Dear Karen, It would have helped if great-grandmother had a name, but Houses is shown (plural) which sounds like group housing. Without looking looking too far in the 1881 census , there are a group of families living at Porthiddy, Llanrhian around that time. No. 1 Porthiddy houses the Walters family No. 5 houses Henry Martin aged 33, born Llanrhian his wife Martha, aged 38, born Llanrhian Elizabeth aged 3 Mary Ann aged 2 Hanna aged 2 months That's the only family with a three year old girl. However, immediately after No. 6 is a property named Cyffredyn where there is a Martha Ann Williams aged 3 born Llanrhian living with her widowed mother, Hannah. Porthiddy Fawr and Fach, Llanrhian, was home to a notable family which adopted the name of Harries...then the Lort-Phillips family owned it around the time in question. Do any of these surnames belong to Great-Grandmama. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:28 PM Subject: [Dyfed] PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan > Hi everyone, > > > > I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's birthplace. > She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at > Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, > Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with > Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. > > > > Thanks so much, > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Karen Larson > > Seattle, Washington, USA > > greenfaerie@comcast.net > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List I find a GREAT research site is B&G Forums, you can get lookups in the South Pembroke area . The people on the site are very knowledgeable about the are and will help to find people for you . I have used them a lot in my research into several families that do not want to be found Bob

Hello List Does SKS have access to the 1851 Census for Pembrokeshire. I am seeking Charles Shears (born about 1829 according to the IGI )born to Rebecca Shears. I also would like to know where Rebecca was born Thanking you in Advance Bob

Robert >From my index of Baptism for Pembroke St Michael Register for the period 1839 to 1901 I note the following 08 Oct 1889 Frederick to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a labourer by D.R. Parry Davies((Please note in the register this entry is completely deleted)) 3 entries on we find the following in the register )8 Oct 1889 Frederick Shears to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End Besides the above I note from the same baptism register 07 Jan 1892 Alice to George & Eliza Shears of the East End a labourer bapt by D.R. Payy Davies 01 Aug 1879 Annie to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a labourer by D. R. Parry Davies 09 Dec 1877 Clara Jane to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a Labourer by D.R. Parry Davies 07 Dec 1894 John to George & Elizabeth Shears of the Eastend a labourer by J. J. Andrews 16 Sept 1881 Rebecca to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a labourer by D.E. Williams 07 Sept 1883 William to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a labourer by D.R. Parry Davies I note from the same baptism register 06 Dec 1840 George to Philip and Mary Shears of the East End a labourer by James Dalton. 22 May 1859 George William to Charles & Jane Shears of the East End a Baker by C. Douglas. >From my index of Pembroke St Michael Parish Register for Mrges 1837 to 1908 I note 13 Dec 1851 Charles Shears of full age a bach and Baker of the Eastend the son of James Evans(sic) a Seaman mrd Jane Williams of full age a spinster and servant of the Eastend the dau of Arnold Williams a ploughman by banns in front of W.M.D. Berrington Charles signed his name and Jame made her mark in the presence of John Barrett and George Froyne. (Please note George Froyne was Parish Clerk at this time and quite lightly paid £1.5.0 a quarter as hallkeeper of the town hall) 30 June 1904 William Shears aged 20 a bach and labourer of the Eastend the son of George Shears mrd Margaret Shanklin aged 20 yrs a spinster of the Eastend the dau of William Shanklin a labourer by banns in front of J. Davies. Both signed their names in the presence of William (x) Shanklin and Jane Shanklin 08 Apr 1889 Charles Shears aged 23 a bach and labourer of the Eastend the son of George Shears a labourer married Martha Ellen John aged 22 a spinster of the Eastend the dau of George John a labourer by banns in the presence of T.J.L. Davies. Both signed their names in the presence of Richard Francis Rosina Ann John William George James plus a further witness not shown in my index. It is quite lightly you are vaguely related to my wife via the John family of the Eastend of Pembroke. If I have the right family Martha Ellen was one of 22 children to George John. Please note that is no mrge of a Phillip Shears at Pembroke St Michael or Pembroke St Mary to equate the above single entry of the parent Phillip Shears at Pembroke St Michael. >From my index of the Burial Register of Pembroke St Michael 1871 to 1929 I note Alice Shears of the Eastend buried 23 Dec 1893 aged 2 years and 12 days by F. T. Andrews Charles Shears of the Pembroke Union buried 25 Nov 1899 aged 70 yrs by C. Haywood Phillips. Mr Phillips at this time was in fact the Vicar of Pembroke St Mary, so clearly he was standing in for the current incumbent. >From my index of the Burial Register of Pembroke St Michael 1846 to 1870 I note 18 Sept 1870 Jane Shears of the Eastend aged 46 by R.J.H. Thomas 24 Jan 1858 William Maurice Shears of the Eastend aged 6 months by T. Crickley If the above is yours, it is quite lightly that I have more information of assistance to your research. Rgds Owen Vaughan ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Forget the rest, get the best - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/music

On 14/10/09 02:28, "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's birthplace. > She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at > Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, > Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with > Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. > > Thanks so much, > > Sincerely, > > Karen Larson > > Seattle, Washington, USA > > greenfaerie@comcast.net Hello Karen "The Place Names of Pembrokeshire" [p290] has the following in the section on St David's, Plwyf Dewi [a part of St David's]: The stream now called Dwr Cwmwdig or Cwmwdig Water rises near Cwmwdig, flows through that cwm [valley] passing just south of Porth Eiddy to enter the sea in the bay of Abereiddy (? originally Porth Eiddy), It would appear, then, that the houses were near to the stream [which is actually the parish boundary between St David's and Llanrhian]. I had a look at " Old Maps" [ http://www.old-maps.co.uk] putting Portheiddy, PEMBROKESHIRE in the search box but could not find the name you seek. Gerry Lewis

Hello List A big thank you to all who sent me information on the Shears Family. I will sort it all out to see who goes where. Again a BIG THANK YOU Bob

Hi everyone, I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's birthplace. She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. Thanks so much, Sincerely, Karen Larson Seattle, Washington, USA greenfaerie@comcast.net

Hello Bob The 1891 shows Living at Main Street South Side, St Michaels, Pembroke. George Shears, age 35, occ Plumber, born Pembroke. Eliza Shears, wife, age 36, born Pembroke. Charles, son, age 15, occ General Labourer. Clara, daughter, age 13, Scholar. Annie, daughter, age 11, Scholar. Rebecca, daughter, age 9, Scholar. William, son, age 7, Scholar. George, son, age 4. Fred, son, age 1. All the children were born in Pembroke. Also in the house was Charles Shears, Father, Widowed, age 66, born Pembroke. 1881 Grove, St Michael, Pembroke Charles Shears, Widowed, age 56, occ Housekeeper. Agnes, daughter, age 15, occ, Charwoman. 1871 Living at East End, St Michaels, Pembroke Charles Shears, Widowed, age 45, occ Labourer, born Pembroke. George Shears, son, age 16, occ Labourer. Rebecca, daughter, age 11, scholar. Ann, daughter, age 5, scholar. The children were all born in Pembroke. 1861 East End, Pembroke Charles Shears, age 35, born St Florence Jane Shears, Wife, age 37, born Narberth George, Son, age 7, born St Michaels Rebecca, daughter, age 2, born St Michaels As Charles states in 1861 he was born in St Florence, if you log on to cenquest.co.uk you can see for FREE all the Shears family who lived there in 1841. I can only see one Charles and he is shown as age 10, so it is probably best you take it yourself from here. Remember in 1841 he could have been 14 because all ages were rounded down to the nearest 5 or 0. When you get back further you may find these marriages useful. 28th January 1817. George Shears, Blacksmith to Catherine Griffiths at St Florence. 1st August 1835 Phillip Shears, Blacksmith to Elinor Rowlands at St Florence. I hope the above helps a little Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "robertgascoigne" <robertgascoigne@cox.net> To: "Dyfed Family History" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Frederick Shears > Hello List > > I am seeking a Frederick Shears who married Adelaide Gascoigne in the > Mar 1/4 1919. I believe this is the Frederick who was born Dec 1/4 1889 in > Pembroke, any information on his parents would be welcome. > > Bob > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Carol, Yvonne & Others, Arived home 3 hours ago after 1-1/2 day 1,000 kilometre, car journey...husband updated computer and asked me to read stockpiled messages. I moved some printed Will abstracts to reach a pen and out jumped: James Lloyd, Surgeon, Parish of Prendergast Town & Co. of Haverfordwest, Pemb, Date 24 Jan. 1854. Date of Probate 20 Jan. 1857. Elizabeth Ann Lloyd wife, Properties mentioned..Leasehold house Bridge End, Parish of Prendergast. Mr. Thomas Mathias, tenant, Innkeeper, Bridge End Town, Haverfordwest Ebenzer Lloyd, son (presume it should be Ebenezer) David Paulett Williams, bro. of wife, Surgeon James Lloyd, son Mary Lloyd, dau. Thomas Lewis Lloyd, son Elizabeth Paulett Lloyd, dau. Executor: Elizabeth Ann Lloyd Witnesses: Thomas Owen, James Hughes, David Lloyd, Blacksmith, Village & Par. of Prendergast. Too foggy headed at present to remember why I have this, but what are the odds!!!! With Wills readable on line now and free, Carol, you might even be able to get a little more personal information from the actual Will Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 >>> > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >>> > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com >>> > From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk >>> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 >>> > >>> > Hello Carol >>> > >>> > I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) >>> > >>> > James LLoyd 57 Surgeon >>> > Elizabeth " 50 >>> > Thomas " 25 Currier >>> > >>> > All born in county >>> > In 1851 he is in Prendergast. >>> > >>> > I'm sending you the 1851 census offist >>> > >>> > Pat >>> > >>> > >>> > In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd >>> > <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes >>> > > >>> > >Dear List, >>> > >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and >>> help over >>> > >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) >>> > > >>> > >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at >>> > >the >>> Parish >>> > >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. >>> > >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: >>> Prendergast, >>> > >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. >>> > >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John >>> JAMES occ: >>> > >Farmer.

>From FreeBMD Marriages Sep 1875 GRIFFITHS Elizabeth Swansea 11a 811 SHEARS George Swansea 11a 811

From 1901 Census George Shears 46 Elizabeth Shears 47 William Shears 18 Frederick Shears 11 John Shears 6

Good day all - While searching on-line for some Obrey ancestors, I came across some land lease information on-line. Some of it is in Welsh, and I cannot find the words or phrases in my Welsh dictionary. Could someone help? Here are the phrases: MORTGAGE OF LEASE (for a term of 21 years) of moiety or one half of messuage t'ment and lands formerly called Burches or Burges Tenement, afterwards called Tyddin Burches or Tyddin Burges or Obry but commonly called Tyan Ardd Ynghal Obry, Cae bach dulcen y ty, Y Fron Obry Nesar Lon, Y Fron nesa i Gunmals, y wain nesa i Ginnmals and Y Wain Obrey, pa. Llanbeulan.. CONSENT ADD AUTHORIZATION of assignment of lease for the remainder of a term of 21 years of a moiety of messuage, t'ment and lands formerly called Burches or Burches tenement, afterwards called Ty ar Ardd ynghae Obrey, Cae bach dalcen y ty, Y Fron Obrey nesa'r Lon, Y Fron nesa i Gemmaes, Y Waen nesa i Gemmaes, and Y Wern Obrey, pa. Llanbeulan. LEASE for the remainder of a term of 21 years of moiety or one half of messuage, t'ment and lands, formerly called Burches or Burches Tenement, afterwards called Tydden Burches or Tydden Burges or, but commonly called by the names of Ty ar Ardd Ynghal Obry, cae bach dalcen y ty, Y fron Obry nesar Lon, Y Tron nesar, Gemmaes, Y liain nesa i Gemmaes and Y Waen Obry (rent: 3/4d. p.a., besides 2 good geese at Christmas, 2 good capons at Easter and 1 wether or 51- at the feast of St. Bartholomew. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Lynne in Tucson

Dear Bettye, This has been the best two weeks ever:0) This list is amazing, thank you so much for the Will & Probate information. I just don't know what to say? What unbelievable luck I am having at the moment. Thank you so much, My very kindest regards, Carol PS. It is Ebenezer :0) > From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au > To: yvonne@artdes.co.uk; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:26 +1100 > > Dear Carol, Yvonne & Others, > > Arived home 3 hours ago after 1-1/2 day 1,000 kilometre, car > journey...husband updated computer and asked me to read stockpiled messages. > I moved some printed Will abstracts to reach a pen and out jumped: > > James Lloyd, Surgeon, Parish of Prendergast Town & Co. of Haverfordwest, > Pemb, > Date 24 Jan. 1854. Date of Probate 20 Jan. 1857. > > Elizabeth Ann Lloyd wife, Properties mentioned..Leasehold house Bridge End, > Parish of Prendergast. > Mr. Thomas Mathias, tenant, Innkeeper, Bridge End Town, Haverfordwest > Ebenzer Lloyd, son (presume it should be Ebenezer) > David Paulett Williams, bro. of wife, Surgeon > James Lloyd, son > Mary Lloyd, dau. > Thomas Lewis Lloyd, son > Elizabeth Paulett Lloyd, dau. > > Executor: Elizabeth Ann Lloyd > Witnesses: Thomas Owen, James Hughes, David Lloyd, Blacksmith, Village & > Par. of Prendergast. > > Too foggy headed at present to remember why I have this, but what are the > odds!!!! > > With Wills readable on line now and free, Carol, you might even be able to > get a little more personal information > from the actual Will > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > > >>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 > >>> > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk > >>> > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > >>> > From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk > >>> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > >>> > > >>> > Hello Carol > >>> > > >>> > I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St Dogwells) > >>> > > >>> > James LLoyd 57 Surgeon > >>> > Elizabeth " 50 > >>> > Thomas " 25 Currier > >>> > > >>> > All born in county > >>> > In 1851 he is in Prendergast. > >>> > > >>> > I'm sending you the 1851 census offist > >>> > > >>> > Pat > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol Lloyd > >>> > <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes > >>> > > > >>> > >Dear List, > >>> > >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts and > >>> help over > >>> > >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) > >>> > > > >>> > >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at > >>> > >the > >>> Parish > >>> > >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. > >>> > >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: > >>> Prendergast, > >>> > >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. > >>> > >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: John > >>> JAMES occ: > >>> > >Farmer. > _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Hi Sylvai Just realised that I pressed the wrong button to reply through the list, so thanks again for this information. I've now found Pont Baldwyn. Hooray!! With best wishes Moni 2009/10/12 Sylvia Birch <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk>: > Hi Moni > > Pont Baldwyn.  Try googling it with that spelling and you will see its > location. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > ................................................................. >

Hello List I am seeking a Frederick Shears who married Adelaide Gascoigne in the Mar 1/4 1919. I believe this is the Frederick who was born Dec 1/4 1889 in Pembroke, any information on his parents would be welcome. Bob

hi again bob and list, i have just found the marriage of George shears to Elizabeth Griffiths in sep quarter 1875 in swansea, they are with elizabeth's parents James and Jane griffiths in 1881, with children charles(1876), Clara(1878) and annie(1880) elizabeth is givenn as born in 1852 pembroke and george 1855 pembroke, James griffiths born abt 1808 st michael pembroke and jane abt 1814 same place. john ________________________________ From: robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> To: Dyfed Family History <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009 14:04:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Frederick Shears Hello List   I am seeking a Frederick Shears who married Adelaide Gascoigne in the Mar 1/4 1919. I believe this is the Frederick who was born Dec 1/4 1889 in Pembroke, any information on his parents would be welcome.   Bob ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi bob, if it is the frederick who was born in 1889 pembroke then his parents are George(1855 pembroke) and elizabeth(1854 Pembroke) i cant find a positive match for a marriage for george and elizabeth, the eldest child is william born abt 1883 pembroke. followed by frederick then John abt 1895 pembroke. john in ireland ________________________________ From: robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> To: Dyfed Family History <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 13 October, 2009 14:04:36 Subject: [Dyfed] Frederick Shears Hello List   I am seeking a Frederick Shears who married Adelaide Gascoigne in the Mar 1/4 1919. I believe this is the Frederick who was born Dec 1/4 1889 in Pembroke, any information on his parents would be welcome.   Bob ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Myra Thank you :0) What a lovely name. Regards, Carol > From: myra@heatherkop.fsworld.co.uk > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk; dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pencnwc Farm > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:31:02 +0100 > > > > > > > > > Is there an " English " way of pronouncing the name of the farm above? > > The nearest I can suggest is pen Knook (to rhyme with look) > Myra Heywood, Goodwick > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Thanks Sylvia, They may well be useful if the Bridget James who married George Furlong in 1821 turns out to be a relation. I suppose I will have to contact the National Library of Wales since the bonds for that date are not included in the volumes of the West Wales Historical Records. Thanks again, Roy On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Sylvia Birch <sylvia@cenquest.co.uk> wrote: > Dear Roy > > They may be useful for you sometime so here they are. > > October 8th 1745 > Walter Duggan, gent, and Catherine FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of > St Michael, Pembroke. At St Michael, Pembroke. B. by said Walter Duggan and > Thomas Furlong of the parish of St Michael, Pembroke. F. issued by Da. > Havard. > > October 11th 1755 > David Lewis, gent and Elizabeth FURLONG, spinster, both of the parish of > Llandewy Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said David Lewis; witness: N.Morgan, N.P. > F.issued by Tho.Eynon, Sur. > > June 22nd 1771 > William FURLONG of the parish of Carey, Pembs (Carew?) gent., and Elisabeth > Lewis of the parish of Mydrim, Carms., spinster. F. issued by John Rogers, > Sur. > > September 15th 1784 > John FURLONG, gent and Margaret Thomas, spinster, both of the parish of > Lampeter Velfrey, Pembs. B. by said John Furlong and Thomas Philipps of the > parish of Llanginning, Carms, gent; witness: Dan Williams. > > Best Wishes > Sylvia > ................................................................. > Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, > Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at > www.cenquest.co.uk > > >

Thanks Rina for pointing that out. Roy On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Rina Callingham <emma.callingham@tesco.net>wrote: > Hello Roy, > At least one of the volumes of these records is available to read online > at: > > http://www.archive.org/details/westwaleshistori09hist > > Rina > http://www.a-glamorgan-family.com/index.html > >