Hello Moni Thanks for sending on the copy of the cert. I spoke to Haverfordwest registrar office this morning and they insisted your couple's marriage would be recorded in Carmarthen register Office which I very much doubted as every Narberth registered marriage I have seen was held in Haverfordwest - also if, as I suspect this is a "slip of the pen" rather than a double wedding then my couple who were registered in Narberth as married in October, would not be known to Carmarthen. Anywaay I phoned Carmarthen and they were intrigued and looked up their records - For Dec qtr 1852 they have no record of any of the four names concerned. They asked if I could send them a copy for them to investigate - I'm sure you are OK with that?? Haverfordwest said if there was still a problem then Carmarthen would contact then so obviously they would respond more to a call from Carmarthen than from me!!! Meanwhile while talking to CMN I had another look at your cert and I have a theory. If you have a good look at it there seems to be a small mark on the right hand end of Lewis Evans and Jane Butler so I think this is marking the error - and I think the Seven with & D below is really E D which is the initials of Edward Davies the registrar. I don't know what the "Seven" is possibly a different word that means error or alteration. I mentioned this to the lady in the registrar's office so we'll see what she thinks. All for now Pat In message <8b2612690911250742w53a05efcueb140fe4b14bba7d@mail.gmail.com> , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >Dear Allen and Pat > >I called this a double wedding and put a question mark in the title >line because I don't know at the moment what else to call it and I >have never seen anything like this before. > >The marriage certificate is for just one couple, Samuel John and >Martha Phillips, married at Bethel Baptist Chapel in Monachlogddu in >1852. However it seems that two couples were married at the same time >because the certificate states that "This marriage was solemnised >between us..." and four names are given in the space for the bride and >groom's signatures/marks: Samuel John and Martha Phillips, plus Lewis >Evans and Jane Butler. There are two separate witnesses to the >marriage as per usual. In the margin beside the names of those who >were married is a note that looks like "Seven & D." > >It certainly got me intrigued! Perhaps, as you suggest, Pat, this >could be a case of Lewis Evans and Jane Butler getting married in one >chapel and then blessed in another to accomodate both their places of >worship. But if that's what Lewis and Jane did, it's strange that >their names have been given on Samuel John and Martha Phillips >marriage certificate in the way that they have. Perhaps the wedding >and the blessing both took place at the same time in front of >witnesses. > >So for me there's still a bit of a mystery there. > >I hope you've got the scan of the marriage certificate now, Pat. > >With thanks and best wishes > >Moni -- pat

Dear Everyone,   Thought keen Cardiganshire collectors of small local histories, especially those interested in family connections with land and property might be interested in this about-to-arrive volume...    Just had the following info from Alan Leech (retired from over the border to live in Llanfair Clydogau) who last year wrote a book called "Llanfair Clydogau, History of a Cardiganshire Parish"  He and his wife Sally have now published a sequel  -   struggle for survival in the cardiganshire hills: story of the settlement of the mountains of llanfair and llanddewi   "Since the successful publication of the book dealing with the history of Llanfair Clydogau, my wife and I have spent the year researching other areas of life in this location of the former Cardiganshire.  In particular, we were interested in the struggle of people to obtain land to farm, both in the lowland, and on what was known as the "Mountains".    Accordingly, a new book has been produced, printed to a high standard by Y Lolfa, Talybont.  It is a landscape book, almost A4 in size and contains 213 pages of text, photographs and maps. A good deal of information is provided on the local Manors, tenant farmers, "ty-un-nos" dwellings, the legal enclosure of both Llanfair and Llanddewi Mountain, together with a farm history of 60 upland dwellings, with reference to many hundreds of families. "   If any one is interested Alan says the book is due to arrive around Dec 4, and then he can weigh it and calculate postage.  I forgot to ask him if he has Paypal facilities.  Please contact Alan direct if you are interested.  [The price in pounds sterling is £14.95p].    For those of us who live close by (and no need for postage) there are two evenings where the author is giving an intro. in Llanfair Clydogau village hall: Wednesday December 9th and Thursday December 10th at 7.30 pm.  Croeso i bawb.   Best wishes   Jen   ~~~~~ Wednesday, 25 November, 2009 16:13 From: "ALAN LEECH" alanleech1@btinternet.com    Since the successful publication of the book dealing with the history of Llanfair Clydogau, my wife and I have spent the year researching other areas of life in this location of the former Cardiganshire.  In particular, we were interested in the struggle of people to obtain land to farm, both in the lowland, and on what was known as the "Mountains".    Accordingly, a new book has been produced, printed to a high standard by Y Lolfa, Talybont.  It is a landscape book, almost A4 in size and contains 213 pages of text, photographs and maps. A good deal of information is provided on the local Manors, tenant farmers, "ty-un-nos" dwellings, the legal enclosure of both Llanfair and Llanddewi Mountain, together with a farm history of 60 upland dwellings, with reference to many hundreds of families. ~~~~~~~~

thanx Allen, that is Jane in 1881 with my 2nd grt grandparents! John Jones parish Clerk of Swanse, died in 1903, Jane is indeed Niece of his Wife jane(nee lewis) elizabeth is in 1881 listed as Eliza Jones with her brother james Lewis. that is jane in 1871 as shown below. so jane Jones snr and Elizabeth Jones are sisters who both married Jones's but not 2 brothers john ________________________________ From: allen williams <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com> To: john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com>; dyfed@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 26 November, 2009 17:03:17 Subject: Re: [Dyfed] register of Pembrokeshire Births Hi John Is this her in the 1871 census? Name:    Jane Jones Age:    7 Estimated birth year:    abt 1864 Relation:    Daughter Mother's Name:    Elizabeth Gender:    Female Where born:    St Dogwells, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish:    St Dogwells Town:    Bridgend County/Island:    Cardiganshire (St Dogwells ought of course to be St Dogmells - good old Ancestry) If so, the birth should indeed be registered in Cardigan, and there is no such birth on freeBMD. Given the proximity to Cardigan, I can't see the birth being registered anywhere else if the birthplace is correct. You may need to seek the help of the Registrar where the registers are kept now. From the GENUKI information, this could be Cardigan or Haverfordwest, depending on whether the place of birth was in St Dogmaels Municipal, or Rural division. Before jumping to the conclusion that the birth was unregistered, to verify the place of birth I would try to find her after the 1871 census, which is the problem you first mentioned - having had a quick look on Ancestry, this is not an easy one to crack. She could even, as you suggest, have died before April 1881. I can't find mam Elizabeth in 1881 either, suggesting she may have died. If you get any candidates for her in 1881, she should be easy to identify because she is deaf. Did Elizabeth have a sister Jane? If so, there is a Jane Jones of the right age in Swansea in 1881, born in Pembrokeshire (correct) but it does not say where in the county, unfortunately. She is a servant in her uncle-by-marriage's house (he's the Parish Clerk of Swansea, no less). His wife is Jane Jones and it is she I believe who is the blood auntie, because she is born Pembrokeshire too (the husband is born Glamorgan). This is a tough one. Good luck. Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:54:18 -0000, john tyner <johntyner2001@yahoo.com> wrote: > hi list, > i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no luxck and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 in Cardigan District. > i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. > any help appreciated. > john > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

hi list, i have been trying to findout what happened to my jane Jones(b abt 1864 pembrokeshire) after 1881. also i am trying to find out what district i should be looking under for her birth. her mother is Elizabeth/Eliza Jones formerly lewis and i have been looking under cardigan but no luxck and all i can find is a possible marriage to a Thomas Davies in the 1880's but when i cross reference it seems the jane i am looking in the 1891 and 1901 censuses is jane Thomas who married Thomas Davies in 1886 in Cardigan District. i have checked for her death and all i can find is a 21 and 19 yr old jane Jones dying in 1889 but the ages dont fit with her birth yr. any help appreciated. john

Hi John Walter Thomas of Llanelly married Mary Devonald of Swansea St Mary on the 27th March 1836 at Swansea St Mary, Glamorganshire. A James Devonald of Llanstephan married Sarah Llewellyn of St Peters on the 9th of April 1811 at Llanllwch. >From Wikipedia - The Parish of Llanllwch The Parish of Llanllwch was originally a part of the historic Parish of St. Peter, which was divided into three districts by an Order of the Queen in Council dated 10 November 1843, which in July 1857 became separate parishes. The Borough of Carmarthen ceased to exist after the local government reorganization of 1974, but Llanllwch still remains within the authority of Carmarthen Town Council. Again I hope this helps Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk The latest news as it happens - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news

Hi All Am seeking a 1901 census for Charles David Lloyd - all info listed below.  I have tried Ancestry and The Gen with nothing seeming to match.  any ideas pls? also anyone else related to this line of Lloyds on list would love to hear from you. Father: Lloyd, Thomas Mother: Unknown, Mary Lloyd, Charles David (GGF) Name: Lloyd, Charles David Birth: Birth: 1890 in Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire Death: Death: Bef. 1938 in 1891 Address: Connors Row, Neyland, Pembrokshire, Wales [1] 1911 Address: 4 George St, Neyland, Pembrokeshire, Wales [2] Occupation:  Seaman WD/Boatman/Ferryman Shared Facts: Moore, Ethel May Marriage: Marriage: 1908 in Pembroke, Dyfed, Pembrokeshire Children: Lloyd, Mary 1909c Lloyd, Thomas 1910c Lloyd, Edward Stanley - 1913 have cert (GF) Lloyd, Charles S 1918 - have obit Lloyd, David H 1923c Sources: 1 1891 Lloyd_Moore Family Census. 2 1911 Lloyd, Charles Family Census. Many thanks Carol __________________________________________________________________________________ Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now: http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/

Dear Allen and Pat I called this a double wedding and put a question mark in the title line because I don't know at the moment what else to call it and I have never seen anything like this before. The marriage certificate is for just one couple, Samuel John and Martha Phillips, married at Bethel Baptist Chapel in Monachlogddu in 1852. However it seems that two couples were married at the same time because the certificate states that "This marriage was solemnised between us..." and four names are given in the space for the bride and groom's signatures/marks: Samuel John and Martha Phillips, plus Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. There are two separate witnesses to the marriage as per usual. In the margin beside the names of those who were married is a note that looks like "Seven & D." It certainly got me intrigued! Perhaps, as you suggest, Pat, this could be a case of Lewis Evans and Jane Butler getting married in one chapel and then blessed in another to accomodate both their places of worship. But if that's what Lewis and Jane did, it's strange that their names have been given on Samuel John and Martha Phillips marriage certificate in the way that they have. Perhaps the wedding and the blessing both took place at the same time in front of witnesses. So for me there's still a bit of a mystery there. I hope you've got the scan of the marriage certificate now, Pat. With thanks and best wishes Moni 2009/11/25 allen williams <gerald.williams23@ntlworld.com>: > Hi all > > I don't want to be pedantic (or rather, I do, I suppose) but isn't "double > wedding" something of a misnomer? > > A wedding is, by definition, between one man and one woman, so, even if two > wedding ceremonies are informally combined, two distinct sets of vows have > been made and two separate weddings have taken place. There should be two > register entries and (after 1st July 1837) two civil certificates, so I do > not see how you (in principle) should be able to distinguish from the > records between a "double wedding" and two separate ceremonies which have > taken place on the same day. > > Am I missing something here? Is there one register entry somehow covering > two marriages? If so, surely this is a mess-up on the part of the person in > charge. > > I have always thought of a "double wedding" (or any sort of multiple > wedding) as being merely a public sign of kinship and/or amity between all > the parties concerned and as having no legal implications whatsoever, > including those for the documentation produced. > > > Best wishes > > Allen Williams > Sale Cheshire > > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:17:23 -0000, pat <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> Hi Moni >> >> I'm looking forward to seeing your certificate. >> >> I have heard of people getting married in one church/chapel and then >> later getting a blessing in another - probably to cater for their >> separate chapels. >> I wonder if this is the case here? >> >> Where exactly on the certificate are my Lewis and Jane mentioned as you >> can't have one certificate or two weddings. >> >> Looking at the GRO Index there are only one set of Lewis Evans and Jane >> Butler in the Dec qtr of 1852. >> >> My certificate shows they married on 13th October 1852 in Carmel Chapel >> (Baptist) by Henry Price. >> The witnesses were Mary Ann Williams and Margaret James. >> >> Both Carmel chapel and Bethel came under the Rhydwilym "umbrella" so >> they are connected. >> >> I will send you a scan of the certificate off-list for you to see. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> In message <8b2612690911241459n4a2fd9c3t73a86ba619ae3713@mail.gmail.com> >> , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >>> >>> Thank you Pat and Katherine for your replies. >>> >>> I actually replied to Pat offlist by accident through pressing the >>> wrong button, so have pasted my reply below in case it's of interest >>> to anyone else. >>> >>> I remain puzzled by the double wedding involving Samuel John because I >>> don't know of a family relationship between the two couples, so I'm >>> wondering why they did it in this way. >>> >>> With thanks and best wishes >>> >>> Moni >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Pat >>> >>> It sounds very much like your Lewis Evans and Jane Butler are the same >>> as those named on my certificate, but the marriage date on mine is >>> definitely 1 November 1852. I'll get the certificate scanned and email >>> it to you next week, and would be very interested to know if your >>> marriage certificate mentions my Samuel John and Martha Phillips at >>> all. >>> >>> Meanwhile I hope that others on the list might know something about >>> the occurrence of double weddings, if this indeed is what this is. >>> >>> With best wishes >>> >>> Moni >>> >>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha >>>>> Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November >>>>> 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. >>>>> >>>>> The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the >>>>> bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 >>>>> people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I >>>>> know nothing about the  extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As >>>>> far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to >>>>> have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because >>>>> it was cheaper? >>>>> >>>>> I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks very much >>>>> >>>>> Moni >>>>> >>> >>> >>> ================================ >>> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of >>> the message >> > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > -- A Spell In Time Tales from Bulgarian Myth & Folklore www.spellintime.co.uk

Hi all I don't want to be pedantic (or rather, I do, I suppose) but isn't "double wedding" something of a misnomer? A wedding is, by definition, between one man and one woman, so, even if two wedding ceremonies are informally combined, two distinct sets of vows have been made and two separate weddings have taken place. There should be two register entries and (after 1st July 1837) two civil certificates, so I do not see how you (in principle) should be able to distinguish from the records between a "double wedding" and two separate ceremonies which have taken place on the same day. Am I missing something here? Is there one register entry somehow covering two marriages? If so, surely this is a mess-up on the part of the person in charge. I have always thought of a "double wedding" (or any sort of multiple wedding) as being merely a public sign of kinship and/or amity between all the parties concerned and as having no legal implications whatsoever, including those for the documentation produced. Best wishes Allen Williams Sale Cheshire On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:17:23 -0000, pat <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Moni > > I'm looking forward to seeing your certificate. > > I have heard of people getting married in one church/chapel and then > later getting a blessing in another - probably to cater for their > separate chapels. > I wonder if this is the case here? > > Where exactly on the certificate are my Lewis and Jane mentioned as you > can't have one certificate or two weddings. > > Looking at the GRO Index there are only one set of Lewis Evans and Jane > Butler in the Dec qtr of 1852. > > My certificate shows they married on 13th October 1852 in Carmel Chapel > (Baptist) by Henry Price. > The witnesses were Mary Ann Williams and Margaret James. > > Both Carmel chapel and Bethel came under the Rhydwilym "umbrella" so > they are connected. > > I will send you a scan of the certificate off-list for you to see. > > Pat > > > > > In message <8b2612690911241459n4a2fd9c3t73a86ba619ae3713@mail.gmail.com> > , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >> Thank you Pat and Katherine for your replies. >> >> I actually replied to Pat offlist by accident through pressing the >> wrong button, so have pasted my reply below in case it's of interest >> to anyone else. >> >> I remain puzzled by the double wedding involving Samuel John because I >> don't know of a family relationship between the two couples, so I'm >> wondering why they did it in this way. >> >> With thanks and best wishes >> >> Moni >> >> >> >> Dear Pat >> >> It sounds very much like your Lewis Evans and Jane Butler are the same >> as those named on my certificate, but the marriage date on mine is >> definitely 1 November 1852. I'll get the certificate scanned and email >> it to you next week, and would be very interested to know if your >> marriage certificate mentions my Samuel John and Martha Phillips at >> all. >> >> Meanwhile I hope that others on the list might know something about >> the occurrence of double weddings, if this indeed is what this is. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Moni >> >> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha >>>> Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November >>>> 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. >>>> >>>> The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the >>>> bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 >>>> people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I >>>> know nothing about the extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As >>>> far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to >>>> have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because >>>> it was cheaper? >>>> >>>> I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. >>>> >>>> Thanks very much >>>> >>>> Moni >>>> >> >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> the message > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hi Moni I'm looking forward to seeing your certificate. I have heard of people getting married in one church/chapel and then later getting a blessing in another - probably to cater for their separate chapels. I wonder if this is the case here? Where exactly on the certificate are my Lewis and Jane mentioned as you can't have one certificate or two weddings. Looking at the GRO Index there are only one set of Lewis Evans and Jane Butler in the Dec qtr of 1852. My certificate shows they married on 13th October 1852 in Carmel Chapel (Baptist) by Henry Price. The witnesses were Mary Ann Williams and Margaret James. Both Carmel chapel and Bethel came under the Rhydwilym "umbrella" so they are connected. I will send you a scan of the certificate off-list for you to see. Pat In message <8b2612690911241459n4a2fd9c3t73a86ba619ae3713@mail.gmail.com> , A Spell In Time <spellintime@googlemail.com> writes >Thank you Pat and Katherine for your replies. > >I actually replied to Pat offlist by accident through pressing the >wrong button, so have pasted my reply below in case it's of interest >to anyone else. > >I remain puzzled by the double wedding involving Samuel John because I >don't know of a family relationship between the two couples, so I'm >wondering why they did it in this way. > >With thanks and best wishes > >Moni > > > >Dear Pat > >It sounds very much like your Lewis Evans and Jane Butler are the same >as those named on my certificate, but the marriage date on mine is >definitely 1 November 1852. I'll get the certificate scanned and email >it to you next week, and would be very interested to know if your >marriage certificate mentions my Samuel John and Martha Phillips at >all. > >Meanwhile I hope that others on the list might know something about >the occurrence of double weddings, if this indeed is what this is. > >With best wishes > >Moni > > >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha >>> Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November >>> 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. >>> >>> The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the >>> bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 >>> people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I >>> know nothing about the  extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As >>> far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to >>> have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because >>> it was cheaper? >>> >>> I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. >>> >>> Thanks very much >>> >>> Moni >>> > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

hi list, thanx to sylvia for her prompt reply on lemuel Davies marriage, i have now found the Devonald connection and would like some more help, Ann Devonald Thomas's paternal grandparents are Walter Thomas(1814-) and mary Devonald(1812 llanstephan Carmarthenshire), my question is when and where did they marry? Mary's parents are James Devonald(1786-) and sarah llewellyn(1790-1858) it seems froma tree on ancestry that they married in 1811 in Llanstephan. any help appreciated. john

Thank you Pat and Katherine for your replies. I actually replied to Pat offlist by accident through pressing the wrong button, so have pasted my reply below in case it's of interest to anyone else. I remain puzzled by the double wedding involving Samuel John because I don't know of a family relationship between the two couples, so I'm wondering why they did it in this way. With thanks and best wishes Moni Dear Pat It sounds very much like your Lewis Evans and Jane Butler are the same as those named on my certificate, but the marriage date on mine is definitely 1 November 1852. I'll get the certificate scanned and email it to you next week, and would be very interested to know if your marriage certificate mentions my Samuel John and Martha Phillips at all. Meanwhile I hope that others on the list might know something about the occurrence of double weddings, if this indeed is what this is. With best wishes Moni >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I've just received a marriage certificate for Samuel John and Martha >> Phillips at Bethel Baptist Chapel, Monachlogduu, PEM, dated 1 November >> 1852, and it seems that this was a double wedding. >> >> The part of the certificate which requires the marks/signatures of the >> bride and groom, states that the marriage was solemnised between 4 >> people: Samuel John, Lewis Evans, Jane Butler and Martha Phillips. I >> know nothing about the  extra couple - Lewis Evans and Jane Butler. As >> far as I know they weren't relatives. I'm intrigued. Was it common to >> have double weddings in Baptist chapels? Would this have been because >> it was cheaper? >> >> I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the subject. >> >> Thanks very much >> >> Moni >>

Hello list, Am trying to tracé my Thomas Davies, born 1846 at Llangeler, Mountain Hall. Found him in 1871 census as a boarder at 55 Hirwaun Rd., Aberdare. Working as a collier. Do not know more about him. Think he left Cardiganshire to work in the mines at Aberdare. Elwyn – Netherlands.

Dear John Lemuel Davies married Margaret Rowland on the 13th February 1829 at Llanelly. I hope that helps Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk The latest news as it happens - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news

Dear Bettye Yes you are right there is a Ffynnon Haulog, as well as the Ffynnon Helig. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk The latest news as it happens - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news

Dear Elwyn, The 1831 Land Tax records for Clydey are very difficult to read.....what appears to be Fynonhalog shows Proprietor George Bowen Esq. with George Thomas as tenant. The records finished at that date. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elwyn Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:26 AM Subject: [Dyfed] Solian Helig Clydey > Hello list, > > > > Has anybody ever come across the abode Solion Helig, Clydey Pembrokeshire. > My Evans relatives lived there in 1838. > > Baby Rachel Evans born there in that year, daughter of Timothy Evans and > Elisabeth Harries. > > > > Elwyn - Netherlands. > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

hi list, this is a new lead for me, i am loo for help in tracking down a marriage for lemuel to Mary Rowland/s in the mid 1820's or early 1830's, they are in the 1851 census with Mary's sister Ann Rowlands, the rowlands family came from Llanelly carmarthenshire. their daughter mary Rowlands Davies married David Williams thomas in 1865, they had a daughter Ann Devonald Thomas and she is listed as a cousin on my grt grandfather's obituary in 1942. john

-----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dyfed-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 1:00 AM To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 378 Please delete any irrelevant notes when replying to this digest. Today's Topics: 1. Re Thomas Evans of Llandyfriog (cardi2@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Annie, I have not requested birth certificates for Thomas because, as you already know, I could probably go through 50 before I got to the right one. I don't know to which religion they belonged, but Thomas was married in Graig Chapel in Newcastle in Emlyn, CMN. I do have ancestry.co.uk and found a Thomas, apprentice, in 1851 in Cenarth, born in Llandyfriog and have assumed it to be him. The 1861 census in which parts of the assumed family are together indicates their birthplace as Llangoedmor, the same as Benjamin, their father. Thomas' birth place is listed as Llandyfroid, but misspelled. I have made a "temporary" assumption that the information was given by someone other than the principles and they didn't know the birth place of the children. I plan to be able to ascertain Thomas' mother and probably stop my search there unless I can find data which will take me back further without the total dependence of the good people in this group. The LDS archives don't contain the data either. Thanks for your assistance. Every bit helps. Howard Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:46:47 -0500 From: cardi2@aol.com Subject: [Dyfed] Re Thomas Evans of Llandyfriog To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CC3AB6BC8BB99B-2EE4-956D@webmail-d046.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi: Have you applied for a birth certificate on Thomas Evans in Llandyfriog, CGN? Also, what religion was the family? If they were Church of England, they might be in the parish register for that parish. If someone could look that up for you (I can't), he might be listed. When Civil Registration went into effect (July 1, 1837), many of the Churches of England continue recording the baptisms and burials of their members. It's worth a gamble to look for that. IF he was a nonconformist, then just try for the birth certificate. Do you have ancestery.com? If not, is there a library nearby that does. I would check for Thoams Evans in that area for 1851 and 1861. He's probably working as a servant, shepherd, etc. for somebody else. He's probably in the same parish, so you need to look for him. children in those days weren't children. They were old before their time. For the 1841 census, he may not have been born until that year. The entry in Monmouthshire - where does it say the chldren were born? If it says Llandyfriog, its a possibility but if it only says Cardiganshire, I would run the other way. Evans is just too common of a name in Wales. I would continue looking around Llandyfriog parish and the surrounding areas for him. Don't give up. Annie Los Angeles

Dear Elwyn B G Charles in the 'Place Names of Pembrokeshire' mentions a Ffynnon Helig in Clydey. This was spelt Ffynon Helig 1820 BT's. I hope this may be of some help. Best Wishes Sylvia >----Original Message---- >From: e.schreuder7@chello.nl >Date: 23/11/2009 19:26 >To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com> >Subj: [Dyfed] Solian Helig Clydey > >Hello list, > > > >Has anybody ever come across the abode Solion Helig, Clydey Pembrokeshire. >My Evans relatives lived there in 1838. > >Baby Rachel Evans born there in that year, daughter of Timothy Evans and >Elisabeth Harries. > > > >Elwyn - Netherlands. > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk The latest news as it happens - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news

Hello list, Has anybody ever come across the abode Solion Helig, Clydey Pembrokeshire. My Evans relatives lived there in 1838. Baby Rachel Evans born there in that year, daughter of Timothy Evans and Elisabeth Harries. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi: Have you applied for a birth certificate on Thomas Evans in Llandyfriog, CGN? Also, what religion was the family? If they were Church of England, they might be in the parish register for that parish. If someone could look that up for you (I can't), he might be listed. When Civil Registration went into effect (July 1, 1837), many of the Churches of England continue recording the baptisms and burials of their members. It's worth a gamble to look for that. IF he was a nonconformist, then just try for the birth certificate. Do you have ancestery.com? If not, is there a library nearby that does. I would check for Thoams Evans in that area for 1851 and 1861. He's probably working as a servant, shepherd, etc. for somebody else. He's probably in the same parish, so you need to look for him. children in those days weren't children. They were old before their time. For the 1841 census, he may not have been born until that year. The entry in Monmouthshire - where does it say the chldren were born? If it says Llandyfriog, its a possibility but if it only says Cardiganshire, I would run the other way. Evans is just too common of a name in Wales. I would continue looking around Llandyfriog parish and the surrounding areas for him. Don't give up. Annie Los Angeles - Attached Message From: Howard <howardevans@bresnan.net> To: DYFED@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Thomas Evans c1838 Llandyfriog, Cardiganshire Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 10:35:56 -0700 Hi Folks, I need help with the subject birth record. I know for certain that his father was Benjamin, laborer (Thomas' Marriage Certificate), that he was born in Llandyfriog, and the year is fairly close based on several census records. My quandary is this: I cannot place him in a family in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses, he married in 1870 and is positively documented after that. In 1861 I believe I have him together with Benjamin and two siblings (Benjamin and Rachel) in Monmouth sire, all listed as lodgers. The siblings are indicated to be those of Benjamin, Thomas is not. Pauline Jones has helped me locate a marriage between Benjamin and Rebeccah Jones in 1829 which is suspiciously accurate (Thomas named a daughter Rebecca), but I don't feel comfortable accepting this until I can place Thomas in that family. I found record of a Bidding Letter at NLW requesting wedding gifts in the 1830 collection and learned of a new custom. Should this marriage prove out, is there a way to get a copy of the letter? Any help or suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Howard Evans Billings, MT USA