Anyone lost a DOUGHTON from Aber? 'DOUGHTON.—On the 20th inst., at his late residence, 10 Douglas- parade, North Williamstown, Thomas Richard, the youngest son of M. A. Doughton, and brother of D. Doughton, of the Victorian pilot service, aged 28 years, native of Aberystwyth, South Wales. Sydney and home papers please copy.' From the The Argus (Melbourne, Vic.), Monday 22 September 1890. See: http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/ David CANBERRA

Third and final episode - And, using the age in the 1841 census, from freeBMD, four possibles for the first daughter: Dec 1840 Davies Sarah Carmarthen 26 456 Davies Sarah Carmarthen 26 451 Davies Sarah Carmarthen 26 447 Davies Sarah Carmarthen 26 458 from Ancestry: 1841 Wales Census about Sarah Davies Name: Sarah Davies Age: 7 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1840 Gender: Female Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil parish: Laugharne Hundred: Derllys County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales [Image sent off list] Registration district: Carmarthen Sub-registration district: St Clare Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Peter Lewis 55 Elizabeth Lewis 50 David Davies 20 Elizabeth Davies 25 Sarah Davies 7 Mo Unfortunately, it does not appear that the Lewises are in-laws. There was no marriage in the Carmarthen RD from start of civil registration to the end of 1841 between a David Davies and anyone called Lewis. The most likely marriage is one of these three: Dec 1839 qr DAVIES David Carmarthen 26 733 DAVIES David Carmarthen 26 732 DAVIES David Carmarthen 26 759 so the spouses could be - Elizabeth WILLIAMS/DAVIES/FARE, respectively,if this supposition is correct. Incidentally, the middle one of these, Elizabeth Davies, did certainly marry another Davies, either Daniel or David. If it were my case, I'd now rummage through the censuses to find out if any of the daughters were at any time living with in-laws, so that you can identify the right marriage without having to resort to buying a birth certificate. Please contact me off list if you want to order certificates. You would probably be best advised to get them from the Local Register Office if you are not certain of whether what you are ordering is right (rather than the GRO -it's potentially cheaper and much quicker). I guess from your e mail address that you are likely to be in the USA, and if this is the case, you will in practice need someone here to apply on your behalf. I am happy to do this for you. I hope this is of some use. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:38 -0000, robertgascoigne > <robertgascoigne@cox.net> wrote: > >> Hello List >> >> I am looking for a needle in a haystack? I am seeking a John Davies >> who is married to a Margaret. The information I have is, on the 1871 >> Census John and Margaret have a son David aged 10 born Llanelly, >> Benjamin age 8 born Llanelly, and Mary Ann aged 2 born Llanelly. I could >> not find them in 1861 before my subscription to ancestry ran out. On the >> 1871 census no place of birth was given for John or Margaret but the >> children all give Llanelly as their place of birth. John is not on the >> 1881 census and Margaret is shown as a widow, living at 48 High Street >> Llanelly. Any information will be Welcome on this family >> >> >> Thank you in Advance >> >> Bob >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Here's some more for you to consider, Bob: from freeBMD David's daughter, Ann: Mar 1851 Davies Ann Carmarthen 26 619 [only one possible alternative, spelt Anne] from Ancestry - 1851 Census [David (father) missing] [Image sent off list] Name: Ann Davies Age: 1 Mo Estimated birth year: abt 1851 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Laugharne Ecclesiastical parish: St David Town: Laugharne County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Registration district: Carmarthen Sub-registration district: Llangendeirne ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Household schedule number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Davies 36 Sarah Davies 10 Mary Davies 4 Ann Davies 1 Mo Elizabeth Davies 7 AND [Image sent off list] Name: David Davies Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Registration district: Llanelly Sub-registration district: Llanelly ED, institution, or vessel: 1i Household schedule number: 158 Household Members: Name Age Martha Thomas 79 David Davies 29 John Davies 21 Rice Phillips 29 Not bad for 30 minutes' work eh? Your smugly Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:38 -0000, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> wrote: > Hello List > > I am looking for a needle in a haystack? I am seeking a John Davies > who is married to a Margaret. The information I have is, on the 1871 > Census John and Margaret have a son David aged 10 born Llanelly, > Benjamin age 8 born Llanelly, and Mary Ann aged 2 born Llanelly. I could > not find them in 1861 before my subscription to ancestry ran out. On the > 1871 census no place of birth was given for John or Margaret but the > children all give Llanelly as their place of birth. John is not on the > 1881 census and Margaret is shown as a widow, living at 48 High Street > Llanelly. Any information will be Welcome on this family > > > Thank you in Advance > > Bob > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hi Bob You are looking for a needle in a haystack, like most of us (I'm looking for Davies, Thomas, Morgan, Beynon, Morris, Jones (oh dear!) and Williams, all in Llanelly and all about the same time. There's no reason you shouldn't find it, though! from Ancestry - 1861 census: Name: David Davies Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1860 Relation: Son Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Margaret Gender: Male Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Llanelly Town: Llanelly County/Island: Carmarthenshire Country: Wales Image sent off list Registration district: Llanelly Sub-registration district: Llanelly ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 38 Household Members: Name Age David Davies 38 Margaret Davies 26 Elizabeth Davies 13 Ann Davies 11 David Davies 1 Daniel Richards 22 This means that your man David senior married twice! Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:38 -0000, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> wrote: > Hello List > > I am looking for a needle in a haystack? I am seeking a John Davies > who is married to a Margaret. The information I have is, on the 1871 > Census John and Margaret have a son David aged 10 born Llanelly, > Benjamin age 8 born Llanelly, and Mary Ann aged 2 born Llanelly. I could > not find them in 1861 before my subscription to ancestry ran out. On the > 1871 census no place of birth was given for John or Margaret but the > children all give Llanelly as their place of birth. John is not on the > 1881 census and Margaret is shown as a widow, living at 48 High Street > Llanelly. Any information will be Welcome on this family > > > Thank you in Advance > > Bob > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Bob, The surname Davies is certainly not good news. However, FreeBMD only shows two Benjamin Davies with births registered in Llanelly in the right period: March 1864 & June 1864. Neither work out at exactly aged 8 for the census in 1871, but may be "close enough". There are too many Mary Ann Davies and David Davies to work on. It may be that you will have to invest £14 to get the certificates. Hopefully one will be with the correct parents, and it will show the mother's maiden name, which might give a lead on obtaining a marriage certificate. This is perhaps more in hope than anything else. A reference in the 1861 census might provide a better lead. Simon Carter s.n.carter@btinternet.com   --- On Mon, 23/11/09, robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> wrote: From: robertgascoigne <robertgascoigne@cox.net> Subject: [Dyfed] John DAVIES To: "Dyfed Family History" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, 23 November, 2009, 13:02 Hello List   I am looking for a needle in a haystack? I am seeking a John Davies who is married to a Margaret. The information I have is,  on the 1871 Census John and Margaret have a son David aged 10 born Llanelly, Benjamin age 8 born Llanelly, and Mary Ann aged 2 born Llanelly. I could not find them in 1861 before my subscription to ancestry ran out. On the 1871 census no place of birth was given for John or Margaret  but the children all give Llanelly as their place of birth. John is not on the 1881 census and Margaret is shown as a widow, living at 48 High Street Llanelly. Any information will be Welcome on this family Thank you in Advance Bob ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List I am looking for a needle in a haystack? I am seeking a John Davies who is married to a Margaret. The information I have is, on the 1871 Census John and Margaret have a son David aged 10 born Llanelly, Benjamin age 8 born Llanelly, and Mary Ann aged 2 born Llanelly. I could not find them in 1861 before my subscription to ancestry ran out. On the 1871 census no place of birth was given for John or Margaret but the children all give Llanelly as their place of birth. John is not on the 1881 census and Margaret is shown as a widow, living at 48 High Street Llanelly. Any information will be Welcome on this family Thank you in Advance Bob

Hi, We had a double wedding in Pembrey of two sisters but didn't know it until we found newspaper article in Llanelli Library. Katherine ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Spell In Time" <spellintime@googlemail.com> To: <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:33 PM Subject: [Dyfed] Double Wedding at Bethel Baptist Chapel, PEM? > Hi Everyone, > > I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha > Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November > 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. > > The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the > bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 > people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I > know nothing about the extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As > far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to > have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because > it was cheaper? > > I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. > > Thanks very much > > Moni > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Folks, I need help with the subject birth record. I know for certain that his father was Benjamin, laborer (Thomas' Marriage Certificate), that he was born in Llandyfriog, and the year is fairly close based on several census records. My quandary is this: I cannot place him in a family in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, he married in 1870 and is positively documented after that. In 1861 I believe I have him together with Benjamin and two siblings (Benjamin and Rachel) in Monmouth sire, all listed as lodgers. The siblings are indicated to be those of Benjamin, Thomas is not. Pauline Jones has helped me locate a marriage between Benjamin and Rebeccah Jones in 1829 which is suspiciously accurate (Thomas named a daughter Rebecca), but I don't feel comfortable accepting this until I can place Thomas in that family. I found record of a Bidding Letter at NLW requesting wedding gifts in the 1830 collection and learned of a new custom. Should this marriage prove out, is there a way to get a copy of the letter? Any help or suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Howard Evans Billings, MT USA

Retrospectives: Upper & Lower Clydach Valleys, GLA; Eglwyswrw, PEM Dear Listers, This week's Retrospectives, just uploaded onto my website, are: 1. Scenes shot in the Upper and Lower Clydach Valleys, parish of Llangyfelach, in the county of Glamorgan (six pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. 2. The quiet village of Eglwyswrw in the county of Pembrokeshire (five pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in August 1998. As usual, these webpages will be on display on my website for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm After viewing the Retrospectives, please explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hello Moni I'm intrigued! I have a Lewis Evans married to Jane Butler in 1852 in PEM although I seem to remember it was October not November. I need to look up my old files as I haven't been looking at that family for some time. Would you be prepared to send me a scan of your cert offlist and I can then compare with mine when I find it. I can send you a copy of mine too. Cheers Pat (pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk) In message <8b2612690911200733p7cc73fdat51a940521058b433@mail.gmail.com> , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >Hi Everyone, > >I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha >Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November >1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. > >The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the >bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 >people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I >know nothing about the extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As >far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to >have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because >it was cheaper? > >I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. > >Thanks very much > >Moni > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Hi Everyone, I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I know nothing about the extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because it was cheaper? I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. Thanks very much Moni

In a message dated 17/11/2009 16:38:17 GMT Standard Time, johntyner2001@yahoo.com writes: hi list, i am wondering can anyone help me find when rachel and griffith married? also i would like ot know if they had any children. i have located them in 1841 census with griffith's nephew james and possibly Richard maybe a son or using another name instead of his given name of griffith, another nephew of griffith senior's i have found a tree on ancestry with a son david but not sure as it could be another nephew. i have found both griffith and rachel's wills in 1846 and 1847. john in ireland At Moylgrove, 5 Nov 1811 wits James Devonald & John Jones Griffith was of St Dogmaels, the neighbouring parish Bill G-J

thanx everyone for your prompt replies. that has added another bite of information! john ________________________________ From: "BILLGJ@aol.com" <BILLGJ@aol.com> To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 20 November, 2009 15:12:57 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] marriage of griffith Jones and rachel Devonald In a message dated 17/11/2009 16:38:17 GMT Standard Time,  johntyner2001@yahoo.com writes: hi list,  i am wondering can anyone help me find when rachel and griffith  married? also i would like ot know if they had any children. i have  located them in 1841 census with griffith's nephew james and possibly Richard  maybe a son or using another name instead of his given name of griffith,  another nephew of griffith senior's i have found a tree on ancestry  with a son david but not sure as it could be another nephew. i have found  both griffith and rachel's wills in 1846 and 1847. john in  ireland At Moylgrove, 5 Nov 1811 wits James Devonald & John Jones Griffith was of St Dogmaels, the neighbouring parish Bill G-J ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This really is a warning never to take even official reports at face value (as if you would!). Sapper Seward R.J. Edmond R.E. died in the trenches 25th January 1915, nothing new there then ~ but his age in the report is shown as a clear 69 years old, well this really got me hooked, so turning to the CWGC website they show his age as 51, so clearly CWGC must be right (I don’t think). Looking elsewhere I find he was baptized at H’west in 1866 thus making his actual age at death at least 59 years ~ so was this the oldest county man to die on active service, I wonder? He certainly beats everyone else in my military database between 1722 and 2006. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Legal music downloads to keep at no cost - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/downloads

I have just started trying to pick up the threads of my research after a 3 year break. For years I have been trying to track down the death of John TAYLOR, with no luck. I have just found a reference in the Great Sessions Files, which could be him. I'd like to get a copy but have had no luck contacting anyone at llgc.org.uk. Wondering if anyone would have any ideas how I could get a copy of his file, and if it's possible. Thanks, Jen

Images sent to Elwyn off list. ps I got a number of irrelevant results in this search, one of which was an Evans family with a local Welsh dad and a Tyke mum having had two sons born in Rawmarsh, Yorkshire. Oddly enough, I am also a product of a dad from Llanelli and a mum from Rawmarsh, though to add to the mixture, I was born in Middlesex. Also, I remember drinking (well under age) with one of dad's cousins in the Talbot, which is where one of Elwyn's families seems to have lived. It's an odd feeling when you have a personal connexion with what you are researching for someone else! Best wishes to all Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:01:10 -0000, allen williams <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> wrote: > How do, Elwyn > > I'm on to it now: stand by. > > Best wishes > Allen Williams > > On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:21:49 -0000, Elwyn Schreuder > <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> >> Can somebody find my Daniel Evans (34) and brother Samuel Evans(33) in >> 1911 >> census at Pwll, Llanelli. >> >> Daniel Evans could have been at the Talbot Inn, Pwll. >> >> >> Elwyn. >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

How do, Elwyn I'm on to it now: stand by. Best wishes Allen Williams On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:21:49 -0000, Elwyn Schreuder <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> wrote: > Hello list, > > > Can somebody find my Daniel Evans (34) and brother Samuel Evans(33) in > 1911 > census at Pwll, Llanelli. > > Daniel Evans could have been at the Talbot Inn, Pwll. > > > Elwyn. > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hello list, Can somebody find my Daniel Evans (34) and brother Samuel Evans(33) in 1911 census at Pwll, Llanelli. Daniel Evans could have been at the Talbot Inn, Pwll. Elwyn.

> > 1. marriage of griffith Jones and rachel Devonald (john tyner) 1811 at Moylogrove, not sure why you didn't ask me yesterday and I could have got you a jpeg of the entry. I should think Mrs Kirkwood will have full info. Rgds Owen V. ORIEL a welsh window on a surname Legal music downloads to keep at no cost - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/downloads

hi list, i am wondering can anyone help me find when rachel and griffith married? also i would like ot know if they had any children. i have located them in 1841 census with griffith's nephew james and possibly Richard maybe a son or using another name instead of his given name of griffith, another nephew of griffith senior's i have found a tree on ancestry with a son david but not sure as it could be another nephew. i have found both griffith and rachel's wills in 1846 and 1847. john in ireland