I am in France again until 9th. November and, by surprising coincidence, last night I met here a chap from Pembroke (town). I mentioned the Ormond search to him and he said he knew a present day man in Pembroke of the name. if anyone is interested I can answer offline with names of both. I don't think he will be able to help with research but just worth mentioning. A small world! I remember the name as being from "across the water" in my time not "my side" i.e. Haverfordwest. Vera

Alwyn: Would you please write to me. I tried writing to you and my email came back, 'no such address." We've written before. I'm related to the Swagman thru his mother and this is on my great-grandmother's line. It's a very famous family with lots of ministers. I have extneisve information on this line. My father always said he had ministers in the family; he was right. Annie Lloyd cardi2@aol.com Attached Message From: Alwyn H Jones <longacre28@tiscali.co.uk> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] The Swagman Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:16:13 -0000 My wife Mary, born in Nantgwernog, a farm a few miles in the hills above Llanddewibrefi. lost her father at the age of six in 1942. As a result she knew very little about her father's side of the family, other than the names of his siblings. Having decided to rectify the situation, it was not long before I discovered that Dr William Evans, the eminent heart specialist, was related to her. This of course led to his grandfather, Joseph Jenkins, the Swagman. This was the link that opened the doors to my discovering almost a thousand members of the family. This family could in a way be described as overall one of the most famous families in Cardiganshire, for it included many of the early Baptist mninisters in England and Wales, most of the early Unitarian ministers, men well-versed in both the Classical and Semitic languages. All I had to do was sit in the Carmarthen Reference Library and trawl through the Births, marriages and deaths columns of the "Ymofynydd" for the Unitarians, and copies of "Seren Gomer" for the Baptists. Many members of the family produced reams of poetry and biographies, one tramslated Gray's Elegy into Welsh. Who has not heard of Allen Raine, many of whose novels were made into films? Incidentally Joseph emigrated to Australia due to the physical cruelty he was subjected to by his wife and daughter. The beautiful coral that one stood on his grave is in the safe-keeping of the Unitarian Chapel where he and many others of the family lie buried. If there is anyone out there with any links to the family,and especially to Nantgwernog, Brynglas or Brynambor, Llanddewibrefi, please do get in touch. Alwyn -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1278 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message At

Hi David The Clydey page on Genuki says: Parish registers: Christenings (1701-1991), Marriages (1701-1970), Burials (1701-1991) at NLW with Mf copies at Pem.RO But I suggest you check with Pembrokeshire Record Office before you make the journey to Aberystwyth as I had the impression that NLW were intending to pass their holdings of original parish registers to the relevant ROs. Anna At 27/10/2009 22:49 U+0000, David Gilroy wrote: >Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans , > >Help please in accessing the NLOW catalogue . > >I simply want to find what parish registers they hold for >say Clydey in Pembrokeshire . > >I am having a nightmare getting no result all the time whatever I >type in their search boxes . > >Can some kind soul put me out of misery by spelling out to me how >they would do it ? > >Thank you . > >David Gilroy . > >27 October 2009. > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, If the Poll Books of Carmarthenshire are any guide then they contain only the Name, Parish of Residence and Parish of Freeholding. I'm unsure if people had to be just freeholders or if people with long and expensive leases were included. There is one I found in Henllan Amgoed and I'm fairly certain he was a leaseholder. Also says whom they voted for.The ones I found were for 1722,1727 and 1754. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokehire Poll Books >I have just been using the Family History Library Catalog and found > some information about poll books for pre-1841 censuses in > Pembrokeshire. The description is copied below. > > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > "Four Pembrokeshire Parliamentary election polling books: 1) Hundred > of Roose (Rhos) , election held May-June 1807 (6418). 2) Hundred of > Roose (Rhos) , election held October 1812 (6419). 3) Hundred of > Narberth, election held October, 1812 (6420). 4) Hundred of > Castlemartin, election held October, 1812 (6421).The title board > incorrectly states parish. Roose, Narberth, and Castlemartin are > hundreds, not parishes in this context." > > Does anyone know what sort of information those poll books contain? > Would they have the names and addresses of the (all male) voters? What > proportion of the population were entitled to vote then? > > Roy > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

The 1798 Land Tax assessments are different! They went to the Public Record Office (now the National Archives at Kew) for use by the clerks recording the owners who were exonerated from the tax - essentially these owners had bought it out with a capital sum (much needed by the government at the time to help finance the Napoleonic Wars). These would have been much easier for the LDS to film. Bill G-J In a message dated 27/10/2009 02:24:59 GMT Standard Time, cardi2@aol.com writes: Somebody on this list said they had a problem finding Land Tax Records on the www.familysearch.org site. Go into Google and put in "Family History Library Catalog." The site will come up. At the top of the page will be list of different things - look for the one that says Library. Hit the mouse against it and up will come the word "library catalog." that's what you want Once you are in that site, it will ask what record do you want. Write in: Land Tax Assessments and up should come over 5,000 records. One of them will be for Cardiganshire. The only years they have are for 1798/1799 but its a help considering you don't have a census until 1841.

Roy I have looked at the Narberth hundred poll books for 1812 and 1831 held at the Pembrokeshire Record Office. These contain the following information: Name Residence Qualification e.g. if freehold, leasehold etc Place voted for e.g. name of farm Parish where place voted for is Occupier's details - if different (1831 only) Who voted for (1812 only) Sundry remarks Following on from Katherine's comment, I have been researching my family history in a coalmining area in Pembrokeshire. The local electorate comprised all members of the community including the most obvious such as gentry and farmers but also, more surprisingly, colliers. Several of these were granted 3-life leases by local landowners and this provided an entitlement to vote even though they leased maybe only a cottage and an acre of land at most. There are earlier 1765 & 1768 poll books for Pembrokeshire held at NLW (Ms 308e). These often provide genealogical information about voters who had to justify their right to vote. Jon In a message dated 28/10/2009 10:46:29 GMT Standard Time, km.hocking@btopenworld.com writes: Hi, If the Poll Books of Carmarthenshire are any guide then they contain only the Name, Parish of Residence and Parish of Freeholding. I'm unsure if people had to be just freeholders or if people with long and expensive leases were included. There is one I found in Henllan Amgoed and I'm fairly certain he was a leaseholder. Also says whom they voted for.The ones I found were for 1722,1727 and 1754. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Davies" <roydavies@gmail.com> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Pembrokehire Poll Books > "Four Pembrokeshire Parliamentary election polling books: 1) Hundred > of Roose (Rhos) , election held May-June 1807 (6418). 2) Hundred of > Roose (Rhos) , election held October 1812 (6419). 3) Hundred of > Narberth, election held October, 1812 (6420). 4) Hundred of > Castlemartin, election held October, 1812 (6421).The title board > incorrectly states parish. Roose, Narberth, and Castlemartin are > hundreds, not parishes in this context." > > Does anyone know what sort of information those poll books contain? > Would they have the names and addresses of the (all male) voters? What > proportion of the population were entitled to vote then?

On 27/10/09 22:49, "David Gilroy" <gilgen@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans , > > Help please in accessing the NLOW catalogue . > > I simply want to find what parish registers they hold for say Clydey in > Pembrokeshire . > > I am having a nightmare getting no result all the time whatever I type in > their search boxes . > > Can some kind soul put me out of misery by spelling out to me how they would > do it ? > > Thank you . > > David Gilroy . > > 27 October 2009. Hello David According to "Parish Registers of Wales" the NLW has the registers for Clydey for Christenings and Burials 1701 - 1812 and Marriages 1701 - 1837, and BTs for 1674, 1676, 1678-80, 1682-5, 1687-9, 1702, 1705, 1799-1803, 1805-14, 1816-67, 1869 and 1873. Gerry Lewis

Hello List from David Gilroy in St.Albans , Help please in accessing the NLOW catalogue . I simply want to find what parish registers they hold for say Clydey in Pembrokeshire . I am having a nightmare getting no result all the time whatever I type in their search boxes . Can some kind soul put me out of misery by spelling out to me how they would do it ? Thank you . David Gilroy . 27 October 2009.

I believe there is someone on this list who has Lodowick ancestors. Could she please contact me. thanks, Annie

My wife Mary, born in Nantgwernog, a farm a few miles in the hills above Llanddewibrefi. lost her father at the age of six in 1942. As a result she knew very little about her father's side of the family, other than the names of his siblings. Having decided to rectify the situation, it was not long before I discovered that Dr William Evans, the eminent heart specialist, was related to her. This of course led to his grandfather, Joseph Jenkins, the Swagman. This was the link that opened the doors to my discovering almost a thousand members of the family. This family could in a way be described as overall one of the most famous families in Cardiganshire, for it included many of the early Baptist mninisters in England and Wales, most of the early Unitarian ministers, men well-versed in both the Classical and Semitic languages. All I had to do was sit in the Carmarthen Reference Library and trawl through the Births, marriages and deaths columns of the "Ymofynydd" for the Unitarians, and copies of "Seren Gomer" for the Baptists. Many members of the family produced reams of poetry and biographies, one tramslated Gray's Elegy into Welsh. Who has not heard of Allen Raine, many of whose novels were made into films? Incidentally Joseph emigrated to Australia due to the physical cruelty he was subjected to by his wife and daughter. The beautiful coral that one stood on his grave is in the safe-keeping of the Unitarian Chapel where he and many others of the family lie buried. If there is anyone out there with any links to the family,and especially to Nantgwernog, Brynglas or Brynambor, Llanddewibrefi, please do get in touch. Alwyn -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1278 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Ted Here are the relevant baptisms, marriages and burials from the 2 sets of registers: St Issells Baptisms Eliza 10/4/1808 - William/Martha are parents, he's a collier John 2/12/1810 - William/Martha, collier William 3/10/1813 - William/Martha, collier, Ridgeway is residence Martha 19/5/1816 - William/Martha, farmer, East Williamston Frances 31/10/1819 - William/Martha, labourer, Begelly Marriages 20/12/1806: WIlliam Ormond (bachelor, OTP) and Martha Butterfield (spinster, OTP) witnesses William Ormond and John ? 9/5/1807: John Powell (B, OTP) and Mary Ormond (S, OTP) 30/6/1810: William Ormond (B, OTP) and Martha Callen (S, OTP) witnesses William Prout and Thomas Prickett 14/5/1816: Thomas Phillips (B, OTP) and Martha Ormond (Widow, OTP) witnesses Joseph Callen and Thomas Prickett Burials Rachel 1/7/1806 William Ivy Chimney Lane 11/2/1816 aged 33 William Saundersfoot 14/4/1820 aged 78 Henry Saundersfoot 19/2/1834 11 months Begelly Baptisms Thomas 1/6/1823 - William/Martha, farmer of Leys Richard 12/9/1830 - William/Martha, carter, Hollybush Land Marriages None relevant Burials Richard 4/10/1833 Hollybush Land aged 3 Martha 8/5/1835 Hollybush Land aged 53 William 25/3/1844 Rushes aged 61 For what its worth, here's my interpretation of the two confusing William/Martha marriages in St Issells: 1. One family, from the 1806 marriage, is based in between modern Saundersfoot and Kilgetty at Ivy Chimney Lane. I originally transcribed the bride's surname as Butterfield and have confirmed it in the Dyfed FHS index just now. There were various strands of Butterfield families in this particular neighbourhood. When William dies in 1816, Martha remarries later that year. He left a will confirming Martha as his wife but does not list any children (This is available free of charge on NLW's site, ref SD/1816/191). 2. The other is based on the William/Martha marriage in 1810 where William is a carter/labourer/farmer and lived in the Williamston part of Begelly parish. His several occupations were interchangeable in the coalmining area in which they lived. A William Ormond occupies 12 acres of land in the 1842 Williamston tithe map/award and a cottage and garden just over the parish boundary in St Issells, so he was not farming on a large enough scale to obviate the need for a second job. Many local small holders such as he carted coal for the collieries down to the local beaches/harbour for shipping and made more money from that than they did from farming! No trace of a baptism for James. I have the marriage certificate for James Ormond (likely born in Williamston in the mid-1820s) who married in Tenby on 22/3/1851. His father was a carter, named William so most likely the William in #2 above. I don;t know to which set of parents William bapt 1813 belongs. The one fly in the ointment against this interpretation is that Joseph Callen witnessed Martha Butterfield/Ormond's re-marriage in 1816. It may be pure co-incidence that the bride in the other William/Martha was a Callen as well. Jon In a message dated 27/10/2009 13:27:12 GMT Standard Time, ewhite11@cogeco.ca writes: Hello, Once again I am trying to sort out the family of William ORMOND(s) in the Begelly, St Issells and Tenby area. I wonder if someone would have the time to look through the Parish Registers for Begelly and St Issells from about 1800 to 1830 looking for baptisms, marriages or burials for any ORMONDs; I do not think that there would be be too many entries in that time frame. I have already found the marriage of William to Martha RICHARDS on 20 December 1806 and William and Martha CALLEN on 30 June 1810 both in St Issells. I am especially looking for the baptism of James ORMOND about 1824/5 and the burial of a Martha ORMOND before 1841 - but I am not sure of the parishes. I would appreciate any help and would be please to contact anyone with ORMOND family in this area. Thanks and best wishes, Ted White, Ontario, Canada. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just been using the Family History Library Catalog and found some information about poll books for pre-1841 censuses in Pembrokeshire. The description is copied below. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp "Four Pembrokeshire Parliamentary election polling books: 1) Hundred of Roose (Rhos) , election held May-June 1807 (6418). 2) Hundred of Roose (Rhos) , election held October 1812 (6419). 3) Hundred of Narberth, election held October, 1812 (6420). 4) Hundred of Castlemartin, election held October, 1812 (6421).The title board incorrectly states parish. Roose, Narberth, and Castlemartin are hundreds, not parishes in this context." Does anyone know what sort of information those poll books contain? Would they have the names and addresses of the (all male) voters? What proportion of the population were entitled to vote then? Roy

Hello, Once again I am trying to sort out the family of William ORMOND(s) in the Begelly, St Issells and Tenby area. I wonder if someone would have the time to look through the Parish Registers for Begelly and St Issells from about 1800 to 1830 looking for baptisms, marriages or burials for any ORMONDs; I do not think that there would be be too many entries in that time frame. I have already found the marriage of William to Martha RICHARDS on 20 December 1806 and William and Martha CALLEN on 30 June 1810 both in St Issells. I am especially looking for the baptism of James ORMOND about 1824/5 and the burial of a Martha ORMOND before 1841 - but I am not sure of the parishes. I would appreciate any help and would be please to contact anyone with ORMOND family in this area. Thanks and best wishes, Ted White, Ontario, Canada.

Hi Ted, A little wider scope than you requested but here's all Ormond marriages listed in Pembrokeshire Marriages 1813 - 1837: Jane Ormond m. John Butler   13/09/1814 - Robeston Wathen Anne Ormond (Wid) m. Thomas David 17/10/1818 -  Amroth Elizabeth Ormond m. George Day of Begelly 22/02/1823 - Reynalton Elizabeth Ormond of Pwllcrochan m. James Evans 16/12/1834 - Pembroke St Mary Jane Ormond m. John Griffiths 08/11/1836 - Narberth Martha Ormond m. Peter Gwyther, Farmer 29/12/1829 - Martletwy Roger Ormond Harris, Mariner m. Harriet Evans 13/02/1813 - Tenby Martha Ormond m. Richard Llewhellin 06/05/1830 - Carew Jane Frances Ormond m. James George Lloyd, Mason 05/06/1827 - Prendergast Thomas Ormond, Wid m. Jane Rees 19/12/1813 - Amroth William Ormond, farmer Carew m. Esther George 23/11/1813 - Yerbeston Thomas Ormond, farmer Carew m. Elizabeth Rogers 27/13/1814 - Minwear John Ormond, Lab m. Anne Evans 06/04/1817 - Manorbier John Ormond of Dale m. Elizabeth Codde 09/11/1819 - St Ishmaels Richard Ormond m. Mary Cumming 26/08/1823 - Pembroke St Mary William Ormond of Prendergast m. Mary Augusta Phillips 03/11/0824 - Narberth John Ormond, Gent Carew, m. Mary George 14/02/1826 - Yerbeston Thomas Ormond, Whitchurch m. Martha Rowland 07/04/1828 - St Davids Lewis Ormond m. Priscilla John 20/03/1830 - Penally Thomas Ormond, Farmer Martletwy m. Mary Williams 24/01/1831 - Penally William Ormond m. Jane Evans 14/02/1832 - Narberth Isaac Ormond m. Maria Lewis 14/04/1833 - Robeston Wathen John Ormond, Labourer m. Sarah Bennett 17/12/1833 - Tenby Ann Ormond m. Thomas Owen 25/17/1819 - Prendergast Sarah Ormond m. David Philip of Llanwinio Cmn 03/08/1813 - Llanfyrnach Ann Ormond m. George Roberts 10/01/1819 - Pembroke St Mary Mary Ormond m. Thomas G. L. West of St Mary Pembroke 10/08/1817 - Carew Elizabeth Ormond m. John Whitta (Wid) 02/11/1817 - Pembroke St. Mary Maria Ormond m. George Young of St Twinnels 25/12/1817 - Pembroke St Mary Rachel Boyd Meriden, CT ________________________________ From: Ted White <ewhite11@cogeco.ca> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 9:24:49 AM Subject: [Dyfed] PEM ORMONDs Begelly and St Issells Hello, Once again I am trying to sort out the family of William ORMOND(s) in the Begelly, St Issells and Tenby area. I wonder if someone would have the time to look through the Parish Registers for Begelly  and St Issells from about 1800 to 1830 looking for baptisms, marriages or burials for any ORMONDs; I do not think that there would be be too many entries in that time frame. I have already found the marriage of William to Martha RICHARDS on 20 December 1806 and William and Martha CALLEN on 30 June 1810 both in St Issells. I am especially looking for the baptism of James ORMOND about 1824/5 and the burial of a Martha ORMOND before 1841 - but I am not sure of the parishes. I would appreciate any help and would be please to contact anyone with ORMOND family in this area. Thanks and best wishes, Ted White, Ontario, Canada. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brenda, There was a marriage in Cardiganshire between Benjamin Davies widower and Hannah James 14/12/1822 at Llandyfriog, Cards. I couldn't see any other Benjamin/Hannah combination, but it seems a little strange, though not impossible, that Benjamin, if it is the same one, must have been married young if his first wife had died before he was 21. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Parrott" <willspad2@talktalk.net> To: "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah > thank you Michael for making that place name more easier to read its a > good place to start from, Brenda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah > > > This is the 1871 census entry for Sarah DAVIS, from the Parish her > G'parents > are residing it might be useful to find Father/Mother? > > 1871 census > DAVIES BENJAMIN Head M 70 b Cardiganshire, > place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire > > > DAVIES HANNAH Wife F 71 b Cardiganshire, > place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire > > DAVIES SARAH Granddaughter F 6 bCardiganshire, > place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire > > Regards > > M & P Oram > > > > > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 > 19:57:00 > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Somebody on this list said they had a problem finding Land Tax Records on the www.familysearch.org site. Go into Google and put in "Family History Library Catalog." The site will come up. At the top of the page will be list of different things - look for the one that says Library. Hit the mouse against it and up will come the word "library catalog." that's what you want Once you are in that site, it will ask what record do you want. Write in: Land Tax Assessments and up should come over 5,000 records. One of them will be for Cardiganshire. The only years they have are for 1798/1799 but its a help considering you don't have a census until 1841. Annie

Dear Jen Thought that this would be of interest . When I visited the grave of Joseph Jenkins some years ago at Capel y Groes , Llanwnen, there was a very large lump of " Coral " on the grave. Since the two /or is it three books were published , (one book was "banned" and removed from the shops) the Coral was removed. I was told recently that it was now in "storage " o'r safekeeping. Regards Eric

Dear Annie   Agree with you about the way non-approved voters were treated by the landed dictators and their boot lickers.  The same happened in my neighbourhood where there is a memorial stone in the church to the memory of one of the members of the Derry Ormond family.,..   "This church was entirely rebuilt to his memory by his two sons  ......  and the stone for building the same was hauled by his tenants from the quarry in Llanddewi Brefi as a mark of love and respect for their kind friend and landlord."   People that feel they have to put something along these lines up on the church walls should probably be regarded with deep suspicion.   [Incidentally the dates of this stone fit with the Swagman...there's a coincidence!]   Best wishes   Jen       --- On Mon, 26/10/09, cardi2@aol.com <cardi2@aol.com> wrote: From: cardi2@aol.com <cardi2@aol.com> Subject: [Dyfed] Re the swagman To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 26 October, 2009, 12:27 AM Dear Anne: No, I am not related to Joseph Jenkins thru his sister who married the Lloyd.  I'm related thru his mother and her line. You can talk about all the circumstances surrounding Joseph's need for money, etc. for his reason for selling out the other farmers. The fact is, he sold them out.   But that does not help the fact that my great grandfather had a good farm in Tregaron.  Because he voted the way he felt, he was evicted from his land.  He and his wife and children had to leave the area where they were from and move 50 miles away, where family still lives to this day.  I'm also wondering why Joseph Jenkins had so many children?  If he didn't love his wife - well, you know, it takes two to tango.  He's as responsible as she was.  The problem is she wanted him to stay home and help with the farm and he didn't want to do that.  It's as simple as that. Annie     Attached Message                         From:             Anne Thomas <gwyn@morcoms.co.uk>                             To:             Dyfed DYFED <Dyfed@rootsweb.com>                             Subject:             [Dyfed]  Ceredigion: Joseph Jenkins, Blaenplwyf Ystrad,1847 rat catcher                             Date:             Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:20:08 +0000             Did you notice that there was a visitor, Evan JONES, at Blaenplwyf on Census 1851 and he was a ratcatcher!    There must have been a serious outbreak. Annie, was your connection through Joseph's sister Jane who married Daniel LLOYD of Pant Farm, Garth & Ystrad?   I assume they married in Q4 1847 Lampeter. Your explanation of why Joseph left for Australia seems to fit as the author said that "they could only surmise that the marriage was not a happy one", so the family hadn't mentioned it.  Farmers were not doing well around that time and he may have given in under pressure from the landowners in order to save his own family and farm.  He was an intelligent man who had strong views about Aborigine rights etc, and he would have been very ashamed of his actions. Anne On 24/10/2009, at 3:38, Jennifer Cairns wrote: > Thank you for the rat catching episode...   fascinating...  how  > horrible !     Attached Message ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Bettye Thank you for that information its certainly worth looking into and i will not discard the possibility Regards Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "LC & BJ Kirkwood" <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> To: "Brenda Parrott" <willspad2@talktalk.net>; "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah > Dear Brenda, > > There was a marriage in Cardiganshire between Benjamin Davies widower and > Hannah James 14/12/1822 at Llandyfriog, Cards. > I couldn't see any other Benjamin/Hannah combination, but it seems a > little > strange, though not impossible, that Benjamin, if it is the same one, must > have been married young if his first wife had died before he was 21. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brenda Parrott" <willspad2@talktalk.net> > To: "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk>; <DYFED@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah > > >> thank you Michael for making that place name more easier to read its a >> good place to start from, Brenda >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah >> >> >> This is the 1871 census entry for Sarah DAVIS, from the Parish her >> G'parents >> are residing it might be useful to find Father/Mother? >> >> 1871 census >> DAVIES BENJAMIN Head M 70 b Cardiganshire, >> place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire >> >> >> DAVIES HANNAH Wife F 71 b Cardiganshire, >> place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire >> >> DAVIES SARAH Granddaughter F 6 bCardiganshire, >> place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire >> >> Regards >> >> M & P Oram >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: >> 10/25/09 >> 19:57:00 >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00

thank you Michael for making that place name more easier to read its a good place to start from, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael oram" <mikeoram1940@yahoo.co.uk> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] DAVIES Sarah This is the 1871 census entry for Sarah DAVIS, from the Parish her G'parents are residing it might be useful to find Father/Mother? 1871 census DAVIES BENJAMIN Head M 70 b Cardiganshire, place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire DAVIES HANNAH Wife F 71 b Cardiganshire, place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire DAVIES SARAH Granddaughter F 6 bCardiganshire, place BLAENGEWC, TROEDYRAUR Cardiganshire Regards M & P Oram ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.32/2459 - Release Date: 10/25/09 19:57:00