H.J. - 1841 census: 15-year old Josuah Elias, b. abt 1826 living alone in Llanidloes, Montgomeryshire. 8-year old Josuah Elias living with parents David & Jane + siblings at Llanidloes There are 581 Elias' living in Wales in 1841, 95 of them in Cardinganshire, so a little more info. please. No Josuah's. When was he born (approx.), when was he married? What other given name might he have used? Lynne in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "H. J." <heuly@btinternet.com> To: "DYFED" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [Dyfed] 1841 Census Jos(h)uah ELIAS > Does anyone have access to Cardiganshire 1841 please? > Josuah Elias, a Cooper, is not with his wife, Annah, & family in > Gelligattyfach, Cenarth, in 1841. > Could he be working just over the border in Cardiganshire? > In 1851 he's remarried & is with wife, Sarah, & family, once again in > Cenarth, living at Parkau, which is 3 entries after the family's address > in 1841. > He had died before the 1861 Census & is buried in Trewen Cemetery, though > I failed to find the grave in September. > Many thanks > Heulwen > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.63/2500 - Release Date: 11/13/09 07:54:00

Retrospectives: Saron Chapel, Cwmwysg, BRE; Pembroke Castle, PEM Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. Saron Independent Chapel at Cwmwysg, near Trecastle in the county of Breconshire (four pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 1998. 2. A two-page exploration of the 900-year-old Pembroke Castle in the county of Pembrokeshire (14 pictures). The feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in July 1999. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Thanks David,   You commented:-   "Not sure whether the comment is intended as optimistic about the  language or implies some fear of the foreign nature of Welsh to the  English [...'Double the number of persons now speak Welsh who spoke it in the reign of Elizabeth.']   I can't quite understand the newspaper comment since the population had probably increased since the times of Elizabeth - perhaps a spot of early newspaper spin creeping in there.  Your report (1849) from the Australian newspaper is arguably reflecting the growing opinion that the Welsh language was a drawback to social progression and written two years after the Treachery of the Blue Books (1847). (BRAD YR LLYFRAU GLEISION). These are on the LLGC web pages http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=295 (saesneg) http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=295&L=1 (cymraeg)   In 1870 the Compulsory Education Act came in - more or less in good working order in Wales by 1880. From 1891 census returns in Wales asked for the Language spoken,  and in the 1911 census in Cardiganshire parishes and elsewhere I have noticed enumeration responses being given in Welsh - eg penteulu rather than Head (of household) etc.   Many thanks   Jen   --- On Sat, 14/11/09, David Rowlands <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> wrote: From: David Rowlands <drowlan1@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [Dyfed] The Welsh language in 1849 To: "Dyfed DYFED" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, 14 November, 2009, 6:32 A bit O/T, I know, but here's a two-sentence item from an 'Odds and  Ends' column in the Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 26 December 1849.  That places it around the about the time my great-grandparents were  born. Not sure whether the comment is intended as optimistic about the  language or implies some fear of the foreign nature of Welsh to the  English: 'In Cardiganshire only 3000 people out of 68,706 speak English. Double  the number of persons now speak Welsh who spoke it in the reign of  Elizabeth.' David Canberra ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan Go to the LDS www.familysearch.org website and look under the USA 1880 census. Could not find William the eldest son. Type in James with his DOB 1854 and Wales as his birth country. The family are at: Mifflin,Iowa, Wisconsin Hope this is of some help Gerry Lewis-Steer, Calgary, Canada PS If you could get to an LDS family history library you would be able to get more US census results.

I'm searching for information re: Benjamin Gibbon (born 1832 Penian, Eglwys Fair, PEM) and his wife, Mary Evans (1829). They had three sons, William 1851, James 1854 an John 1856 before they immigrated to US in 1857. Susan Westhoff subwest@comcast.net

Hi All Looking for information relating too, William Charles, ch 27/1/1782 Swansea. Regards Lynne _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

Bob Is this them in 1911. EVANS, Joseph Head Married M 51 1860 General Labourer Mydroilyn Cardiganshire EVANS, Rachel Wife Married 7 years F 34 1877 Pencarre Carmarthenshire EVANS, David Son M 7 1904 Tonypandy Glamorganshire EVANS, Trevor Son M 5 1906 Tonypandy Glamorganshire RG14PN33379 RG78PN1914 RD605 SD3 ED6 SN59 Living in Maester Cottage Lampeter Cardig Could the other children have been born after 1911? What was Rachel's surname? Yvonne On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net>wrote: > Hello List > > I am seeking an Evans family from Lampeter, one has a name I have not > seen before Glastherin . The other children were Trevor ,David and Jack, the > children were born between 1900 and 1910 the mother was named Rachel . Is > Glastherin spelt correctly. Any help on this family will be welcome. > Bob > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Mail List - Has anyone indexed the names in the first section Richard Rose's, "Pembroke People" alphabetically rather than by occupation. I seem to have lost his e-mail address, so cannot ask him directly if this has been done yet. It would make look-ups so much easier. Thanks for any info. Lynne in Tucson

Hello List I am seeking an Evans family from Lampeter, one has a name I have not seen before Glastherin . The other children were Trevor ,David and Jack, the children were born between 1900 and 1910 the mother was named Rachel . Is Glastherin spelt correctly. Any help on this family will be welcome. Bob

Dear Cardiganshire/Carmarthen Listers.   This query isn't quite historic yet, but historic enough to be last century.   In March 1947 a train (or several trains if one counts the rescue attempts) were marooned on the Derry Ormond - Llangybi - Llanio line from Carmarthen to Aberystwyth.   Does anyone have memories of the big snow in 1947 - or who had family members involved in the rescue, or who were marooned on the train. If so please do contact me off-list.   Does anyone know or have any of the following in their families (all from Aberystwyth I think, but not sure about Driver Phillips and Fireman Lucas. I am especially interested in Ms Harries, the "lady guard" on the train marooned in a snowdrift / or marooned in Lampeter.  Versions of the adventure vary.   Driver R. 0. Williams Penparciau Fireman,E. T. Hughes, Penparciau Lady guard Gladys Harries, then of South Road, Aber.   Driver William James and Fireman A. T. C Evans  - rescue attempt train Driver J. Phillips and Fireman T W. Lucas – second rescue attempt train   [Info above from Cambrian News, and Welsh Gazette]   Apparently, according to a ballad written in the 1970s, the stranded passengers played cards and sang hymns ....    Thanks   Jen

Hello When searching for answers it's a good idea to have a look at the following sites. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html As for Dawkins family there is a lady who is a member of the Glamorgan Family History Society who is searching for her Dawking ancestors from Pembrokeshire. Gareth

Thanks to everyone who answered this query. Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia

Hello Bob I saw this question of yours - and I'm not sure if you are following Rebecca Shears - or if you want the family with Martha, Sarah etc as children. They are not the same families as William and Elizabeth Richards and their children including the ones you mentioned are living in Coedcanlas in the 1841 and 1851 census - so the marriage of a William Richards (wid) to Rebecca Shears in Pembroke St Michael on 5th April 1836 is very probably a different William. As Elizabeth is shown as born Lawrenny I think her marriage is William Richards and Elizabeth Garrett married 28th Oct 1820 in Lawrenny. I you need the census details let me know and I'll send it offlist Bye for now Pat In message <96D7BB0DF346414D85C1757E88E16B07@RobertPC>, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> writes >Hello List > > I am seeking clarification on Who William Richards married beside's Rebecca >Shears . The IGI gives Elizabeth as the mother of Ann 1824, Eliza 1815, John >1818 Martha 1821, and Sarah 1830. I would like to find the mother of these >children > >Bob > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

For those who live nearer to Pembroke than Swansea, there is a F.H. day at Pembroke St Mary Church 10 am to 4 pm on the 14th Nov. I believe that The Rec Off will be there and possibly Dyfed FHS., and the 'newly' reformed Pembroke History Society. Alas even I can not be in two places at once. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Get 50 music downloads at no cost, yours to keep with a 14 day trial of Music for Life; play games and find out how you can recycle and earn - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services

Retrospectives: Hen Dy Cwrdd (Chapel), Cefn Coed-y-cymer, BRE; Bow Street, Llanbadarn Fawr, CGN Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. Hen Dy Cwrdd (The Old Meeting House) at Cefn Coed-y-cymer, near Merthyr Tydfil in the county of Breconshire (six pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in June 2000. 2. A three-page account of a visit to the village of Bow Street, near Aberystwyth in the county of Cardiganshire (23 pictures). It includes a set of old photos taken at a Boy Scout camp at Bow Street back in 1928. The feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in November 2003. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Dear Lynne, Try Rhos Hundred......alphabetically, from Burton through to Walwyn's Castle. There is no Bateman/Dawkins marriage listed in the pre-1813 marriages for Rhos Hundred. Most of the area's marriage records start in the 1700's, though Steynton marriages are from 1637. John Bateman 1712 is the earliest Bateman shown and John Dawkins is the earliest of that surname at Steynton in 1662. In the female records Margaret Bateman in 1605? married H.....B......at Haverfordwest St. Mary...ref. HPR2/1 p.29... which reference you could acquire from Haverfordwest Records Office, though the identity of H. B. would seem to be unknown. The only Dawkins female reference is in 1801. Regards. Bettye Kirkwood ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Simpson" <lsimpson@netspeed.com.au> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Where is Roose?' > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:53:09 +1100 > From: "Lynne Simpson" <lsimpson@netspeed.com.au> > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Where is Roose? > To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001601ca5ea5$6c863530$45929f90$@com.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi there > > Could SKS please tell me where Roose is? I seem to have several people > coming from there. I thought it might be Roch, but I'm not sure. > > Ta > > Lynne Simpson > Canberra Australia > > To Alethea (had a great aunt by that name), to Wendy and to David (hi from > Kaleen!) ... Thanks for your reply. > > I asked the question because I have a Harry Bateman in Llanstadwell PEM in > the early 1600s with a mother supposedly a Dawkyn from Roose. Am trying to > track who his mother may be. His father William Bateman is said to have > lived at Rosepool. However, I find that Dawkyn is a name from GLAM, so I > am > still not sure whether I am looking in PEM or GLAM. > > I shall keep digging. > > Thank you > > Lynne Simpson > Canberra Australia > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Message: 4 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:53:09 +1100 From: "Lynne Simpson" <lsimpson@netspeed.com.au> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Where is Roose? To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001601ca5ea5$6c863530$45929f90$@com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi there Could SKS please tell me where Roose is? I seem to have several people coming from there. I thought it might be Roch, but I'm not sure. Ta Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia To Alethea (had a great aunt by that name), to Wendy and to David (hi from Kaleen!) ... Thanks for your reply. I asked the question because I have a Harry Bateman in Llanstadwell PEM in the early 1600s with a mother supposedly a Dawkyn from Roose. Am trying to track who his mother may be. His father William Bateman is said to have lived at Rosepool. However, I find that Dawkyn is a name from GLAM, so I am still not sure whether I am looking in PEM or GLAM. I shall keep digging. Thank you Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia

Dear Lynne The hundred of Roose in Pembrokeshire. In this hundred you find the parishes of Burton, Camrose, Dale, Freystrop, Furzy Park & Portfield (Haverfordwest), Hakin, Haroldston St Issells, Haroldston West, Hasguard, Herbranston, Hubberston, Johnston, Lambston, Llangwm, Llanstadwell, Marloes, Milford, Neyland, Nolton, Robeston West, Roch, Rosemarket, St Brides, St Ishmaels, St Martin (Haverfordwest), and St Mary (Haverfordwest), St Thomas (Haverfordwest), Steynton, Talbenny, Walton West and Walwyns Castle. If you are looking for the Dawkyn family in Pembrokeshire, is it possible this may have been spelt Dawkin. If so take a look at the free index at www.cenquest.co.uk and from there you will be able to see who lived in which parish. I hope this helps Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk >----Original Message---- >From: lsimpson@netspeed.com.au >Date: 06/11/2009 5:53 >To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [Dyfed] Where is Roose? > >Hi there > >Could SKS please tell me where Roose is? I seem to have several people >coming from there. I thought it might be Roch, but I'm not sure. > >Ta > >Lynne Simpson >Canberra Australia > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Get 50 music downloads at no cost, yours to keep with a 14 day trial of Music for Life; play games and find out how you can recycle and earn - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/services

Frances is not a member of the list. Any messages for he will need to include her address. Dai Allan Richards wrote: > Hi all > I thought that any one with an interest in the parish of Slebech, nr. Haverfordwest may like to know that this church, which has been in a very sorry state for sometime is now up for sale. There are still headstones in the grave yard but they appear to be fenced for safety purposes. This may be the last chance to to examine them if it is at all possible. > Frances > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi there Could SKS please tell me where Roose is? I seem to have several people coming from there. I thought it might be Roch, but I'm not sure. Ta Lynne Simpson Canberra Australia