Dear Listers   For anyone from the Tregaron area this may be of interest.   Any one on the list with an Ebenezer Richard connection?   I have only just learnt of this exhibition - and they have an excellent online picture show as well if you can't get there. (if you living within reach of Tregaron the exhibition is open until 9th Nov in gallery above Rhiannon's Gold Centre, Tregaron Square)   Excellent online picture show here:   http://www.thepicturemakers.co.uk/webpm2/diary/soaralbum/slide.html http://www.thepicturemakers.co.uk/webpm2/diary/soar2009/history.html   "Capel Soar y Mynydd... should lie derelict, abandoned years ago, yet it still persist, kept alive by a dedicated congregation who still climb the valley to worship where no one lives. For many it has become a poignant symbol of Wales; Soar y Mynydd has become an idea. While the chapel echoes its forlorn fate it is still able to keep faith with its forbears and, like persistent nature itself, clings tenaciously to its beliefs; in God, and in its Welsh history and culture."   Services are at 2.00 and only in the Summer months.    In the online pictures I couldn't spot this one by Ogwyn Davies which is my favourite. I believe it is now in the collection of LLGC - and certainly features on a Nat. Library card. NB for those who have never been to Soar y Mynydd, Ogwyn's mountains are metaphysical rather than that high in reality - he has several paintings of chapels, including Capel Ebenezer, Llangybi which also has an emphasised mountain behind it !   http://www.orielpenyfangallery.co.uk/uploads/ImageRoot/images/Q3hV46ZC.jpg?1256248025     Jen   Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Has anyone lost Richard Evan ROBERTS, 1892? (And I wonder if he was ever found!) From the Brisbane Courier, 5 April 1892: ROBERTS, Richard Evan, seaman, native ofAberystwith ; last heard of in the American ship D. C. Murray six years ago, going from Newcastle, N.S.W., to Hongkong. David CANBERRA

My thanks to all those who replied. No wonder I didn't think there was a Railway Link,Because the Link is via Shrewsbury. I.E;I would have to go from Cardiff to Shrewsbury,change there,and catch another Train To Aberystwyth. The Talk of Moving the National Library of Wales to somewhere else was brought up on another List some time ago,as like me,They didn't realise there WAS a rail Link. I should have known Better,as I used to Work for the Old British Railways from 1962,[on the Steam Engines] to 1981 on the Expresses [High Speed Trains] up to London. Cheers Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

the above couple are my 3rd grt grandparents and married in April 1833, Margaret was born in 1813 in pembrey carmarthenshire and Daniel was born in 1810/1 in Carmarthenshire, i would love to know who each of their parents are, does their marriage give any details of their parents? i got their marriage on a cd of carmarthenshire from 1813-1837. john

Hello Listers, I wonder if anyone knows if I am correct in my reading that the infamous outlaws Jesse and Frank James of the "Wild West" were great grandsons to a Baptist minister from Little Newcastle Pembrokeshire. If so, is this the Baptist Minister who was imprisoned at the time of the French landings in Fishguard in 1797. He was subsequently freed. He was a Rev James from Little Newcastle. I am interested because I have James ancestors from Little Newcastle/Castle bythe area. Yvonne Evans

Dear Listers For those with an interest in various tax returns a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Pemtax1.html covering 1342 to 1842, it is by no means definitive, but will give some idea of what taxes can be found covering Pembrokeshire. You may even recognise the author. I would also recommend reading Village Records by John West ISBN 0 85033 444 6 Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname >----Original Message---- >From: dyfed-request@rootsweb.com >Date: 22/10/2009 8:00 >To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >Subj: DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 338 > > > >Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. > >Today's Topics: > > 1. LAND TAX ASSESSMENTS (cardi2@aol.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:52:26 -0400 >From: cardi2@aol.com >Subject: [Dyfed] LAND TAX ASSESSMENTS >To: dyfed@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <8CC20C90F39BE3D-1624-ADA5@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >How do you access land tax assessments? That's very easy. Go into your local Family History Center and order them. They were filmed by the Mormons many years ago. The Cardiganshire ones are great; Carmarthenshire's are horrible. I don't know about Pembrokeshire. Never had a reason to look up anybody in PEM. By the way, its for all of Wales . > >Annie > > > > > > > > > > > >Attached Message > > > > > > > >From: > > >David Gilroy <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > > > > > > >To: > > >LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; James Lloyd <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: > > >Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > > > > > > >Date: > > >Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:53:28 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the >Land Tax records - how do you do it ? > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to >DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb. com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb. com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 338 >************************************* > Recycle mobile phones and earn - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle

Hello Bettye , Thanks for taking up the challenge . In the 1841 Census ,John and Jane DAVIES were at Hendrewylym,Clydey with a brood of kids In the 1851 Census ,they were at Penfoider , Clydey . In the 1861 Census they were at Clfynnordoy?,Clydey. I may be lucky in the 1841 Census .There is hopefully a daughter Esther age one year -so could be registered under civil reg . It could give Jane's surname . All the church info greatly appreciated - I will get my hands on some indexes soon . I am now enrolled as Dyfed FHS member No 4698. Cheers - hope you turn up more. Best wishes, David Gilroy . 21 October 2009. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com>; "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > Dear David, > > I don't think you could have picked a harder surname that Davies. > > O.K. You think John and Jane Davies, with a son David born c. 1822 > might be the possible parents. > At which property were they living in 1841 census? > > Let's look at "Dole Llanarth" , Clydey......Land tax sheets say a > Mrs. DAVIES (something illegible after her name ....could be "and > others") > is living there in 1831......In 1820 (I don't have the in-between > sheets) a William DAVIES is the tenant there. > > There is no sign of William Davies being buried in the churchyard > between 1820 and 1831 .....he may be farming elsewhere and may have > left his wife, or mother, in charge of this property...or what I > take as Mrs. might be Mr. > The owners of Dolau Llannerch are shown in the Pemb. Historic Houses > book, but no names for any tenants. > > The burial index 1813-37...printed sheet (obtained from > Haverfordwest Records Office) > 1832 Thomas the infant son of John and Jane DAVID, Dole, buried > 7th. April aged 3. > 1832 William the infant son of William and Sarah DAVID, Dole, buried > aged 9 weeks > 1836 John DAVIES died Dole Llannerch buried 8th. Apl. aged 1. > > There were other David Davies from Clydey: > A DAVID DAVIES of Cwmcncira buried 20th. Sept. 1817 aged 21 > A DAVID DAVIES (?) Labourer buried 1828 aged 30. > > I could not find a marriage for John and Jane Davies or John and > Jane David at Clydey ..(looked from 1813 to about 1824). > There are many other David and Davies names in the records. > > Bettye Kirkwood.....from sunny Sydney. Today 25 deg.C. by the sea, > 35 deg.C. in the western suburbs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > a > From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "James Lloyd" > <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > > >> Hello Bettye, James and the DYFED list from David Gilroy in >> St.Albans , Herts. >> >> First what a marvellous list this is and thanks for showing an >> interest in my DAVIES and LEWIS families of Clydey and Penrydd >> respectively . >> >> Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the >> Land Tax records - how do you do it ? >> >> You have brought good news ! >> >> Definitely , Rachel LEWIS at Ddolpwll in 1837 is mine .In the 1841 >> Census Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS are there with my Phoebe LEWIS and >> her daughter (By David Davies )Charlote DAVIES age 2 yrs . >> My theory so far is that Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS died there >> certainly by 1851. >> My David Davies probably moved in with Phoebe Lewis at Ddolpwll >> ,because there is a birth registration I have for a Rachel DAVIES >> there 6 February 1845.There may also be another child Esther later >> . >> >> However by 1849 this lot had left Ddolpwll and Hannah DAVIES birth >> registration of David and Phoebe appears at Penratt Doleu ,Clydey . >> >> By 1851 ,they had moved to Merthyr Tydfil - David Davies had turned >> from farmer to coal miner ! >> >> Opinion please ,folks .The only David Davies ,born about 1822 in >> Clydey who was the right age , right area ,right time appears to be >> in the 1841 Census with parents John DAVIES and Jane -farmer . >> >> Could the "earlier" David Davies tenant in 1814 be a relative maybe >> father or brother of John Davies? >> >> My Phoebe Lewis was born in St.Clears in about 1816 and there is an >> igi entry there -parents Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS so that stacks >> up ! >> >> I really appreciate the information some of it a bit too early at >> the moment .At the risk of outstaying the excellent welcome I have >> had ,if anyone can consolidate any of this with church register >> information - I will be very grateful . >> >> I am currently joining the Dyfed FHS and am planning a visit to >> NLOW next summer with field visits to you know where! >> >> Who knows what we will find in the new online Wills at NLOW ? >> >> I have been in family history for 26 years and belong to six FHS's >> already .This list is excellent - you and Rootsweb can be very >> proud of it .I take my scrum cap off to you all ! >> >> Look forward to more discussion. >> >> Best wishes , >> >> David Gilroy in a cold miserable St.Albans . >> >> 20 October 2009. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> >> To: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Cc: <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >> >> >>> Dear James and David, >>> >>> Don't know if it will help, but I have had a look at the random >>> Clydey Land Tax sheets I have. >>> >>> From 1786 (when they started) Hendrewilym is mainly tenanted by >>> Samuel Hughes and presumably his son John Hughes >>> from 1796. A little later a couple of others join John Hughes as >>> tenants. >>> From c. 1814 David Davies..(he could be there earlier as I have >>> 1801, then 1814) was the tenant at the next door property Star >>> right up to about 1820 when he was one of the additional tenants >>> at Hendrewilym, though still working away at Star. >>> >>> The 1831 Land Tax is most difficult to read...(my copy, >>> anyway).and for Hendrewilym there are a couple of names, but none >>> look, to me, like Davies, neither is he next door at >>> Star........it is then tenanted by David James but right next door >>> to David James the farm is being worked by a Wm. Lewis. There is a >>> David Davies c. fifteen entries away tenanting a place I can't >>> read....appears to begin with a D...it may be Dycoed as the last >>> few letters appear to be awr ( for fawr?) whilst the next listed >>> property is Dycoed Issa. >>> >>> Phoebe Lewis of Penrith may have been visiting her farming father >>> or brother or another relative at Clydey..they are adjoining >>> areas. In the Historic Pemb. Houses book Dolpwll Penrith was said >>> to be, in 1837 owned by Thomas Brightwell Esq. with Rachel Lewis >>> as tenant. >>> >>> Of course, there could be father and son David Davies....or from a >>> couple of families at Clydey. >>> >>> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com> >>> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >>> >>> >>>> David, I was interested to read about a David DAVIES from Clydey, >>>> thinking >>>> maybe there's a link with my ancestor David Davies of Manordeifi >>>> who was >>>> married to the sister of Thomas Lewis of Llwyngravis, Cards. >>>> Lewis bought >>>> Clynfyw there in 1753 from Owen Davies, grandson of David >>>> Llewelyn of >>>> Pennalty Cych, Clydey. My David's father was John David Llewelin >>>> who died >>>> in Manordeifi in 1724. I believe he was related to David >>>> Llewelyn of >>>> Penallt Cych. Perhaps your David is descended from this David >>>> Llewelyn. >>>> >>>> My line had a Philip Davies who died in 1851 in Carmarthen and >>>> who had a son >>>> named Thomas Zephaniah Davies (1818-1896). If you run across >>>> them or a >>>> Zephaniah Davies, we might be researching the same family. If >>>> so, I'd very >>>> much like to compare notes. >>>> >>>> James Lloyd >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:51 +0100 >>>> From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >>>> Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in >>>> Clydey >>>> . >>>> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >>>> Message-ID: <47B7CDC7F76F4EC58F20CDC5AFD30016@oemcomputer> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>>> >>>> Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new >>>> member of >>>> this Dyfed List . >>>> >>>> Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd >>>> and next >>>> door parish of Clydey . >>>> >>>> I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my >>>> LEWIS and >>>> DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's >>>> >>>> In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at >>>> Hendrewylyn ? >>>> Clydey with his family . >>>> >>>> By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS >>>> living at >>>> Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). >>>> >>>> What is the distance between these two places ? >>>> >>>> What detailed map would anyone recommend ? >>>> >>>> I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - >>>> any help with >>>> CMB of these two places from >>>> >>>> say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . >>>> >>>> Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out >>>> of Merthyr >>>> TYdfil in 1861 ! >>>> >>>> David Gilroy . >>>> >>>> 15 October 2009. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ================================ >>>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >> >> >

I imagine that you wrote this tongue in cheek, Dai because as you should be aware the rail link from Aberystwyth not only still exists but is at last being improved in that an hourly service is being introduced and the only thing holding up the re-instatement of a direct service to London is the objection about unfair competition from a rival company in England. There is of course no question of moving the National Library which has only just had a multi-million face lift. Of course we would all like better north-south road and rail links but that's something which the apology for a National Assembly need so look at instead of wasting money on a recently completed £18 million + building here in Aberystwyth. Finally our university is rated right at the top for student satisfaction which is understandable as it's far and away the best in Wales. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <robert.williams94@googlemail.com> To: <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: [Dyfed] How our Ancestors Travelled in 1873? > Hi Dai.Its not only 1873 for the problem in how to get to > Aberystwyth?There > has been a lot of talk lately on how to get there NOW? > As I don't think the Railway Line goes there anymore does it? > There has also been talk in shifting the National Library of Wales to > somewhere else,as its such an out of the way place to get to. > As for Travelling in 1873,There was only the Railways for High Speed > Travel. > Higher than what a Horse Travelled at that is,or "Shanks Pony". > Cheers,Graham. > > -- > Graham Williams.of > Canton,Cardiff. > Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". > Glam;FHS;#551. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Its an interesting question, some of my ancestors were Vipond's they came to Wales in abt 1750 from the Alston lead mines to Cardiganshire mines. When I have driven up to Cumbria I have often thought of these people with horse and carts? Moving their possessions to Wales, or even with hand carts. Would they have brought their possessions that far or sold them and bought new ones in Wales? It has been pointed out that lead was shipped to North Wales from Cumbria to be smelted and that Cardiganshire lead was going North as well and that it was more probable that they came to Cardiganshire by Boat. David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com Sent: 21 October 2009 20:59 To: robert williams; dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com; Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] How our Ancestors Travelled in 1873? The trains go to Aberystwyth, but only from England and a few select places in Wales en route. From north or south Wales, there is an "express" bus operated by Arriva, but without a car, it is difficult. Much easier in 1870s! Blame Beeching. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire (Ps wish I was called something unusual, like Smith). ------Original Message------ From: robert williams Sender: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: 21 Oct 2009 18:49 Subject: [Dyfed] How our Ancestors Travelled in 1873? Hi Dai.Its not only 1873 for the problem in how to get to Aberystwyth?There has been a lot of talk lately on how to get there NOW? As I don't think the Railway Line goes there anymore does it? There has also been talk in shifting the National Library of Wales to somewhere else,as its such an out of the way place to get to. As for Travelling in 1873,There was only the Railways for High Speed Travel. Higher than what a Horse Travelled at that is,or "Shanks Pony". Cheers,Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How do you access land tax assessments? That's very easy. Go into your local Family History Center and order them. They were filmed by the Mormons many years ago. The Cardiganshire ones are great; Carmarthenshire's are horrible. I don't know about Pembrokeshire. Never had a reason to look up anybody in PEM. By the way, its for all of Wales . Annie Attached Message From: David Gilroy <gilgen@ntlworld.com> To: LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; James Lloyd <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:53:28 +0100 Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the Land Tax records - how do you do it ?

The trains go to Aberystwyth, but only from England and a few select places in Wales en route. From north or south Wales, there is an "express" bus operated by Arriva, but without a car, it is difficult. Much easier in 1870s! Blame Beeching. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire (Ps wish I was called something unusual, like Smith). ------Original Message------ From: robert williams Sender: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: 21 Oct 2009 18:49 Subject: [Dyfed] How our Ancestors Travelled in 1873? Hi Dai.Its not only 1873 for the problem in how to get to Aberystwyth?There has been a lot of talk lately on how to get there NOW? As I don't think the Railway Line goes there anymore does it? There has also been talk in shifting the National Library of Wales to somewhere else,as its such an out of the way place to get to. As for Travelling in 1873,There was only the Railways for High Speed Travel. Higher than what a Horse Travelled at that is,or "Shanks Pony". Cheers,Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Dai Trains still go to Aberystwyth have a look at: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/tocs_maps/maps/OfficialNationalRailmapsmall.pd f Wonder who is talking about moving the National Library? - you must be talking with someone from Cardiff! Tommy -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of robert williams Sent: 21 October 2009 18:50 To: Dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] How our Ancestors Travelled in 1873? Hi Dai.Its not only 1873 for the problem in how to get to Aberystwyth?There has been a lot of talk lately on how to get there NOW? As I don't think the Railway Line goes there anymore does it? There has also been talk in shifting the National Library of Wales to somewhere else,as its such an out of the way place to get to. As for Travelling in 1873,There was only the Railways for High Speed Travel. Higher than what a Horse Travelled at that is,or "Shanks Pony". Cheers,Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dai.Its not only 1873 for the problem in how to get to Aberystwyth?There has been a lot of talk lately on how to get there NOW? As I don't think the Railway Line goes there anymore does it? There has also been talk in shifting the National Library of Wales to somewhere else,as its such an out of the way place to get to. As for Travelling in 1873,There was only the Railways for High Speed Travel. Higher than what a Horse Travelled at that is,or "Shanks Pony". Cheers,Graham. -- Graham Williams.of Canton,Cardiff. Chairman,"Canton Historical Society". Glam;FHS;#551.

----- Original Message ----- From: "hunkadoon" <hunkadoon@ntlworld.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: [Dyfed] JAMES, MATHRY,,,,,, > Hello and thanks again Sylvia > I am sure you are correct regarding the naming pattern, > having come across it many times in my own family search "up North" > So I feel inclined to apply for a cert. for the birth of Martha, > mentioning > that her mother's maiden surname may be Rowland *or* John. > I only hope they didn't both have daughters called Martha. :-) > Best wishes > Reuben > > >>>Looking at the marriages on BMD like you did, in 1848 a William James >>>married Anne John or Anne Rowland possibly. So I took a look at 1841 and >>>it shows a 15 year old Anne John living in Mathry with her parents, >>>William and Martha John. William John was a Smith Journeyman. Always >>>remember that back then parents would have named their children after >>>their parents, grandparents etc (with luck). > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello and thanks again Sylvia I am sure you are correct regarding the naming pattern, having come across it many times in my own family search "up North" So I feel inclined to apply for a cert. for the birth of Martha, mentioning that her mother's maiden surname may be Rowland *or* John. I only hope they didn't both have daughters called Martha. :-) Best wishes Reuben >>Looking at the marriages on BMD like you did, in 1848 a William James >>married Anne John or Anne Rowland possibly. So I took a look at 1841 and >>it shows a 15 year old Anne John living in Mathry with her parents, >>William and Martha John. William John was a Smith Journeyman. Always >>remember that back then parents would have named their children after >>their parents, grandparents etc (with luck).

Photo of: St Mary's Church, New Radnor, RAD Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: The 19th century Church of St Mary at New Radnor, in Radnorshire. Photography is by John Ball. Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the New Radnor link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear David, I don't think you could have picked a harder surname that Davies. O.K. You think John and Jane Davies, with a son David born c. 1822 might be the possible parents. At which property were they living in 1841 census? Let's look at "Dole Llanarth" , Clydey......Land tax sheets say a Mrs. DAVIES (something illegible after her name ....could be "and others") is living there in 1831......In 1820 (I don't have the in-between sheets) a William DAVIES is the tenant there. There is no sign of William Davies being buried in the churchyard between 1820 and 1831 .....he may be farming elsewhere and may have left his wife, or mother, in charge of this property...or what I take as Mrs. might be Mr. The owners of Dolau Llannerch are shown in the Pemb. Historic Houses book, but no names for any tenants. The burial index 1813-37...printed sheet (obtained from Haverfordwest Records Office) 1832 Thomas the infant son of John and Jane DAVID, Dole, buried 7th. April aged 3. 1832 William the infant son of William and Sarah DAVID, Dole, buried aged 9 weeks 1836 John DAVIES died Dole Llannerch buried 8th. Apl. aged 1. There were other David Davies from Clydey: A DAVID DAVIES of Cwmcncira buried 20th. Sept. 1817 aged 21 A DAVID DAVIES (?) Labourer buried 1828 aged 30. I could not find a marriage for John and Jane Davies or John and Jane David at Clydey ..(looked from 1813 to about 1824). There are many other David and Davies names in the records. Bettye Kirkwood.....from sunny Sydney. Today 25 deg.C. by the sea, 35 deg.C. in the western suburbs. ----- Original Message ----- a From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> To: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>; "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > Hello Bettye, James and the DYFED list from David Gilroy in St.Albans , > Herts. > > First what a marvellous list this is and thanks for showing an interest in > my DAVIES and LEWIS families of Clydey and Penrydd respectively . > > Being a Dyfed "rookie" - I don't have a clue even how to access the Land > Tax records - how do you do it ? > > You have brought good news ! > > Definitely , Rachel LEWIS at Ddolpwll in 1837 is mine .In the 1841 Census > Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS are there with my Phoebe LEWIS and her daughter > (By David Davies )Charlote DAVIES age 2 yrs . > My theory so far is that Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS died there certainly by > 1851. > My David Davies probably moved in with Phoebe Lewis at Ddolpwll ,because > there is a birth registration I have for a Rachel DAVIES there 6 February > 1845.There may also be another child Esther later . > > However by 1849 this lot had left Ddolpwll and Hannah DAVIES birth > registration of David and Phoebe appears at Penratt Doleu ,Clydey . > > By 1851 ,they had moved to Merthyr Tydfil - David Davies had turned from > farmer to coal miner ! > > Opinion please ,folks .The only David Davies ,born about 1822 in Clydey > who was the right age , right area ,right time appears to be in the 1841 > Census with parents John DAVIES and Jane -farmer . > > Could the "earlier" David Davies tenant in 1814 be a relative maybe father > or brother of John Davies? > > My Phoebe Lewis was born in St.Clears in about 1816 and there is an igi > entry there -parents Benjamin and Rachel LEWIS so that stacks up ! > > I really appreciate the information some of it a bit too early at the > moment .At the risk of outstaying the excellent welcome I have had ,if > anyone can consolidate any of this with church register information - I > will be very grateful . > > I am currently joining the Dyfed FHS and am planning a visit to NLOW next > summer with field visits to you know where! > > Who knows what we will find in the new online Wills at NLOW ? > > I have been in family history for 26 years and belong to six FHS's already > .This list is excellent - you and Rootsweb can be very proud of it .I take > my scrum cap off to you all ! > > Look forward to more discussion. > > Best wishes , > > David Gilroy in a cold miserable St.Albans . > > 20 October 2009. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> > To: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com>; <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > > >> Dear James and David, >> >> Don't know if it will help, but I have had a look at the random Clydey >> Land Tax sheets I have. >> >> From 1786 (when they started) Hendrewilym is mainly tenanted by Samuel >> Hughes and presumably his son John Hughes >> from 1796. A little later a couple of others join John Hughes as >> tenants. >> From c. 1814 David Davies..(he could be there earlier as I have 1801, >> then 1814) was the tenant at the next door property Star right up to >> about 1820 when he was one of the additional tenants at Hendrewilym, >> though still working away at Star. >> >> The 1831 Land Tax is most difficult to read...(my copy, anyway).and for >> Hendrewilym there are a couple of names, but none look, to me, like >> Davies, neither is he next door at Star........it is then tenanted by >> David James but right next door to David James the farm is being worked >> by a Wm. Lewis. There is a David Davies c. fifteen entries away tenanting >> a place I can't read....appears to begin with a D...it may be Dycoed as >> the last few letters appear to be awr ( for fawr?) whilst the next listed >> property is Dycoed Issa. >> >> Phoebe Lewis of Penrith may have been visiting her farming father or >> brother or another relative at Clydey..they are adjoining areas. In the >> Historic Pemb. Houses book Dolpwll Penrith was said to be, in 1837 owned >> by Thomas Brightwell Esq. with Rachel Lewis as tenant. >> >> Of course, there could be father and son David Davies....or from a couple >> of families at Clydey. >> >> Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com> >> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 >> >> >>> David, I was interested to read about a David DAVIES from Clydey, >>> thinking >>> maybe there's a link with my ancestor David Davies of Manordeifi who was >>> married to the sister of Thomas Lewis of Llwyngravis, Cards. Lewis >>> bought >>> Clynfyw there in 1753 from Owen Davies, grandson of David Llewelyn of >>> Pennalty Cych, Clydey. My David's father was John David Llewelin who >>> died >>> in Manordeifi in 1724. I believe he was related to David Llewelyn of >>> Penallt Cych. Perhaps your David is descended from this David Llewelyn. >>> >>> My line had a Philip Davies who died in 1851 in Carmarthen and who had a >>> son >>> named Thomas Zephaniah Davies (1818-1896). If you run across them or a >>> Zephaniah Davies, we might be researching the same family. If so, I'd >>> very >>> much like to compare notes. >>> >>> James Lloyd >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:51 +0100 >>> From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> >>> Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in Clydey >>> . >>> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <47B7CDC7F76F4EC58F20CDC5AFD30016@oemcomputer> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of >>> this Dyfed List . >>> >>> Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next >>> door parish of Clydey . >>> >>> I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS >>> and >>> DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's >>> >>> In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? >>> Clydey with his family . >>> >>> By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at >>> Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). >>> >>> What is the distance between these two places ? >>> >>> What detailed map would anyone recommend ? >>> >>> I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help >>> with >>> CMB of these two places from >>> >>> say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . >>> >>> Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of >>> Merthyr >>> TYdfil in 1861 ! >>> >>> David Gilroy . >>> >>> 15 October 2009. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> > >

A bit off-topic, I suppose, but I was greatly amused by this little article in the Melbourne Argus on 26 May 1873: ABERYSTWITH is a celebrated watering place on the Welsh coast, where many improvements have been introduced, but it seems there is still some difficulty in getting from that place to Aberayron which is in some respects tho chief town of the county."Notwithstanding the progress of railways in the principality," says the Cambrian News, "the only conveyance between Aberystwith and Aberayron is a two horse waggonette. First, second, and third class fares are booked by this primitive conveyance, and the following curious distinction is made between the passengers:—First-class passengers aie allowed to retam their seats throughout the journey, second-class have to get out and walk up the hills, which are both numerous and steep, after the fashion of Welsh hills; third class have not only to get out at the steep places, but have to assist in pushing the vehicle up them. This arrangement works very well, but the pace is not great " David Canberra

Photos of: St Brynach's Church, Nevern, PEM Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is: The 15th century Church of St Brynach at Nevern, in Pembrokeshire, including the church itself, its ancient stones bearing Ogham and Latin script, and its Great Celtic Cross. Photography is by John Ball. Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Nevern link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Dear James and David, Don't know if it will help, but I have had a look at the random Clydey Land Tax sheets I have. >From 1786 (when they started) Hendrewilym is mainly tenanted by Samuel Hughes and presumably his son John Hughes from 1796. A little later a couple of others join John Hughes as tenants. >From c. 1814 David Davies..(he could be there earlier as I have 1801, then 1814) was the tenant at the next door property Star right up to about 1820 when he was one of the additional tenants at Hendrewilym, though still working away at Star. The 1831 Land Tax is most difficult to read...(my copy, anyway).and for Hendrewilym there are a couple of names, but none look, to me, like Davies, neither is he next door at Star........it is then tenanted by David James but right next door to David James the farm is being worked by a Wm. Lewis. There is a David Davies c. fifteen entries away tenanting a place I can't read....appears to begin with a D...it may be Dycoed as the last few letters appear to be awr ( for fawr?) whilst the next listed property is Dycoed Issa. Phoebe Lewis of Penrith may have been visiting her farming father or brother or another relative at Clydey..they are adjoining areas. In the Historic Pemb. Houses book Dolpwll Penrith was said to be, in 1837 owned by Thomas Brightwell Esq. with Rachel Lewis as tenant. Of course, there could be father and son David Davies....or from a couple of families at Clydey. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lloyd" <jblloyd@kc.rr.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 329 > David, I was interested to read about a David DAVIES from Clydey, thinking > maybe there's a link with my ancestor David Davies of Manordeifi who was > married to the sister of Thomas Lewis of Llwyngravis, Cards. Lewis bought > Clynfyw there in 1753 from Owen Davies, grandson of David Llewelyn of > Pennalty Cych, Clydey. My David's father was John David Llewelin who died > in Manordeifi in 1724. I believe he was related to David Llewelyn of > Penallt Cych. Perhaps your David is descended from this David Llewelyn. > > My line had a Philip Davies who died in 1851 in Carmarthen and who had a > son > named Thomas Zephaniah Davies (1818-1896). If you run across them or a > Zephaniah Davies, we might be researching the same family. If so, I'd > very > much like to compare notes. > > James Lloyd > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:40:51 +0100 > From: "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> > Subject: [Dyfed] Distance between a Place in Penrydd and one in Clydey > . > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <47B7CDC7F76F4EC58F20CDC5AFD30016@oemcomputer> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans,Herts - a brand new member of > this Dyfed List . > > Help anyone please with the detailed local geography of Penrydd and next > door parish of Clydey . > > I am totally ignorant of the area so help me learn fast with my LEWIS and > DAVIES ancestors in the 1800's - 1850's > > In the 1841 Census my ancestor David DAVIES was living at Hendrewylyn ? > Clydey with his family . > > By then he had fathered a child by my ancestor Phoebe LEWIS living at > Ddolpwll ,Penrydd (Penwith). > > What is the distance between these two places ? > > What detailed map would anyone recommend ? > > I am not into the parish registers of Penrydd and Clydey yet - any help > with > CMB of these two places from > > say 1800 to 1850 greatly appreciated . > > Thank you for bearing with me - I never dreamed I would break out of > Merthyr > TYdfil in 1861 ! > > David Gilroy . > > 15 October 2009. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >