Dear Michelle, Like many others, apparently, preparing for Christmas and family to be in residence.......spared a few minutes to read your message. Elizabeth, Mrs. Gough. There is a Will for an Elizabeth Gough proved at Llandyssul, Cards. in 1820 and a Martha Gough in 1838....also Thomas Gough in 1797. Looking these up on The National Library internet site, might prove interesting for you. In Major Francis Jones "Historic Cardiganshire Homes and Their Families" page 114...Ffoshelyg, Llandysul "By 25 November, 1791, Thomas Gough late of Haverfordwest, is described as "of Ffoshelyg" and in 1798 a Martha Gough is referred to as a widow living at the property. The Tithe Map of 1841 names Rees Thomas as the owner-occupier of Ffoshelyg, a holding of 232 acres." In the Wills index are Jevan Griffith ap Rees Gough, Llandissill 1628 Evan John Y Gove, Llandissill, Cards. 1628 Griffith ap Gove, Llandissiliogogo 1632 Now, I don't know a great deal about Cardiganshire, but over the years I've been intrigued by Y Gove and ap Gove........wondering if this actually means that the person named was son of the local Blacksmith, or perhaps Y Gove means of a certain place named Gove. As far as I am aware Llandysul and Llandissiliogogo are totally different areas, but do these three early Wills refer to the same place? Did the name Gough evolve from Gove...and was the family ancestor a Blacksmith? Unlike me, other Listers might be totally Christmas-oganised, and would like to discuss these items. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "fairygrandma" <fairygrandma@optusnet.com.au> To: "Wales List" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:52 PM Subject: [Dyfed] COLDSTREAM, LEWIS, SUMMERS, GOUGH, COLE, DENHAM, ROBINSON,GALE, BALL, originally from Dale, Pembrokeshire. > G'Day from Aus, > I am descended from William COLDSTREAM and Martha LEWIS who were married > 15 > Oct 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire. > > Following is the complete file of my Coldstream family. The bdm's were > generously gathered for me by a resident who lives in Dale and responded > to > a newspaper advertisment I sent out when I could not find another way of > locating information. I think she was refering to St.David's but > unfortunately she never mention the source other than saying it was from > the > local Church register. Does anyone know which Church she would have been > referring to? > > My earliest record as yet is the marriage of William Coldstream to Martha > LEWIS, 15 October 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire, Wales. > There is a house by the name of Coldstream Lodge still standing in the > village. > Children include: > Elinor, b:28 February 1753, m.Thomas BAKER, (b:Woodhorn, Northumberland); > m:8 February 1794 in Dale. > Martha, b:June 1754. > Charles, b:18 May 1756, d.1834; m.Frances SUMMERS of Haverford West, > d.1834. > Isabella, b:31 May 1758; d:10 May 1810, Bristol; m.Francis HARRIS (b:21 > March 1758 in Bristol) m.19 May 1783 in Dale and moved to Bristol, GLO. My > ancestors. > Margaret, b:March 1760. > William, b:30 March 1762. > John, b:14 July 1764. > Andrew, b: date unknown; d:10 October 1768. Andrew's information was not > on > the Church records but from a gravestone in the Church yard. > > The last date on record is from the records of Francis Green which records > the will of Charles Coldstream, 1834 and later correspondence. Amongst it > is > mention of the following persons as being related to the Coldstream > family: > Sister of the name, Mrs.GOUGH and her dau, Martha JONES.

Dear Lynne, A 1765 marriage may show witness names on the parish register marriage entry......should be available for purchase from Pemb. Records Office at Haverfordwest. It is only a guess that these marriages may have some bearing: Thomas Allen in 1739 married Lettice Harries at Llanstadwell in 1739 Richard Jones 1741 married Martha Thomas at Llanstadwell Llanstadwell may have been the bride's parish only, however, and the groom may have come from elsewhere. Unfortunately Wills don't seem to provide much help for these particular males.. There is one listed for a Catherine Allen proved at Llanstadwell in 1769 and further back in time, a David Allen proved at Llanstadwell 1610...now that you can look them up direct for The National Library of Wales, Aberystwyth on the internet, it is easy to check whether they provide any clues to your line. Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Ingalls" <Lynne.Ingalls@comcast.net> To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 10:10 AM Subject: [Dyfed] No messages > Hello List - I assume its because everyone is trying to get ready for > Christmas that there are so few new messages. So, I will take advantage > of the lull and post a query. > > A cousin recently found a marriage between Richard Allen and Dorothy Jones > at Llanstadwell, 24 Mar 1765. They were married by license. They had > children: Jane bpt. 29 Jul 1769; Diana bpt. 27 Spr 1774 at Llanstadwell; > John bapt 28 Jun 1888, and Elenor bapt. 06 Mar 1789, maybe at St. Mary's. > Dorothy was buried 17 Sep 1807, and Richard 22 Dec 1811. > Were there other children? > Any clues to the ancestry of the parents? > > Any info. greatly appreciated. A Jones? Yikes!!! > > Lynne in Tucson > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

G'Day from Aus, I am descended from William COLDSTREAM and Martha LEWIS who were married 15 Oct 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire. Following is the complete file of my Coldstream family. The bdm's were generously gathered for me by a resident who lives in Dale and responded to a newspaper advertisment I sent out when I could not find another way of locating information. I think she was refering to St.David's but unfortunately she never mention the source other than saying it was from the local Church register. Does anyone know which Church she would have been referring to? My earliest record as yet is the marriage of William Coldstream to Martha LEWIS, 15 October 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire, Wales. There is a house by the name of Coldstream Lodge still standing in the village. Children include: Elinor, b:28 February 1753, m.Thomas BAKER, (b:Woodhorn, Northumberland); m:8 February 1794 in Dale. Martha, b:June 1754. Charles, b:18 May 1756, d.1834; m.Frances SUMMERS of Haverford West, d.1834. Isabella, b:31 May 1758; d:10 May 1810, Bristol; m.Francis HARRIS (b:21 March 1758 in Bristol) m.19 May 1783 in Dale and moved to Bristol, GLO. My ancestors. Margaret, b:March 1760. William, b:30 March 1762. John, b:14 July 1764. Andrew, b: date unknown; d:10 October 1768. Andrew's information was not on the Church records but from a gravestone in the Church yard. The last date on record is from the records of Francis Green which records the will of Charles Coldstream, 1834 and later correspondence. Amongst it is mention of the following persons as being related to the Coldstream family: Sister of the name, Mrs.GOUGH and her dau, Martha JONES. Sister of the name, Mrs.COLE and her dau, Mrs.ROBINSON. Lieut.DENHAM R.N. on the Coast Surveying Service of Liverpool. Later mentioned as SIR Henry Denham, mentioned 1868 and later again as Admiral in 1869. Annesley Denham, son of Sir Henry, mentioned 1869 as being appointed Senior Lieut. of the "REVENGE" at Pembroke. Later mentioned as being in Calcutta. Henry Mangles Denham, 21 Carlton rd, Maidavale, LON. Isabella Denham, deceased. (mentioned 1869). Charles Henry Denham, his son is a civil engineer at Hourah, Calcutta. Charles Gepp ROBINSON of 12 Warwick rd, Maidavale, LON. Later mentioned as Admiral Robinson in 1869. Eleanor Robinson. Charles Geo.Robinson. Property mentioned: Farms by the name of Rippeston & Monkhill. Bridge End, Haverfordwest. Pullfine Estate. In the writings of my 2xgrt grandmother, a grandaughter of Isabella Harris nee Coldstream, she mentions: Capt.Charles Coldstream (at whose home at Dale...), he married Frances SUMMERS of Haverfordwest, (whose brothers were clergymen). Elizabeth married a Mr.GOUGH of Cardiganshire (of whom I know little.) Ellen, who married Rev.Joseph GALE of Carmarthen and had two daughters, Isabella & Ellen.... Isabella married Lieut. (now Admiral) Sir Henry Mangles DENHAM, (who is presently living at 21 Carlton Rd, Kilburn). They had 5 children: Emily who married Capt.MANGLES (who was wounded at Balaclava and served in Crimea); Louie & Sophie; Lizzie who married a Parsee Merchant of Calcutta; Charles, an engineer in India, and Annesley, Commander of a Gunboat. (Admiral DENHAM spent many years in the South Pacific...he took with him his youngest son, Fleetwood, who died at sea...He is buried at a little island, I think "Sunday Is.") Ellen married Lieut. (afterwards Rear Admiral) Charles ROBINSON...They had 10 children, five of whom died in infancy. Only one girl survived, Julia, who married Sir John Craven Carden BALL, of the Priory, Templemore. Coldstream was a Captain in the Navy. Harry & Wellesly were twin brothers, Harry was a cadet on board the "Tiger" at the time of the Crimean War, (was taken prisoner by the Russians...Admiral Robinson wrote to Duke Constantin...etc... Harry was delivered home safely.) He is now Commander Harry Robinson. Wellesley is in the Commissariat Dept. in India. Heaton went to India some years ago...returned home ill..died leaving a wife and 3 children. Any assistance as to the best place to search or contact with other researchers whose work may connect will be verily appreciated, I thank you in advance, Michelle Kahler, Nth Ipswich, Qld Aust.

Dear John Thats interesting.  I wonder why.  Perhaps related to the Ancestry growing availability, and their message boards (which I generally find very disappointing). None of the message boards, except perhaps Rootschat and Genesreunited, have satisfactory internal search mechanisms.  Also, since 2000 or thereabouts there has been a phenomenal growth in on-line data provision and accompanying chat.   Presumably if Dyfed split into three then the Cardiganshire group messages would be comparatively very very small.    Never mind... perhaps our discussions focus on Quality rather than Quantity.   Thank you also for your update photos of Christs College, Brecon.  I didn't know the chapel was dedicated to St. Nicholas, very seasonal, and beautiful photographs.   Jen   --- On Fri, 11/12/09, John Ball <john@jlb2005.plus.com> wrote: From: John Ball <john@jlb2005.plus.com> Subject: Re: [Dyfed] No messages? To: "Dyfed List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 11:21 Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> wrote: So, having nothing better to do, I made a comparative table... Glamorgan (who have a very high number of messages, but a much larger area and population; Dyfed and Powys. The list doesn't accept attachments, but those time on their hands could convert the data into a bar chart or similar. ============== Dear Jen, The number of messages on the different mailing lists is probably related to the population of the regions they cover. Glamorgan has by far the highest population; both Dyfed and Powys are low, with Powys the most sparsely populated of all the post-1974 Welsh counties. This is reflected in the traffic on the various mailing lists. It's also true that with the possible exception of the Glamorgan List, the traffic on the Welsh mailing lists is lower now than at anytime in their history. The Powys List webpage includes a bar chart illustrating the monthly traffic on the Powys List from 1998 to the present - access the chart at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm#stats The chart shows that traffic peaked in the year 2000 and has been steadily falling ever since. The Dyfed List traffic probably follows the same general pattern. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michelle Following on from Bettye:- There is a marriage of a Martha Coldstream to Thomas Gough in St Ishmaels in 1778. Also on 15 Sept 1829 in Llandyssil Cards. a Martha Gough married Rees Jones a widower of Llanarth. Looking at the 1841 census or LLandyssil there is a Rees Jones (born 1801) with a wife Martha and in 1851 Martha Jones is a widow with Landed property against occupation. This seems a good possibility to follow up. If you take Bettye's suggestion and look at the wills on the NLW site it may give more clues. If you can't access the 1841 and 1851 details I mentioned let me know and I'll send on the info. Cheers Pat In message <BDB863A16B524CFB8DEEC31545102E72@p4desktop>, LC & BJ Kirkwood <lki59595@bigpond.net.au> writes >Dear Michelle, > >Like many others, apparently, preparing for Christmas and family to be in >residence.......spared a few minutes to read your message. > >Elizabeth, Mrs. Gough. >There is a Will for an Elizabeth Gough proved at Llandyssul, Cards. in 1820 >and a Martha Gough in 1838....also Thomas Gough in 1797. >Looking these up on The National Library internet site, might prove >interesting for you. > >In Major Francis Jones "Historic Cardiganshire Homes and Their Families" >page 114...Ffoshelyg, Llandysul > >"By 25 November, 1791, Thomas Gough late of Haverfordwest, is described as >"of Ffoshelyg" and in 1798 a Martha Gough is referred to as a widow living >at the property. The Tithe Map of 1841 names Rees Thomas as the >owner-occupier of Ffoshelyg, a holding of 232 acres." > >In the Wills index are >Jevan Griffith ap Rees Gough, Llandissill 1628 >Evan John Y Gove, Llandissill, Cards. 1628 >Griffith ap Gove, Llandissiliogogo 1632 > >Now, I don't know a great deal about Cardiganshire, but over the years I've >been intrigued by Y Gove and ap Gove........wondering if this actually means >that the person named was son of the local Blacksmith, or perhaps Y Gove >means of a certain place named Gove. > >As far as I am aware Llandysul and Llandissiliogogo are totally different >areas, but do these three early Wills refer to the same place? >Did the name Gough evolve from Gove...and was the family ancestor a >Blacksmith? > >Unlike me, other Listers might be totally Christmas-oganised, and would like >to discuss these items. > >Bettye Kirkwood, Australia. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "fairygrandma" <fairygrandma@optusnet.com.au> >To: "Wales List" <DYFED@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:52 PM >Subject: [Dyfed] COLDSTREAM, LEWIS, SUMMERS, GOUGH, COLE, DENHAM, >ROBINSON,GALE, BALL, originally from Dale, Pembrokeshire. > > >> G'Day from Aus, >> I am descended from William COLDSTREAM and Martha LEWIS who were married >> 15 >> Oct 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire. >> >> Following is the complete file of my Coldstream family. The bdm's were >> generously gathered for me by a resident who lives in Dale and responded >> to >> a newspaper advertisment I sent out when I could not find another way of >> locating information. I think she was refering to St.David's but >> unfortunately she never mention the source other than saying it was from >> the >> local Church register. Does anyone know which Church she would have been >> referring to? >> >> My earliest record as yet is the marriage of William Coldstream to Martha >> LEWIS, 15 October 1751 in Dale, Pembrokeshire, Wales. >> There is a house by the name of Coldstream Lodge still standing in the >> village. >> Children include: >> Elinor, b:28 February 1753, m.Thomas BAKER, (b:Woodhorn, Northumberland); >> m:8 February 1794 in Dale. >> Martha, b:June 1754. >> Charles, b:18 May 1756, d.1834; m.Frances SUMMERS of Haverford West, >> d.1834. >> Isabella, b:31 May 1758; d:10 May 1810, Bristol; m.Francis HARRIS (b:21 >> March 1758 in Bristol) m.19 May 1783 in Dale and moved to Bristol, GLO. My >> ancestors. >> Margaret, b:March 1760. >> William, b:30 March 1762. >> John, b:14 July 1764. >> Andrew, b: date unknown; d:10 October 1768. Andrew's information was not >> on >> the Church records but from a gravestone in the Church yard. >> >> The last date on record is from the records of Francis Green which records >> the will of Charles Coldstream, 1834 and later correspondence. Amongst it >> is >> mention of the following persons as being related to the Coldstream >> family: >> Sister of the name, Mrs.GOUGH and her dau, Martha JONES. > > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> wrote: So, having nothing better to do, I made a comparative table... Glamorgan (who have a very high number of messages, but a much larger area and population; Dyfed and Powys. The list doesn't accept attachments, but those time on their hands could convert the data into a bar chart or similar. ============== Dear Jen, The number of messages on the different mailing lists is probably related to the population of the regions they cover. Glamorgan has by far the highest population; both Dyfed and Powys are low, with Powys the most sparsely populated of all the post-1974 Welsh counties. This is reflected in the traffic on the various mailing lists. It's also true that with the possible exception of the Glamorgan List, the traffic on the Welsh mailing lists is lower now than at anytime in their history. The Powys List webpage includes a bar chart illustrating the monthly traffic on the Powys List from 1998 to the present - access the chart at: www.jlb2005.plus.com/powyslist.htm#stats The chart shows that traffic peaked in the year 2000 and has been steadily falling ever since. The Dyfed List traffic probably follows the same general pattern. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

Photos of: Christ College Brecon - expanded feature Dear Listers, The latest development on my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels Collection' is a major expansion of the feature on: Christ College Chapel, Brecon There are 18 new photos depicting the interior of the chapel and include several 17th century memorial plaques (photography by John Ball), plus additional captions and notes on the history of the church. Go to www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/churches/ and search the index for the Brecon - Christ College link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

I'm still here. Just lurking, and hoping one day I will see my brick wall on the list. I'm sure everyone is busy Christmas shopping and socialising. Jen On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:38 AM, vera lowe <v.lowe@btinternet.com> wrote: > Has there been a lack of correspondence on the mailing list lately? I have > only had very few messages. > Vera. > > > > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jen, You probably already know about this website for Jewish Communities and Congregations in Wales. http://www.jewishgen.org/SIGs/JCRUK/wales_counties.htm . I ran across it while taking a genealogy course recently. I was interested in your comment about a connection between the Jewish boarding school in Landyssul and Brighton/Hove. My Davies ancestors weren't Jewish, but in 1861 my Gr. Grandfather and two of his brothers (from Tal-y-bont) were in boarding school in Brighton. I'm curious to learn more about boarding schools, how they were chosen etc. It's on my list of things to learn, when I first learn how to pack a 30 hour genealogy day into a real-time 24 hour day!! Lynne

Dear List   Apart from Christmas, today is Hannukah. So Hannukah Greetings to all.   I have a Jewish friend in Lampeter whose siblings went to a Jewish boarding school (she thinks) in Llandyssul.  Has anyone any knowledge of this, and of any 18th/19th/early 20th century (or older) Jewish people in Dyfed ?  I think this school may have had links with Brighton/Hove or Surrey coastal area as well.   Jen

Dear Vera and Jen Well we have added three to the total. I think people are just preparing for Christmas Vera. Looking at your list Jen, which I found very interesting btw, hopefully messages be back up in January. Best Wishes Sylvia ................................................................. Pembrokeshire Census, Memorials, Hearths, Orielton CD's and Baptist Sketches at www.cenquest.co.uk Get the best of the web - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/search

Hello List - I assume its because everyone is trying to get ready for Christmas that there are so few new messages. So, I will take advantage of the lull and post a query. A cousin recently found a marriage between Richard Allen and Dorothy Jones at Llanstadwell, 24 Mar 1765. They were married by license. They had children: Jane bpt. 29 Jul 1769; Diana bpt. 27 Spr 1774 at Llanstadwell; John bapt 28 Jun 1888, and Elenor bapt. 06 Mar 1789, maybe at St. Mary's. Dorothy was buried 17 Sep 1807, and Richard 22 Dec 1811. Were there other children? Any clues to the ancestry of the parents? Any info. greatly appreciated. A Jones? Yikes!!! Lynne in Tucson

Has there been a lack of correspondence on the mailing list lately? I have only had very few messages. Vera.

Dear Vera   I noticed a quiet time as well.  Perhaps peaks correspond with TV series - and troughs with big religious festivals, or big secular holidays.    So, having nothing better to do, I made a comparative table... Glamorgan (who have a very high number of messages, but a much larger area and population; Dyfed and Powys   The list doesn't accept attachments, but those time on their hands could convert the data into a bar chart or similar.  Figures show a similar drop in the other lists...  so it wasn't something we said - perhaps all the Dyfed regulars have gone on hols or a cruise ?    Comparative Figures, messages for this December 08 to December 09 ROOTS WEB Discussion Lists                  Glam.                 Dyfed.                 Powys Dec-08       505                 135                 65 Jan-09       571                 196                 98 Feb-09       393                 203                 67 Mar-09       582                 184                 128 Apr-09       435                 128                 127 May-09       371                 161                 145 Jun-09       359                 148                   83 Jul-09        410                 169                 111 Aug-09       366                 140                 130 Sep-09       355                 95                    79 Oct-09       330                 217                 61 Nov-09       536                 139                 74 Dec-09       115                     47                 15   Regards   Jen --- On Thu, 10/12/09, vera lowe <v.lowe@btinternet.com> wrote: From: vera lowe <v.lowe@btinternet.com> Subject: [Dyfed] No messages? To: "Dyfed Mailing List" <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, 10 December, 2009, 14:38 Has there been a lack of correspondence on the mailing list lately? I have only had very few messages. Vera. ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, Has somebody got access to the Llandyfriog records near 1843? Was told that Margaret Griffiths, daughter of Thomas Griffiths, farmer at Mynydd Bach got married on July 3d 1843. I only do not know who she married. Possibly at the Parish Church of Llandyfriog or at Bryngwenith, the Welsh Chapel. Hope somebody can help. Could not find Thomas Griffiths in 1841 census at Mynydd Bach. Elwyn - Netherlands.

I'd like to say a big thank you to Pat, Brian and Joan for their help and advice. I have gone from a brick wall on my own tree to lots of leads for research on the Phillips line. My husband was thrilled to read about his ancestor Thomas Owen Phillips - he's hoping his newly discovered heritage will lead to an extra helping of Welsh cakes and bara brith when he goes to his meeting in Bridgend tomorrow. Diolch yn fawr Denise ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:20:05 -0000 From: "Denise C. Lambkin" <d.c.lambkin@reading.ac.uk> Subject: [Dyfed] Pub in Prospect Place, Prendergast To: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <23A743C1AA8D3A49A71AD0DB5164CAD54560CD@VIME-VS2.rdg-home.ad.rdg.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello I'm new to this list. I've been working on my own tree for a few years, but having hit the classic brick wall I've decided to research my husband's tree. We thought all his ancestors came from Kent, but we've tracked down his g. grandmother (Ellen Phillips, b. 1862) to Prendergast, Haverfordwest. Can anyone help with identifying an inn in Prendergast, Haverfordwest? I have Thomas Owen Phillips, b. Prendergast about 1825. In the 1861 and 1871 censuses he gives is occupation as inkeeper, but I can't work out what the name of the inn is. 1861: Chelsea pensioner and innkeeper, Old Bridge, Joorite? Arms Public House, Prendergast 1871: Innkeeper, Prospect Place, Joorite? Arms, Prendergast 1881: Cabinet maker, Prospect Place, Prendergast 1891: Carpenter, Prospect Place, Prendergast 1901: Army pensioner, Prospect Place I'm guessing that, since Thomas continues to live in Prospect Place, he didn't actually move house, but just closed down the pub bit and took up carpentry. So it is unlikely that the pub still exists, but I'd love for someone to prove me wrong. Thanks Denise

Thank you Pat.  That would be the two I've been hunting down.  I actually only found them in the 1841 census together, but assumed from their ages that they would have married earlier.  I appreciate your help. Lorilee

Hello Lorilee Are you estimating the date of marriage from the ages of children? In act it looks as if your Daniel Lewis was married before as there is a marriage in Llanbadarn Treelgwys of Daniel Lewis widower of Lansantffraid to Margaret Jones on 30th June 1835. Do you think this solves the problem for you? Pat In message <874154.56434.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>, LORILEE/UN ALI <ali9642@rogers.com> writes >Hello everyone; >  Being new to the list I am hoping that someone can direct me to the >Cardiganshire Marriage list 1813 onward.   I have just viewed the Llanbadarn >Trefelgwys PRs looking for the marriage of Daniel Lewis and Margaret Jones/ >Williams about 1815.  It was a bit of a disappointment with only a few marriages >in 1799 and 1800. > >Lorilee Ali > >================================ >Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >the message -- pat

Hi Joan I only started researching my husband's tree a week ago, so I'm still in the early days. My husband's g.grandmother was Ellen Phillips, daughter of Thomas Owen Phillips. She married James Lambkin in Sittingbourne, Kent in1883. The christian name Owen is carried down the family line and was one of my father-in-law's names. I haven't sent off for any BMD certificates yet, but the only marriage I can find in the indexes for Thomas Owen Phillips is in Q3 1856 (Haverfordwest vol 11a page 956). This is a marriage to Mary Ann Jenkins. There is a marriage for Mary John to Thomas Phillips in Q4 1858 (Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a page 543). Do you have any certificates, etc to confirm that Mary John was married to Thomas Owen Phillips? Certainly the census entries tally with your info - i.e. Mary says she is born in Newport Pem. Best wishes Denise ________________________________ From: Joan Sims 1 [mailto:joan.sims1@btinternet.com] Sent: Sat 05/12/2009 16:38 To: Denise C. Lambkin; pat Cc: dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pub in Prospect Place, Prendergast Hello Pat and all, I should also love to have any information on Thomas Phillips. Thomas was injured at the Battle of Alma. He was married to Mary John sister of my gg grandfather Morris John from Newport Pem. Please contact me offlist if you would like me to send any information that I have collected. Kind regards, Joan ---- Original Message ----- From: "pat" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: "Denise C. Lambkin" <d.c.lambkin@reading.ac.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pub in Prospect Place, Prendergast > Hello Denise > > The Inn was called the Ivorites Arms - it was named after a Friendly > Society "Ivorities". > > Thomas Philips took it over in October 1856. It was located at the Old > Bridge which is included in Prendergast district in the census even > though it is down in Haverfordwest town. > > In 1868 the Inn closed and Tom Phillips moved to Cartlett and opened up > another Inn called the Ivorites Arms. It overlooked the Kilns in > Prospect Place. This area is also included in Prendergast district in > the census. > > I got most of the details from > " The Pubs of Haverfordwest Milford Haven and Mid-west Pembrokeshire" > by Keith Johnson > > where it also states that Thomas Phillips was an uncle of the > "wellknown" W.D Phillips (well-known is my comment!!!) > > Thomas Phillips was the son of James and Ann Phillips who ran the Bull > Inn in Prendergast. > This Inn is still there. > > I can send you more information off-list if you would like. > > I don't think they are linked to my Phillips family from PEM (there are > so many Phillips in Pembrokeshire) but as Haverfordwest was my hometown > I have collected lots of info about people and places. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > > In message <23A743C1AA8D3A49A71AD0DB5164CAD54560CD@VIME-VS2.rdg- > home.ad.rdg.ac.uk>, Denise C. Lambkin <d.c.lambkin@reading.ac.uk> writes >>Hello >> >>I'm new to this list. I've been working on my own tree for a few years, >>but >>having hit the classic brick wall I've decided to research my husband's >>tree. We >>thought all his ancestors came from Kent, but we've tracked down his g. >>grandmother (Ellen Phillips, b. 1862) to Prendergast, Haverfordwest. >> >>Can anyone help with identifying an inn in Prendergast, Haverfordwest? >> >>I have Thomas Owen Phillips, b. Prendergast about 1825. In the 1861 and >>1871 >>censuses he gives is occupation as inkeeper, but I can't work out what the >>name >>of the inn is. >> >>1861: Chelsea pensioner and innkeeper, Old Bridge, Joorite? Arms Public >>House, >>Prendergast >>1871: Innkeeper, Prospect Place, Joorite? Arms, Prendergast >>1881: Cabinet maker, Prospect Place, Prendergast >>1891: Carpenter, Prospect Place, Prendergast >>1901: Army pensioner, Prospect Place >> >>I'm guessing that, since Thomas continues to live in Prospect Place, he >>didn't >>actually move house, but just closed down the pub bit and took up >>carpentry. So >>it is unlikely that the pub still exists, but I'd love for someone to >>prove me >>wrong. >> >>Thanks >> >>Denise >> >>================================ >>Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of >>the message > > -- > pat > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Pat and all, I should also love to have any information on Thomas Phillips. Thomas was injured at the Battle of Alma. He was married to Mary John sister of my gg grandfather Morris John from Newport Pem. Please contact me offlist if you would like me to send any information that I have collected. Kind regards, Joan ---- Original Message ----- From: "pat" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: "Denise C. Lambkin" <d.c.lambkin@reading.ac.uk> Cc: <dyfed@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Pub in Prospect Place, Prendergast > Hello Denise > > The Inn was called the Ivorites Arms - it was named after a Friendly > Society "Ivorities". > > Thomas Philips took it over in October 1856. It was located at the Old > Bridge which is included in Prendergast district in the census even > though it is down in Haverfordwest town. > > In 1868 the Inn closed and Tom Phillips moved to Cartlett and opened up > another Inn called the Ivorites Arms. It overlooked the Kilns in > Prospect Place. This area is also included in Prendergast district in > the census. > > I got most of the details from > " The Pubs of Haverfordwest Milford Haven and Mid-west Pembrokeshire" > by Keith Johnson > > where it also states that Thomas Phillips was an uncle of the > "wellknown" W.D Phillips (well-known is my comment!!!) > > Thomas Phillips was the son of James and Ann Phillips who ran the Bull > Inn in Prendergast. > This Inn is still there. > > I can send you more information off-list if you would like. > > I don't think they are linked to my Phillips family from PEM (there are > so many Phillips in Pembrokeshire) but as Haverfordwest was my hometown > I have collected lots of info about people and places. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > > In message <23A743C1AA8D3A49A71AD0DB5164CAD54560CD@VIME-VS2.rdg- > home.ad.rdg.ac.uk>, Denise C. Lambkin <d.c.lambkin@reading.ac.uk> writes >>Hello >> >>I'm new to this list. I've been working on my own tree for a few years, >>but >>having hit the classic brick wall I've decided to research my husband's >>tree. We >>thought all his ancestors came from Kent, but we've tracked down his g. >>grandmother (Ellen Phillips, b. 1862) to Prendergast, Haverfordwest. >> >>Can anyone help with identifying an inn in Prendergast, Haverfordwest? >> >>I have Thomas Owen Phillips, b. Prendergast about 1825. In the 1861 and >>1871 >>censuses he gives is occupation as inkeeper, but I can't work out what the >>name >>of the inn is. >> >>1861: Chelsea pensioner and innkeeper, Old Bridge, Joorite? Arms Public >>House, >>Prendergast >>1871: Innkeeper, Prospect Place, Joorite? Arms, Prendergast >>1881: Cabinet maker, Prospect Place, Prendergast >>1891: Carpenter, Prospect Place, Prendergast >>1901: Army pensioner, Prospect Place >> >>I'm guessing that, since Thomas continues to live in Prospect Place, he >>didn't >>actually move house, but just closed down the pub bit and took up >>carpentry. So >>it is unlikely that the pub still exists, but I'd love for someone to >>prove me >>wrong. >> >>Thanks >> >>Denise >> >>================================ >>Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>DYFED-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of >>the message > > -- > pat > > ================================ > Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >