Coral, thanks for that quick reply. I do have the Salsette list and the Victorian discs. This is not my direct family, as my family were in Wales for the 1841 census. But they are similar names as we have in our family, so I'm sure they are connected. I will get to the Archives centre, hopefully soon, and view the shipping list, in the hope there is more info there. Thanks again, Coral Jen On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:18 PM, cj <loracj@westnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Jenny, > There is a Taylor family that appear they may fit on a vessel "Salsette" > 1841, I will send you a copy off list. > > Rgds Coral Jennings - Qld Australia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Jones" < > > jenali.jones@gmail.com> > > To: "Dyfed Mailing List" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:44 PM > > Subject: [Dyfed] shipping records > > > > > > My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone > >> please tell me if there > >> are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble > >> finding them from this end. > >> Thanks > >> Jenny > >> > >> ================================ > >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder if any lister can help. The above were one set of my wife's 2x gt grandparents. Charles Davies was a butcher in Milford Haven (Steynton as was). I think Mary died between the 1841 and 1851 census, because I believe Charles remarried an Eleanor Brown from Dale. Charles was born circa 1811. I am trying to trace parents of Charles and Mary, so if anyone can help I will be pleased to hear. Many thanks Henry Johnston

Thanks for the info Bettye. I seem to remember you helped me with some information a few years ago. I am searching for John Taylor and Mary Davies and family. Their son John and wife Martha, came to Australia, and settled in Vic. I've searched all the Victorian and NSW Archives with no luck. I will try State obituaries, fingers crossed. If one of them was a convict, I would be laughing, with all that info at my disposal. Jen On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:32 PM, LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Dear Jennifer, > > I could never find any shipping records for one of my families which came > out to NSW in the 1850's....I was told it was like commuters off the present > day Manly ferry......and nobody worries about their details! > > At which State did your ancestors arrive...and do you know where (which > port) they embarked/disembarked, or on which vessel? > State Libraries are often very helpful and then there are the various > Australian Archives for the various States. or those in Canberra. > > What you need is a good convict....(actually a bad convict).....the ship's > manifests are marvellous for those......incl. height, eye colour and any > identifying scars or marks including the state of their teeth if it was > relevant to their appearance. > > Try Googling a few possible sites......such as relevant State obituaries. > The family may have recorded such information as arrival details. > > Bettye Kirkwood, Sydney, Australia. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Jones" < > jenali.jones@gmail.com> > To: "Dyfed Mailing List" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] shipping records > > > My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone >> please tell me if there >> are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble >> finding them from this end. >> Thanks >> Jenny >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Dear Jennifer, I could never find any shipping records for one of my families which came out to NSW in the 1850's....I was told it was like commuters off the present day Manly ferry......and nobody worries about their details! At which State did your ancestors arrive...and do you know where (which port) they embarked/disembarked, or on which vessel? State Libraries are often very helpful and then there are the various Australian Archives for the various States. or those in Canberra. What you need is a good convict....(actually a bad convict).....the ship's manifests are marvellous for those......incl. height, eye colour and any identifying scars or marks including the state of their teeth if it was relevant to their appearance. Try Googling a few possible sites......such as relevant State obituaries. The family may have recorded such information as arrival details. Bettye Kirkwood, Sydney, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Jones" <jenali.jones@gmail.com> To: "Dyfed Mailing List" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:44 PM Subject: [Dyfed] shipping records > My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone > please tell me if there > are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble > finding them from this end. > Thanks > Jenny > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jenny, There is a Taylor family that appear they may fit on a vessel "Salsette" 1841, I will send you a copy off list. Rgds Coral Jennings - Qld Australia > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Jones" < > jenali.jones@gmail.com> > To: "Dyfed Mailing List" <Dyfed@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:44 PM > Subject: [Dyfed] shipping records > > > My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone >> please tell me if there >> are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble >> finding them from this end. >> Thanks >> Jenny >> >> ================================ >> Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone please tell me if there are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble finding them from this end. Thanks Jenny

Hello Vera Never mind the Welsh schools, what about the Americans. Are they still singing that traditional of Dyfed carols? Deck the Hall's (Nos Galan). Gareth --- On Wed, 2/12/09, vera lowe <v.lowe@btinternet.com> wrote: Do any schools in Wales still sing the traditional Welsh songs like "The Ash Grove" and "the Men of Harlech" etc. etc.? They were all in "The national Songbook" which was used by schools in my day. Vera

Hello Vera, "Is it rare?" There are a number of second hand copies for sale on www.abebooks.co.uk, but it is hard to be certain which are Royal Editions. One so advertised is on offer for £80 (from Belgium), but there may be other cheaper copies to be had if you search through. Dai vera lowe wrote: > Thanks to Anna for her reply about the National Song Book. She is younger > than me but she has a long memory. I also have a copy of The Songs of Wales > which are written in English and Welsh. It is edited by Brinley Richards and > was published in 1873 on St. David's Day according to the editor. It is a > Royal Edition dedicated by special permission to H.R.H. the Prince of Wales > which must have been the future Edward VII. Is this rare? > Vera > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear Jenny Absolutely masses - but 1841 is a bit early. Central lists of passenger emigrants do not begin until 1890. I would start/continue from the Australia end, and try and find out what boat came into Australia with whoever who are trying to trace. Once you know the name of the vessel there are other records you can then use over here. By 1841 most people were sailing from Liverpool, or sometimes London. It was becoming a well-oiled industry, especially from the industrial valleys of South Wales to the coal mines of Pennsylvania and the farming community. Depends a bit on what questions you are trying to answer - happy to discuss further either on- or offline. Brian Brian Picton Swann ISOGG Regional Co-ordinator, England & Wales -----Original Message----- From: dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dyfed-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Jones Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:44 AM To: Dyfed Mailing List Subject: [Dyfed] shipping records My family came to Australia in 1841, from Haverfordwest. Could someone please tell me if there are any shipping records available over there, as I'm having trouble finding them from this end. Thanks Jenny ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Anna for her reply about the National Song Book. She is younger than me but she has a long memory. I also have a copy of The Songs of Wales which are written in English and Welsh. It is edited by Brinley Richards and was published in 1873 on St. David's Day according to the editor. It is a Royal Edition dedicated by special permission to H.R.H. the Prince of Wales which must have been the future Edward VII. Is this rare? Vera

Hi to those who have been following this thread. Thanks to Pat's sterling detective work, we now have an answer as to why two couple's names were entered on the marriage certificate. The registrar, Edward Davies, made a mistake! He didn't score through the wrong couple's names as he should have done - if he had, there would have been no confusion. But he did mark the mistake with an error number as required, and then wrote the number as a word (seven) in the margin, authorised by his initials. So if anyone else has four people listed as brides and grooms on their marriage certificates, human error could well be the reason. I'm sure that Pat won't mind if I quote her explanation below, which was later confirmed by the local register office. So sadly Pat's couple are not related to mine, but thanks so much again, Pat, for sorting this out. With best wishes Moni >From Pat: Meanwhile I think I have just read the explanation in a letter in this month's copy of Family Tree magazine which arrived this morning. It seems my theory re an error correction could be right and the reason for the Seven is that according to the law under the registrations' Acts if an error was made before the entry had been completed by the registrar's signature then the mistake was crossed through and the correction numbered by the error and written and initialled e.g. seven ED in this case by the side. The numbering started at one or each register - so in this case this must have been the seventh error in this register. Looking again at the certificate I think it is possible that the "mark" I mentioned next to the two lines in error could possibly be 7. The rules also say the error must be underlined but as the two names are on the ruled lines on the certificate then that presumably suffices. My guess is the two wrong names were entered in the position of groom and bride and then the correct groom and bride have been entered one of top and the other below. Then the correction marks added. Dear Pat Thank you so much for clarifying all this. Shame that there is no link between your couple and mine, or exotic mystery to unravel, but it's been an interesting lesson nevertheless! The registrar, Edward Davies, could not have guessed that his lapse of concentration would cause such a stir 150 years later! No need to send me scans of anything. I'll send a note to the Dyfed list to let people know that the question has been resolved. With thanks again and best wishes Moni

Do any schools in Wales still sing the traditional Welsh songs like "The Ash Grove" and "the Men of Harlech" etc. etc.? They were all in "The national Songbook" which was used by schools in my day. Vera

For Elwyn (haven't seen a previous reply) Davies,Hannah, head,widow,60,farmer,born Manordivy, spoke welsh, ( crossed out-had 5 children 1 dead,married 36 years) Phillips, Anna Maria daughter, widow,27, dairy,born Llangoedmore, spoke welsh and english John, William, nephew,single,35,domestic servant,born Kilgerran, welsh and english Myra Heywood, Goodwick

Elwyn, This does not address your question, but do you know anything about Thomas' ancestors? I'm wondering if he descended from Zephaniah Davies who inherited Pencraig from Thomas Lewis of Llwynygrawis in 1775 and recorded it his 1792 will. His will was proved in 1806 (SD/1806/194) and his son Thomas Davies was executor. James Lloyd Hello list, Can somebody find Thomas S Davies in 1911 census at Pencraig, Llangoedmore? Do not know any info on his wife. Believe he had two sons. Elwyn - Netherlands. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:20:25 EST From: billgj@aol.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Capt William Charles. b.c. 1710 To: dyfed@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5c.15bef9f6.38458309@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello Lynne, I too have an interest in 18th century trade to Bristol - my Morgan family was based at Abercastle and sold goods as far as Newport(PEM). There is a reference in West Wales Historical Records, the 14 books mainly by Francis Green - he wrote an article about a ship's captain who left some information on his errands to Bristol in 1765. I don't exactly remember the name but I think it might have been Abel Davies. Regards Bill G-J In a message dated 30/11/2009 16:03:27 GMT Standard Time, lynnecharles7@hotmail.com writes: Good afternoon, This is a long shot, but is there anyone on this list who has any knowledge of Welsh Mariners, around the date of 1733 who may have been sailing between Welsh ports to Bristol. Regards Lynne ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:26:57 -0800 From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> Subject: [Dyfed] French & American Prisoners of War To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <67A78203617148299F9FCE049434EF8D@ljkndnjjij16ms> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mail List - Is there a list of names of the French prisoners of war that were held in Pembrokeshire in the 1760-1780's? In 1760, there were 18 French prisoners, and by 1779 there were 56 French and 37 Americans. Lynne in Tucson ------------------------------ To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to DYFED@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of DYFED Digest, Vol 4, Issue 385 *************************************

Hi Dai, Thanks very much. Andy > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:26:01 +0000 > From: daibevan@clara.co.uk > To: andrewphilpin@hotmail.co.uk > CC: dyfed@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Dyfed] (Pembs) The History of Cilgerran by John Phillips 1867 > > Andy, > There is no need for a lookup, the full book is online on Google Books: > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sIjSAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=cilgerran#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > Dai > > Andy Philpin wrote: > > Dear List, > > > > > > > > I was wondering if any of you good folks out there had a copy of the above mentioned book - The history of Cilgerran by John Phillips which was published in 1867. If anybody does I would appreciate a look up on a few people if possible. > > > > > > > > All the Best, > > > > > > > > Andy > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > > > ================================ > > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/

Andy, There is no need for a lookup, the full book is online on Google Books: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=sIjSAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=cilgerran#v=onepage&q=&f=false Dai Andy Philpin wrote: > Dear List, > > > > I was wondering if any of you good folks out there had a copy of the above mentioned book - The history of Cilgerran by John Phillips which was published in 1867. If anybody does I would appreciate a look up on a few people if possible. > > > > All the Best, > > > > Andy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Dear List, I was wondering if any of you good folks out there had a copy of the above mentioned book - The history of Cilgerran by John Phillips which was published in 1867. If anybody does I would appreciate a look up on a few people if possible. All the Best, Andy _________________________________________________________________ Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/

Hello Pat, Thanks for the prompt. I have sent pictures to the site, as you suggested. regards, Dai pat wrote: > Hello Dai > > There is a bit about him on the following website:- > > http://www.laugharnewarmemorial.co.uk/page40.htm > > It has some details about him and his death and a photo of him but > unlike other entries there is no photo the memorial so maybe you could > send a copy to > > mail@laugharnewarmemorial.co.uk > > as suggested on the home page of the site. > > I found him in 1881 but have no link to my Johns unfortunately. > > Pat > >

Hello Dai There is a bit about him on the following website:- http://www.laugharnewarmemorial.co.uk/page40.htm It has some details about him and his death and a photo of him but unlike other entries there is no photo the memorial so maybe you could send a copy to mail@laugharnewarmemorial.co.uk as suggested on the home page of the site. I found him in 1881 but have no link to my Johns unfortunately. Pat 1881 Dwelling: Glanllwchwr House Census Place: Llangennech, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342295 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5371 Folio 23 Page 39 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John JOHN M 28 M Morriston, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Teacher (Sch Jnr) Cath. JOHN M 29 F Morriston, Glamorgan, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Teacher Wife John David JOHN 4 M Llangennech, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jas.Thos. JOHN 3 M Llangennech, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Griff.B. JOHN 1 M Llangennech, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Elizabeth A. PHILLIPS 14 F Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: General Serv Domestic In message <4B14E4B6.7050308@clara.co.uk>, Dai & Angela Bevan <daibevan@clara.co.uk> writes >Does anyone claim Griffith Brynarfryn JOHN.? I have a picture of his >name on Slough War memorial, but he seems to have been born in Llanelly >District in 1879. I'd be happy to send the picture if anyone wants it. > >Dai > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Does anyone claim Griffith Brynarfryn JOHN.? I have a picture of his name on Slough War memorial, but he seems to have been born in Llanelly District in 1879. I'd be happy to send the picture if anyone wants it. Dai