know. Is there any way to find out for certain is these are my Margaret's parent? I would like to know their marriage dates, dates of birth..the usual really. Thanks for reading this far. Vicki in NZ keewey@clear.net.nz

Hi Pat, Yvonne & Sylvia, What a great list this is. Thank you all very much for all of your help. It all makes sense to me now, I have printed off the census and added the place names. So, I now have a record:0) Much appreciated Regards, Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; yvonne@artdes.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:05:38 +0100 > > Dear Carol > > The 1851 image Pat sent you reads - > > Living at Shoals Hook Road, Prendergast > > James Lloyd born Castlebythe, Pembs. > Elizabeth Anne born Bridge End, Town and County of Haverfordwest. > The other Lloyds are also born in Haverfordwest, in the Bridge End area. > Elizabeth John I am unsure of Llandissilio possibly. > > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> > Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > > > > Yvonne, > > Pat has very kindly sent me the 1851 census > > which is in Prendergast, correct area but again, I can't make out > > the addresses:0( > > The names of the family and occ's are very clear to read > > but....... > > It has: > > James LLOYD -H - M - 70 - Surgeon - Pembroke C???????? > > Eliz'th Ann LLOYD - W - M - 66 - Surgeons Wife - ?????????? > > Eliz'th P. LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 33- Surgeons Dau - Pembroke ?????? > > James LLOYD - Son - Unm -30 - Cabinet Maker - Do - Do - Do > > Mary LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 24 - Surgeons Dau - Do - Do - Do > > Elizabeth JOHN - Serv - Unm - 25 - House Serv -Pembroke ?????? > > > > Yvonne, I wonder is the JOHN entry one of this family, as you know > > the LLOYD's do have JOHN connections from same area. > > Kind Regards, > > Carol > > > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:25:02 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com > > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > > Carol > > Whilst I think this is the James family I don't think this is the name of > > the farm. > > I think it's a mistranscription and think it might be Pencnwc > > Maybe someone can check the 1851 for you as in 1841 they are certainly at > > an address with a similar name. > > Yvonne > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Carol > > On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. > > Could this be the address that Mary gives? > > Yvonne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Pat, > > How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) > > Thank you very much for your trouble & help. > > > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 > >> To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > >> From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > > > > > >> > >> Hello Carol > >> > >> I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) > >> > >> James LLoyd 57 Surgeon > >> Elizabeth " 50 > >> Thomas " 25 Currier > > > >> > >> All born in county > >> In 1851 he is in Prendergast. > >> > >> I'm sending you the 1851 census offist > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> > >> In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > > > >> <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes > >> > > >> >Dear List, > >> >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and > >> >help over > > > >> >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > >> > > >> >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the > >> >Parish > >> >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. > > > >> >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: > >> >Prendergast, > >> >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. > >> >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John > >> >JAMES occ: > > > >> >Farmer. > >> > > >> >I now have a request from the list please > >> >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could > >> >be? > >> > > >> >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( > >> >Surgeon ) > > > >> >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? > >> >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) > >> >Kind Regards, > >> >Carol LLOYD > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >> >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > >> >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > >> > > > > >> >================================ > >> >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > > > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > >> >body of > > > >> >the message > >> > >> -- > >> pat > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Dear Carol The 1851 image Pat sent you reads - Living at Shoals Hook Road, Prendergast James Lloyd born Castlebythe, Pembs. Elizabeth Anne born Bridge End, Town and County of Haverfordwest. The other Lloyds are also born in Haverfordwest, in the Bridge End area. Elizabeth John I am unsure of Llandissilio possibly. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > Yvonne, > Pat has very kindly sent me the 1851 census > which is in Prendergast, correct area but again, I can't make out > the addresses:0( > The names of the family and occ's are very clear to read > but....... > It has: > James LLOYD -H - M - 70 - Surgeon - Pembroke C???????? > Eliz'th Ann LLOYD - W - M - 66 - Surgeons Wife - ?????????? > Eliz'th P. LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 33- Surgeons Dau - Pembroke ?????? > James LLOYD - Son - Unm -30 - Cabinet Maker - Do - Do - Do > Mary LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 24 - Surgeons Dau - Do - Do - Do > Elizabeth JOHN - Serv - Unm - 25 - House Serv -Pembroke ?????? > > Yvonne, I wonder is the JOHN entry one of this family, as you know > the LLOYD's do have JOHN connections from same area. > Kind Regards, > Carol > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:25:02 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Carol > Whilst I think this is the James family I don't think this is the name of > the farm. > I think it's a mistranscription and think it might be Pencnwc > Maybe someone can check the 1851 for you as in 1841 they are certainly at > an address with a similar name. > Yvonne > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Carol > On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. > Could this be the address that Mary gives? > Yvonne > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Hello Pat, > How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) > Thank you very much for your trouble & help. > > Regards, > Carol > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 >> To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > >> From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > >> >> Hello Carol >> >> I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) >> >> James LLoyd 57 Surgeon >> Elizabeth " 50 >> Thomas " 25 Currier > >> >> All born in county >> In 1851 he is in Prendergast. >> >> I'm sending you the 1851 census offist >> >> Pat >> >> >> In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > >> <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes >> > >> >Dear List, >> >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and >> >help over > >> >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) >> > >> >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the >> >Parish >> >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. > >> >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: >> >Prendergast, >> >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. >> >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John >> >JAMES occ: > >> >Farmer. >> > >> >I now have a request from the list please >> >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could >> >be? >> > >> >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( >> >Surgeon ) > >> >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? >> >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) >> >Kind Regards, >> >Carol LLOYD >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. >> >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ >> > > >> >================================ >> >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> >body of > >> >the message >> >> -- >> pat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sylvia, Thank you, I am leaning more towards Pat's spelling of Pencnwc, which you too have sent, as it looks more like this than any other name now, I keep enlarging, reducing and using a magnifying glass. Thank you for checking for me, Regards, Carol > From: sylvia@cenquest.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:41:22 +0100 > > Hi Carol > > According to B G Charles in the 'Place Names of Pembrokeshire'. Pencnwc in > Dinas, Penycnwc 1827 BTs and other spellings such as Penyknucke, > Penyknock(e), Penknoke and Pen y knoock. So take your pick. The 1841 shows > John James living at Pencnwc. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > To: "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> > Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > > > > Hi again Yvonne, > > It is possible, because I am not used to Welsh place name > > spellings it could be, but I don't see the "tail" on a Y in the name. > > Would you mind if I send you the copy of certificate for you to > > look for me off list? > > Regards > > Carol > > > > > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:09:47 +0100 > > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com > > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > > CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > > Carol > > On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. > > Could this be the address that Mary gives? > > Yvonne > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Pat, > > How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) > > Thank you very much for your trouble & help. > > > > Regards, > > Carol > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 > >> To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > >> From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > > > > > >> > >> Hello Carol > >> > >> I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) > >> > >> James LLoyd 57 Surgeon > >> Elizabeth " 50 > >> Thomas " 25 Currier > > > >> > >> All born in county > >> In 1851 he is in Prendergast. > >> > >> I'm sending you the 1851 census offist > >> > >> Pat > >> > >> > >> In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > > > >> <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes > >> > > >> >Dear List, > >> >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and > >> >help over > >> >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > > > >> > > >> >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the > >> >Parish > >> >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. > >> >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: > >> >Prendergast, > > > >> >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. > >> >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John > >> >JAMES occ: > >> >Farmer. > >> > > >> >I now have a request from the list please > > > >> >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could > >> >be? > >> > > >> >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( > >> >Surgeon ) > >> >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? > > > >> >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) > >> >Kind Regards, > >> >Carol LLOYD > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > > > >> >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > >> > > >> >================================ > >> >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > >> >body of > > > >> >the message > >> > >> -- > >> pat > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Yvonne, Pat has very kindly sent me the 1851 census which is in Prendergast, correct area but again, I can't make out the addresses:0( The names of the family and occ's are very clear to read but....... It has: James LLOYD -H - M - 70 - Surgeon - Pembroke C???????? Eliz'th Ann LLOYD - W - M - 66 - Surgeons Wife - ?????????? Eliz'th P. LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 33- Surgeons Dau - Pembroke ?????? James LLOYD - Son - Unm -30 - Cabinet Maker - Do - Do - Do Mary LLOYD - Dau - Unm - 24 - Surgeons Dau - Do - Do - Do Elizabeth JOHN - Serv - Unm - 25 - House Serv -Pembroke ?????? Yvonne, I wonder is the JOHN entry one of this family, as you know the LLOYD's do have JOHN connections from same area. Kind Regards, Carol Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:25:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com Carol Whilst I think this is the James family I don't think this is the name of the farm. I think it's a mistranscription and think it might be Pencnwc Maybe someone can check the 1851 for you as in 1841 they are certainly at an address with a similar name. Yvonne On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Yvonne Watson <yvonne.watson@gmail.com> wrote: Carol On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. Could this be the address that Mary gives? Yvonne On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hello Pat, How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) Thank you very much for your trouble & help. Regards, Carol > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > Hello Carol > > I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) > > James LLoyd 57 Surgeon > Elizabeth " 50 > Thomas " 25 Currier > > All born in county > In 1851 he is in Prendergast. > > I'm sending you the 1851 census offist > > Pat > > > In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes > > > >Dear List, > >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and help over > >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > > > >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the Parish > >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. > >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: Prendergast, > >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. > >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John JAMES occ: > >Farmer. > > > >I now have a request from the list please > >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could be? > > > >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( Surgeon ) > >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? > >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) > >Kind Regards, > >Carol LLOYD > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > >================================ > >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > >the message > > -- > pat _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hi Carol 1851 shows John James and family living at Pencnwc, Dinas. Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > Hi again Yvonne, > It is possible, because I am not used to Welsh place name > spellings it could be, but I don't see the "tail" on a Y in the name. > Would you mind if I send you the copy of certificate for you to > look for me off list? > Regards > Carol > > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:09:47 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Carol > On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. > Could this be the address that Mary gives? > Yvonne > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Hello Pat, > How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) > Thank you very much for your trouble & help. > > Regards, > Carol > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 >> To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > >> From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > >> >> Hello Carol >> >> I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) >> >> James LLoyd 57 Surgeon >> Elizabeth " 50 >> Thomas " 25 Currier > >> >> All born in county >> In 1851 he is in Prendergast. >> >> I'm sending you the 1851 census offist >> >> Pat >> >> >> In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > >> <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes >> > >> >Dear List, >> >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and >> >help over >> >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > >> > >> >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the >> >Parish >> >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. >> >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: >> >Prendergast, > >> >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. >> >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John >> >JAMES occ: >> >Farmer. >> > >> >I now have a request from the list please > >> >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could >> >be? >> > >> >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( >> >Surgeon ) >> >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? > >> >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) >> >Kind Regards, >> >Carol LLOYD >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > >> >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ >> > >> >================================ >> >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> >body of > >> >the message >> >> -- >> pat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol According to B G Charles in the 'Place Names of Pembrokeshire'. Pencnwc in Dinas, Penycnwc 1827 BTs and other spellings such as Penyknucke, Penyknock(e), Penknoke and Pen y knoock. So take your pick. The 1841 shows John James living at Pencnwc. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > Hi again Yvonne, > It is possible, because I am not used to Welsh place name > spellings it could be, but I don't see the "tail" on a Y in the name. > Would you mind if I send you the copy of certificate for you to > look for me off list? > Regards > Carol > > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:09:47 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > From: yvonne.watson@gmail.com > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > Carol > On 1861 there is a John James farmer living at Penyenue,Dinas. > Could this be the address that Mary gives? > Yvonne > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 2:34 AM, Carol Lloyd <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> > wrote: > > > Hello Pat, > How kind, this is great and very much appreciated:0) > Thank you very much for your trouble & help. > > Regards, > Carol > > >> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 >> To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > >> From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > > >> >> Hello Carol >> >> I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) >> >> James LLoyd 57 Surgeon >> Elizabeth " 50 >> Thomas " 25 Currier > >> >> All born in county >> In 1851 he is in Prendergast. >> >> I'm sending you the 1851 census offist >> >> Pat >> >> >> In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > >> <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes >> > >> >Dear List, >> >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and >> >help over >> >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > >> > >> >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at the >> >Parish >> >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. >> >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: >> >Prendergast, > >> >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. >> >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John >> >JAMES occ: >> >Farmer. >> > >> >I now have a request from the list please > >> >Mary James address, is difficult to read can anyone guess where it could >> >be? >> > >> >Also, would someone be so kind as to look for James LLOYD, Father ( >> >Surgeon ) >> >for me maybe on the 1861 or 1851 census? > >> >I would be very grateful for help to follow this family back:0) >> >Kind Regards, >> >Carol LLOYD >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > >> >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ >> > >> >================================ >> >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >> >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> >body of > >> >the message >> >> -- >> pat > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Access your other email accounts and manage all your email from one place. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >