Retrospectives: Public Houses in South Wales (various locations); Old Roundhouse, Abercrâf, BRE Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. A selection of Public Houses in various parts of South Wales (nine pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998. 2. An exploration of an old Roundhouse, near Abercrâf in the county of Breconshire (ten pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 2002. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

On 16/10/09 23:34, "Richard Fowler" <dfowler1@onetel.com> wrote: > What/ where is B & G forum pls? Thanks Dick Fowler Put B & G forum into Google and you get: www.british-genealogy.com/forums/ Easy Gerry Lewis

What/ where is B & G forum pls? Thanks Dick Fowler ----- Original Message ----- From: <dyfed-request@rootsweb.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > > > Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan (Gerry Lewis) > 2. THE baptism of George Shears 1889 (surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk) > 3. Charles Shears and Rebecca Shears (robertgascoigne) > 4. Researching in the Pembroke Area (robertgascoigne) > 5. Frederick Shears (Joy) > 6. Re: PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan (Karen Larson) > 7. Re: Charles Shears and Rebecca Shears (pat) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:22:45 +0100 > From: Gerry Lewis <gerry@asterisk.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan > To: Dyfed List <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <C6FB48E5.8B0D%gerry@asterisk.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > On 14/10/09 02:28, "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's >> birthplace. >> She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at >> Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, >> Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with >> Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Karen Larson >> >> Seattle, Washington, USA >> >> greenfaerie@comcast.net > > Hello Karen > > "The Place Names of Pembrokeshire" [p290] has the following in the > section > on St David's, Plwyf Dewi [a part of St David's]: > > The stream now called Dwr Cwmwdig or Cwmwdig Water rises near Cwmwdig, > flows > through that cwm [valley] passing just south of Porth Eiddy to enter the > sea > in the bay of Abereiddy (? originally Porth Eiddy), > > It would appear, then, that the houses were near to the stream [which is > actually the parish boundary between St David's and Llanrhian]. > > I had a look at " Old Maps" [ http://www.old-maps.co.uk] putting > Portheiddy, PEMBROKESHIRE in the search box but could not find the name > you > seek. > > Gerry Lewis > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:32:45 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk" <surname_oriel@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] THE baptism of George Shears 1889 > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <4748470.1255509165996.JavaMail.root@ps38> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Robert >>From my index of Baptism for Pembroke St Michael Register for the period >>1839 > to 1901 I note the following > 08 Oct 1889 Frederick to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a > labourer > by D.R. Parry Davies((Please note in the register this entry is completely > deleted)) > > 3 entries on we find the following in the register > )8 Oct 1889 Frederick Shears to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End > > Besides the above I note from the same baptism register > 07 Jan 1892 Alice to George & Eliza Shears of the East End a labourer bapt > by > D.R. Payy Davies > 01 Aug 1879 Annie to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a labourer > by D. > R. Parry Davies > 09 Dec 1877 Clara Jane to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a > Labourer > by D.R. Parry Davies > 07 Dec 1894 John to George & Elizabeth Shears of the Eastend a labourer > by J. > J. Andrews > 16 Sept 1881 Rebecca to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a > labourer > by D.E. Williams > 07 Sept 1883 William to George & Elizabeth Shears of the East End a > labourer > by D.R. Parry Davies > > I note from the same baptism register > 06 Dec 1840 George to Philip and Mary Shears of the East End a labourer by > James Dalton. > 22 May 1859 George William to Charles & Jane Shears of the East End a > Baker by > C. Douglas. > >>From my index of Pembroke St Michael Parish Register for Mrges 1837 to >>1908 I > note > 13 Dec 1851 Charles Shears of full age a bach and Baker of the Eastend the > son > of James Evans(sic) a Seaman mrd Jane Williams of full age a spinster and > servant of the Eastend the dau of Arnold Williams a ploughman by banns in > front > of W.M.D. Berrington Charles signed his name and Jame made her mark in the > presence of John Barrett and George Froyne. > (Please note George Froyne was Parish Clerk at this time and quite lightly > paid ?1.5.0 a quarter as hallkeeper of the town hall) > 30 June 1904 William Shears aged 20 a bach and labourer of the Eastend the > son > of George Shears mrd Margaret Shanklin aged 20 yrs a spinster of the > Eastend > the dau of William Shanklin a labourer by banns in front of J. Davies. > Both > signed their names in the presence of William (x) Shanklin and Jane > Shanklin > 08 Apr 1889 Charles Shears aged 23 a bach and labourer of the Eastend the > son > of George Shears a labourer married Martha Ellen John aged 22 a spinster > of the > Eastend the dau of George John a labourer by banns in the presence of > T.J.L. > Davies. Both signed their names in the presence of Richard Francis Rosina > Ann > John William George James plus a further witness not shown in my index. > It is quite lightly you are vaguely related to my wife via the John family > of > the Eastend of Pembroke. If I have the right family Martha Ellen was one > of 22 > children to George John. > > Please note that is no mrge of a Phillip Shears at Pembroke St Michael or > Pembroke St Mary to equate the above single entry of the parent Phillip > Shears > at Pembroke St Michael. >>From my index of the Burial Register of Pembroke St Michael 1871 to 1929 I > note > Alice Shears of the Eastend buried 23 Dec 1893 aged 2 years and 12 days by > F. > T. Andrews > Charles Shears of the Pembroke Union buried 25 Nov 1899 aged 70 yrs by C. > Haywood Phillips. Mr Phillips at this time was in fact the Vicar of > Pembroke St > Mary, so clearly he was standing in for the current incumbent. >>From my index of the Burial Register of Pembroke St Michael 1846 to 1870 I > note > 18 Sept 1870 Jane Shears of the Eastend aged 46 by R.J.H. Thomas > 24 Jan 1858 William Maurice Shears of the Eastend aged 6 months by T. > Crickley > > If the above is yours, it is quite lightly that I have more information of > assistance to your research. > Rgds > Owen Vaughan > ORIEL a welsh window on a surname > > > > > Forget the rest, get the best - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/music > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:26:21 -0400 > From: "robertgascoigne" <robertgascoigne@cox.net> > Subject: [Dyfed] Charles Shears and Rebecca Shears > To: "Dyfed Family History" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1BEE62F29A564C13BAB4E7BC6E366E3B@RobertPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello List > > Does SKS have access to the 1851 Census for Pembrokeshire. I am seeking > Charles Shears (born about 1829 according to the IGI )born to Rebecca > Shears. I also would like to know where Rebecca was born > > Thanking you in Advance > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:16:41 -0400 > From: "robertgascoigne" <robertgascoigne@cox.net> > Subject: [Dyfed] Researching in the Pembroke Area > To: "Dyfed Family History" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <380FE1713D8A411C977744252A7C6A3E@RobertPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello List > > I find a GREAT research site is B&G Forums, you can get lookups in the > South Pembroke area . The people on the site are very knowledgeable about > the are and will help to find people for you . I have used them a lot in > my research into several families that do not want to be found > > Bob > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:13:56 +0100 > From: Joy <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Frederick Shears > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4AD614E4.5070306@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Bob > > If Frederick is a sibling of the Charles 5, Clara 3 and Annie 1 in the > 1891 Census then I can take his ancestry back to John Shears of Hall > House, St. Florence (buried in St. Florence churchyard 19 March 1807) > and his wife Elizabeth Llewellyn buried 30 March 1827. This John > Shears left a Will in 1807 - see on > http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en > > Kind regards > Joy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:05:37 -0700 > From: "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan > To: "'Gerry Lewis'" <gerry@asterisk.co.uk>, "'Dyfed List'" > <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <842E249D6CCD4177B8DD6DC6D5B57DB1@Karen> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dear Gerry, > > Thanks so much for the info from the Place Names of Pembrokeshire. I > haven't > been able to locate an old map showing the location either. I did, > however, > have success with a current Ordnance Survey Map. Portheiddy is shown on > map > #157 St. David's and Haverfordwest. It's just west of Llanrhian. > > Cheers, > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Gerry Lewis > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:23 AM > To: Dyfed List > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan > > > > > On 14/10/09 02:28, "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's >> birthplace. >> She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at >> Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, >> Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with >> Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Karen Larson >> >> Seattle, Washington, USA >> >> greenfaerie@comcast.net > > Hello Karen > > "The Place Names of Pembrokeshire" [p290] has the following in the > section > on St David's, Plwyf Dewi [a part of St David's]: > > The stream now called Dwr Cwmwdig or Cwmwdig Water rises near Cwmwdig, > flows > through that cwm [valley] passing just south of Porth Eiddy to enter the > sea > in the bay of Abereiddy (? originally Porth Eiddy), > > It would appear, then, that the houses were near to the stream [which is > actually the parish boundary between St David's and Llanrhian]. > > I had a look at " Old Maps" [ http://www.old-maps.co.uk] putting > Portheiddy, PEMBROKESHIRE in the search box but could not find the name > you > seek. > > Gerry Lewis > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:32:06 +0100 > From: pat <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Charles Shears and Rebecca Shears > To: robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> > Cc: Dyfed Family History <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <GJBemCA29l1KJwSf@pcubed.demon.co.uk> > > Hello Bob > > There is a marriage of a Rebecca Shears to William Richards (widower) on > 5 April 1836 in Pembroke St Michael. > > Could this be your Rebecca? > > In the 1851 census there is this possible for William and Rebecca - but > no Charles at home. > > Lamphey Lane Pembroke St Michael > > William Richards H M 55 Labourer Jeffreston > Rebecca " wife M 50 Steynton > Mary " dau 12 Pem > Benjamin " son 8 PEM > > > In 1841 Pem St Michael > > William Richards 45 Ag Lab > Rebecca " 35 > Mary " 2 > John Hughes (written as Huse) 35 Ag Lab > Lettice " 75 > Alice " 35 Charwoman > > > In the marriage of William and Rebecca Alice Hughes was a witness so > this supports the thinking that this is a Rebecca Shears. > > According to Richard Rose's "Pembroke People" William's first wife was > Sarah Mackan and she was buried at St Michaels on 2 Feb 1831 aged 45. > I can give you more details if you like. > > I think this must be the Rebecca that is the mother o Charles because in > the 1861 census Charles is married and living with his wife and 2 > children next door to Rebecca Richards in Pembroke St Michael. > > All for now > > Pat > > > > > > In message <1BEE62F29A564C13BAB4E7BC6E366E3B@RobertPC>, robertgascoigne > <robertgascoigne@cox.net> writes >>Hello List >> >> Does SKS have access to the 1851 Census for Pembrokeshire. I am seeking >>Charles Shears (born about 1829 according to the IGI )born to Rebecca >>Shears. I >>also would like to know where Rebecca was born >> >> Thanking you in Advance >> >>Bob >> >>================================ >>Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of >>the message > > -- > pat > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 328 > *************************************

Hi Joy, Many thanks for the information about Bridget James and George Furlong, and sorry for the delay in replying. I have ancestors from Narberth and Robeston Wathen, and possibly Llawhaden, with the surname "James" and have been trying to sort out the different James families in that area in order to get further back. Just a couple of days ago I came across a will that mentioned the couple who you said were the parents of Bridget James, Thomas James and Frances. (Bridget is also mentioned). As there is a rather mysterious bond for a large sum of money and a letter of renunciation attached to that will, I am sending this message to the whole list in the hope that somebody can shed light on that mystery, but I am leaving the details of the will to last because the problem of the farmer John James, described below, is integral to it. My 3 x great grandparents were John James, a stone mason born in Narberth Parish in about 1818 and Anne Llewellyn who was born in either Llawhaden or Narberth in about 1819. According to their marriage certificate John's father was also called John James but he was a farmer, not a stone mason. I am virtually certain that John's mother was the Mary James who died in Robeston Wathen on 30 August 1869 because her death certificate stated she was the widow of a farmer called John James and the informant was also called John James and was living in Cotts Lane, Robeston Wathen. Unfortunately death certificates at that time did not state relationships but my 3 x great grandfather, John James the stone mason, had been living in Cotts Lane for many years and was still living there at the time of the 1871 census and later. In the 1861 census Mary James was living in Redstone Cottages (near Sodston House), Narberth Parish with her daughter Bridget Jones who was born in Narberth in about 1820. Mary was described as a pauper. Rather confusingly next door in the household listed just before hers there was another stone mason called John James and his wife but that was not my stone mason! I have not yet been able to discover if he was a relation. At the time of the 1851 census Mary James had been living on her own in Redstone and her occupation was given as "famer's widow." She had also been lving in Redstone in 1841 but with Sarah James, born in about 1821 and George James who was a stone mason born in about 1822. I found George James's marriage certificate, to Sarah Thomas on 23 May 1848 and it confirms that his father was a farmer called John James. Therefore John James the farmer died before the 1841 census and his wife was Mary was born in Newport, Pembrokeshire in about 1778 (according to censuses) and they had at least four children, John (my ancestor), Bridget, Sarah and George, those four being born in Narberth Parish in a short period from about 1818 to 1822. I searched for deaths of men called John James in the parish records for Narberth and Robeston Wathen in the period 1822 (approx.) to 1841 but the only one anywhere near Mary's age was a farmer who died in tragic circumstances in 1833. The Cambrian Newspaper carried the short report below on 16 June. “On Monday last a person of the name John James, in a state of despondency from poverty, suspended himself to a beam in his house, at Narberth, and when discovered life was completely extinct. He had been formerly a respectable farmer, living at Sodston, near Narberth. An inquest was held on the body the next day, and a verdict of Lunacy returned by a respectable Jury.” The coroner's report has not survived but I think it is extremely likely that that John James was Mary's husband. I believe that the farmer John James of Sodston had some connection with the couple you mentioned,Thomas James and Frances, because a few days ago when I started ploughing through wills left by people with the surname "James" at the National Library of Wales website (some strange impulse made me start with Llawhaden instead of Narberth or Robeston Wathen) I came across a will left by one of the children of Thomas and Frances James and in addition there was a mysterious probate bond for a large sum of money and one of the signatories was the farmer called John James living in Sodston. Futhermore there is a strange twist in the story because one of the other men who signed the bond then almost immediately renounced all responsibility for it! I have attempted to transcribe or summarise the important parts but could not read the handwriting in places. (Sorry for all the legal gobbledygook!). Will of George James of Vaynor, Llawhaden made 13 March 1820 Richard James, brother, freehold lease of estate in Faenor granted by George Parry Esq. in 1816, and other goods, provided Richard maintained his father, Thomas James, and mother Frances James whether at Faenor or Parc yr Odin [???]. Bridget James, sister, £200 after any debts and funeral expenses are paid. Rees Thomas, brother-in-law, was appointed executor. George James was described further on in an annex "Carmarthen February 13th 1822" as "late of Begson??? [I did not recognise the placename] in the Parish of Llawhaden. Administration Bond Page 5 of the will says that "we Richard James of Faenor in the Parish of Llawhaden in the County of Pembroke, Farmer, Rees Thomas of Llandre in the Parish of Egremont in County of Carmarthen, farmer, and John James of Sodston in the Parish of Narberth in the County of Pembroke, Farmer, are held and firmly bound unto the Right Reverend Father in God Thomas by divine ... [word that is difficult to read] Bishop of St David's in the sum of Nine Hundred Pounds ... to be paid unto the said Lord Bishop or his certain Attorney his executors or Assigns [???] to which payment well and truly to be made we oblige ourselves and each of us by himself and themselves [??] for the whole our and each and every of our Heirs Executors and Administrators firmly by these Presents sealed with our Seals dated the 13th day of February in the third year of the Reign of our Sovereign Reign Lord George the Fourth by the Grace of God ... [etc. etc.] in the Year of Our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Twenty Two. The Condition of this Obligation is such That if the above bounden Richard James Administrator [... ... ... ??] of all and singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of his late Brother George James deceased do make or cause to be made a true and perfect Inventory of all and singular the Goods Chattels and Credits of the said deceased which have or shall come to the Hands Possession or Knowledge of him the said Richard James or into the Hands and Possession of any Person or Persons for him and the same so made do exhibit or cause to be exhibited into the Registry of the Consistory Court of Carmarthen at or before the last day of August next ensuing and the same Goods Chattels and Credits and all other the Goods Chattels and Credits of the said deceased at the time of his death which at or any time after shall come to the hands or Possession of the said Richard James or into the hands and Possession of any other Person or Persons for him do well and truly administer according to Law And further to make or cause to be made a true and just Accompt [it did state "Accompt" not "account"] of his said Administration at or before the last day of February next and all the Rest and Residue of the said Goods Chattles and Credits which shall be found remaining on the said Administrators Accompt the same being first examined and allowed by the Judge or Judges for the time being of the said Judge or Judges by his or their Decree or Sentence pursuant to the true Intent and Meaning of a later Act of Parliament made in the two and twentieth and three and twentieth Years of the Reign of our late Sovereign Lord King Charles the Second intituled??? [word is difficult to read] an Act for the Better settling of Intestate Estates shall limit and appoint ... [the next 6 lines are crossed out] then this Obligation to be void or else to remain in full Force and Virtue. It was signed by Richard James, Rees Thomas and John James, 13 February 1822 and described as an Administration Bond. Page 7 says simply: Dated 13 February 1822 Rees Thomas Gent to Richard James Farmer, Renunciation. On page 8 Rees Thomas stated in writing his refusal to have anything to do with the administration of George James's estate and handed over all responsibilty to Richard James who was described as "one of the brothers and next of kin of the deceased." That implies that there were other brothers. Could John James of Sodston, the other man who signed the bond, have been related to George James? If so why wasn't he mentioned in the will itself and why didn't the bond mention his relationship to the deceased? (The bond did not mention that Rees Thomas was the deceased's brother-in-law either). The amount of the bond, £900, would have been a very large sum of money in the 1820s, very roughly equivalent to £38,000 today. See the calculator at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency/ or the other calculators in my web page below. Current Value of Old Money http://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html Does anyone know if it was normal for such large bonds to be requested in connection with wills in the early 19th century? Why did Rees Thomas wash his hands of the whole business? Was any account taken of ability to pay in setting the amount of the bond? If so the famer John James of Sodston cannot have had any financial worries in 1822. Why then was he driven to take his own life just 11 years later? Why was the bond preserved? I haven't come across any in connection with any other wills (but I haven't examined a large number). Were probate bonds a pure formality or did people sometimes have to pay them? If so did this bond have to be paid? If anyone could shed light on these mysteries I would be grateful! Regards, Roy On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Joy <joy.cozens@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi Roy > > I was very interested in your mention of the marriage of Bridget James > to George Furlong at Llawhaden as George was the brother of Charlotte > Furlong, my 4 x gt grandmother.  I have a large amount of information on > the Furlong family back to John Furlong who died in 1754.  I only know > that Bridget's parents were Thomas James and Frances (possibly Gibby) > but I have not made a study of that family.  Are you descended from the > Furlong or James line?  I wonder if you have any information that we > could share? >

There was an Oliver family near Devils Bridge in Northern Cardiganshire. Two of the sons were ministers - Rev. Abraham Oliver who was at Bethlehem Chapel in Llanddewi Brefi and David Oliver who was at Twrgwym near Rhydylewis. My great Uncle Thomas Lloyd worked for Abraham Oliver and my great grandfather helped David Oliver build a chapel near Aberbanc. I came to the conclusion that Oliver was a patronymic name rather than being French, but its possible. There are a lot of "strange" names in Cardiganshire such as Ajax, Felix, Mathias, Simon, Anthony, Andrew, Oliver, etc. As for a French connection, there were Flemings in PEM in the 12th centruy and there was a Dutch community near Llandovery which is where I believe my Ajax family originally came from. My father, who aws Welsh-born always said that Mathias was a Welsh name. Some of these names disappear after a generation because they are patronymic. Annie Attached Message From: yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] French in South West Wales Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:34:52 +0100 Hello Listers, This is a long shot! I have heard tales of French people in small numbers inhibitating the Cardigan area(Ferwig area) in 1700's.Apparently there was a farm in that area with a French name. I have ancestors by surname Oliver originating from North Pembs and also ancestors with surname Peregrine from North Pembrokeshire including the Llandysilio area. My grandparents used to tell me we had continental connections going back to 18th century, but I have been unable to trace any! I am just wondering about a Hugenot connection fleeing from persecution in France. Has anyone any ideas ? It would be very much appreciated. Yvonne Evans Attached Message From: Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] French in South West Wales Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Dear Yvonne I know of Fleming settlement in Pembs but not Huguenots (although my father surname Mathias, claimed he was of Huguenot descent when in poetic mood, but I have never found any trace !) - but perhaps individuals fled from France and settled here. Possibly your ancestors could have been Flemings rather than Huguenots. The Huguenot Society link is here http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ and their family history link is here http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family.html Journal: Huguenot Families is a half yearly publication of the Huguenot Society which deals specifically with genealogy and family history - this has now ceased publication - but available on CD rom. List of Contents of the journals is here:- [with lists of family names] http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/uploads/docs/HuguenotFamilies_Contents.pdf Hope this is helpful Jen --- On Fri, 16/10/09, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote:

Hello Carol....I have reading the correspondences concerning your ancestor James Lloyd with interest. I am descended (via my mother) from a John Lloyd b abt 1877 in Prendergast. His occupation was a butcher. His first marriage in 1804 resulted in children born in Prendergast - all died, including his wife. He moved to nearby Haverfordwest in the 1820's where he remarried and had a number of children including my ancestor John Lloyd (1829 - 187?). With Prendergast being such a small village, there is a possibility there is a link sometime in the 18C. I have been able to go back to the mid-18C though there is much uncertainty. John may have had brothers William, James, David and sisters Martha, Esther, Sarah - all born in the last 1/4 of the 18C in Prendergast. His father was probably Thomas Lloyd Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lloyd" <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> To: <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "Yvonne WATSON" <yvonne@artdes.co.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 > > Dear Bettye, > This has been the best two weeks ever:0) > This list is amazing, thank you so much for the Will & Probate > information. > I just don't know what to say? > What unbelievable luck I am having at the moment. > > Thank you so much, > My very kindest regards, > Carol > PS. It is Ebenezer :0) > >> From: lki59595@bigpond.net.au >> To: yvonne@artdes.co.uk; manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >> CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 >> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:26 +1100 >> >> Dear Carol, Yvonne & Others, >> >> Arived home 3 hours ago after 1-1/2 day 1,000 kilometre, car >> journey...husband updated computer and asked me to read stockpiled >> messages. >> I moved some printed Will abstracts to reach a pen and out jumped: >> >> James Lloyd, Surgeon, Parish of Prendergast Town & Co. of Haverfordwest, >> Pemb, >> Date 24 Jan. 1854. Date of Probate 20 Jan. 1857. >> >> Elizabeth Ann Lloyd wife, Properties mentioned..Leasehold house Bridge >> End, >> Parish of Prendergast. >> Mr. Thomas Mathias, tenant, Innkeeper, Bridge End Town, Haverfordwest >> Ebenzer Lloyd, son (presume it should be Ebenezer) >> David Paulett Williams, bro. of wife, Surgeon >> James Lloyd, son >> Mary Lloyd, dau. >> Thomas Lewis Lloyd, son >> Elizabeth Paulett Lloyd, dau. >> >> Executor: Elizabeth Ann Lloyd >> Witnesses: Thomas Owen, James Hughes, David Lloyd, Blacksmith, Village & >> Par. of Prendergast. >> >> Too foggy headed at present to remember why I have this, but what are the >> odds!!!! >> >> With Wills readable on line now and free, Carol, you might even be able >> to >> get a little more personal information >> from the actual Will >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> >> >> >>> > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:34:34 +0100 >> >>> > To: manxie55@hotmail.co.uk >> >>> > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com >> >>> > From: pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk >> >>> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] James LLOYD born c1820 >> >>> > >> >>> > Hello Carol >> >>> > >> >>> > I found a possible 1841 in Wolfscastle PEM (listed under St >> >>> > Dogwells) >> >>> > >> >>> > James LLoyd 57 Surgeon >> >>> > Elizabeth " 50 >> >>> > Thomas " 25 Currier >> >>> > >> >>> > All born in county >> >>> > In 1851 he is in Prendergast. >> >>> > >> >>> > I'm sending you the 1851 census offist >> >>> > >> >>> > Pat >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > In message <BAY135-W1508EF3F2B1CBBE0EB703C84CA0@phx.gbl>, Carol >> >>> > Lloyd >> >>> > <manxie55@hotmail.co.uk> writes >> >>> > > >> >>> > >Dear List, >> >>> > >I must send my thanks to Yvonne WATSON because due to her efforts >> >>> > >and >> >>> help over >> >>> > >the past two weeks, she has found me my missing LLOYD family:0) >> >>> > > >> >>> > >Today, I recieved the marriage cert of James LLOYD = Mary JAMES at >> >>> > >the >> >>> Parish >> >>> > >Church, Dinas, Pembroke on Oct 11th 1862, by Licence. >> >>> > >James was aged 42 yrs, Batchelor,Occ: Butter Merchant, Address: >> >>> Prendergast, >> >>> > >Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon. >> >>> > >Mary JAMES age 23yrs, Spinster, Address: ?Icucnive(sic) Father: >> >>> > >John >> >>> JAMES occ: >> >>> > >Farmer. >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Carol I know Brynhellan Farm below VERY well my mother was born there. We too are descended from said Stephen Morris through his daughter Martha Griffiths - her daughter Harriet married Henry James, their son Stephen Morris James was my great grandfather, he had 2 sons my granfather William Henry James and Victor James - the house is now owned by Victor's daughter who lives next door - which was also owned by the family. Stephen Morris is buried in the churchyard of the ruined Cwm-Yr-Eglwys. How are you connected. I will contact you off list over weekend as I have photos of the property and will email you all I have on this side of the family. I am now very excited! best wishes Melanie > > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:17:26 +1000 > From: "cj" <loracj@westnet.com.au> > Subject: [Dyfed] Brynhenllan Dinas Cross > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E467692FD0A54E90AC328F4AB5EAB2F3@CORAL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good Morning Listers, > > Through the wonderful assistance of a lister from this mailing list, I have not only made a wonderful friend from the other side of the world, but she has also taken me through an almost virtual tour of where my ancestors walked. It is not enough just to say thankyou, for the time being just cannot believe how blessed I am. Some months ago I listed my interests from Pembrokeshire as being: Lewis, Davies & Howell - which at the time gave me grandfathers x 4/5, thanks to the wonderful help I received I am now able to claim another grandfather x 5, Stephen Morris. > > It would appear that Stephen Morris from Brynhenllan was my grandfather x 5, and owned a number of properties in the area, one in particular is now listed on Coastal Cottages of Pembrokeshire website as: 12720 Brynhenllan Dinas Cross a 300 year old detached farmhouse . Stephen Morris died in 1847 and his estate was dispersed to his wife and daughters Martha Griffiths & Anne Davies. > > I wonder is there anyone on the list who may know of this farmhouse and its' history or maybe connected to it in someway, either as family descendant or has any other information to build a bigger picture in our Family History Files. > > Our family has a house name plaque "Brynhenllan" that has been handed down through at least two generations that we know of, and is currently on a direct descendants home, and up till now we had no idea of it's significance. Now we wonder just how old this plaque really is, something to ponder on. > > Thank you all for your help both in the past and present. > > Have a good day - rgds Coral Jennings - hot Qld, Australia > Dyfed FHS Member 4663 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > ************************************* _________________________________________________________________ Chat to your friends for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

Dear Yvonne, One of my g-g-g-grandfathers was Thomas Mendus (1755 - 1830) of St Dogmaels, Pembs. 'Yr Eurgrawn Wesleyaidd' was the Welsh language newspaper for Wesleyan Methodists. Starting in 1904, volume 96, E. Rees of Machynlleth began a multipart series to commemorate the death in 1855 of Edward Jones 3^rd . Edward Jones was a notable Wesleyan preacher and theologian and the son-in-law of Thomas Mendus (husband of Mendus' daughter, Diana). In part IV (1905) it is recorded that John Mendus Jones, son of Edward Jones, claimed that the Mendus family originated as Flemings from Flanders having come to Pembrokeshire several centuries earlier. The conventional explanation of the origin of the name is “*Mendus* — said to have come with the Spanish Armanda and the Spanish names Mendes and Mendoza. *Meands, Means, Menday, Mende, Mends, Mens.* “ However,religious turmoil in sixteenth century Flanders which was then under Spanish control, led to the expulsion or emigration of many protestants, especially the French speaking Hugenots. It is fully plausible that individuals of Spanish origin with named such as Mendes or Mendoza would also have become Protestants and would have also fled the Spanish Inquisition. (My lineage is from Diana's elder sister, Charlotte). Sincerely, Brian Davies Jennifer Cairns wrote: > Dear Yvonne > > I know of Fleming settlement in Pembs but not Huguenots (although my father surname Mathias, claimed he was of Huguenot descent when in poetic mood, but I have never found any trace !) - but perhaps individuals fled from France and settled here. Possibly your ancestors could have been Flemings rather than Huguenots. > > The Huguenot Society link is here > http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ > and their family history link is here > http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family.html > > Journal: Huguenot Families is a half yearly publication of the Huguenot Society which deals specifically with genealogy and family history - this has now ceased publication - but available on CD rom. > List of Contents of the journals is here:- [with lists of family names] > http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/uploads/docs/HuguenotFamilies_Contents.pdf > > Hope this is helpful > > Jen > > --- On Fri, 16/10/09, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: > > > From: yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> > Subject: [Dyfed] French in South West Wales > To: DYFED@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, 16 October, 2009, 10:34 AM > > > Hello Listers, > This is a long shot! I have heard tales of French people in small numbers inhibitating the Cardigan area(Ferwig area) in 1700's.Apparently there was a farm in that area with a French name. I have ancestors by surname Oliver originating from North Pembs and also ancestors with surname Peregrine from North Pembrokeshire including the Llandysilio area. My grandparents used to tell me we had continental connections going back to > 18th century, but I have been unable to trace any! I am just wondering about a Hugenot connection fleeing from persecution in France. Has anyone any ideas ? It would be very much appreciated. > Yvonne Evans > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi List, I have a query please? I have been looking on the IGI for my LLOYD family and have come across three James LLOYD's. All entries are extracted from the Bishops Transcripts on IGI. 1) James David Pawlett LLOYD b. ABT 1813 at Prendergast, Pembroke ? died when? 2) James LLOYD b. ABT 1819 at Prendergast, Pembroke ? died ? when? 3) James LLOYD b. ABT 1820 at Prendergast, Pembroke. Until recently, I had the second James LLOYD as being married to Mary JAMES b. ABT 1839 at Dinas, Cardigan, Pembrokeshire,Wales. Obviously now, that is wrong as the other two James' must have died very young. All three have the parents: James LLOYD and Elizabeth ANN (Pawlett WILLIAMS ) But, I can't find their deaths on the IGI, would anyone be able to help me with this? I will need to make corrections to my tree. Sorry to ask for help again, as you have been brilliant to date:0) Kind Regards, Carol LLOYD _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

Good Morning Listers, Through the wonderful assistance of a lister from this mailing list, I have not only made a wonderful friend from the other side of the world, but she has also taken me through an almost virtual tour of where my ancestors walked. It is not enough just to say thankyou, for the time being just cannot believe how blessed I am. Some months ago I listed my interests from Pembrokeshire as being: Lewis, Davies & Howell - which at the time gave me grandfathers x 4/5, thanks to the wonderful help I received I am now able to claim another grandfather x 5, Stephen Morris. It would appear that Stephen Morris from Brynhenllan was my grandfather x 5, and owned a number of properties in the area, one in particular is now listed on Coastal Cottages of Pembrokeshire website as: 12720 Brynhenllan Dinas Cross a 300 year old detached farmhouse . Stephen Morris died in 1847 and his estate was dispersed to his wife and daughters Martha Griffiths & Anne Davies. I wonder is there anyone on the list who may know of this farmhouse and its' history or maybe connected to it in someway, either as family descendant or has any other information to build a bigger picture in our Family History Files. Our family has a house name plaque "Brynhenllan" that has been handed down through at least two generations that we know of, and is currently on a direct descendants home, and up till now we had no idea of it's significance. Now we wonder just how old this plaque really is, something to ponder on. Thank you all for your help both in the past and present. Have a good day - rgds Coral Jennings - hot Qld, Australia Dyfed FHS Member 4663

Hello Listers, This is a long shot! I have heard tales of French people in small numbers inhibitating the Cardigan area(Ferwig area) in 1700's.Apparently there was a farm in that area with a French name. I have ancestors by surname Oliver originating from North Pembs and also ancestors with surname Peregrine from North Pembrokeshire including the Llandysilio area. My grandparents used to tell me we had continental connections going back to 18th century, but I have been unable to trace any! I am just wondering about a Hugenot connection fleeing from persecution in France. Has anyone any ideas ? It would be very much appreciated. Yvonne Evans

Dear Yvonne   I know of Fleming settlement in Pembs but not Huguenots (although my father surname Mathias, claimed he was of Huguenot descent when in poetic mood, but I have never found any trace !) - but perhaps individuals fled from France and settled here.  Possibly your ancestors could have been Flemings rather than Huguenots.   The Huguenot Society link is here http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/ and their family history link is here http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/family.html   Journal: Huguenot Families is a half yearly publication of the Huguenot Society which deals specifically with genealogy and family history - this has now ceased publication - but available on CD rom. List of Contents of the journals is here:- [with lists of family names] http://www.huguenotsociety.org.uk/uploads/docs/HuguenotFamilies_Contents.pdf   Hope this is helpful   Jen --- On Fri, 16/10/09, yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> wrote: From: yvonne evans <a.y.evans@homecall.co.uk> Subject: [Dyfed] French in South West Wales To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, 16 October, 2009, 10:34 AM Hello Listers, This is a long shot! I have heard tales of French people in small numbers inhibitating the Cardigan area(Ferwig area) in 1700's.Apparently there was a farm in that area with a French name. I have ancestors by surname Oliver originating from North Pembs and also ancestors  with surname Peregrine from North Pembrokeshire including the Llandysilio area. My grandparents used to tell me we had continental connections going back to 18th century, but I have been unable to trace any!  I am just wondering about a Hugenot connection fleeing from persecution in France. Has anyone any ideas ? It would be very much appreciated. Yvonne Evans ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David! You already have the answer (2.2 miles) but I suggest you download the excellent parish locator program which will give map references distance between parishes and enables you to get a list of parishes within any given radius of another parish. It's at http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/parlocdl.html Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in Clydey . > Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of > this Dyfed List . > > Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next > door parish of Clydey . > > I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS and > DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's > > In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? > Clydey with his family . > > By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at > Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). > > What is the distance between these two places ? > > What detailed map would anyone recommend ? > > I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help > with CMB of these two places from > > say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . > > Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of > Merthyr TYdfil in 1861 ! > > David Gilroy . > > 15 October 2009. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

On 15/10/09 21:40, "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of this > Dyfed List . > > Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next door > parish of Clydey . > > I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS and > DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's > > In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? > Clydey with his family . > > By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at > Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). > > What is the distance between these two places ? > > What detailed map would anyone recommend ? > > I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help with > CMB of these two places from > > say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . > > Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of Merthyr > TYdfil in 1861 ! > > David Gilroy . Hello David The map that shows both places is the Ordnance Survey Explorer 185 "Newcastle Emlyn / Castell Newydd Emlyn". If you know about OS references, Dolpwll is SN217356 and Hendrewilym is SN 259354, so as the crow flies the distance between them is 4.2 kilometres or just over two and a half miles. The route by road and bridleway is half a mile longer, a little longer if he chose to go through the village of Star. The route is quite hilly, so David Davies must have been quite keen on Phoebe - as the result showed! Perhaps he had a horse. I have CMB indexes for the period 1813-1837 for this area. Gerry Lewis

Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of this Dyfed List . Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next door parish of Clydey . I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS and DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? Clydey with his family . By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). What is the distance between these two places ? What detailed map would anyone recommend ? I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help with CMB of these two places from say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of Merthyr TYdfil in 1861 ! David Gilroy . 15 October 2009.

Dear List, I don't know if this has already been posted, I stumbled across this website to day and found it of great interest. Maybe some on the list would also enjoy. Photo's of Welsh Ruins. http://www.welshruins.co.uk/gallery.html Regards Jane ( W Auss)

Thanks Jane, the link is much appreciated.   Jen Another Welsh Ruin --- On Thu, 15/10/09, muehsam@virginbroadband.com.au <muehsam@virginbroadband.com.au> wrote: From: muehsam@virginbroadband.com.au <muehsam@virginbroadband.com.au> Subject: [Dyfed] Welsh Ruins To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 15 October, 2009, 9:13 AM Dear List, I don't know if this has already been posted, I stumbled across this website to day and found it of great interest. Maybe some on the list would also enjoy. Photo's of Welsh Ruins. http://www.welshruins.co.uk/gallery.html Regards Jane ( W Auss) ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello Bob There is a marriage of a Rebecca Shears to William Richards (widower) on 5 April 1836 in Pembroke St Michael. Could this be your Rebecca? In the 1851 census there is this possible for William and Rebecca - but no Charles at home. Lamphey Lane Pembroke St Michael William Richards H M 55 Labourer Jeffreston Rebecca " wife M 50 Steynton Mary " dau 12 Pem Benjamin " son 8 PEM In 1841 Pem St Michael William Richards 45 Ag Lab Rebecca " 35 Mary " 2 John Hughes (written as Huse) 35 Ag Lab Lettice " 75 Alice " 35 Charwoman In the marriage of William and Rebecca Alice Hughes was a witness so this supports the thinking that this is a Rebecca Shears. According to Richard Rose's "Pembroke People" William's first wife was Sarah Mackan and she was buried at St Michaels on 2 Feb 1831 aged 45. I can give you more details if you like. I think this must be the Rebecca that is the mother o Charles because in the 1861 census Charles is married and living with his wife and 2 children next door to Rebecca Richards in Pembroke St Michael. All for now Pat In message <1BEE62F29A564C13BAB4E7BC6E366E3B@RobertPC>, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> writes >Hello List > > Does SKS have access to the 1851 Census for Pembrokeshire. I am seeking >Charles Shears (born about 1829 according to the IGI )born to Rebecca Shears. I >also would like to know where Rebecca was born > > Thanking you in Advance > >Bob > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Hi Bob If Frederick is a sibling of the Charles 5, Clara 3 and Annie 1 in the 1891 Census then I can take his ancestry back to John Shears of Hall House, St. Florence (buried in St. Florence churchyard 19 March 1807) and his wife Elizabeth Llewellyn buried 30 March 1827. This John Shears left a Will in 1807 - see on http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon?skin=profeb&lng=en Kind regards Joy

Dear Gerry, Thanks so much for the info from the Place Names of Pembrokeshire. I haven't been able to locate an old map showing the location either. I did, however, have success with a current Ordnance Survey Map. Portheiddy is shown on map #157 St. David's and Haverfordwest. It's just west of Llanrhian. Cheers, Karen -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Lewis Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:23 AM To: Dyfed List Subject: Re: [Dyfed] PEM Dwrgwdwg Houses, Porthyddy, Llanryan On 14/10/09 02:28, "Karen Larson" <greenfaerie@comcast.net> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am trying to locate information about my great-grandmother's birthplace. > She wrote in the family bible that she was born on 27 September, 1878 at > Dwrgwdwg Houses, Pembrokeshire. Her birth certificate says Porthyddy, > Llanryan, St. David's, Haverfordwest. I am not familiar enough with > Pembrokeshire geography and would appreciate any assistance. > > Thanks so much, > > Sincerely, > > Karen Larson > > Seattle, Washington, USA > > greenfaerie@comcast.net Hello Karen "The Place Names of Pembrokeshire" [p290] has the following in the section on St David's, Plwyf Dewi [a part of St David's]: The stream now called Dwr Cwmwdig or Cwmwdig Water rises near Cwmwdig, flows through that cwm [valley] passing just south of Porth Eiddy to enter the sea in the bay of Abereiddy (? originally Porth Eiddy), It would appear, then, that the houses were near to the stream [which is actually the parish boundary between St David's and Llanrhian]. I had a look at " Old Maps" [ http://www.old-maps.co.uk] putting Portheiddy, PEMBROKESHIRE in the search box but could not find the name you seek. Gerry Lewis ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message